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LitoSheppard
05-16-2007, 07:10 AM
Who is the most overated player on the Eagles, and most underated?
I'd have to go with..

Overated: Jevon Kearse


Underated: Jamal Jackson

bsaza2358
05-16-2007, 08:29 AM
Good topic, Lito. I dig.

Overrated: Trotter--I said this last year. He's just not very good anymore.

Underrated: Considine--I'm not saying he's good, but people treat him like an organizational pariah, when he's a passable safety. I want to give him another season.

Sniper
05-16-2007, 12:57 PM
Overrated: Hank Baskett I like the guy, but one play and people are forgetting he isn't that good. LJ Smith. Could he be a worse blocker?

Underrated: Jason Avant. Sure, he isn't very fast. But once he gets more time he will prove to be a very good 3rd receiver with good hands.
Jamaal Jackson is another one who flies under the radar.

Go_Eagles77
05-16-2007, 01:44 PM
Overrated - Trotter, not much left in the tank.
Underrated - J. Jackson, he was probably our 2nd best OL last year, and that's saying something.

Neo
05-16-2007, 02:42 PM
Overrated Trot
Underrated Considine (remember he got the job from michael lewis whom many of you like, and above Q, who it has been known for a while the eagles really like, he is going to be a great fit at SS this yera with the beefed up LB core.)

eaglesalltheway
05-16-2007, 07:50 PM
Good topic, Lito. I dig.

Overrated: Trotter--I said this last year. He's just not very good anymore.

Underrated: Considine--I'm not saying he's good, but people treat him like an organizational pariah, when he's a passable safety. I want to give him another season.

I agree with both. But I will say that Considine is good. I have been looking at some of last year's games, and he only played poorly in two regular season games and the game in the playoffs against the Saints, and even in that one he wasn't horrible, he just got run over a few times, and it will happen when you are facing a guy like the Saints have. (Can't remember his name right now, but I know its up there somewhere.) He didn't give up one passing TD all season, and that is saying something. Once he makes the switch to FS, he will be a very good FS.

jonbrodo17
05-16-2007, 08:09 PM
Deuce Mcallister

Overated-LJ Smith
-he can't block and a TE should be great in our kinda offense and hes OK

Underated-Jon Runyan
-people said that he was getting pushed out and if we got LeCharles Bentley he wouldn't be an eagle but he is still very good (he man-handled Peppers last year)

DorianSmith
05-16-2007, 08:48 PM
r u shiting me jevon kearse overrated haha

cunningham06
05-16-2007, 09:34 PM
Deuce Mcallister

Overated-LJ Smith
-he can't block and a TE should be great in our kinda offense and hes OK

Underated-Jon Runyan
-people said that he was getting pushed out and if we got LeCharles Bentley he wouldn't be an eagle but he is still very good (he man-handled Peppers last year)

Runyan was holding Peppers and cheating all game. But that's why he's good he's a vet and knows how to do that without being blatantly obvious and gets away with it. That's what I love about Runyan.

Overrated: Trotter he's the only choice here IMO.
Underrated: Jamaal Jackson he doesn't get nearly enough respect, I think he's the best center in our division.

HEISMANHERSCHEL
05-16-2007, 11:35 PM
Trotter. Good at some things, really bad at others.

But my team has a linebacker with the same problem.

reese
05-17-2007, 02:25 AM
j. kearse overrated? r u serious? if ur gonna say that then please back it up with somethin

Neo
05-17-2007, 04:21 AM
j. kearse overrated? r u serious? if ur gonna say that then please back it up with somethin

His Mike Mumula like production in philadelphia?

To be honest with you i think kearse does well and individual defensive statistics are overrated *for example i think he played great in 2004 dispite not having the greatest of numbers, the team was getting a ton of sacks and he can be credited for getting pressure helping colaspe the pocket etc. But he has a very good case for labeling him as overrated

eaglesalltheway
05-17-2007, 06:15 AM
Runyan was holding Peppers and cheating all game. But that's why he's good he's a vet and knows how to do that without being blatantly obvious and gets away with it. That's what I love about Runyan.

Overrated: Trotter he's the only choice here IMO.
Underrated: Jamaal Jackson he doesn't get nearly enough respect, I think he's the best center in our division.

He is easily the best center in the division, and may develop further into a Pro-Bowler.

LitoSheppard
05-17-2007, 07:07 AM
Overrated: Hank Baskett I like the guy, but one play and people are forgetting he isn't that good. LJ Smith. Could he be a worse blocker?

