Obesity

[TIP]

Ok...In my Human Health class today...we had a discussion on Obesity...and someone said its a genetic disease...which sounds ludacrous to me. Ok, there may be factors to lead it, slow metabolism, family history...but saying your are obese because of family genes seems absurd. Genes do not make you want to gorge yourself and not workout, that's called self-discipline, a skill you develop...It's just being quite a bother to me and I wanted to hear some of your opinions on this issue

[danman253]

Ten bucks says that person had just watched the South Park Episode "Fat Camp" ten minutes before class.

[snuff]

Pretty sure self discipline, intelligence, and other similar factors could be genetics, although no conclusive evidence has been shown yet, so I will go with yes.

well genetics can be one of the factors along with other things.

http://www.webmd.com/hw/weight_control/aa50905.asp

Self discipline is genetic I believe.

[TIP]

Pretty sure self discipline, intelligence, and other similar factors could be genetics, although no conclusive evidence has been shown yet, so I will go with yes.
I disagree, I think that obesity really is only determined on your exercise and the way you are brought up...All the studies that say parents who are obese...there children are 3 times as likely to be obese...can be answered simply...the parents eating patterns picked up by the children. If the parents are obese, and east nonstop...what will the children do? Follow their parents example...but if you have an obese parent, who starts to eat healthier...the child will most likely follow. That is not genetics to me, thats parenting...Teaching self discipline, good eating and exercise to me falls on the shoulder of the parents to teach the children...I can't see how that is something genetic.

[snuff]

Well if self discipline parallels to intelligence and intelligence parallels to genetics then I would say its a genetic problem.

[TitleTown088]

no way, maybe in some extream cases, but people just need to learn to exercise and eat right.

[TIP]

Well if self discipline parallels to intelligence and intelligence parallels to genetics then I would say its a genetic problem.

That is a good point, but you can be intelligent and weak minded individual. Having no self-esteem or will power. Which is also a key in self discipline

[snuff]

no way, maybe in some extream cases, but people just need to learn to exercise and eat right. I eat what ever I want and haven't exercised since this summer, are you going to say genetics has no role in it when I weigh 160 and other weigh 200+ that exercise daily?

[TitleTown088]

no way, maybe in some extream cases, but people just need to learn to exercise and eat right. I eat what ever I want and haven't exercised since this summer, are you going to say genetics has no role in it when I weigh 160 and other weigh 200+ that exercise daily?

IT has some impact , but almost anyone can be fit if they want to, i guess that is what i am trying to say.

[snuff]

Well if self discipline parallels to intelligence and intelligence parallels to genetics then I would say its a genetic problem.

That is a good point, but you can be intelligent and weak minded individual. Having no self-esteem or will power. Which is also a key in self discipline Yes, these are general correlations not laws... I think in most cases though you will find that there is a correlation between self-esteem and will power to intelligence, similar to you will find a correlation between intelligence and prisoners, yes there will be a few stray ones, but most are below average intelligence.

[TIP]

no way, maybe in some extream cases, but people just need to learn to exercise and eat right. I eat what ever I want and haven't exercised since this summer, are you going to say genetics has no role in it when I weigh 160 and other weigh 200+ that exercise daily?
you can have a faster metabolism, but that makes you more prone to it. Not the same thing as a genetically inherit disease. You can inherit diabetes, but you are not born obese, you are born with red hair, blue eyes, or with diabetes, genetic traits that are passed on, obesity is not

[snuff]

Personally I would say obesity is not a genetic disorder, but there are some genetics that enable the growth of obesity in today's society. I think if you look at the past there is little obesity today, so I think that is a telling fact that is more based on environment, and I think you would have a hard time putting genetics as a huge factor of it.

[Vince Lombardi]

Personally I would say obesity is not a genetic disorder, but there are some genetics that enable the growth of obesity in today's society. I think if you look at the past there is little obesity today, so I think that is a telling fact that is more based on environment, and I think you would have a hard time putting genetics as a huge factor of it.

Some people are genetically predisposed towards obesity. Like someone previously said though, having the self discipline to eat right and exercise can fight it off somewhat. In some cases though, even with good discipline, it can still be a struggle because of the genetics. So yes, genetics do play a roll.......in some people. Obesity is a huge problem in this country though and probably the majority of obese people are that way because of poor eating habits and lack of exercise, not genetics. The lack of education dealing with nutrition and health is the biggest problem because alot of people just don't know how to be healthy and they're too lazy to teach themselves. We are a fast food nation. :?

[snuff]

We are a fast food nation. :? Nothing wrong with that... I enjoy it.

[steelersfan43]

I hate it when fat people just say its not there fault, its genetic.

**** that, eat right and exersize fatty

[Moses]

Genetics can play a part in it but it definitely can be prevented no matter what type of genetics you have.

[Paranoidmoonduck]

Genes do not make you want to gorge yourself and not workout

The more research scientists do, the more we are finding out that nature is kicking nuture's ass. Which is to say that much of our temperment, sense of humor, and almost all personality traits are due to genetics. I don't see why getting fat/being lazy/liking to eat wouldn't be a part of that group.

