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metafour
05-17-2007, 03:46 PM
Rumors are starting to circulate stating that Paul Oliver (who most consider to be a top CB in next year's draft) is in some real academic trouble and is looking at entering the Supplemental Draft if he becomes academically ineligible.

reese
05-17-2007, 03:48 PM
i dont want to hear this
please delete this post so i can pretend i never seen it

Don Vito
05-17-2007, 03:49 PM
That would really suprise me if he becomes ineligible, but he is a first round talent. In the supp. draft I could definitely see someone using a second rounder on him but I doubt it happens.

Phrost
05-17-2007, 03:49 PM
i dont want to hear this
please delete this post so i can pretend i never seen it

LOL! I thought the same thing. Link?

reese
05-17-2007, 03:54 PM
i mean we have a guy that could step in his spot but i really think he is a man to man shut down type of corner that u can really be flexible in ur defensive gameplan if u have....anyway i just asked if anyone on the uga message board had heard this....

metafour
05-17-2007, 04:00 PM
http://onlineathens.com/stories/051707/football_20070517045.shtml

Georgia waiting on Oliver's status
By Marc Weiszer | Staff Writer | Story updated at 12:17 PM on Thursday, May 17, 2007

Georgia senior cornerback Paul Oliver could be in danger of being academically ineligible to play this season.

Oliver missed several spring practices and a scrimmage for academic reasons.

Coach Mark Richt addressed rumors about Oliver's status Tuesday night while in Savannah on Georgia's "Dawg Days" tour.

"The grades, they've not been reported yet, so we've got to wait on that," Richt said.

Duplicating Systems

Oliver has showed up on some lists of top 10 NFL Draft prospects for 2008 after bypassing the draft after his junior season. He started every game in 2006 and had three interceptions. Oliver limited Georgia Tech All-American Calvin Johnson to two catches and 13 yards in a Georgia win on Nov. 25.

Losing Oliver would be a major blow to a team that returns only three other defensive starters.

Oliver could apply to enter the NFL's supplemental draft this summer if he can't play at Georgia.

Don Vito
05-17-2007, 04:02 PM
If this is true it is really a shame, he is one of the best CB talents around. He could have more potential than any corner in the last few drafts.

reese
05-17-2007, 04:03 PM
its true for sure i just read it on the official uga site...heres the link... http://www.georgiadogs.com/ViewArticle.dbml?SPSID=40673&SPID=3571&DB_OEM_ID=8800&ATCLID=897217mnit...

fenikz
05-17-2007, 04:08 PM
nothing is showing up

but id use a 3rd on him

reese
05-17-2007, 04:11 PM
well heres the story...


ATHENS, Ga. --- University of Georgia senior cornerback Paul Oliver has failed to meet NCAA academic eligibility requirements for competition this fall and plans to petition the NFL for entry into the supplemental draft this summer.

Oliver’s situation does not preclude him from remaining enrolled in school. He was a regular starter last season and has started 15 games in his career.

“We’ll miss him for sure,” UGA head coach Mark Richt. “Of course, he could have made a decision to leave for the draft immediately after his junior season. He was aware there could be risks but he decided to continue in school and get closer to his degree. His best opportunity now to continue his playing career is through the supplemental draft coming up in July.”

San Diego Chicken
05-17-2007, 04:14 PM
If he knew he was going to be lazy and blow it in the classroom, why didn't he declare for the draft instead of returning to school? Why waste the school's time when you have the skills to play in the NFL? As easy as most big football schools make it on their players academically, I don't have alot of patience for guys that get themselves in academic hot-water. Hopefully these are just rumors though.

reese
05-17-2007, 04:15 PM
that story i posted is from the schools official site

San Diego Chicken
05-17-2007, 04:19 PM
that story i posted is from the schools official site

Oops, looks like they aren't rumors then. He's a talented corner, maybe a team like Pittsburgh would use a 3rd or so and take him.

reese
05-17-2007, 04:20 PM
he must have done pretty bad...cuz if it was just a class or 2 then he could have made it up in summer school

ricky bobby
05-17-2007, 04:21 PM
Giants round 2.

