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LarryJohnson27
05-20-2007, 08:15 PM
What team do you feel could suprise everybody and make the playoffs this year? I expect most people to say teams like the 49ers, Cardinals, and Falcons, but I'm going to go a different route and say the Rams.


I liked the offseason additions of Brian Leonard, Randy McMichael, Dante Hall, Jonathan Wade, Adamn Carriker and Dustin Fry, and guys like Tye Hill and Claude Wroten will continue to develop and improve the defense. I also think the offense will improve and be more consistent, as I expect Steven Jackson to have a HUGE year on the ground, and in the passing game too. If Bulger can stay healthy, they have a shot at making the playoffs.

GiantRutgersFan
05-20-2007, 08:19 PM
Rams, Giants, KC Chiefs

snobdmat
05-20-2007, 08:24 PM
you realize that both the chiefs and giants made the playoffs last year, so how would it surprise you if they made it again this year???


as for the question....titans and for the big surprise the bucs

LarryJohnson27
05-20-2007, 08:28 PM
you realize that both the chiefs and giants made the playoffs last year, so how would it surprise you if they made it again this year???


as for the question....titans and for the big surprise the bucs

In GRF's defense the Chiefs and Giants aren't expected to do much this comming season. In fact, alot of posters on here mentioned the two in the "With the 1st overall pick in the 2008 draft the ________" thread. I see your point also though.

bearsfan_51
05-20-2007, 08:29 PM
Damn my team has been the Rams. Theif.

Edit: You just said they'd have a "shot to make the playoffs". Real bold there.

The Rams will win the NFC West. Book it.

Bearsfan123
05-20-2007, 08:30 PM
ill go out on a limb and say the Bears and Cowboys could collapse for the NFC and in the AFC the Chargers could along with Baltimore

Chicago-I love the team but with little dependable runningback depth *behind Benson* and the possibility of a qb crisis this team can either be a prime contender or a complete flop. Another attribute that is in flux is the d-coordinator, will playing a more pure cover-2 help or hurt?

Cowboys-Similar to Bears, big qb questions with an aging receiving corps (bears are younger). Defense looks solid but time will tell, and most importantly offensive line questions.

Chargers-I dont see LT repeating what he did last year. Thats really my only reason, a good defense, and a promising qb lead the team, but i just highly doubt LT repeats his incredible year.

Baltimore-aging in many positions it might just catch up with them. Ray Lewis and co will miss Adalius Thomas more than they think.

As for promising.

Lions- Every friggin year i say they are promising, and like every other year I believe it. The only difference is that I believe in Rod Marinelli and Martz.

Cleveland- In the powerful AFC i see no jump start risers, but Cleveland is on the right track to become great. I like Quinn and their O-line. Good skill players besides runningback. A couple more pieces and I see this team becoming another great AFC team.

Moses
05-20-2007, 08:30 PM
Texans will surprise by going 0-16. ;)

GB12
05-20-2007, 08:31 PM
Rams have been my West winner.

bearsfan_51
05-20-2007, 08:32 PM
If you think the loss of Rivera will be a big blow you aren't paying much attention to the Bears. He was the D coordinator in name only last year. That's not to say there aren't other reasons they could slip, but that isn't one of them.

Also, we had a QB crisis and won 13 games so I don't think that will be what brings us down. My two biggest concerns are RB depth as you mentioned and the potential loss of Briggs, who I view as more valuable than most.

sweetness34
05-20-2007, 08:32 PM
No GB predictions so far? Fine I'll do it just to get things going a bit.

fenikz
05-20-2007, 08:33 PM
cards are always picked as the surprise team, maybe this year since no one is really saying it we will actually do it

thule
05-20-2007, 08:34 PM
I have had the browns as a underdog team since the end of last year...after FA and the Draft this doesn't look as much of an underdog. But I only put them at making it above .500 anyways.

Moses
05-20-2007, 08:34 PM
No GB predictions so far? Fine I'll do it just to get things going a bit.

It all hinges on young players and how they develop. If a few of the young kids turn into the players they are capable of, Green Bay should make the playoffs.
If they don't, the Packers will be on the outside looking in again.

bearsfan_51
05-20-2007, 08:36 PM
It all hinges on young players and how they develop. If a few of the young kids turn into the players they are capable of, Green Bay should make the playoffs.
If they don't, the Packers will be on the outside looking in again.
Should implies that there is a much greater than 50% chance of making the playoffs.