[Moses]

Genes do not make you want to gorge yourself and not workout

The more research scientists do, the more we are finding out that nature is kicking nuture's ass. Which is to say that much of our temperment, sense of humor, and almost all personality traits are due to genetics. I don't see why getting fat/being lazy/liking to eat wouldn't be a part of that group.

Personality traits are effected by genetics but not determined by them. You cannot blame obesity on genetics. Why would all of a sudden obesity be such a huge issue when at no other time in history it was? It's because people are eating poorly and not exercising.

[Vince Lombardi]

What about people who are genetically predisposed to be skinny? My friend Elliot doesn't ever work out and he has the worst eating habits ever, he eats nothing but brats, hamburgers, and cheetos all day every day, never any vegetables or fruits, and is one of the skinniest people I know. He also smokes like crazy and always has a beer in his hand. Obviously it can go both ways, his whole family is like that.

[TitleTown088]

What about people who are genetically predisposed to be skinny? My friend Elliot doesn't ever work out and he has the worst eating habits ever, he eats nothing but brats, hamburgers, and cheetos all day every day, never any vegetables or fruits, and is one of the skinniest people I know. He also smokes like crazy and always has a beer in his hand. Obviously it can go both ways, his whole family is like that.
it will catch up with him sooner or later.

[snuff]

What about people who are genetically predisposed to be skinny? My friend Elliot doesn't ever work out and he has the worst eating habits ever, he eats nothing but brats, hamburgers, and cheetos all day every day, never any vegetables or fruits, and is one of the skinniest people I know. He also smokes like crazy and always has a beer in his hand. Obviously it can go both ways, his whole family is like that.
it will catch up with him sooner or later. Not really true, but we are all dieing so act accordingly.

[Windy]

What about people who are genetically predisposed to be skinny? My friend Elliot doesn't ever work out and he has the worst eating habits ever, he eats nothing but brats, hamburgers, and cheetos all day every day, never any vegetables or fruits, and is one of the skinniest people I know. He also smokes like crazy and always has a beer in his hand. Obviously it can go both ways, his whole family is like that.
it will catch up with him sooner or later. Not really true, but we are all dieing so act accordingly.

My friend works at a life preserve tech company. by 2056 they will be able to extend life expectency by 1 year. If you donate now you could earn a stop in the lineups. I know it sounds like a cult but it isnt that bad. they dont make you do weird things or make you eat weird things either. for more info please call 1-800-live-1cult

[snuff]

If you give up everything that makes you want to life to 100 you can live to 100! - Woody Allen

[Windy]

That same friend just recently contacted me by telegraph and he told me to pass the word around about the company. Z-Life Brotherhood based in Eureka, California is on the forefront of extending lives. It was founded by Y. Tad Prowe M.D

The special offer is:


$ 8,500 which is paid by cash, check, insurance

Pre-Op rebate of 1,500

[Vince Lombardi]

That same friend just recently contacted me by telegraph and he told me to pass the word around about the company. Z-Life Brotherhood based in Eureka, California is on the forefront of extending lives. It was founded by Y. Tad Prowe M.D

The special offer is:


$ 8,500 which is paid by cash, check, insurance

Pre-Op rebate of 1,500

Will Dr. Marvin Candle be performing the procedure?

[Windy]

That same friend just recently contacted me by telegraph and he told me to pass the word around about the company. Z-Life Brotherhood based in Eureka, California is on the forefront of extending lives. It was founded by Y. Tad Prowe M.D

The special offer is:


$ 8,500 which is paid by cash, check, insurance

Pre-Op rebate of 1,500

Will Dr. Marvin Candle be performing the procedure?


Dr. Candle does not practice in this field. However I can refer you to Dr. Laa Naus of the Z-Life Brotherhood.

[snuff]

Get out of my thread jerk.

[Windy]

Get out of my thread jerk.


Your in the wrong neck of the woods, i reckon. This is a free world man, FREE WORLD. This show 'round here is belief and belief is one.

[bearfan]

Well, what we learned in health class is that personality traits are inherited by the child of the parents. Thats one factor, so going along saying self discipline and all, maybe the parents had none and the child inherited those traits.

And since we are mainly HS kids here, I think the parents are somewhat to blame too if their kid has no self discipline and was raised in an enviorment that subjected them to becoming obese.

[njx9]

i find it absolutely hilarious that a bunch of 14-18 year olds are commenting on obesity, as if they've got the faintest clue what's going to happen to them when their metabolism suddenly grinds to a halt somewhere between 20 and 30.

i also find it slightly disturbing that no one has commented on the fact that one of the biggest factors in obesity is income. poor people cannot afford the luxury time to go workout. nor can they typically afford food that is actually healthy (is it any coincidence that all fast food restaurants have a dollar menu?). there's a good reason why obesity was never a major problem in history: people couldn't afford enough food to get fat unless they were in a serious minority (rich, elite). now the demographics have almost compeltely reversed. but hey, they probably haven't covered this in history class yet, so feel free to make a bunch of blanket statements about those dang fat people who just won't go for a run.

it just feels good to be baselessly self-righteous sometimes. :roll:

[Tubby]

Saying obesity is genetic is an excuse for fat people to blame it on other people and attempt to stop themselves from being blamed. Being fat is your fault, stop eating pop tarts and exercise.

