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DorianSmith
05-16-2007, 01:01 AM
What are some the DE prospects for this years Draft!


Some i already know:
Calais Champbell
Chris Long
Louis Holmes
Quetin Groves
Tyson Jackson
Darrell Robertson
Tommy Blake
Dorian Smith
Jeff Van Orsow
Chase Ortiz
Joe Rudulph
.................................

-black
05-16-2007, 01:08 AM
Derrick Harvey
Gholston
Lawrence Jackson
Matt Shaughnesy
Chris Harrington
Bruce Davis
Chris Ellis

if i think of some more i'll let u know

fenikz
05-16-2007, 05:37 AM
not necessarily Pro DE prospects

Kenny Iwebema - Iowa
Bryan Mattison - Iowa
Wallace Gilberry - Alabama
Phillip Merling - Clemson
Ian Campbell - Kansas St
Larry English - Northern Illinois
Lawrence Wilson - Ohio St
Ben Calderwood - Utah State
Corey Wootten - Northwestern
Tyler Clutts - Fresno St

supermario86
05-16-2007, 05:57 AM
Calais Cambell will dominate

Mr. Stiller
05-16-2007, 06:33 AM
DE:

1. Lawrence Jackson, Southern California (3-4 OLB)
2. Chris Long, Virginia ( 3-4 DE)
3. Chris Ellis, Virginia Tech ( 3-4 OLB)
4. Bruce Davis, UCLA ( 3-4 OLB)
5. Tommy Blake, Texas-Christian ( 3-4 OLB)
6. Quentin Groves, Auburn( 3-4 OLB)
7. Kendall Langford, Hampton (3-4 DE)
8. Kenny Iwebema, Iowa( 3-4 OLB)
9. Louis Holmes, Arizona ( 3-4 OLB)
10. Wallace Gilberry, Alabama( 3-4 OLB)
11. Chase Ortiz, Texas-Christian( 3-4 OLB)
12. Alex Boston, Florida State ( 3-4 OLB)
13. Greyson Gunheim, Washington( 3-4 OLB)
14. Dexter Manley, Oregon( 3-4 OLB)
15. Chris Harrington, Texas A&M( 3-4 OLB)

Top Juniors

1. Tyson Jackson, Louisiana State (3-4 DE)
2. Calais Campbell, Miami (4-3 DE (6'8 268lbs))
3. Vernon Gholston, Ohio State( 3-4 OLB)
4. Derrick Harvey, Florida( 3-4 OLB)
5. Brian Orakpo, Texas( 3-4 OLB)

Paranoidmoonduck
05-16-2007, 10:37 AM
I think you made more than a few stretches for the 3-4 defense. About half those seniors, if not more, are better suited for the 4-3, and there is no way someone sticks Tyson Jackson at 3-4 DE.

P-L
05-16-2007, 11:47 AM
I think you made more than a few stretches for the 3-4 defense. About half those seniors, if not more, are better suited for the 4-3, and there is no way someone sticks Tyson Jackson at 3-4 DE.

I agree. Jackson has ideal size for a 3-4 DE, but his pass rushing skills would be wasted at the position.

Vikes99ej
05-16-2007, 11:50 AM
I think you made more than a few stretches for the 3-4 defense. About half those seniors, if not more, are better suited for the 4-3, and there is no way someone sticks Tyson Jackson at 3-4 DE.

Yeah, I like how only one of those prospects is listed as being fit for the 4-3 scheme. Gholston and Ellis are the only real 3-4 OLB threats I can think of.

TPFKA#1SaintsFan
05-16-2007, 11:51 AM
I agree. Jackson has ideal size for a 3-4 DE, but his pass rushing skills would be wasted at the position.

You could have said the same about Marcus Spears.

Jackson is going to be the Adam Carriker of next year's draft. Whether he plays DE in a 3-4 or a 4-3 all depends on which team drafts him. He can play both, and play them well. As of now, he's probably around the 4th or 5th best 4-3 DE prospect, and he's the #1 3-4 DE prospect in 2008 (if he declares).

stephenson86
05-16-2007, 01:48 PM
im huge on lawrence jackson

draftguru151
05-16-2007, 02:16 PM
You could have said the same about Marcus Spears.