Acreboy
05-17-2007, 04:21 PM
So, who do you think will be the first to look at him?

reese
05-17-2007, 04:22 PM
id love for miami to get him...we really need a corner and then at least he would go from one of my fav teams to the other

fenikz
05-17-2007, 04:26 PM
cards with a 3rd

San Diego Chicken
05-17-2007, 04:27 PM
So, who do you think will be the first to look at him?

Detroit could also use one... Kansas City should develop a guy behind Surtain and Law... Buffalo didn't use one draft pick on a corner, but then again those are all cover 2 teams while Oliver is a M2M corner.

Sportsfan486
05-17-2007, 04:43 PM
Wow, well, I definitely could see a 2nd round flyer on him and who knows, a 1st rounder might be possible.

Addict
05-17-2007, 04:48 PM
Detroit could also use one... Kansas City should develop a guy behind Surtain and Law... Buffalo didn't use one draft pick on a corner, but then again those are all cover 2 teams while Oliver is a M2M corner.

Yeah, I think the Lions are gonna take a long hard look at him.

fenikz
05-17-2007, 04:49 PM
he doesn't really fit in a cover 2 scheme though

tEk
05-17-2007, 04:52 PM
can't wait to see what juniors declare now that the top cb spot is open.

ricky bobby
05-17-2007, 04:54 PM
can't wait to see what juniors declare now that the top cb spot is open.
Cason was the top CB.

Sportsfan486
05-17-2007, 04:56 PM
Cason was the top CB.

Depends. Some had Cason, some had Oliver, some had Talib (although he is a junior.)

fischbowl
05-17-2007, 05:00 PM
when i posted this last week, ppl thought I was nuts.

Sportsfan486
05-17-2007, 05:04 PM
when i posted this last week, ppl thought I was nuts.

RUN, IT'S A CRAZY PERSON!!!

fenikz
05-17-2007, 05:20 PM
i had oliver as the top cb

Scout49
05-17-2007, 05:23 PM
I hope my 9ers make a bid for Oliver. You can't have to many good cover corners.

draftguru151
05-17-2007, 05:47 PM
when i posted this last week, ppl thought I was nuts.

Your post also consisted of no information or link. It was just titled supplemental draft with the post saying Paul Oliver.

Jay
05-17-2007, 06:06 PM
Pats with their first! This is a guy a lot of people are already linking to the Pats, I would not be shocked at all to see them spend a second or third on him. They have two firsts and two thirds next year. That would be great.

23trufant
05-17-2007, 06:38 PM
If a team gets him for a 3rd thats a huge steal. I expect that he will probably go in round 2. I wouldnt mind the Seahawks giving up their 2nd for him. Even though they have already drafted Kelly Jennings and Josh Wilson the last two year, and have Marcus Trufant, you can never have too many good CBs. The Seahawks need alot of CBs with the teams in their divison too.

fenikz
05-17-2007, 06:38 PM
when is the supplemental draft anyways?

-black
05-17-2007, 06:49 PM
first Demetrice Morley and now Oliver? smh.....

someone breakdown the supplementary draft for me.....how it works and watnot

draftguru151
05-17-2007, 06:50 PM
when is the supplemental draft anyways?


In late summer, the NFL also holds a Supplemental Draft to accommodate players who did not enter the regular draft because they thought they still had academic eligibility to play college football. Draft order is determined by a weighted system that is divided into three groupings. First come the teams that had six or fewer wins last season, followed by non-playoff teams that had more than six wins, followed by the 12 playoff teams. In the supplemental draft, a team is not required to use any picks. Instead, if a team wants a player in the supplemental draft, they submit a "bid" to the Commissioner with the round they would pick that player. If no other team places a bid on that player at an earlier spot, the team is awarded the player and has to give up an equivalent pick in the following year's draft. (For example, RB Tony Hollings (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_Hollings) was taken by the Houston Texans (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Houston_Texans) in the second round of the Supplemental Draft in 2003; thus, in the 2004 NFL Draft (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004_NFL_Draft), the Texans forfeited a second-round pick.)