The Colts should make the playoffs. The Packers could. It's an issue of semantics but an important one IMO.

Bearsfan123
05-20-2007, 08:36 PM
If you think the loss of Rivera will be a big blow you aren't paying much attention to the Bears. He was the D coordinator in name only last year. That's not to say there aren't other reasons they could slip, but that isn't one of them.

Also, we had a QB crisis and won 13 games so I don't think that will be what brings us down. My two biggest concerns are RB depth as you mentioned and the potential loss of Briggs, who I view as more valuable than most.

im just worried that Babich will make us play Cover 2 100% of the time. And notice i said potentially. Who knows with Grossman, and the rb depth has no starter capable guys besides Benson whos shown that he cant seem to stay healthy.

the Briggs situation bothers me only for locker room purposes, frankly i think hes a good player that has his stats inflated by the scheme and playing next to Urlacher. Not to say he isnt good, but I dont believe hes the be all end all.

jag
05-20-2007, 08:37 PM
My bold prediction: The Minnesota Vikings will win the NFC North.

Moses
05-20-2007, 08:38 PM
Should implies that there is a much greater than 50% chance of making the playoffs.

The Colts should make the playoffs. The Packers could. It's an issue of semantics but an important one IMO.

I said that IF some key young guys step up, THEN the Packers SHOULD make the playoffs. So, if their young guys develop like they hope, they should make the playoffs. If they don't, there's a slim-to-none chance the Packers make the playoffs.

If I was an oddsmaker, I'd put the Packers at about 50% chance of making the playoffs. I think the NFC North is going to see a big shake-up this year and I wouldn't be at all surprised to see any of the teams in last place in the division.

TheChampIsHere
05-20-2007, 08:39 PM
The Bengals will surprise people and either win the superbowl or come extremely close.

bearsfan_51
05-20-2007, 08:41 PM
If I was an oddsmaker, I'd put the Packers at about 50% chance of making the playoffs. I think the NFC North is going to see a big shake-up this year and I wouldn't be at all surprised to see any of the teams in last place in the division.
No way in hell. The Packers are about a 20-25% chance of making the playoffs. Look it up. I realize that is your opinion but as an oddsmaker you would get robbed. I've seen the Packers anywhere from a 4/1 to 5/1 odds to make the playoffs. The over/under on wins is from 7 to 7 1/2. For comparison, the Bucs are 4/1 odds and the Falcons are 3/1 odds to win the NFC South. The Bears have the same odds to get back to the Superbowl.

As for all your hypotheticals, I think even if those things happen they are still at best a 50-60% chance to make it. Should implies that there is at least an 80-90% chance of something happening.

ny10804
05-20-2007, 08:46 PM
Packers will easily win the division next year.

Moses
05-20-2007, 08:47 PM
No way in hell. The Packers are about a 20% chance of making the playoffs. Look it up. I realize that is your opinion but as an oddsmaker you would get robbed.

As for all your hypotheticals, I think even if those things happen they are still at best a 50-60% chance to make it. Should implies that there is at least an 80-90% chance of something happening.

If Jennings plays even as good as he did pre-injury last season...

If Jackson/Morency establish a consistent running game...

If the young offensive line continues to improve...

The Packers should make the playoffs. I see no reason that they shouldn't.

LarryJohnson27
05-20-2007, 08:47 PM
No way in hell. The Packers are about a 20% chance of making the playoffs. Look it up. I realize that is your opinion but as an oddsmaker you would get robbed. I've seen the Packers anywhere from a 4/1 to 5/1 odds to make the playoffs. The over/under on wins is from 7 to 7 1/2.

As for all your hypotheticals, I think even if those things happen they are still at best a 50-60% chance to make it. Should implies that there is at least an 80-90% chance of something happening.

I agree. The Bears will likely win the division, and with the Lions possibly suprising, it's hard to say the Packers have a 50% chance. I think the Packers will finsish 2nd in the division and just miss.

bearsfan_51
05-20-2007, 08:52 PM
If Jennings plays even as good as he did pre-injury last season...

If Jackson/Morency establish a consistent running game...

If the young offensive line continues to improve...