Jackson is going to be the Adam Carriker of next year's draft. Whether he plays DE in a 3-4 or a 4-3 all depends on which team drafts him. He can play both, and play them well. As of now, he's probably around the 4th or 5th best 4-3 DE prospect, and he's the #1 3-4 DE prospect in 2008 (if he declares).

Chris Long says hello.

TPFKA#1SaintsFan
05-16-2007, 02:22 PM
Chris Long says hello.

It's debatable. They're 1 and 2.

SeanTaylorRIP
05-16-2007, 02:30 PM
Chris Long is more animalistic than Adam Carriker. If Crissy was not at UVA he would be getting top DE talk, but by ends year all of you will be on the bandwagon I'm sure.

draftguru151
05-16-2007, 02:32 PM
Chris Long is more animalistic than Adam Carriker. If Crissy was not at UVA he would be getting top DE talk, but by ends year all of you will be on the bandwagon I'm sure.

I was referring more to the 3-4 DE talk. I like Long sooo much more than Carriker btw.

22,895
05-16-2007, 02:33 PM
Low Jack at USC is the best.

Phrost
05-16-2007, 02:40 PM
Low Jack at USC is the best.

I think he is almost the surest thing. He is a gamer for sure.

OhioState
05-16-2007, 03:36 PM
just watch Vernon Gholston next year, he is going to be sick. I also like Chris Long because he really doesn't get the attention at Virginia but is talented enought to be dominant in any conference on any team

Michigan
05-16-2007, 06:07 PM
i like both of the ohio state de's. gholston is easily the top 3-4 olb prospect at this point and i think lawrence wilson will explode this year (judging by spring rumors). he has prototypical size (6'6 270) and speed (~4.7). i'd be real happy as a wolverines fan if both declared after this year.

critesy
05-16-2007, 07:26 PM
6. Quentin Groves will be amazing for 3-4 team, amazing.

-black
05-16-2007, 08:05 PM
Chris Long is a monster. Just rewatched tape of FSU vs Virginia last year. Although we handled them pretty easily Chris Long was single handidly DOMINATING. I'm basically as high on him as I am on Calias, tho Calias is more of a pass rush threat. I liked Carriker alot, but Long is better. Takes on double teams like its nothing

Paranoidmoonduck
05-16-2007, 08:28 PM
I was referring more to the 3-4 DE talk. I like Long sooo much more than Carriker btw.

I need to watch more of Long, but I as of right now I like Carriker more. I see the frame to hold more weight in Carriker and I see more upper body strength. Carriker is certainly more proven as a pass rusher, although it's hard to hold that against Long due to the scheme he played in.

As a 3-4 DE I think they're about even, but until I know Long can move inside successfully, I like Carriker more.

DorianSmith
05-16-2007, 08:33 PM
My rankings as of now:
1.Chris Long
2.Tyson Jackson
3.Lawerance Jackson
4.Louis Holmes
5.Calaias Champbell
6.Quetin Groves
7.Derrick Havery
8.Veron Gholston
9.Bruce Davis
10.Tommy Blake
11.Tyler Clutts
12.Darrell Robertson
13.Kenny Iwbeama
14.Wallace Gillberry
15.Brayan Mattison
16.Jeff Van Orsow
17.Chase Ortiz
18.Alex Boston
19.Dorian Smith
20.Kendal Langford
21.Grayson Gunheim
22.Chris Harrington
23.Chris Ellis
24.Joe Ruduloph
25.Dexter Manely

Tell me any to add on

rainbeaukid2
05-16-2007, 08:42 PM
this year i cant wait to see these guys if the niners are in need of anymore defenders

chris long(3-4 DE)
vernon gholston(3-4 OLB)
brian cushing(3-4 OLB)