[therock6000]

i believe it can be genetics...up to a certain point. some people do have thyroid conditions or slower metabolisms...but that doesn't mean that gives them an excuse to weigh 300 pounds. but for the most part i believe its just laziness and crappy eating habits.

[Eaglez.Fan]

It could also be there parents fault, i kno this one guy his mom loves to cook and feed ppl and hes as fat as hell, but his parents are both like 5 feet nothing and 100 pounds

[bsaza2358]

I think njx has a very big point, but I will elaborate. American society has become the "I want it now" society. Most people don't want to put forth the effort of cooking and don't want to wait for it to happen. The result? They will eat fast food instead of cooking a meal at home. The socioeconomic factors with fast food is also a consideration, but I think that point is counterfeit. You can feed a family of 4 for dinner for under $5 if you make pasta with tomato sauce or if you make tuna salad. Veggies obviously cost a little bit, but they also go bad and such. I think it's more a function of wanting something fast and easy than anything else. After all, most obese people without a medical condition get that way because they are lazy.

I will give an example of a genetics vs. environment situation. I have 2 friend from HS whose parents are very heavy. Probably medically obese, but they are not bed-ridden and such. Just fat. They have 2 sons, one is 28, the other 26. In HS, they were both heavy. Since HS, the older son has moved to Las Vegas and is about the same weight as he was back then. The younger son moved out to go to college and started running every day and now weighs 180 lbs. It's a matter of lifestyle and choices in most cases.

We are living in a society with a lot of fat people, particularly fat kids. This is not just poor people. It's a group of parents who would rather give their kids McDonalds and have them keep quiet with video games and TV than make their kids exercise and be active. I was at a pizza buffet the other day in a suburban neighborhood, and I saw a 10 year old white kid wearing brand new sneakers there. He was so freakin' fat that he had to arch his back just to walk. I was pretty sure he ate more than I did at the buffet. Of course, I try to watch what I eat, and I work out. This kid was probably about 30-40 lbs overweight at age 10. It was sickening.

I say there is a genetic disposition towards body type and metabolism, but probably 2/3 of truly obese people are products of their environment.

[Moses]

i find it absolutely hilarious that a bunch of 14-18 year olds are commenting on obesity, as if they've got the faintest clue what's going to happen to them when their metabolism suddenly grinds to a halt somewhere between 20 and 30.

i also find it slightly disturbing that no one has commented on the fact that one of the biggest factors in obesity is income. poor people cannot afford the luxury time to go workout. nor can they typically afford food that is actually healthy (is it any coincidence that all fast food restaurants have a dollar menu?). there's a good reason why obesity was never a major problem in history: people couldn't afford enough food to get fat unless they were in a serious minority (rich, elite). now the demographics have almost compeltely reversed. but hey, they probably haven't covered this in history class yet, so feel free to make a bunch of blanket statements about those dang fat people who just won't go for a run.

it just feels good to be baselessly self-righteous sometimes. :roll:

Yes, there is an inverse relationship between income and obesity levels. However, I don't see that as an excuse for people who are obese. It would be cheaper to eat healthy foods purchased from a grocery store than to go eat at a fast food restaurant every day.

People need to stop blaming everything but themselves. Yes, it's harder than ever in today's world to stay fit but it is possible. Eat healthy and exercise. That's all it takes.

[bsaza2358]

Moses, you are a gentlemen and a scholar!

[Borat]

i find it absolutely hilarious that a bunch of 14-18 year olds are commenting on obesity, as if they've got the faintest clue what's going to happen to them when their metabolism suddenly grinds to a halt somewhere between 20 and 30.


So true. Your day is coming youngsters. You'll remember NJX's words when you're treadmill shopping.

[bigbluedefense]

It is genetic in a sense that you are more likely to be obese if you have obese parents. You get genes from your parents naturally, if theyre both big heavy set people, youre more likely to be the same mold.

Now that doesn't mean that you're destined to be fat. You ultimately control your own foot intake and exercise regimen. But it is much easier for some to get fat compared to others because of the genetics. Metabolism, genes, lifestyle, it all effects your weight.

Having obese parents usually means that you grow up eating alot as well, so its a snowball effect.

[Mr. Stiller]

Do you think part of it is because of the culture?

In the 60's/70's everyone told their kids to go outside, play with the neighbors and run around, now everyone gets their PC/Xbox and does that,

But then again some people won't let their kids outside because it's dangerous..


But also a major thing is time. Back then it was .. do you 9-5, come home and eat, do stuff for 2-3 hours and go to bed.

Plus in this day and age, it's hard to find families that can constantly have a dinner/lunch around the same time.

When I was 13, we had 3 different dinner times and what i've been told from that is it keeps your metabolism guessing. Which since everyone is too busy to cook meals, we go the way of Microwaving and fast food.

[Mr. Stiller]

I was 5'10 and 300 lbs, after high school (From 5'9 230 my fr, so. years)

Now 2 years out of HS, i'm training at school and i'm 5'11 235 lbs and i'm faster than I was Running for Football at school.