The Packers should make the playoffs. I see no reason that they shouldn't.
Cause there are 15 other teams and the Packers aren't exactly overwhelming with talent. For as diplomatic as some of us talk around here I think that people sometimes underestimate how big of a gap there still is between the Bears and everyone else in the North. There is the wild card, but there are only 2 of them, and 12 teams vying for them. I wouldn't take a 1/6 odds under any circumstance.

remix 6
05-20-2007, 08:52 PM
Rams, Giants, KC Chiefs

how the giants?
-downgrade at RB
-no LT that can replace Petitigout
-no DT yet that can hold it down
-Added Ross but he wont be able to make an impact as a starter right away on defense

plus Giants made it last year..wheres the suprise?

my suprise team? Redskins. Portis + Betts are a top duo..Campbell is developing nicely..Moss is gonna be healthy and have a good QB..Cooley is good. Their OL is underrated and has a lot of talent.

defensive line is the same but Carter improved by the end of season..they added Fletcher at MLB..Good depth with Marshall on bench playing backup outside and middle. Archuleta is gone..added Landry. Added Smoot who i think will do better in Washington than he did in the cover 2 at Minny. I see them being a wildcard in the NFC

BlindSite
05-20-2007, 08:53 PM
I think that the raiders might be a big surprise. Their line can block, they just need to be coached better.

With the additions they've made if at QB they can just manage the game they'll be competitive with that defense.

As for in the NFC, the Panthers will play strong if they're healthy. I also like the 49ers more and more every year.

Moses
05-20-2007, 08:54 PM
Cause there are 15 other teams and the Packers aren't exactly overwhelming with talent. For as diplomatic as some of us talk around here I think that people sometimes underestimate how big of a gap there still is between the Bears and everyone else in the North. There is the wild card, but there are only 2 of them, and 12 teams vying for them. I wouldn't take a 1/6 odds under any circumstance.

Packers are 4:1 to win the NFC North according to BoDog Sportsbook.

On paper, I think the Packers are close to the Bears in terms of talent. Also, the Packers are in a position in which they haven't lost anything and have gained players and their young players are getting better.

bearsfan_51
05-20-2007, 09:00 PM
Packers are 4:1 to win the NFC North according to BoDog Sportsbook.

On paper, I think the Packers are close to the Bears in terms of talent. Also, the Packers are in a position in which they haven't lost anything and have gained players and their young players are getting better.
A couple of things.

1)As I edited in my previous post, 4:1 odds isn't that great. The Bears are 4:1 odds to get back to the Superbowl. That's versus 15 other teams. The Bucs are 4:1 odds to win the NFC South. The Falcons are 3:1 odds.

2)The Packers haven't lost anything? Your leading rusher and your best tight end aren't anything? Yes, David Martin is better than Bubba Franks. That might not be saying much but it's true.

3)The young players are only getting better? I'm assuming that you are basing the 4 game swing as your basis of comparison. That might be ok for a chat board but it's not a good way to make a line.

4)I think most people would disagree with the notion that the Bears and Packers are close in talent. I'll give you QB. That's about it. WR and D-Line are close. Linebacker could be if Briggs is MIA.

There's a reason why the Bears are still big favorites again. A 50% odds is crazy. I don't know what other stats I can pull up to show that.

Moses
05-20-2007, 09:15 PM
A couple of things.

1)As I edited in my previous post, 4:1 odds isn't that great. The Bears are 4:1 odds to get back to the Superbowl. That's versus 15 other teams. The Bucs are 4:1 odds to win the NFC South. The Falcons are 3:1 odds.

2)The Packers haven't lost anything? Your leading rusher and your best tight end aren't anything? Yes, David Martin is better than Bubba Franks. That might not be saying much but it's true.

3)The young players are only getting better? I'm assuming that you are basing the 4 game swing as your basis of comparison. That might be ok for a chat board but it's not a good way to make a line.

4)I think most people would disagree with the notion that the Bears and Packers are close in talent. I'll give you QB. That's about it. WR and D-Line are close. Linebacker could be if Briggs is MIA.

There's a reason why the Bears are still big favorites again. A 50% odds is crazy. I don't know what other stats I can pull up to show that.

Ahman Green is a great player (one of my favourites) but he is replaceable, especially with his injury history. Jackson/Morency are both capable backs and I think they'll have no trouble filling the void left by Green.

David Martin is nothing special and he won't be missed very much. I personally didn't feel he was the best TE on the roster but that's debatable. He's very similar to Donald Lee and I doubt the Packers will miss him.

Younger players typically do get better after a few seasons. Why wouldn't they? More experience, more coaching, etc. = better player.