DorianSmith
05-16-2007, 08:51 PM
i want the raiders to get Gholston

HuskerNation
05-16-2007, 09:00 PM
Cushing = Merriman 2.0

rainbeaukid2
05-16-2007, 10:30 PM
Cushing = Merriman 2.0

which is why i want him

Paranoidmoonduck
05-17-2007, 02:16 AM
Isn't Cushing 235 pounds? That's hardly comparable to Merrimen.

reese
05-17-2007, 02:19 AM
its weird after our recent history with DEs that UGA doesnt have a single DE that anyone outside of georgia knows

reese
05-17-2007, 02:20 AM
Isn't Cushing 235 pounds? That's hardly comparable to Merrimen.

yea merrimen is more like 275 right?

ToldLikeItIs
05-17-2007, 03:01 AM
No one = Merriman 2.0

Cushing = Demarcus Ware / 2

Paranoidmoonduck
05-17-2007, 03:19 AM
I don't think Cushing is an NFL 3-4 OLB to start with. Just because he played defensive end in USC's Tampa 2 and played 3-4 OLB in their scheme last year doesn't mean he is the best fit for that in the NFL. He's a very impressive linebacker, but he doesn't suffer for support, and I don't believe has has nearly enough size to play rushing linebacker at the next level.

Then again, it would appear he has the frame to pack on some pounds, but even then, will he ever weigh much more than 245 or so? I don't think he is Manny Lawson, and those concerns are still very prevalant with Lawson.

draftguru151
05-17-2007, 08:14 AM
I think Cushing could play as a SLB in a 3-4, but he is nowhere near Merriman and not like him at all.

As for the Long/Carriker stuff, Carriker has more "potential" just because his size/speed combo. But on the field I like what I see so much more from Long than Carriker.

Woody56
05-17-2007, 08:30 AM
don't know much about him, but Matt Shaughnessy from Wisconsin is getting a lot of hype.

Sniper
05-17-2007, 09:50 AM
Shawn Crable of Michigan could be another. He's a great fit at OLB in a 3-4

giant73zuma
05-17-2007, 12:09 PM
I think cushing would be a really good SAM in either a 3-4 or a 4-3
I think of him as being like a bobby carpenter

ps i heard cushing benched 35 reps with 225 during spring practice

HuskerNation
05-17-2007, 03:09 PM
LOL, Cushing played at around 250 all of last year. Merriman came into the league around the same weight. It's a very simple comparison.

draftguru151
05-17-2007, 03:15 PM
Merriman was 272 coming out. Where is Cushing listed at 250?

Their playing styles aren't similar either.

marks01234
05-17-2007, 04:15 PM
I don't think Cushing is an NFL 3-4 OLB to start with. Just because he played defensive end in USC's Tampa 2 and played 3-4 OLB in their scheme last year doesn't mean he is the best fit for that in the NFL. He's a very impressive linebacker, but he doesn't suffer for support, and I don't believe has has nearly enough size to play rushing linebacker at the next level.

Then again, it would appear he has the frame to pack on some pounds, but even then, will he ever weigh much more than 245 or so? I don't think he is Manny Lawson, and those concerns are still very prevalant with Lawson.

It depends on your 3-4 scheme. He reminds me in a lot of ways of Joey Porter.

Your right in the sense that he wouldn't be an ideal fit as a 3-4 rush backer in the mold of Meriman or Willie McGinist.

I like him any way you look at it. I think he could easily get up to 260.

marks01234
05-17-2007, 04:17 PM
I think Cushing could play as a SLB in a 3-4, but he is nowhere near Merriman and not like him at all.

As for the Long/Carriker stuff, Carriker has more "potential" just because his size/speed combo. But on the field I like what I see so much more from Long than Carriker.

Double post here just because I wanted to quote both people.