[bigbluedefense]

I was 5'10 and 300 lbs, after high school (From 5'9 230 my fr, so. years)

Now 2 years out of HS, i'm training at school and i'm 5'11 235 lbs and i'm faster than I was Running for Football at school.

What kind of regimen did you do to lose all that weight?

And do you have any suggestions for packing on muscle? I am 5 11' 175 now, I was 190 during my years of playing Safety, but Ive dropped in weight since then because of my high metabolism, but I want to reach about 220 of solid muscle since I have no need for the flexibility anymore since I don't play anymore.

[TIP]

Ok...this is one point I'm going to make..a couple years ago I was obese...6'2 280 lbs...Both my parents were skinny and no one in my families history had a problem with obesity. Now I love my parents dearly, but my mother and father fed me whatever I wanted, and really never made e workout or exercise. I'd eat constatnly, and really was never disciplined about it until high school. Last year I noticed what a fat slob I was and I was disgusted with myself. After a Year, I now weigh 210 and have a much lower body fat percentage. An it was because I lifted, excercised and ate right and ate in moderation. THe point is my family had no history of obesity, an I was clearly obese. All it takes is elf determination and will power, thus I think parenting is one of the biggest influences on obesity, not genetics

[S4L]

I think it's more of a "monkey see, monkey do."

Young kids look up to their parents as role models, and try to emulate their personale. If their parents are obese, they see obesity as something that is OK. But when the parents are fit and thin, kids try themselves to be fit and lean.

[bsaza2358]

TIP, congrats on recognizing the situation and doing what you needed to do to lose that kind of weight. For some people, it is relatively easy to do, but others have more genetic and metabolism issues that affect their ability to make this stuff happen. The fact is, if you make an effort with your diet and excercise, you can lose weight. However, it is not necessarily a guarantee that you can lose 70 lbs or more safely and keep it off. Some people just have problems there.

I don't expect everyone to be rail thin and have washboard abs, but if someone is complaining about their body image and do nothing to safely improve their situation (as in not becoming anorexic, etc.), I have no pity for them. My father is obese, and he tried Atkins and South Beach. He didn't have the will power to make this happen, so he went to a dietician, who got him into a special hospital weight loss program. He goes to the facility at the hospital 3x a week, and he has to submit a food journal. He is limited on calories and also has to do an exercise log. He and my mom walk 2 miles after dinner each night, weather permitting, and he also does a weight lifting program at the facility. He has been doing this program for 6 weeks and has lost 20 lbs. Granted, he needs to lose another 30 at least, but he feels good and he is into the diet 100%. I am proud of him.

[snuff]

Price of food? Come on NJX that is a lame excuse... nothing is cheaper than starving.

[D-Unit]

Eating a lot makes you fat.

[draftguru151]

I just did something on this in personal fitness and like 5 or 10% of people that or obese is because of genetic reasons, but the rest are just fat.

[D-Unit]

I just did something on this in personal fitness and like 5 or 10% of people that or obese is because of genetic reasons, but the rest are just fat.
What's your reason?

[draftguru151]

I just did something on this in personal fitness and like 5 or 10% of people that or obese is because of genetic reasons, but the rest are just fat.
What's your reason?

Just fat. :wink:

[njx9]

as a generic point, since two people made the argument: the price of food is half the equation. you're forgetting the time it takes to make the pasta, or the general ability to keep the family together long enough to feed everyone. again, time is a luxury now. people at a lower income tend to have FAR less free time than people at a high income level (we're talking in general). thus, mcdonalds isn't only the choice because they want to eat right now, but often because they have to eat right now because there just isn't any other choice.

then, further, picture the single mother who's working 2-3 jobs. it's unlikely she's at home in time to cook for her children when they get off of school, and it's likely that she won't be there to make dinner. one could argue that she should have taught her children better, but then, she's not really around to. either way, they're going to eat whatever they can, and it will often be fast food (because, unless they're in high school, it's unlikely they're prepared to cook anything that isn't spelled toast). before college, it's likely they would be obese or that they would be on the road to it based on poor eating habits. it's not laziness, it's the complete lack of ability to change their situation earlier in life. if they suddenly found themselves able to work shorter hours, they could probably turn themselves around with ease. on the other hand, if they found themselves working more than one job and starting too early and finish too late to spend an additional hour working out, they're going to have no chance at losing that weight.

i've spent the last year dropping something close to 50 pounds. but i'm not going to lie to myself and say i could've done it without the free time my job provides me.

[Space Ghost]

I can't stop eating. I eat because I'm unhappy, and I'm unhappy because I eat. It's a vicious cycle. Now, if you'll excuse me, there's someone I'd like to get in touch with and forgive... myself.
[Farts]

That pretty much sums up my opinion that fat people are fat because they eat too much and fart a lot and are stupid and they don't eat healthily and they say and to many times in a sentance.

[draftguru151]

njx slimmed down. 8)

What do you suggest, now that footballs over I'm trying to lose somthing around 20 pounds?

[nobodyinparticular]

Genetics is not the reason for obesity. Check this thread out. This is all you need to know about why America is obese.

http://nfldraftcountdown.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=30107

[Space Ghost]

njx slimmed down. 8)

What do you suggest, now that footballs over I'm trying to lose somthing around 20 pounds?