Barnett, Hawk, Jenkins, Williams, Cole, Poppinga, Hodge, Blackmon, Dendy, Collins, Culver, Underwood, etc. are all young defensive guys with only a few years experience. Plus, this is their second season under McCarthy. Players always struggle when learning new schemes. The offensive guys include Morency, Herron, Miree, Martin, Jennings, Colledge, Spitz, Moll, Wells, and a whole slew of WRs. There are so many young guys that are going to be a year better. The Packers biggest improvement from last season will be their young players being a year older.

Where are the Bears head and shoulders above the Packers?

bearsfan_51
05-20-2007, 09:19 PM
You're assuming that they are going to be better just because they are young. For every guy that develops there are are 2-3 that don't. That's the nature of football.

As for where the Bears are better, did you watch last season? We went to the Superbowl. You won 8 games. I'm really not being flippant here either, I'm being serious. It's not as if it was even close.

Bengals1690
05-20-2007, 09:21 PM
NFC North Standings-
1.. Green Bay
2. Lions
3. Bears
4. Vikings

you never know...

JF4
05-20-2007, 09:23 PM
I think the Browns can be a surprise team this year. I like what they have done to improve their O-Line and if one of their QB's can step up and play good then they will have tons of weapons on offense. Mix that with an pretty good secondary and they could surprise.

And of course the Packers are bound to surprise ;)

Moses
05-20-2007, 09:26 PM
You're assuming that they are going to be better just because they are young. For every guy that develops there are are 2-3 that don't. That's the nature of football.

As for where the Bears are better, did you watch last season? We went to the Superbowl. You won 8 games. I'm really not being flippant here either, I'm being serious. It's not as if it was even close.

How many young players get worse? Do you honestly think the Packers are going to regress because A.J. Hawk, Greg Jennings, Cullen Jenkins, etc. are going to all of a sudden become terrible instead of getting better?

I'm not talking about last year. I'm talking about talent. Where are the Bears a lot better? What positions? Why are the Bears going to roll over the Packers next year and it won't be close?

bearsfan_51
05-20-2007, 09:34 PM
I never said it wouldn't be close. I said 50% odds is insane for a team that was 8-8 and is a 4:1 odds in reality. You're just being a homer dude.

If I said, the Bears have a 50% chance of getting back to the Superbowl, or a Bucs fans said they had a 50% of winning the division they would be laughed off of here. I don't care what hypotheticals you throw in there. It's a dumb thing to say.

Moses
05-20-2007, 09:36 PM
I never said it wouldn't be close. I said 50% odds is insane for a team that was 8-8 and is a 4:1 odds in reality. You're just being a homer dude.

I'm not an oddsmaker nor do I claim to be. I have no idea what a realistic line would be.

You're just dancing around my questions about why the Bears are such a better team and it's not even close? Talent-wise, they are close.

bearsfan_51
05-20-2007, 09:39 PM
I'm not an oddsmaker nor do I claim to be. I have no idea what a realistic line would be.

You're just dancing around my questions about why the Bears are such a better team and it's not even close? Talent-wise, they are close.
Go to the Bears-Packers thread. I'm not posting the same thing again. And I don't dance around anything.

Moses
05-20-2007, 09:41 PM
Go to the Bears-Packers thread. I'm not posting the same thing again. And I don't dance around anything.

I didn't see anywhere where you showed that the Bears were clearly on a whole different level than the Packers. Maybe I missed it, so just copy and paste to this thread.

sweetness34
05-20-2007, 09:42 PM
I didn't see anywhere where you showed that the Bears were clearly on a whole different level than the Packers. Maybe I missed it, so just copy and paste to this thread.

7-2 Chicago beats Green Bay on postional rankings for 51'. I have 6 Chicago, 2 push, and 1 to Green Bay.

Moses
05-20-2007, 09:48 PM
7-2 Chicago beats Green Bay on postional rankings for 51'. I have 6 Chicago, 2 push, and 1 to Green Bay.

Right, but how many of those are very close? There's only a few that go for sure to Green Bay or Chicago.

bearsfan_51
05-20-2007, 09:55 PM
Right, but how many of those are very close? There's only a few that go for sure to Green Bay or Chicago.
Yeah probably. Add it all up and there's your differential. I'm not saying the Packers aren't potentially gaining on the Bears. The system is set up for that to happen. The Bears should have caught the Packers well before 2005 but we had Dave Wandsteadt as our coach and some of the worst personel in the game.