Underrated: Jason Avant. Sure, he isn't very fast. But once he gets more time he will prove to be a very good 3rd receiver with good hands.
Jamaal Jackson is another one who flies under the radar.

He didn't just have on big play dude he contributed in many games and had 2 200 yard recieving games i think? I'm prolly wrong on that but he was in hundreds in 2 games..every game that he caught more then 3 passes he had over a hundred yards..

LitoSheppard
05-17-2007, 07:11 AM
Good topic, Lito. I dig.

Overrated: Trotter--I said this last year. He's just not very good anymore.

Underrated: Considine--I'm not saying he's good, but people treat him like an organizational pariah, when he's a passable safety. I want to give him another season.

Well I'll say he's good, he is, he had a good year and didn't give up alot of big plays..it seems like once he got ran over (Only happened once) then he suddenly got labeled as sucking..(Deuce ran him over)..
IMO he has good coverge skills and really improved tackling twoards the end of the season.

Also Jamal Jackson was snubbed out of the pro bowl this year, I belive he blocks much better in zone coverge then Hank Fraley as well correct?

Sniper
05-17-2007, 09:11 AM
He didn't just have on big play dude he contributed in many games and had 2 200 yard recieving games i think? I'm prolly wrong on that but he was in hundreds in 2 games..every game that he caught more then 3 passes he had over a hundred yards..

He had 2 hundred yard games. 3/112/1 vs. Dallas in the 38-24 win, and 7/177/1 vs. the Falcons in the last game of the year. Your 3 reception point is accurate, but he's gotta get open more consistently

bsaza2358
05-17-2007, 10:46 AM
j. kearse overrated? r u serious? if ur gonna say that then please back it up with somethin

Look at Kearse's numbers. Look at his salary. Look at his age and the fact that he's coming off knee surgery. He's overrated right now until he helps the Eagles get a 5-6 sack game against Green Bay in Week 1.

bsaza2358
05-17-2007, 10:49 AM
Baskett is a good secondary and 3/4 WR package guy, but he's not a full time starter in the NFL yet. I love that he's on my team, and he's made some great plays, but the guy has a lot of room to get better. I don't know if he's overrated. I think he's rated properly. No one is clammoring for him to be the #1, and no one expects more than 40-45 catches next season.

Neo
05-17-2007, 01:42 PM
He had 2 hundred yard games. 3/112/1 vs. Dallas in the 38-24 win, and 7/177/1 vs. the Falcons in the last game of the year. Your 3 reception point is accurate, but he's gotta get open more consistently

Have people overrated Hank? i was not aware. He is full of potential now, and he should be a solid 3 and of course his physical skills can project to a #1 but i dont think anybody is expecting 1000 yards out of the guy. The only rookie WR to come in and have better #'s than the undrafted Hank Baskett was Reggie Brown... so make what you want of it.

Eaglez.Fan
05-17-2007, 02:18 PM
Underrated- DONOVAN MCNABB

This guy is still a pro-bowl QB who can make every single throw on the feild. He better stay atleast 3-4 more years baring injury. I don't know why some of you guys want him out. C'mon.

Black Majic
05-17-2007, 02:22 PM
How is Kearse overrated when no one thinks his game was what it used to be. I thought overrated meant people hype him all the time.(Thats not happen'n) I think he's underrated. Look at our D the first few games. Tell me he's not a playmaker. Overrated is Cole. Basically a one way player. Please dont argue with this. Even he claims he's a pass rusher

bsaza2358
05-17-2007, 02:31 PM
How is Kearse overrated when no one thinks his game was what it used to be. I thought overrated meant people hype him all the time.(Thats not happen'n) I think he's underrated. Look at our D the first few games. Tell me he's not a playmaker. Overrated is Cole. Basically a one way player. Please dont argue with this. Even he claims he's a pass rusher

You make an excellent point about Cole. I will admit that his contract extension is a perfect fit for a situational pass rusher. I think he's a poor man's Derrick Burgess.

bsaza2358
05-17-2007, 02:34 PM
Underrated- DONOVAN MCNABB

This guy is still a pro-bowl QB who can make every single throw on the feild. He better stay atleast 3-4 more years baring injury. I don't know why some of you guys want him out. C'mon.

I don't think anyone is calling for McNabb to be out of a job or out of Philly. We're looking at reality. McNabb is 31 and has finished 3 of the last 5 seasons on IR. He's coming off his most serious injury yet. Most people aren't pushing McNabb out the door, but the idea that there could be continuity and limited growing pains when McNabb is done is a comforting thought.

