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saintsfan912
05-20-2007, 03:04 PM
SABAN'S ARROGANCE

Sorry, this may turn your stomach!


By Steve Reeves
Assistant City Editor, Birmingham News
January 19, 2007 3:30AM

TUSCALOOSA | Alabama head football coach Nick Saban ontinues his whirl-wind courtship with the Crimson Tide faithful in person and on the air waves.

State-wide stable, Paul Finebaum ended his 13-year affiliation with WERC-AM this week with a three-hour call in show with Saban. Finebaum has agreed to a three-year contract with Citadel Broadcasting, which owns WJOX.

Finebaum's last show on WERC, Saban presented a confident, personable style, punctuated with good-natured barbs at Auburn, Mississippi State, and saving his strongest lines for his former employer, LSU.

Finebaum's show airs from 2-6 p.m. Monday through Friday and is also carried on about 20 other stations, mostly in Alabama, under the banner of the Paul Finebaum Radio Network.

Finebaum's show was previously heard in Tuscaloosa on WTBC 1230AM, where it will still be aired. Officials with WTBC did not return a phone call Friday.

"I'm sure the SEC hasn't changed much over the past two seasons. I mean Mississippi State is still funding scholarships by collecting pop bottles and aluminum cans along the highways," said Saban, half jokingly Friday afternoon. "Auburn, our motto --'Where most coaches are fired' -- is still
in effect."

"LSU was nothing before I arrived. Academically, athletically, physical plant, nothing. I made LSU. I was LSU. Their current success is solely due to my recruits. Coach Miles, while a fine man, does not fill my shoes, fit my desk, or cast a taller shadow. Our coaching staff is superior to anything in Baton Rouge. We will go into Louisiana an take each and every player we want. LSU will not, nor can not stop me. Mark my words."

Finebaum point blank asked Saban if those comments mean LSU is a bigger foe than Auburn, a team that has dominated the Crimson Tide in recent years.

"No. Auburn is in-state. They are consistently the best team in the West,which speaks to the talent in Alabama. As talent I recruited graduates from LSU, after this season, they will return to the loweer depths of this league."

When pressed about his initial comments about LSU "being special", Saban rejoined, "It was special. I won a title there. But LSU fans focus is on the pre-game party aspect. Winning the party is paramount there. Seven-win football and winning baseball will keep them happy."

Currently there is a controversy regarding Saban's comments about the staff at LSU to previously committed Tiger recruits. In visiting Curtis star Joe McKnight, Nick Saban has created a stir while visiting LSU commitments Phelon Jones, a cornerback from McGill-Toolen High in Mobile, Ala., and Luther Davis, a defensive end from West Monroe.

According to both prospects, Saban took credit for LSU's recent success as he signed most of the players involved in the Tigers' 22-4 run since he left.

Neither player agreed to take a visit to Alabama, though, and refused to de-commit from LSU.

"Great guy, but he is a little bit overconfident," Jones' father Tony is quoted as saying at Tigerbait.com.

Saban also got a no from Davis in West Monroe.

"He (Saban) was kind of mad that we turned down the visit and turned down the scholarship," Davis told Tigerbait.com. "He said that there is no way that the coaching staff at LSU can compare to the coaching staff we have at Alabama right now. He gave no credit to anyone."

"I don't think the LSU coaches are upset with Saban," according to Mike Scarborough of Tigerbait.com. "It probably just makes them very motivated to out-recruit him. I think they also think it's unbelievable some of the things he is saying about LSU.

bearsfan_51
05-20-2007, 03:07 PM
I think it's pretty funny actually.

saintsfan912
05-20-2007, 03:12 PM
I think its hilarious as well. Cant wait til November when we play him again. It will be a bloodbath.

Its also funny that he tried to get 2 guys to de-commit from LSU and they turned his sorry ass down.

bearsfan_51
05-20-2007, 03:17 PM
No it's funny that he called the rest of the SEC out like that. I could really care less about any of the teams, but he did build LSU into a powerhouse when previously they were a decent team, but certainly not amongst the ranks of Auburn and Alabama. To say he's "sorry" is being bitter. Maybe he's bitter too...but at least he's funny.