As for the development of your players, Hawk looks like a gem, as I think most expected him to be. The rest of them are still by and large question marks. You rate them higher because they are your own players, but for every one that turns into something good there will be 3-4 that do nothing. That's why teams don't turn around overnight. The Bears have more sure-fire pillars to build around under the age of 30, and that's why it's still hard to project anyone overtaking them at this point. Could it happen? Of course, I don't think anyone is denying that, but it's certainly not likely or probable.

Moses
05-20-2007, 09:59 PM
Yeah probably. Add it all up and there's your differential. I'm not saying the Packers aren't potentially gaining on the Bears. The system is set up for that to happen. The Bears should have caught the Packers well before 2005 but we had Dave Wandsteadt as our coach and some of the worst personel in the game.

As for the development of your players, Hawk looks like a gem, as I think most expected him to be. The rest of them are still by and large question marks. You rate them higher because they are your own players, but for every one that turns into something good there will be 3-4 that do nothing. That's why teams don't turn around overnight.

I'm talking about young players that have already done something though. Not rookies, or unproven players. Hawk is going to get better (already a top LB). Jennings is going to get better (could have hit 1000 yards last year had he not gotten hurt). Collins looked great the last couple games. Jenkins is another guy who really stepped up when given the chance. I'm just saying that these aren't guys who are likely going to "bust" now. They've shown what they can do. It's now just a game of how great will they be and how long will it take them to get there.

I agree with you that the Bears are a better team right now. That said, I don't think it's a huge margin of difference and I wouldn't be at all surprised to see either team win the NFC North. I wouldn't even be surprised if the Vikings won the NFC North. It's a close division and a lot more wide open than people think.

bored of education
05-20-2007, 11:06 PM
KC goes 13-3 and wins it all!!!!!!!!!

aNYtitan
05-20-2007, 11:09 PM
IDK but I have a feeling that Minnesota will contend for the NFC North title this season, and Chicago falls off dramatically by losing Thomas Jones and Lance Briggs for the majority of the season, not to mention nothing has really been brought in to help Rex Grossman. I also have Arizona contending along with San Francisco coming out.

bearsfan_51
05-20-2007, 11:12 PM
IDK but I have a feeling that Minnesota will contend for the NFC North title this season, and Chicago falls off dramatically by losing Thomas Jones and Lance Briggs for the majority of the season, not to mention nothing has really been brought in to help Rex Grossman. I also have Arizona contending along with San Francisco coming out.
Who should they have brought in? We spent two first day picks on offensive guys and are moving Hester over as well. I'm not saying more offensive weapons wouldn't hurt, but I'm curious who was available that you think would be much of an upgrade.

cunningham06
05-20-2007, 11:47 PM
I'm probably going to regret this pick, but I like the Lions this season. Probably no playoffs, but I wouldn't be too surprised to see them go 8-8.

I see the Jets snagging a Wild Card spot, and I'll take the Falcons to win their division.

Those are all the predictions I'm making right now.

Shiver
05-21-2007, 12:29 AM
Lions are my NFC pick, Texans being the AFC pick for me. If I nail either I look like a genius, and odds are no one will remember if I am wrong on both counts.

J-Dub
05-21-2007, 01:25 AM
the falcons can suprise people if there d stay healthy

HoopsDemon12
05-21-2007, 01:43 AM
I could see a a surprise season for buffalo coming up, if J.P keeps improving and he has a better line than last year. I like most of their additions on offence.... however the defensive losses scare me, i think they could put it together and make a little run, playoffs are just a nice thought at this point... actually 9 wins is a nice though..

DChess
05-21-2007, 02:09 AM
ill go team who will be a disappointment: the Tennessee titans. i just think they didnt do anything in free agency or the draft to help out there tea,, especially with all that momentum from last year

it hurts me too say it becasue there my second favorite team

sweetness34
05-21-2007, 02:15 AM
Hmmm you know what I'm going to take the Buffalo Bills. Don't ask me why because I really don't have any idea, but I'm picking them.

Oh and in the NFC. Hmmmm, I'll go with the Rams. Generic I know but I don't like any of the other teams to really step up.

DChess
05-21-2007, 02:19 AM
nfc= arizona cardinals
afc= dolphins

sweetness34
05-21-2007, 02:20 AM
nfc= arizona cardinals
afc= dolphins

That's a bold prediction.

A) Because the Cardinals NEVER live up to their expectations

B) Miami still has no QB, or well no proven QB

I give you props though.