I agree you assessment of Long/Carriker. Long is going to enter the NFL as the most advanced 3-4 lineman ever. However, I'm not sure his potential on the next level as all that great. He's not huge by any stretch and will not be nearly as effective bull rushing the pros. I still love him as a late first - early second rounder though.

giant73zuma
05-17-2007, 04:24 PM
If chris long can get up to 290-295 range and maintain his level of play, i think he would make a great undertackle

HuskerNation
05-18-2007, 12:39 AM
Merriman was 272 coming out. Where is Cushing listed at 250?

Their playing styles aren't similar either.

I dont think so smart guy! http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/2005/merriman_shawne

Merriman came in at 253. It was well documented that Cushing put on 15 pounds last season when he moved to DE. He has since lost some of it, but could gain it back very easily. And they are both excellent 3-4 OLB prospects.

Turbeauxdog
05-18-2007, 09:20 AM
The only comparison between Cushing and Merriman is both are on roids.

portermvp84
05-18-2007, 01:58 PM
Kenny Iwubeama and Bryan Madison make a great tandum.

draftguru151
05-18-2007, 02:25 PM
I dont think so smart guy! http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/2005/merriman_shawne

Merriman came in at 253. It was well documented that Cushing put on 15 pounds last season when he moved to DE. He has since lost some of it, but could gain it back very easily. And they are both excellent 3-4 OLB prospects.

http://web.archive.org/web/20050518021226/www.nfldraftcountdown.com/playerprofiles/de/shawnemerriman.html

Weight: 272

http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/profile.php?pyid=10961

Weight:272

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4196/is_20050301/ai_n11839185

Maryland's Shawne Merriman (6-4, 272)
He weighted 272 pounds before the draft.

And if it is so well documented that he gained that weight please provide some sort of evidence of it. Not saying you're wrong, but without any proof it's just you talking.

And your rep does nothing, so stop wasting your time.

Acreboy
05-18-2007, 02:30 PM
Top Juniors

1. Tyson Jackson, Louisiana State (3-4 DE)
2. Calais Campbell, Miami (4-3 DE (6'8 268lbs))
3. Vernon Gholston, Ohio State( 3-4 OLB)
4. Derrick Harvey, Florida( 3-4 OLB)
5. Brian Orakpo, Texas( 3-4 OLB)

LSU runs a 4-3. I think Jackson's a 4-3 DE.

draftguru151
05-18-2007, 02:31 PM
LSU runs a 4-3. I think Jackson's a 4-3 DE.

I think he is just saying that those are their alternate positions, could be wrong though.

elway777
05-19-2007, 02:04 PM
DE:

1. Lawrence Jackson, Southern California (3-4 OLB)
2. Chris Long, Virginia ( 3-4 DE)
3. Chris Ellis, Virginia Tech ( 3-4 OLB)
4. Bruce Davis, UCLA ( 3-4 OLB)
5. Tommy Blake, Texas-Christian ( 3-4 OLB)
6. Quentin Groves, Auburn( 3-4 OLB)
7. Kendall Langford, Hampton (3-4 DE)
8. Kenny Iwebema, Iowa( 3-4 OLB)
9. Louis Holmes, Arizona ( 3-4 OLB)
10. Wallace Gilberry, Alabama( 3-4 OLB)
11. Chase Ortiz, Texas-Christian( 3-4 OLB)
12. Alex Boston, Florida State ( 3-4 OLB)
13. Greyson Gunheim, Washington( 3-4 OLB)
14. Dexter Manley, Oregon( 3-4 OLB)
15. Chris Harrington, Texas A&M( 3-4 OLB)

Top Juniors

1. Tyson Jackson, Louisiana State (3-4 DE)
2. Calais Campbell, Miami (4-3 DE (6'8 268lbs))
3. Vernon Gholston, Ohio State( 3-4 OLB)
4. Derrick Harvey, Florida( 3-4 OLB)
5. Brian Orakpo, Texas( 3-4 OLB)

Lawrence Jackson is pushing 276 pounds, he's not a OLB in any regards.

Oh yeah, and Brian Cushing is 245 pounds btw. The only thing Merrimen and him have in comparison is the intensity they both play with.