Eaglez.Fan
05-17-2007, 07:52 PM
True, but some eagle fans on this board are already calling for it to happen.

cunningham06
05-17-2007, 08:09 PM
Well I'll say he's good, he is, he had a good year and didn't give up alot of big plays..it seems like once he got ran over (Only happened once) then he suddenly got labeled as sucking..(Deuce ran him over)..
IMO he has good coverge skills and really improved tackling twoards the end of the season.

Also Jamal Jackson was snubbed out of the pro bowl this year, I belive he blocks much better in zone coverge then Hank Fraley as well correct?

It's not that Considine gets run over all the time. His tackling ability does need work, but he doesn't take it to the RB quickly enough. Considine doesn't stuff the run at the LOS like Lewis was able to, hopefully this will change now that Considine has more experience he will diagnose run plays more quickly.

cunningham06
05-17-2007, 08:10 PM
True, but some eagle fans on this board are already calling for it to happen.

Just LitoSheppard.

bsaza2358
05-18-2007, 08:42 AM
Lito doesn't = some. Lito = guy with interesting views who sometimes sticks aroudn to defend them.

LitoSheppard
05-18-2007, 11:54 PM
Kolb to me, will play much how Jeff Garcia played for us last season, not chucking it deep and praying for big stats like DMAC but checking down, using short, acurte, high percentege passes, and most importantly, moving the chains. He also has the ability to scramble for thoughs yards..

Considine isn't a great tackler I'll admit it, he is better suited for the FS role, why not Dawkins at SS and Considine at FS

brat316
05-19-2007, 12:57 AM
You guys knotice how all of McNabbs back ups are all west coast only players except Holcomb

Gracia couldn't do much else other than westcoast, A.J. tried and realized his is only good for Westcoast as well.
Houston has played West all his life also



Underrated: Brown
Overrated: Basket

jonbrodo17
05-19-2007, 09:03 AM
i don't know how basket is overrated, nobody is saying that he will have 60 cathches and 700 yards, do u mean people think that his ceiling is higher than it really is?

Go_Eagles77
05-19-2007, 12:00 PM
Kolb to me, will play much how Jeff Garcia played for us last season, not chucking it deep and praying for big stats like DMAC but checking down, using short, acurte, high percentege passes, and most importantly, moving the chains. He also has the ability to scramble for thoughs yards..

Considine isn't a great tackler I'll admit it, he is better suited for the FS role, why not Dawkins at SS and Considine at FS

I like Kolb, and think he could be a very solid QB for us some day (pretty much based on nothing), but if you think he could be a better QB than McNabb you are delusional, McNabb is a perennial pro-bowler who has been mentioned in some HOF discussions. You must have not seen the post- Cunningham, pre- McNabb era of Eagles QBs, or you would have a lot more respect for Donovan.

Sniper
05-19-2007, 01:32 PM
Kolb to me, will play much how Jeff Garcia played for us last season, not chucking it deep and praying for big stats like DMAC but checking down, using short, acurte, high percentege passes, and most importantly, moving the chains. He also has the ability to scramble for thoughs yards..

Considine isn't a great tackler I'll admit it, he is better suited for the FS role, why not Dawkins at SS and Considine at FS

Other than the fact that Dawkins is arguably the best FS in the league right now? Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm I don't know ;)

jonbrodo17
05-19-2007, 02:14 PM
They do things with Dawkins that some teams do with their SS ie: putting him on the TE and playing the run

cunningham06
05-19-2007, 05:23 PM
Kolb to me, will play much how Jeff Garcia played for us last season, not chucking it deep and praying for big stats like DMAC but checking down, using short, acurte, high percentege passes, and most importantly, moving the chains. He also has the ability to scramble for thoughs yards..

Considine isn't a great tackler I'll admit it, he is better suited for the FS role, why not Dawkins at SS and Considine at FS

Dawkins could play SS, but in our defense that would be wasting his ability. Strong safeties in our system play inside the box a lot of the time. Dawkins is great in run support, but is better when he is able to free-lance. If we were to play Dawkins at SS who would we get to play center field while he's supporting the run who could be even close to as effective as Dawkins? Plus he's a little on the light side to play as an in-the-box SS.

brat316
05-20-2007, 11:40 PM
Thats one thing i am worried about when Dawk leaves who do we have that is fast at Safety that can Free lance like him. No one maybe Considine

LitoSheppard
05-20-2007, 11:46 PM
Thats one thing i am worried about when Dawk leaves who do we have that is fast at Safety that can Free lance like him. No one maybe Considine

Mikel is a beast..:)

LitoSheppard
05-20-2007, 11:47 PM
You guys knotice how all of McNabbs back ups are all west coast only players except Holcomb

Gracia couldn't do much else other than westcoast, A.J. tried and realized his is only good for Westcoast as well.
Houston has played West all his life also



Underrated: Brown
Overrated: Basket

Brown is actully reconized, Basket isn't He is never mentioned execpt by Eagle fans..