Compliments of wiki.

-black
05-17-2007, 06:54 PM
hmmmm......I never knew that. I never really paid attention to the Supp draft. Thanks Guru....

I would not use a 1st day pick on anyone in the Supp draft then unless he was all world. Oliver still needed another season IMHO. A 3rd is the highest I would bid....even then I dont know

so if he is drafted, does he play in the upcomming season or with the 2008 class? prolly this upcoming season right? how is the contracts worked out? like regular draft picks?

critesy
05-17-2007, 06:56 PM
think of ahmad brooks for the bengals, he got selected in the 3rd....what a steal that was

-black
05-17-2007, 06:59 PM
is it ONLY for those who failed accademically? what about players who got kicked off the team for various reasons or someone who just had a change of heart and decided he wanted to go pro during May or the summer (maybe financial situations)....?

georgiafan
05-17-2007, 07:16 PM
here is another link

http://georgia.scout.com/2/644763.html

draftguru151
05-17-2007, 07:20 PM
is it ONLY for those who failed accademically? what about players who got kicked off the team for various reasons or someone who just had a change of heart and decided he wanted to go pro during May or the summer (maybe financial situations)....?

Anyone can enter, it's just for players who don't enter for the normal draft on time, which is mostly because of academic issues. They play this season, contract stuff is normal.

I think a 3rd is realistic, maybe a 2nd. Not really too sure though.

Cashmoney
05-17-2007, 07:38 PM
I wouldnt complain if the titans took him with a second

Joeyjr09
05-17-2007, 07:42 PM
I think 3rd is the most realistic option. He seems comparable to the Brooks/Manny Wright situations and supplemental draft picks are really 50-50 because most have questionable work ethic and things of that nature.

No way my Dolphins go after him because they are looking for high character players and getting kicked out of school doesn't help your case. I wouldn't go any more then a 3rd for him but I can see a team throwing a 2nd his way. I think you'll be seeing the Texans, Cowboys, Ravens or Pats taking a gamble.

Cashmoney
05-17-2007, 07:50 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=2873910

It's pfficial now.

Don Vito
05-17-2007, 08:09 PM
http://uga.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=674560

Yea it looks like he's gone, wouldn't be suprised to see him go for a second rounder in the supplemental draft. I would love for the Pats to use a 2008 2nd rounder for him.

DECA
05-17-2007, 08:33 PM
I really think he will only go for a 4th, now that Goodell is on a mission, not that many teams will want to invest into a high risk situation he might entail.

PACKmanN
05-17-2007, 08:36 PM
god plz let him be a packer.

aNYtitan
05-17-2007, 08:43 PM
I wouldn't mind the Titans using a second on a perenial first round CB next year

metafour
05-17-2007, 08:48 PM
I think 3rd is the most realistic option. He seems comparable to the Brooks/Manny Wright situations and supplemental draft picks are really 50-50 because most have questionable work ethic and things of that nature.

Dont think the comparisons to Brooks/Wright are that valid. Brooks had major character/weight issues and was booted off his team if I remember. Wright has mental issues and also had a documented history of incidents at USC. Both of those guys were bad apples who were kicked off the team for disciplinary reasons. Oliver, by all accounts, is a decent character who just couldn't get through school. Theres a difference between leaving school due to academic reasons and being kicked off because you're a headcase.

georgiafan
05-17-2007, 08:50 PM
I think he goes in the 3rd round, I know the falcons don't really need a CB after taking Houston. But I wouldn't mind them drafting him anyway.

PACKmanN
05-17-2007, 10:20 PM
if Ahmad Brooks was taken in the 3rd round with all of those question marks on him, i think Oliver could be taken by one of Dallas or NE first round picks or could be gone in the second.

P-L
05-17-2007, 10:46 PM
He's probably the top CB for the 2008 draft on most people's boards. He's a definate 1st Round talent. With that being said, he'll be drafted no higher than the 3rd Round in the supplemental draft.