OhioState
05-20-2007, 03:21 PM
wow, he is an idiot. He should realize how obviously stupid and arrogant it is to make those comments. He really is just supporting those he hate him for the way he has performed/left every program he has worked at.

saintsfan912
05-20-2007, 03:22 PM
To say LSU was nothing and will soon be nothing again is very funny. LSU will be a powerhouse for years to come. Miles is recruiting better than Saban ever did and coaching better than Saban ever did. Cant wait to tear his ass up when he comes back to Baton Rouge next season.

VY10
05-20-2007, 03:22 PM
I think it's pretty funny actually.

No it's funny that he called the rest of the SEC out like that. I could really care less about any of the teams, but he did build LSU into a powerhouse when previously they were a decent team, but certainly not amongst the ranks of Auburn and Alabama. To say he's "sorry" is being bitter. Maybe he's bitter too...but at least he's funny.

I totally agree.

I can't wait to watch some SEC football this year. It's going to be great.

Acreboy
05-20-2007, 03:30 PM
Currently there is a controversy regarding Saban's comments about the staff at LSU to previously committed Tiger recruits. In visiting Curtis star Joe McKnight, Nick Saban has created a stir while visiting LSU commitments Phelon Jones, a cornerback from McGill-Toolen High in Mobile, Ala., and Luther Davis, a defensive end from West Monroe.


Neither player agreed to take a visit to Alabama, though, and refused to de-commit from LSU.

Luther faked going to a funeral and went and took a visit to Bama and some friends told some friends and it got back to Miles. Miles pulled Davis' scholarship when he found out that Luther lied to him and Davis then committed to Bama.

It's cool because we signed Sidell Correly (sp) after he decommitted from UF.

Jughead10
05-20-2007, 03:30 PM
To say LSU was nothing and will soon be nothing again is very funny. LSU will be a powerhouse for years to come. Miles is recruiting better than Saban ever did and coaching better than Saban ever did. Cant wait to tear his ass up when he comes back to Baton Rouge next season.

I don't know about all of that. Miles right now is just recruiting off reputation. Reputation that Saban built. Saban is cocky but he is right. I actaully like the guy. His way or the highway. All the best coaches are like that. You guys probably will beat Alabama bad this year. But give it time when Saban gets all of his guys in there.

BigJohn98
05-20-2007, 03:58 PM
Florida State will work Alabama in Jacksonville.

JeffSamardzijaIRISH
05-20-2007, 04:08 PM
Florida State will work Alabama in Jacksonville.

We're gonna rip'em to shreds if XL gets more consistent+the job. If we got weathersuck, be prepared for a long season...

remix 6
05-20-2007, 04:23 PM
who cares about SEC? Miami is where its at.

reese
05-20-2007, 04:25 PM
he is very bold

Acreboy
05-20-2007, 04:49 PM
who cares about SEC? Miami is where its at.Sarcasm at it's best.

saintsfan912
05-20-2007, 05:29 PM
Sarcasm at it's best.

Either that or just plain ignorance...

P-L
05-20-2007, 05:33 PM
who cares about SEC? Miami is where its at.

I think LSU and their fans would argue otherwise.

saintsfan912
05-20-2007, 05:43 PM
Yea since the dominance of UM has been unreal the past few years. Its not gonna get any better buddy, not with those recruiting classes and that coaching staff. What was the score 2 years ago in the Peach Bowl again?

TigerBait45
05-20-2007, 06:28 PM
Wow, thats really damn cocky. I think Saban's forgetting that he stepped into a program with a legitimate deal of talent. DiNardo could recruit but he was a horrible coach.

Saban may be in for a rude awakening. Auburn is in better shape than Alabama and LSU will want to rip them to shreds every time they play.

This isn't the first time hes talked trash like this on LSU, and I've heard rumors that most of it arises from the fact that he wanted to just walk back into Baton Rouge about half way through the NFL season and they turned him down. I'm not saying its true but I guess its something possible.

Regardless, I think he'll be gone in 3 or 4 years anyway so it won't even matter.