Anorexia wouldn't hurt. Its easy to lose that weight if all you drink is water and you eat nothing. It really helps your metabolism

[njx9]

just an addendum: i'm absolutely not saying that it never has anything to do with someone just being lazy and eating poorly by choice. the CDC admits as much.

what i am saying is that for a high school kid (or really, most 1st and 2nd year college students) to paint a broad section of the population (at least 20% of every state but colorado, vermont, connecticut and hawaii) as being lazy without bothering to think about the implications of the problem and the potential solutions is, for lack of better words: short-sighted, close-minded and relatively stupid.

[draftguru151]

Genetics is not the reason for obesity. Check this thread out. This is all you need to know about why America is obese.

http://nfldraftcountdown.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=30107

:lol:

[njx9]

Genetics is not the reason for obesity. Check this thread out. This is all you need to know about why America is obese.

http://nfldraftcountdown.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=30107

:lol:

[njx9]

njx slimmed down. 8)

What do you suggest, now that footballs over I'm trying to lose somthing around 20 pounds?

i started running something around 4 to 5 miles per day (building up slowly). i run every single day. i also try to pick and choose my meals now, to ensure i'm getting vegetables and fruit at least once per day. i've also completely cut extra sugar out of my diet, to the point that drinking a single soda gives me an absolutely awful stomach ache. i haven't had fast food more than once in the last 3 years.

[draftguru151]

Well I'm am screwed because pretty much none of that is happening right now. Can't run with a fractured tibia, and fast food is a way of life right now.

[Space Ghost]

njx slimmed down. 8)

What do you suggest, now that footballs over I'm trying to lose somthing around 20 pounds?

i started running something around 4 to 5 miles per day (building up slowly). i run every single day. i also try to pick and choose my meals now, to ensure i'm getting vegetables and fruit at least once per day. i've also completely cut extra sugar out of my diet, to the point that drinking a single soda gives me an absolutely awful stomach ache. i haven't had fast food more than once in the last 3 years.

just do what I do. I started at 10 sets of 20 push ups, every week I add 1 push up. Right now I am doing 10 sets of 53 push ups a night and I am JACKED.

**** push ups really work the core strength hard.

You have to be jacked to play rugby though and I think that going to the gym is for sissies. Just like jogging, sprints are where its at, jogging kills the joints and kills muscle.

[njx9]

i do dig push-ups and crunches, but i'm not really looking for muscle strength as much as endurance these days.

*shrug* it's sort of a personal choice, as to what you can stick with and for me, it's much easier to make myself go run for a while.

[Space Ghost]

i do dig push-ups and crunches, but i'm not really looking for muscle strength as much as endurance these days.

*shrug* it's sort of a personal choice, as to what you can stick with and for me, it's much easier to make myself go run for a while.

Yeah, thats good. I wasn't being mean or anything, thats just my opinion on jogging. I would rather jog than use a tread mill though and if you want to lose weight and not gain cardio strength or get faster, jogging with a sweat jacket/suit is probably the best thing to do.

Somewhere down the road my workout will fail me though when I end up having to do like 10 sets of 300 push ups. I think I will cut it off at 100 :mrgreen:

[draftguru151]

I work out and I'm semi jacked but I'm gonna start this thing where you do as many push ups as you can in one time, once a day, and after a month, no matter what you started at you can get to 200. Push ups really are a great overall workout.

[Space Ghost]

I work out and I'm semi jacked but I'm gonna start this thing where you do as many push ups as you can in one time, once a day, and after a month, no matter what you started at you can get to 200. Push ups really are a great overall workout.

You wont be able to do 200 if you do em every day, you will be too sore by the 31st day, everyother day 62nd day is doable though probably. I don't know if what you said would work at all or not.

[draftguru151]

I work out and I'm semi jacked but I'm gonna start this thing where you do as many push ups as you can in one time, once a day, and after a month, no matter what you started at you can get to 200. Push ups really are a great overall workout.

You wont be able to do 200 if you do em every day, you will be too sore by the 31st day, everyother day 62nd day is doable though probably. I don't know if what you said would work at all or not.

My biology told me about it and he as a world class swimmer and trained an olympic swim team so I trust him.

Also you are doing 1 set of push ups a day, not much to recover from.

[Jdallas]

njx slimmed down. 8)

What do you suggest, now that footballs over I'm trying to lose somthing around 20 pounds?

i started running something around 4 to 5 miles per day (building up slowly). i run every single day. i also try to pick and choose my meals now, to ensure i'm getting vegetables and fruit at least once per day. i've also completely cut extra sugar out of my diet, to the point that drinking a single soda gives me an absolutely awful stomach ache. i haven't had fast food more than once in the last 3 years.

just do what I do. I started at 10 sets of 20 push ups, every week I add 1 push up. Right now I am doing 10 sets of 53 push ups a night and I am JACKED.

*********** push ups really work the core strength hard.

You have to be jacked to play rugby though and I think that going to the gym is for sissies. Just like jogging, sprints are where its at, jogging kills the joints and kills muscle.

If you're doing enough sprints to be in good enough shape to play at a competitive level of rugby, the sprints are killing muscle almost as much as jogging does.