PalmerToCJ
05-17-2007, 10:54 PM
If he went to the 3rd round I really wouldn't doubt the Bengals taking him then cutting Deltha O'Neal.

DChess
05-17-2007, 10:59 PM
if wright can go in the second to the dolphins, oliver can. i say int he mid second round.

P-L
05-17-2007, 11:04 PM
if wright can go in the second to the dolphins, oliver can. i say int he mid second round.

Wright was a 5th Round selection.

metafour
05-17-2007, 11:04 PM
if wright can go in the second to the dolphins, oliver can. i say int he mid second round.

Manny Wright went in the 5th round.

DChess
05-17-2007, 11:07 PM
Wright was a 5th Round selection.

oh my bad, i really thought he was a second rounder, (blush)

DChess
05-17-2007, 11:10 PM
also the lions should take him so he cant shut down CJ again

fenikz
05-17-2007, 11:16 PM
that wouldn't be his job in detriot, he would be covering the flats

thats the point of the cover 2 you don't spend a lot of money on corners

DChess
05-17-2007, 11:23 PM
that wouldn't be his job in detriot, he would be covering the flats

thats the point of the cover 2 you don't spend a lot of money on corners

it was more of a joke

Mr. Stiller
05-18-2007, 12:59 AM
I totally called this 2 weeks ago.

I'm just waiting on Jared Gaither to join him now.

Though, I don't think teams will be fond of Olivers .8 GPA

Larry
05-18-2007, 01:43 AM
The Titans better put in a early bid.

MURPHMAN
05-18-2007, 08:05 AM
I totally called this 2 weeks ago.

I'm just waiting on Jared Gaither to join him now.

What makes you say that?

Finsfan79
05-18-2007, 08:34 AM
Anyone got news about Gaither?

If he enters I wouldnt mind the dolphins blowing a 2nd rounder on either of the two guys. Both would be very good for the fins to pick up :)

Vikes99ej
05-18-2007, 10:36 AM
Does this count as a character concern?

T-RICH49
05-18-2007, 10:42 AM
I wanna see KC put in a 2nd round bid for him.We NEED CB's and Oliver would be a great pickup

Nitschke-Hawk
05-18-2007, 11:54 AM
I want I want I want. Perfect fit for the Packers, man to man corner.

Sportsfan486
05-18-2007, 12:49 PM
He's probably the top CB for the 2008 draft on most people's boards. He's a definate 1st Round talent. With that being said, he'll be drafted no higher than the 3rd Round in the supplemental draft.

Ahmad Brooks went in the 3rd and Oliver has that same level of talent while lacking any character concerns (he didn't get kicked off the team, NCAA rules wouldn't let him play.)

I'd still say 2nd is my guess and yeah, I'd love it if the Pack scooped him up.

reigle9
05-18-2007, 01:42 PM
When I first saw this story, I instantly thought a team would bid a third round pick. After thinking about it, I can really see a team offering up a second. I'll go 55/45 second.

Ho0k Em'
05-18-2007, 01:53 PM
Ahmad Brooks went in the 3rd and Oliver has that same level of talent while lacking any character concerns (he didn't get kicked off the team, NCAA rules wouldn't let him play.)

I'd still say 2nd is my guess and yeah, I'd love it if the Pack scooped him up.

Oliver isn't as talented as Brooks.

thebow305
05-18-2007, 02:13 PM
Anyone got news about Gaither?

If he enters I wouldnt mind the dolphins blowing a 2nd rounder on either of the two guys. Both would be very good for the fins to pick up :)

agreed. I want one of them soooo bad!

reigle9
05-18-2007, 02:15 PM
Oliver isn't as talented as Brooks.

Swing and a miss.

draftguru151
05-18-2007, 02:29 PM
Brooks sophomore year? Not even close. After the injuries and the weight gain though Oliver was better last year than Brooks was as a junior.

Smokey Joe
05-18-2007, 06:36 PM
what's this news about Gaither entering the supp. draft?

Also, I'd give up a third for Oliver any day. Bears do need some corner help with both Vasher and Tillman being free agents.