Saban is very overconfident. His teams at LSU consistently lost games they should've won (Alabama Birmingham comes to mind). Even when they won the national title in 2003 they lost a game they shouldn't have. Saban is not a very good coach. Hes only had one season with less than 3 losses.

I also like the part where he says he'll take whoever he wants out of Louisiana. I thought that was pretty funny.

draftguru151
05-20-2007, 07:26 PM
Yea since the dominance of UM has been unreal the past few years. Its not gonna get any better buddy, not with those recruiting classes and that coaching staff. What was the score 2 years ago in the Peach Bowl again?

When LSU gets to be consistently as dominant as Miami come talk. Our coach lost 15 games in 6 years (including 6 in one year) and was considered trash. We know we've been down the last 3 years. But when 9-3 is bad for LSU you can talk trash about Miami. And the new staff has been doing a great job, especially with recruiting.

TigerBait45
05-20-2007, 07:48 PM
9-3 is rapidly becoming a bad year. If Miles keeps up his hellish pace on the recruiting trails we may be able to have this discussion pretty soon.

Acreboy
05-20-2007, 08:08 PM
When LSU gets to be consistently as dominant as Miami come talk. Our coach lost 15 games in 6 years (including 6 in one year) and was considered trash. We know we've been down the last 3 years. But when 9-3 is bad for LSU you can talk trash about Miami. And the new staff has been doing a great job, especially with recruiting.9-3 is very bad for the talent LSU has. LSU is the most talented school in the country. At least neck and neck with USC. So can we now talk?

YAYareaRB
05-20-2007, 08:09 PM
See this is why players get hurt.. Over confident coaches. I'm gonna enjoy seeing John Parker Wilson getting lit up all day this season. I can't wait for Les and boys to get their hands on Saban's Crimson Tide.. Saban is really ignorant and cocky. Okay you won ONE national championship. That's great, but don't disrespect other teams like that. I don't know what Saban's intentions were but he's gonna get his trap shut come the week Bama and LSU plays.

As for the Miami/LSU argument. As of right now! I'll take LSU but Miami has been more consistent over the years. It's all a matter of how you look at things. LSU is the Miami of today, with the talent and depth they got, they're gonna be good for a while. Miami is on a steady pace back on top, but right now LSU is the top dog.

P-L
05-20-2007, 08:26 PM
When LSU gets to be consistently as dominant as Miami come talk. Our coach lost 15 games in 6 years (including 6 in one year) and was considered trash. We know we've been down the last 3 years. But when 9-3 is bad for LSU you can talk trash about Miami. And the new staff has been doing a great job, especially with recruiting.

Miami is 35-14 (.714) over the last four years. LSU is 44-8 (.846) in that same span. Miami's dominance in the early part of the century lasted for four years. LSU's is currently at four years and counting. Both teams have the same amount of wins since the 2000 season. Either Miami fans don't realize how good LSU has been lately or they are still living off of back to back National Championship appearances that happened five years ago. LSU has been consistantly as dominant as Miami has over the last 5-6 years. Sure, Miami had their nice little run in the late 80's/early 90's but that really has no effect on right now. LSU is currently the superior program. I can understand Miami's excitement and optimism for next season. I like Randy Shannon and thinks he's going to help right the ship. But hiring a new coach and pulling in the 18th ranked recruiting class isn't going to bring them back to being an elite program over night.

thebow305
05-20-2007, 08:40 PM
Either that or just plain ignorance...

Either that or 5 National Championships.

thebow305
05-20-2007, 08:45 PM
Yea since the dominance of UM has been unreal the past few years. Its not gonna get any better buddy, not with those recruiting classes and that coaching staff. What was the score 2 years ago in the Peach Bowl again?