[draftguru151]

Rugby owns btw, my brother plays at Vanderbilt, but they got suspended for this season because of having alcohol on a school vehicle.

[steelersfan43]

You can say lazyness is genetic (which it isnt) but you can change that. People cant say that they are geneticly fat and they cant change it because you can

get off your ass

[steelersfan43]

Do you think part of it is because of the culture?

In the 60's/70's everyone told their kids to go outside, play with the neighbors and run around, now everyone gets their PC/Xbox and does that,

But then again some people won't let their kids outside because it's dangerous..


But also a major thing is time. Back then it was .. do you 9-5, come home and eat, do stuff for 2-3 hours and go to bed.

Plus in this day and age, it's hard to find families that can constantly have a dinner/lunch around the same time.

When I was 13, we had 3 different dinner times and what i've been told from that is it keeps your metabolism guessing. Which since everyone is too busy to cook meals, we go the way of Microwaving and fast food.


I almost never have meals at the same time two days in a row and im no where near overweight

[Moses]

njx slimmed down. 8)

What do you suggest, now that footballs over I'm trying to lose somthing around 20 pounds?

i started running something around 4 to 5 miles per day (building up slowly). i run every single day. i also try to pick and choose my meals now, to ensure i'm getting vegetables and fruit at least once per day. i've also completely cut extra sugar out of my diet, to the point that drinking a single soda gives me an absolutely awful stomach ache. i haven't had fast food more than once in the last 3 years.

just do what I do. I started at 10 sets of 20 push ups, every week I add 1 push up. Right now I am doing 10 sets of 53 push ups a night and I am JACKED.

*********** push ups really work the core strength hard.

You have to be jacked to play rugby though and I think that going to the gym is for sissies. Just like jogging, sprints are where its at, jogging kills the joints and kills muscle.

If you're doing enough sprints to be in good enough shape to play at a competitive level of rugby, the sprints are killing muscle almost as much as jogging does.

Jogging or running do not "kill muscle".

[njx9]

You can say lazyness is genetic (which it isnt) but you can change that. People cant say that they are geneticly fat and they cant change it because you can

get off your ass

feel better? can you simply not read, or did you choose not to read anything else in this thread said either way? i'm curious because you presented no compelling evidence, nor did you even acknowledge any.

this is the problem with arguing about topics that encompass issues that most elementary school social studies classes haven't gotten to yet on this board.

[Ravens1991]

I think if you have 2 people eat the same food, do the exact same exercises and so on for a year and they started out at say 140. One may be 160 or 180, but I dont think that people are born and just become obese and just blame it on genetics.

[Paranoidmoonduck]

Genes do not make you want to gorge yourself and not workout

The more research scientists do, the more we are finding out that nature is kicking nuture's ass. Which is to say that much of our temperment, sense of humor, and almost all personality traits are due to genetics. I don't see why getting fat/being lazy/liking to eat wouldn't be a part of that group.

Personality traits are effected by genetics but not determined by them. You cannot blame obesity on genetics. Why would all of a sudden obesity be such a huge issue when at no other time in history it was? It's because people are eating poorly and not exercising.

To be fair, the last hundred years have been the only time in human history that natural selection has been rendered absolutely non-existant. Fat people are breeding more, and staying alive longer due to more advanced medicine.

Why are some babies born heavier than others, why do some balloon up after birth while some stay skinny. Why do some lose that post-birth weight quickly, why do some never really lose it? It has nothing, or very little, to do with the babies diet. It has almost everything to do with how the babies body is functioning.

Genetics are not the end all-be all, but they determine a hell of a lot.

[Staubach12]

The obeisity crises will end when the Wii takes over the video game market.

[Moses]

Obese people are coping out. They blame everybody but themselves. Sure, genetics, society, income, etc. play a part in it but it always comes back to your actions. There are very few people on Earth who couldn't maintain a healthy BMI if they did what is necessary to stay that healthy.

[steelersfan43]

The obeisity crises will end when the Wii takes over the video game market.




When does that come out?


ps I agree with moses

[Fred Savage]

I would say genetics play about 20%. The problem is ignorance and lack of information on the part of the consumer, lack of exercise, and basic economics. The big corporations are making band of Americans lifestyles. They really dont care there causing an epidemic as long as they make money. I just hope some massive companys form as healthy food producers. Healthy food tastes just as good as fatty junk foods. The problem is healty foods are not easily accesable to people as McDonalds etc. People are starting to catch on but even still the temptation of cheap, dilicious food is to much to pass up. Plus with peoples fast paced life style they dont have the time to take time in the grocery store and cook themselves meals. 99 cent frozen pizzas are much easier. I am done for now, could go on forever.

Just anither excuse for fat people to be lazy and do nothing. No way is it genetic. So many stupid political correct idiots roaming the earth yet.

[Fred Savage]

The genetic argument is so rediculous. The reason people in a family are fat is because they usually all share the same crappy eating and exercise habits. Let's keep this in mind without getting into some pointless religious discussion.

Humans are not ment to be sitting infront of a t.v. or computer all day eating chemically altered food and drinking high fructose corn syrup. Humans are ment to be running around in the wilderness eating natural foods. Thats how we evolved, thats how it should be.