Chris30277
05-18-2007, 06:51 PM
what's this news about Gaither entering the supp. draft?

Also, I'd give up a third for Oliver any day. Bears do need some corner help with both Vasher and Tillman being free agents.

yes I am very interested to hear about Gaither.

Scout49
05-18-2007, 08:57 PM
what's this news about Gaither entering the supp. draft?

Also, I'd give up a third for Oliver any day. Bears do need some corner help with both Vasher and Tillman being free agents.

Where are you hearing about Gaither going into the supp draft???

draftguru151
05-18-2007, 09:43 PM
Where are you hearing about Gaither going into the supp draft???

He was having academic problems and wasn't even on the spring roster, I haven't seen anything about him thinking about the supplemental draft though, it's all been speculation.

ricky bobby
05-18-2007, 09:50 PM
He was having academic problems and wasn't even on the spring roster, I haven't seen anything about him thinking about the supplemental draft though, it's all been speculation.
Maybe he'll just quit football and become a car salesman? Who knows?

simms2clayton
05-18-2007, 11:39 PM
Maybe he will pull a Mike Williams and wait until the 2008 draft....is playing in Canada an option?

GREENSMACKS
05-19-2007, 02:13 AM
if he was drafted in the first round of the sup, would he be paid like a first rounder? also would the rookie cap allocation be used for part of this pick?

BengalsPwn
05-19-2007, 02:39 PM
Nobody in the supp draft will ever be a first round selection, mostly bc you never know what your first round pick would be the next year. It would suck to have the #1 pick forfeited on the supp draft.

draftguru151
05-19-2007, 02:42 PM
Nobody in the supp draft will ever be a first round selection, mostly bc you never know what your first round pick would be the next year. It would suck to have the #1 pick forfeited on the supp draft.

I wouldn't say nobody. If Jake Long declared for the supplemental draft tomorrow someone would use a first rounder on him.

BengalsPwn
05-19-2007, 02:52 PM
But no high character guy would ever enter the supp draft =P

kmartin575
05-19-2007, 02:59 PM
But no high character guy would ever enter the supp draft =P

So is Jamal Williams not a high character guy?

kmartin575
05-19-2007, 03:02 PM
I wanna see KC put in a 2nd round bid for him.We NEED CB's and Oliver would be a great pickup

Hell yeah.

Cornerback and tackle are our two biggest needs next year and what do you know, an elite cornerback AND an elite left tackle prospect might be available in the supplemental draft. I would jump all over Oliver or Gaither if I were the Chiefs (preferably Oliver).

If Law or Surtain go down we are screwed.

Get a guy like Oliver and we have the depth and talent for a top 10 defense.

kmartin575
05-19-2007, 03:04 PM
Where are you hearing about Gaither going into the supp draft???

I read it on a Maryland messageboard on scout.com.

http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=174#S=174&F=2580&T=529001

It's only a rumor so far but it sounds like he has not participated at all in spring football because of his grades. Some have said there is a very slim chance he is back next year at Maryland. Sounds like he might have to declare for the supp. draft.

kmartin575
05-19-2007, 03:05 PM
I really think he will only go for a 4th, now that Goodell is on a mission, not that many teams will want to invest into a high risk situation he might entail.

So you mean Goodell is going to start suspending people who don't get good grades?

beef
05-19-2007, 04:42 PM
so if both came out, and a team valued both as 2nd rounders, would they only be allowed to submit their 2nd rounder for one of them?

Scout49
05-19-2007, 04:57 PM
I read it on a Maryland messageboard on scout.com.

http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=174#S=174&F=2580&T=529001

It's only a rumor so far but it sounds like he has not participated at all in spring football because of his grades. Some have said there is a very slim chance he is back next year at Maryland. Sounds like he might have to declare for the supp. draft.

Wow!! It really sounds like he will be joining Oliver in the Supp Draft. This is going to be a very interesting.