Do you have an idea how good we did in recruiting this year? With a first year Head Coach. Shannon has done a ridiculously good job of bringing people in after the firing of Coker and assuring them of Miami returning to dominance and down the right path to championship football. We had one of our better recruiting classes in the last couple years, even landing a 5 star prospect, after how lousy we were last season. Shannon has completely turned the program around already in his short time there and the return to dominance will be MUCH sooner rather than later, I can assure you of that!

bearsfan_51
05-20-2007, 09:09 PM
Haha...Miami will never dominate like it used to. If for no other reason than they aren't in the Big East anymore. Not hard to dominate when you play Temple and Rutgers every week.

saintsfan912
05-20-2007, 09:17 PM
Do you have an idea how good we did in recruiting this year? With a first year Head Coach. Shannon has done a ridiculously good job of bringing people in after the firing of Coker and assuring them of Miami returning to dominance and down the right path to championship football. We had one of our better recruiting classes in the last couple years, even landing a 5 star prospect, after how lousy we were last season. Shannon has completely turned the program around already in his short time there and the return to dominance will be MUCH sooner rather than later, I can assure you of that!

The recruiting class wasnt that great. You are bragging about 1 5 star recruit? Thats when you know your sad.

Acreboy
05-20-2007, 10:09 PM
I'm gonna enjoy seeing John Parker Wilson getting lit up all day this season.I think he only signed up to play baseball at Bama

Haha...Miami will never dominate like it used to. If for no other reason than they aren't in the Big East anymore. Not hard to dominate when you play Temple and Rutgers every week.Don't forget Duke

reese
05-20-2007, 11:18 PM
Miami is 35-14 (.714) over the last four years. LSU is 44-8 (.846) in that same span. Miami's dominance in the early part of the century lasted for four years. LSU's is currently at four years and counting. Both teams have the same amount of wins since the 2000 season. Either Miami fans don't realize how good LSU has been lately or they are still living off of back to back National Championship appearances that happened five years ago. LSU has been consistantly as dominant as Miami has over the last 5-6 years. Sure, Miami had their nice little run in the late 80's/early 90's but that really has no effect on right now. LSU is currently the superior program. I can understand Miami's excitement and optimism for next season. I like Randy Shannon and thinks he's going to help right the ship. But hiring a new coach and pulling in the 18th ranked recruiting class isn't going to bring them back to being an elite program over night.


i wouldnt say lsu has dominated anything...except the SEC west mabe...over the last 10 years uga, florida, and tenn..have the most wins overall and in the order i listed

VY10
05-20-2007, 11:22 PM
I think he only signed up to play baseball at Bama


Thats his brother, the kid from Two A Days, ROSS WILSON.

John Parker was the starting quarterback for Bama last year.

reese
05-20-2007, 11:24 PM
i wouldnt say lsu has dominated anything...except the SEC west mabe...over the last 10 years uga, florida, and tenn..have the most wins overall and in the order i listed


heres the link


http://www.southernpigskin.com/page.cfm?story=11416&cat=exclusives

VY10
05-20-2007, 11:29 PM
heres the link


http://www.southernpigskin.com/page.cfm?story=11416&cat=exclusives

When I look at those teams, I laugh when I think of the Big East and the ACC.

TCU
05-20-2007, 11:34 PM
I like Saban he is identical to Jose Mourino if any of yall know who he is.

thebow305
05-21-2007, 12:05 AM
The recruiting class wasnt that great. You are bragging about 1 5 star recruit? Thats when you know your sad.

You guys only had 2.. I wouldn't brag if I were you. And yes I brag about 1 5 star because we had a down year, a TERRIBLE season. You guys "dominated this year" and only came up with one more 5 star recruit than us. Great job! Can someone get this guy a cookie please!

NittanyLion2k7
05-21-2007, 12:28 AM
I don't think people are giving Nick Saban enough credit...

If you look at the years before Nick Saban got there... http://www.tigerroar.com/football/history/1990s.php

There were only 3 winning seasons in the 90's before Nick Saban got there, the best being 10-2 and a Peach Bowl win, hardly dominating. Hate to say it but Nick Saban really did build LSU.

2000 8-4 5-3 Nick Saban Peach Bowl 22
2001 10-3 5-3 Nick Saban Sugar Bowl 7
2002 8-5 5-3 Nick Saban Cotton Bowl
2003 13-1 7-1 Nick Saban Sugar Bowl 1
2004 9-3 6-2 Nick Saban Capital One Bowl 16

If you look at the years Nick Saban was there, they were pretty impressive years. They went to the BCS 2 out of 5 years and took home a National Title. That didn't happen the entire 2 decades before he was there. People need to step back and realize that maybe he's not just blowing steam...