Creek
05-21-2007, 08:35 PM
Either I severely overrate Westbrook or I think all non-Eagle fans underrate him.

Overrated: Is it weird I'm having a really hard time picking someone? I guess I have to go with Trot just because he's worn down, but it's not his fault.

Underrated: Mikell. Had a great game against Dallas, coming up with the goal line stop. Really won me over. Also, David Akers. Not as good as he was a few years ago, but we've had a dependable kicker for about 10 years now. That just about never happens in the NFL. And how about him gutting it out against Oakland to make that amazing game winning field goal? And picking a fight on the Giants sideline? He's so awesome.

cunningham06
05-22-2007, 01:20 AM
I agree with Mikell, he's a great ST'er and a dependable backup at safety.

LitoSheppard
05-22-2007, 10:21 AM
Either I severely overrate Westbrook or I think all non-Eagle fans underrate him.



No dude he really is a beast, it pisess me off that everyone besides eagle fans only think he is a good WR..ugh...heres a crazy video when i forget how good he is i play this to remind to to apreciate him..he is the best Westcoast RB and i would make the list..
1.LT
2.Westbrook
3.Steven Jackson

LitoSheppard
05-22-2007, 10:23 AM
Either I severely overrate Westbrook or I think all non-Eagle fans underrate him.

Overrated: Is it weird I'm having a really hard time picking someone? I guess I have to go with Trot just because he's worn down, but it's not his fault.

Underrated: Mikell. Had a great game against Dallas, coming up with the goal line stop. Really won me over. Also, David Akers. Not as good as he was a few years ago, but we've had a dependable kicker for about 10 years now. That just about never happens in the NFL. And how about him gutting it out against Oakland to make that amazing game winning field goal? And picking a fight on the Giants sideline? He's so awesome.

Yeah Akers is a badass, i loved when he picked a fight with like 2 or 3 Giants linebackers..lmao.. hes not scared of anyone..

eaglesalltheway
05-27-2007, 08:05 PM
No dude he really is a beast, it pisess me off that everyone besides eagle fans only think he is a good WR..ugh...heres a crazy video when i forget how good he is i play this to remind to to apreciate him..he is the best Westcoast RB and i would make the list..
1.LT
2.Westbrook
3.Steven Jackson

He is the best RB for the West Coast System, but there are two RBs I would take over him in LT and Larry Johnson, but Westbrook is pretty even with Johnson if you ask me. If you want to go with versatility, I would take Westy. LJ is a throwback type of RB, and that is a positive in many ways as well, but he just doesn't have the versatility that Westy has.

CW99
05-29-2007, 11:54 AM
Overrated: Correll Buckhaulter
Underrated:Trent COle

bsaza2358
05-29-2007, 12:03 PM
How is Trent Cole underrated? He started for most of 2006 and didn't really put up eye-popping numbers. He also has a fat contract extension. How exactly is he underrated?

Black Majic
05-29-2007, 02:18 PM
He made a mistake. Underrated Buck overrated Cole. When healthy buckhalter produces. Cole needs to be more consistent. he's not even a close 20 DE.

Neo
05-29-2007, 02:28 PM
How is Trent Cole underrated? He started for most of 2006 and didn't really put up eye-popping numbers. He also has a fat contract extension. How exactly is he underrated?

Trent Cole is what he is, i am pretty sure most people understand that Cole is an 5th round draft pick who is a Pass Rushing Defensive end. I dont think Cole is overrated in the least or underrated in the least. Could Cole develop into a very good DE in this league? sure, but its not something i expect, i expect him to be what he is... a nice player and capible starter

bsaza2358
05-29-2007, 02:42 PM
Cole is being paid like a pass rush specialist, and that's what he is. He can give 40-50 snaps per game at max effort, but he has a long way to go before he becomes a complete player. Good assessment, Neo.

eaglesalltheway
06-04-2007, 01:16 PM
Trent Cole is what he is, i am pretty sure most people understand that Cole is an 5th round draft pick who is a Pass Rushing Defensive end. I dont think Cole is overrated in the least or underrated in the least. Could Cole develop into a very good DE in this league? sure, but its not something i expect, i expect him to be what he is... a nice player and capible starter

That is about what I would say about him.