TheChampIsHere
05-19-2007, 05:09 PM
this could be one of the most exciting supp. drafts in a long time

Bearsfan123
05-20-2007, 06:15 PM
Gaither declares Bears should offer their 2nd, for Oliver, a 3rd.

I_C_DeadPeople
05-21-2007, 02:05 PM
Didn't Bosworth come out in the Supp and Seattle used a #1 on him?

Paranoidmoonduck
05-21-2007, 02:15 PM
I have no idea how legitimate the news on Gaither is, but if he comes out it'll be interesting to see where he lands. I doubt someone drops better than a 4th on him, and I'd probably bet he goes for a 5th rounder. He's got a lot of potential, but is someone going to drop a first day pick on a RT who hasn't played up to potential?

Oliver will probably go for a 3rd.

aNYtitan
05-21-2007, 02:54 PM
Didn't Bosworth come out in the Supp and Seattle used a #1 on him?

I know he was drafted in the supplemental draft, but I'm not sure if they used a first. He was considered to be the best linebacker in the nation at the time, and won the Butkus Award back to back seasons, so I could understand wanting to get possibly a linebacker that would be dominant right from the start.

JPF
05-21-2007, 04:50 PM
Didn't Bosworth come out in the Supp and Seattle used a #1 on him?


Yup

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/6452668

bengalbuck
05-21-2007, 04:54 PM
I think a lot of people on this thread are way off in their predictions of 2nd, 3rd, 4th round, etc. for Oliver. I strongly believe he will end up going in the first round. Why?

1. He has first round talent and, from what I understand, no true character concerns as far as off field bad behavior.

2. Teams ALWAYS need big, fast, cheap, young CBs. It is the toughest position to fill if your team needs a cover guy. Nate Clements is not a real star and he got 9 mil a year.

3. Many teams feel like they need to win now. Coaches and GMs on the hot seat, teams with aging rosters, etc. These teams will put much higher value on getting a 1st rounder now and not having to wait 11 months.

4. If you feel like your team will be picking 25 or later, is there really going to be a better player that late next year? Won't all the CBs left on the board at 25-32 be second teir guys who don't have Oliver's talent?

In conclusion, if I was NE, Indy, San Diego, Pittsburgh, Baltimore, etc. I would definitely take him. Is not having a late 1st rounder next year worth passing up a possible shut down corner who could make a huge difference in possibly winning a Super Bowl right now?

Paranoidmoonduck
05-21-2007, 04:58 PM
There are typically plenty of solid corners left in the late 1st round, and teams are rightfully skittish about surrendering their top selection on a player who hasn't been through the off season gauntlet. He wasn't scouted heavily, wasn't forced to strut his stuff at anything like the Senior Bowl or the Combine. In short, he's a bit of a mystery, and teams are going to be remiss to spend any sort of high pick on a guy like that.

Philliez01
05-21-2007, 05:01 PM
I think a lot of people on this thread are way off in their predictions of 2nd, 3rd, 4th round, etc. for Oliver. I strongly believe he will end up going in the first round. Why?

1. He has first round talent and, from what I understand, no true character concerns as far as off field bad behavior.

2. Teams ALWAYS need big, fast, cheap, young CBs. It is the toughest position to fill if your team needs a cover guy. Nate Clements is not a real star and he got 9 mil a year.

3. Many teams feel like they need to win now. Coaches and GMs on the hot seat, teams with aging rosters, etc. These teams will put much higher value on getting a 1st rounder now and not having to wait 11 months.

4. If you feel like your team will be picking 25 or later, is there really going to be a better player that late next year? Won't all the CBs left on the board at 25-32 be second teir guys who don't have Oliver's talent?

In conclusion, if I was NE, Indy, San Diego, Pittsburgh, Baltimore, etc. I would definitely take him. Is not having a late 1st rounder next year worth passing up a possible shut down corner who could make a huge difference in possibly winning a Super Bowl right now?

I highly doubt that the Colts select him giving that 4 of their CBs (Jackson, Hayden, Jennings, Hughes) all were Day One picks. Plus, my favorite pick was Michael Coe and he has good upside to out of the 5th Round. Plus, the Colts don't have a first rounder next season.