TigerBait45
05-21-2007, 12:42 AM
I honestly blame a lot of LSU's troubles before Saban arrived on Gerry DiNardo. He recruited really well but he couldn't coach them up. He had a few good years but really lost it in the last two years he was around. Saban stepped in and took a pretty talented team to medial success at first.

I'll give him credit where credit is due. He loaded the program. To say he built it may be a bit much, but he defintely left it stocked well. His problem was that he didn't exactly coach them up too well. He only had one season with less than 3 losses.

draftguru151
05-21-2007, 07:30 AM
Haha...Miami will never dominate like it used to. If for no other reason than they aren't in the Big East anymore. Not hard to dominate when you play Temple and Rutgers every week.

And I guess that demolishing of Nebraska in the NC was nothing?

I know that class won't turn Miami around overnight, and I seriously doubt we will even be in the ACC championship with the QBs we have.

Also PL, Miami had a 6 loss season last year and it had a lot to do with things other than the talent of the players. Before last year, when Miami was having a 2 year down period, we still had a better record that LSU.

TPFKA#1SaintsFan
05-21-2007, 08:07 AM
I don't think people are giving Nick Saban enough credit...

If you look at the years before Nick Saban got there... http://www.tigerroar.com/football/history/1990s.php

There were only 3 winning seasons in the 90's before Nick Saban got there, the best being 10-2 and a Peach Bowl win, hardly dominating. Hate to say it but Nick Saban really did build LSU.

2000 8-4 5-3 Nick Saban Peach Bowl 22
2001 10-3 5-3 Nick Saban Sugar Bowl 7
2002 8-5 5-3 Nick Saban Cotton Bowl
2003 13-1 7-1 Nick Saban Sugar Bowl 1
2004 9-3 6-2 Nick Saban Capital One Bowl 16

If you look at the years Nick Saban was there, they were pretty impressive years. They went to the BCS 2 out of 5 years and took home a National Title. That didn't happen the entire 2 decades before he was there. People need to step back and realize that maybe he's not just blowing steam...

And every year Saban was there, with the exception of the NC season, the team underachieved. He was a hell of a recruiter but he gets far too much credit as a coach, if anything. The talent at LSU, due in large part to Saban's recruiting, was right up there with being the best in the nation, and I think we could have won a couple of National Championships if he was a better coach.

I'm still thankful for what Saban did while he was here, but god has he turned into an unloyal ass since he left. Instead of bashing LSU, he should be thanking them for giving him a bigger stage to really make a name for himself; if he never would have left Michigan State, we wouldn't be having this discussion.

Les Miles has done a fine job of recruiting, and he's much better at coaching them up. LSU is going to crumble after the remainder of Saban's recruits graduate? Laughable. Miles' boys are going to lead LSU to it's greatest days.

Finsfan79
05-21-2007, 08:52 AM
I came in here to talk of Nick Satan not argue about Da U vs LSU. LSU has been a very good team for the past few years and in my opinion should of been in more national title games durring that time. They have been the class of the SEC.

Now to compare them to the canes teams (specially the 2000-2003 teams) are a little bit unfair. Those canes teams could be considered perhaps some of the greatest teams ever for college football (specially that 2001 team).

One of the biggest hurts for miami's recruitment in the past few years was the problems with the grades. Our standards are higher then most schools (including LSU) so we have lost some recruits to such places. As for the past season of recruitment I would say Miami did very well when coming off of a terrible season like that with a coaching change. Was the class as good as LSU and USC? No, but for what little time Randy Shannon had and with all of the changes he did very well you would have to admit. We also already have two 5 Star recruits locked up for next year.



As for Nick Satan, he is not allowed to recruit at St . Thomas down here in florida. One of the top High Schools in the country wont let anyone from Alabama recruit there. :) Because of how they treated shula and then his own lying ways. I think you all might find that highly amusing in many respects.