[snuff]

Are you sure Fred, I mean who said what humans are here for?

Nihilism!

[draftguru151]

Are you sure Fred, I mean who said what humans are here for?

Nihilism!

:lol:

[Fred Savage]

Are you sure Fred, I mean who said what humans are here for?

Nihilism!
Actully the tides have turned. Humans have met there potential and are now here to destroy themselfs and to take down the earths natural resouces with them.

[Moltar]

Genetics plays a role, but it isn't the only reason, if you don't make an effort to live a healthy life style, you won't get results and if you fall back on genetics you will go no where.

[Paranoidmoonduck]

The genetic argument is so rediculous. The reason people in a family are fat is because they usually all share the same crappy eating and exercise habits.

Who says those aren't genetic? I mean, after all, intelligence is genetic.

[Moses]

The genetic argument is so rediculous. The reason people in a family are fat is because they usually all share the same crappy eating and exercise habits.

Who says those aren't genetic? I mean, after all, intelligence is genetic.

Again, only to a point. You'd have to be borderline mentally handicapped to not understand the basics of how to stay healthy.

[snuff]

The genetic argument is so rediculous. The reason people in a family are fat is because they usually all share the same crappy eating and exercise habits.

Who says those aren't genetic? I mean, after all, intelligence is genetic. Actually thats not true... Its still in debate.

[Paranoidmoonduck]

The genetic argument is so rediculous. The reason people in a family are fat is because they usually all share the same crappy eating and exercise habits.

Who says those aren't genetic? I mean, after all, intelligence is genetic.

Again, only to a point. You'd have to be borderline mentally handicapped to not understand the basics of how to stay healthy.

You also have to be borderline ******** to not understand that smoking cigarettes is terrible for you, yet people do anyway.

You can be genetically pre-disposed to anything. Does that mean your fate is sealed? Certainly not. But disregarding it entirely is just ignorant.

A Nature vs. Nuture argument is not required here. I'm just trying to make the point that people need to curb their idea of what genetics actually are. Quite thinking that genetics are physical hinderances that made you fat. They actually decide the type of resolutions your brain ends up making, and therefore are responsible for your crappy decisions regarding health.

Actually thats not true... Its still in debate.

It is fact that your brains intelligence potential is absolutely decided before you are born. How/if you fufill that potential has a lot to do with the life you have as a kid.

[Moses]

The genetic argument is so rediculous. The reason people in a family are fat is because they usually all share the same crappy eating and exercise habits.

Who says those aren't genetic? I mean, after all, intelligence is genetic.

Again, only to a point. You'd have to be borderline mentally handicapped to not understand the basics of how to stay healthy.

You also have to be borderline dumb to not understand that smoking cigarettes is terrible for you, yet people do anyway.

You can be genetically pre-disposed to anything. Does that mean your fate is sealed? Certainly not. But disregarding it entirely is just ignorant.

A Nature vs. Nuture argument is not required here. I'm just trying to make the point that people need to curb their idea of what genetics actually are. Quite thinking that genetics are physical hinderances that made you fat. They actually decide the type of resolutions your brain ends up making, and therefore are responsible for your crappy decisions regarding health.

That statement is completely off-base in my opinion. There is absolutely no evidence that proves that genetics are what determines the decisions you make.

[snuff]

Actually thats not true... Its still in debate.

It is fact that your brains intelligence potential is absolutely decided before you are born. How/if you fufill that potential has a lot to do with the life you have as a kid. That is false.


Some studies find the heritability of IQ around 0.5 but the studies show ranges from 0.4 to 0.8;[5] that is, depending on the study, a little less than half to substantially more than half of the variation in IQ among the children studied was due to variation in their genes. The remainder was thus due to environmental variation and measurement error. A heritability in the range of 0.4 to 0.8 implies that IQ is "substantially" heritable. Studies with adults show that they have a higher heritability of IQ than children do and that heritability could be as high as 0.8.

[TIP]

Intelligence is not predetermined, the crappy eating habits I believe are not genetic, good parenting and discilpline can change that easily

[Paranoidmoonduck]

That statement is completely off-base in my opinion. There is absolutely no evidence that proves that genetics are what determines the decisions you make.

Wait, did I miss something? Genetics are a major factor the initial development of your brain pre-birth. Through this, doctors are now able to tell parents the basic personality traits of their children before they are even born. And if you don't think the way your brain wires itself has anything to do with the decision you make, then I'm not quite sure what to say.

That is false.


You just posted a study saying what I said. Like I said above, genetics play a major role in our brains initial development, and in that is determined the potential of children. Smart parents are more likely to give birth to smart children, and vice-versa. A childs upbringing decides how much of that potential they fufill (which would be their IQ level).

...crappy eating habits I believe are not genetic, good parenting and discilpline can change that easily

Why would addiction be a genetic transfered trait and a subconcious urge to eat lots of food not be? Of course an upbringing can change things. But some people are born without the odds already stacked against them genetically regarding many many things.

Let's make something clear. I'm not saying that fat people aren't responsible for their weight. They absolutely are. I'm saying that refering to genetics simply as how fast your metabolism goes is inherently wrong. The basic set of tools we have to work with from the moment we are born is entirely determined by what genetic traits we get from our parents. These traits are modified by our environments until our brain stop developing (somewhere around age 25, and your personality isn't supposed to set until 30), but not everyone starts with the same tool set. That is the only point I'm trying to make.