Now, if we were to throw a scenario out there:

What about Philadelphia?

eliteeagle
05-21-2007, 05:02 PM
Didn't Bosworth come out in the Supp and Seattle used a #1 on him?

same with bernie kosar

Mr. Stiller
05-22-2007, 03:09 PM
I think a lot of people on this thread are way off in their predictions of 2nd, 3rd, 4th round, etc. for Oliver. I strongly believe he will end up going in the first round. Why?

1. He has first round talent and, from what I understand, no true character concerns as far as off field bad behavior.

2. Teams ALWAYS need big, fast, cheap, young CBs. It is the toughest position to fill if your team needs a cover guy. Nate Clements is not a real star and he got 9 mil a year.

3. Many teams feel like they need to win now. Coaches and GMs on the hot seat, teams with aging rosters, etc. These teams will put much higher value on getting a 1st rounder now and not having to wait 11 months.

4. If you feel like your team will be picking 25 or later, is there really going to be a better player that late next year? Won't all the CBs left on the board at 25-32 be second teir guys who don't have Oliver's talent?

In conclusion, if I was NE, Indy, San Diego, Pittsburgh, Baltimore, etc. I would definitely take him. Is not having a late 1st rounder next year worth passing up a possible shut down corner who could make a huge difference in possibly winning a Super Bowl right now?

Pittsburgh is lacking a pass rush, we have a ton of young Corners. We also use Zone coverage 90% of the time, rarely do we use man. Thats Olivers strong suit, he's never played a lot of zone. I think if you're giving him a lot of time he'd be a good zone corner, if you drop him in immediately, he'll need Man2Man or just some easy assignments.

William *** is a much better prospect to Pittsburgh than Oliver is. Why? Oliver isn't experienced in zone. *** played plenty of zone at Louisville. I'd count out Tampa2 teams, Zone Blitz teams as people.

Again, we don't need nor do I think we'll draft a 1st round corner, for a long, long time.

Mr. Stiller
05-22-2007, 03:10 PM
same with bernie kosar

I believe Philly used a 4th on Cris Carter, who went on to a great career with Minnesota.

CC.SD
05-22-2007, 04:02 PM
So is Jamal Williams not a high character guy?

or Bernie Kosar?

nobodyinparticular
05-22-2007, 04:20 PM
Brooks sophomore year? Not even close. After the injuries and the weight gain though Oliver was better last year than Brooks was as a junior.

In terms of pure talent and highest playing ability, Brooks blows Oliver out of the water.

That said, Brooks got injured, had a TON of character problems with weed, etc., gained a ton of weight (documented over 280, rumored close to 300 lbs) and then he had microfracture surgery on his knee. That is a surgery that is a last ditch effort to not only save a person's career, but save a person's ability to walk.

Factor all that in, and there was a shot that a pick used on Brooks would be an absolutely wasted pick.

With Oliver, you don't see that high playing ability that Brooks once had. But the chance of absolutely no contribution from Oliver is much more slim than with Ahmad Brooks.

nobodyinparticular
05-22-2007, 04:24 PM
Didn't Bosworth come out in the Supp and Seattle used a #1 on him?

That's true.

But before people use this as evidence of Oliver or Gaither going in the 1st round, let's look back at history. People around the league (and most certainly Boz himself) thought that Bosworth was going to revolutionize the position. That he was going to be an absolute terror.

We all know how that actually turned out, but neither Gaither nor Oliver have that kind of billing or even close to it.

Scott Wright
05-22-2007, 04:34 PM
Figured I'd chime in on this.

Paul Oliver will probably be a Day One pick in the Supplemental Draft, but no higher than a 2nd rounder.

Jared Gaither, if he entered, would be a mid r=-ound with 3rd being a best-case scenario.

Moses
05-23-2007, 03:24 AM
Where are you hearing about Gaither going into the supp draft???

Right now the rumours are mostly circulating around message boards. The rumour is that his grades are too low and he more than likely won't be at Maryland next season.