I dont see a reason for us to argue, heck if anything we both should be on the same side of the Saban issue with Michigan State folks. People that have seen that he is a lying piece of crap.

-black
05-21-2007, 10:23 AM
sounds like the new Steve Spurrier (except not as good as a coach).

P-L
05-21-2007, 10:47 AM
i wouldnt say lsu has dominated anything...except the SEC west mabe...over the last 10 years uga, florida, and tenn..have the most wins overall and in the order i listed
Well what has Miami done that is so special? They haven't done jack since joining the ACC and their "dominance" came in the weak Big East. Over the last six years Miami has one more conference championship than LSU does. The Big East was a joke at that time. Miami only had to show up for one conference game a year during that three year stretch, and that was Virginia Tech. One year, Pittsburgh was fairly competitive. Miami dominated the garbage that was the Big East and they haven't done crap in the ACC.

The Last ten years is a big time frame. I don't think anyone is arguing who has been the better program over the last decade. The debate is which team was the better program over the last few years. That link you provided includes seasons of LSU football that were before the Nick Saban era. Over the last six years, LSU leads the SEC in wins (not 100% sure, but it looks to be the case) and they have more conference titles than Florida, Auburn, and Tennessee. It was a nice attempt, but I'm actually surprised that LSU is as high as it is. Considering that LSU had a whopping 16 wins in the three year span before Nick Saban got there, only being 10 wins back over a 10 year period is prettty good.

Listen, I don't like LSU and I don't dislike Miami. I just think people are short changing LSU when it comes to this discussion. Right now, at this moment and over the last few years, LSU is and has been the superior football program. Miami had their run in the early 00's, and LSU is having their run right now.

-black
05-21-2007, 10:57 AM
im pretty sure Auburn has been a better program than LSU the last few years. I believe aside from the 1 NC year and this past season, LSU had lost at least 3 games in every season (even with Saban). Auburn has been alot more consistent

P-L
05-21-2007, 10:58 AM
Also PL, Miami had a 6 loss season last year and it had a lot to do with things other than the talent of the players. Before last year, when Miami was having a 2 year down period, we still had a better record that LSU.
Actually, in the 2003-2005 span (not including last year for Miami or LSU) Miami is 29-8 and LSU is 33-6. I don't understand how the 6-6 record can just be thrown aside or ignored like some Miami fans want it to. Yes, it was a horrible season that isn't likely to happen again. But it did happen. Miami has no one to blame but themselves. After Butch Davis left them they made a crappy hire in Larry Coker and they stayed with Coker for too long. He should've been fired after the 2004 season when it was evident that he wasn't recruiting up to Miami standards and the team was underacheiving. But the poor decision to keep Larry Coker around shouldn't take away from LSU's accomplishments.

P-L
05-21-2007, 11:06 AM
im pretty sure Auburn has been a better program than LSU the last few years. I believe aside from the 1 NC year and this past season, LSU had lost at least 3 games in every season (even with Saban). Auburn has been alot more consistent
Actually, since 2001:

LSU: 1 National Championship, 2 SEC Championships, 62-16 record, 4 double digit win seasons, 3 seasons with three losses or more

Auburn: 0 National Championships, 1 SEC Championship, 56-19 record, 2 double digit win seasons, 4 seasons with three losses or more

-black
05-21-2007, 11:16 AM
hmmm, your correct judgeing since 2001. I just think the whole LSU program has been underachieving (cant complain tho).

in the grand scheme of things though

going undefeated>losing

Acreboy
05-21-2007, 11:32 AM
Thats his brother, the kid from Two A Days, ROSS WILSON.

John Parker was the starting quarterback for Bama last year.I said that because I thought John Parker graduated for some reason.

reese
05-21-2007, 12:50 PM
Well what has Miami done that is so special? They haven't done jack since joining the ACC and their "dominance" came in the weak Big East. Over the last six years Miami has one more conference championship than LSU does. The Big East was a joke at that time. Miami only had to show up for one conference game a year during that three year stretch, and that was Virginia Tech. One year, Pittsburgh was fairly competitive. Miami dominated the garbage that was the Big East and they haven't done crap in the ACC.