[njx9]

i find the "they're just lazy." statements really funny.

in all honesty, how many of you are even qualified to have this argument? how many of you have studied sociology or anthropology to even begin to have the faintest idea what you're talking about? the fact that you're 14-18 and are growing up in a middle class to upper middle class family immediately disqualifies your opinion, because frankly, you've got absolutely no idea what you're talking about. to discount genetics as a whole, simply because, as moonduck has pointed out around 743 times, you don't understand what "genetics" means is moronic. to disqualify economic and social factors simply because you don't like them is borderline idiotic.

hey TIP, let's start with you. how is a poor single mother supposed to have any time to impart good eating habits on children she rarely sees? or to have the time to prepare better food, even assuming she could afford it? i'm curious, is she just lazy? should she get off her lazy butt at 3am to prepare a full day's worth of meals for her children before she goes to work three jobs? are you going to volunteer to help her with that? maybe you'd like to point to a specific study that shows that gene types have nothing to do with body type.

it's just entertaining to me that the people advocating the laziness argument are attempting to prove it by demonstrating it, in not even really attempting to make any arguments whatsoever, thinking a generic statement will somehow count as "fact".

[njx9]

Actually thats not true... Its still in debate.

It is fact that your brains intelligence potential is absolutely decided before you are born. How/if you fufill that potential has a lot to do with the life you have as a kid. That is false.


Some studies find the heritability of IQ around 0.5 but the studies show ranges from 0.4 to 0.8;[5] that is, depending on the study, a little less than half to substantially more than half of the variation in IQ among the children studied was due to variation in their genes. The remainder was thus due to environmental variation and measurement error. A heritability in the range of 0.4 to 0.8 implies that IQ is "substantially" heritable. Studies with adults show that they have a higher heritability of IQ than children do and that heritability could be as high as 0.8.

keep in mind also that IQ is a BS test of intelligence. i'm not inclined to buy that it really has any statiscial merit, moreso when it's been consistently shown to give favor to certain cultural subsets.

[tom]

This is completley Bogus... What people call genetic obesity, simply means they have addictive personalities, and cannot stop stuffing their gob, just like alcoholics have trouble with drinking, and junkies with scag. Sure, some people are more predisposed to become addicted, but that doesn't mean it's genetic and cannot be helped.

However, living an idiotic P.C. society that won't tackle these issues because it might offend people, we tend to accept it. In my eyes, an obese person is just as bad as junkie, or an alcoholic (morally, not in so far as being a danger to society, of course).

Saying Obesity is genetic is a ridiculous phalacy, and if you need any proof, look back at pictures of Auschwitz. Now this may seem like a horrible image, but it proves a point, it's eating excesively that makes you fat.

[njx9]

However, living an idiotic P.C. society that won't tackle these issues because it might offend people, we tend to accept it. In my eyes, an obese person is just as bad as junkie, or an alcoholic (morally, not in so far as being a danger to society, of course).


it's interesting that you would bring up alcoholism in a self-restraint post, when it's been shown to run in families.

[tom]

However, living an idiotic P.C. society that won't tackle these issues because it might offend people, we tend to accept it. In my eyes, an obese person is just as bad as junkie, or an alcoholic (morally, not in so far as being a danger to society, of course).


it's interesting that you would bring up alcoholism in a self-restraint post, when it's been shown to run in families.

What has been shown to run in families is the fact that people are prone to have addictive personalities. That is certainly genetic, but there's a diffrence between having an addictive personality, and being either an alcoholic, obese, or a junkie. I have two brothers, and we come from a long line of alcoholics. One of them is a recovered alcoholic and doesn't drink at all. If he can do it, then an obese person can stop eating. Eating is an addiction, and although it's hard, you can quit.

[njx9]

However, living an idiotic P.C. society that won't tackle these issues because it might offend people, we tend to accept it. In my eyes, an obese person is just as bad as junkie, or an alcoholic (morally, not in so far as being a danger to society, of course).


it's interesting that you would bring up alcoholism in a self-restraint post, when it's been shown to run in families.

What has been shown to run in families is the fact that people are prone to have addictive personalities. That is certainly genetic, but there's a diffrence between having an addictive personality, and being either an alcoholic, obese, or a junkie. I have two brothers, and we come from a long line of alcoholics. One of them is a recovered alcoholic and doesn't drink at all. If he can do it, then an obese person can stop eating. Eating is an addiction, and although it's hard, you can quit.

if we're ignoring economic conditions, then yes, i think most people could effect small changes. but also keep in mind that, at a certain point, exercise becomes nearly impossible (due to stress on joints, tendons and ligaments). so america may just be hitting the downstroke before things start to equalize out. *shrug* almost everything in nature finds equilibrium, and given how unhealthy obesity is, it's something that could potentially be selected out several generations down the line.

but i still strenuously object to all obese people being labelled simply "lazy" or "stupid" or whatever other terms have been tossed around this thread, simply because a fair number of people here aren't educated enough to have anything of value to add.