The Last ten years is a big time frame. I don't think anyone is arguing who has been the better program over the last decade. The debate is which team was the better program over the last few years. That link you provided includes seasons of LSU football that were before the Nick Saban era. Over the last six years, LSU leads the SEC in wins (not 100% sure, but it looks to be the case) and they have more conference titles than Florida, Auburn, and Tennessee. It was a nice attempt, but I'm actually surprised that LSU is as high as it is. Considering that LSU had a whopping 16 wins in the three year span before Nick Saban got there, only being 10 wins back over a 10 year period is prettty good.

Listen, I don't like LSU and I don't dislike Miami. I just think people are short changing LSU when it comes to this discussion. Right now, at this moment and over the last few years, LSU is and has been the superior football program. Miami had their run in the early 00's, and LSU is having their run right now.

1st off i wasnt arguing who had the better program...i just responed to someone sayin lsu had dominated the SEC...and u said lsu has the most wins in the last 6 years in the SEC and thats not true..georgia leads in wins over the last 6 years

TigerBait45
05-21-2007, 12:56 PM
Yeah, Georgia's had a hell of a program. Richt is a great coach. I expect Georgia to be very competitive this year now that Stafford has some experience with the offense.

The SEC East in general has been brutal the last 10 or so years.

draftguru151
05-21-2007, 01:38 PM
Actually, in the 2003-2005 span (not including last year for Miami or LSU) Miami is 29-8 and LSU is 33-6. I don't understand how the 6-6 record can just be thrown aside or ignored like some Miami fans want it to. Yes, it was a horrible season that isn't likely to happen again. But it did happen. Miami has no one to blame but themselves. After Butch Davis left them they made a crappy hire in Larry Coker and they stayed with Coker for too long. He should've been fired after the 2004 season when it was evident that he wasn't recruiting up to Miami standards and the team was underacheiving. But the poor decision to keep Larry Coker around shouldn't take away from LSU's accomplishments.

It shouldn't be just cast aside but people are ridiculous to think that is what Miami is going to be like. There were a ridiculous amount of things that happened this year that had nothing to do with player talent. Be it Coker firing the OC and OL coach to save his ass to the death of Bryan Pata and the FIU fight, as well as the injuries.

Over the last few years, yes LSU has been better, but I'm talking about a bigger time frame.

VY10
05-21-2007, 03:27 PM
And every year Saban was there, with the exception of the NC season, the team underachieved. He was a hell of a recruiter but he gets far too much credit as a coach, if anything. The talent at LSU, due in large part to Saban's recruiting, was right up there with being the best in the nation, and I think we could have won a couple of National Championships if he was a better coach.

I think that most teams "underachieve" every year due to fans expectations. Personally as a Texas fan, it seems the Longhorns underachieve every single year except when it is a National Championship.

bearfan
05-21-2007, 04:29 PM
haha what a scum bag

TigerBait45
05-21-2007, 06:26 PM
I think that most teams "underachieve" every year due to fans expectations. Personally as a Texas fan, it seems the Longhorns underachieve every single year except when it is a National Championship.

Well I guess you could look at what Miles is doing with Saban's players and see what we're talking about.

YAYareaRB
05-21-2007, 06:37 PM
You guys are crazy! You guys are bragging about past national championships and records but the fact of the matter is LSU is better than Miami, right now. You're looking at a bigger time frame but what is that doing for the program now?

SouthernPride396
05-21-2007, 07:06 PM
Oh get over it already.

Talk is talk is talk. Everybody loves it when Spurrier pokes fun at everybody, but Saban isn't allowed to? Hell, Tubberville is known to make snide coments on other teams, but he's not a great coach. That'll be exposed with Muschamp and Borges get their own programs ina coupe years

Does it really matter what a coach says? Not at all. Everyone makes jokes; coaches shouldn't have to sit out. i personally love a coach that shows a sense of humor. it just adds to the atmosphere.

So , again, get over it already.

Geo
05-21-2007, 07:15 PM
I think it's pretty funny actually.
Hah, agreed.

critesy
05-21-2007, 07:28 PM
all this sec talk...im going to go play in my auburn dynasty now for 360 :)