DChess
05-21-2007, 02:23 AM
That's a bold prediction.

A) Because the Cardinals NEVER live up to their expectations

B) Miami still has no QB, or well no proven QB

I give you props though.

my basis off the miami pick was that they were 500 just a couple years ago, basically with the same team, and hopefully this year culpepper returnsto his old form.

arizona, i felt they were just a couple pieces away, and they got the main one in a RT. so if that doesnt work out, i have no idea what the hell is wrong with the cardinals

DeathbyStat
05-21-2007, 06:58 AM
The Bengals will surprise people and either win the superbowl or come extremely close.

Why? their defense is still awful.

23trufant
05-21-2007, 07:22 AM
I think the Bucs and Rams may suprise some people.

Staubach12
05-21-2007, 03:00 PM
There are several teams out there this year that have lots of potential.

I see Buffalo mentioned a lot as a team that could do well and get into the playoffs, though it'll be tough in that division. For those who say that, I don't see it. New England is a power-house, New York is a good team despite overacheiving last year, so it'll be tough. They need JP Losman to play very very well; and their defense to play well, too.

Denver isn't exactly a surprise to be a good team, but I see them having tons of success next season.

Green Bay may get into the playoffs. I see a big year for Favre, and their defense should be fine. If they can live up to potential, they'll be a good team.

I see Tampa Bay mentioned, though I don't see it. The fact is, Jeff Garcia just doesn't fit that system at all. He's a system QB, and it just won't work. From there, the entire offense won't work. I won't expect a ton from the defense, either. They're getting uo there in age despite their best efforts to add some youth to that roster. They're rebuilding right now, so I won't expect much from Tampa Bay.

San Francisco is a team that will be good if they can mesh that roster together. They have a lot of new faces on both sides of the ball. They're all very good talents, too. If this team can mesh like many think they can, then they're going to be one heck of a team. The one thing I question is if their offense can have as much success as they did last year without Norv Turner.

Arizona is mentioned every year. I'm on the edge of my seat waiting for them to just explode one of these years. Maybe this year, but this boy has cried wolf quite a few times, so I'm not going to be actively expecting success, but I'll keep an eye on them because they'll be good sooner or later.

diabsoule
05-21-2007, 03:41 PM
My picks are the 49ers, Packers, Cardinals, and Browns.

Chucky
05-21-2007, 03:43 PM
I see Tampa Bay mentioned, though I don't see it. The fact is, Jeff Garcia just doesn't fit that system at all. He's a system QB, and it just won't work. From there, the entire offense won't work. I won't expect a ton from the defense, either. They're getting uo there in age despite their best efforts to add some youth to that roster. They're rebuilding right now, so I won't expect much from Tampa Bay.


While Garcia is a system QB, he is a system QB for the WEST COAST OFFENCE, which is what the bucs run. Even though I think SImms will start anyways

PalmerToCJ
05-21-2007, 04:07 PM
Why? their defense is still awful.

Our biggest defensive liability (Tory James) has been replaced, Ahmad Brooks is ready to take over MLB along with Rashad Jeanty/Robert Geathers/Johnathan Joseph/Domata Peko continuing to grow. I think we've got a solid chance for a first round bye given how much easier our schedule is this year.

I like the Bills to surprise. Losman isn't as bad as most people think he is, I think they have the OROY in Lynch they have several new additions along with the maturation of several of their other young guys. I think they have a shot at the WC.

stl9erfan
05-21-2007, 04:18 PM
Bucs-- I would not be at all surprised if they bounced back this year for a 9-7 or 10-6 record with a trip to the playoffs. New blood on D, a bounceback year from Caddy, and maybe a solidified QB situation (either Simms or Garcia should step up).

Only thing that worries me is their WR. Galloway keeps getting older, and Clayton hasn't shown his rookie form in 2 years now.

awfullyquiet
05-21-2007, 04:35 PM
at least it's not the dolphins.

Paranoidmoonduck
05-21-2007, 04:37 PM
Um, the Oakland Raiders will surprise by not finishing 4th in the AFC West.

Flyboy
05-21-2007, 04:48 PM
Um, the Oakland Raiders will surprise by not finishing 4th in the AFC West.

I said in another thread I didn't see the Raiders finishing 4th. I have them finishing 3rd and having 5-6 wins.

Geo
05-21-2007, 04:51 PM
Lions are my NFC pick, Texans being the AFC pick for me. If I nail either I look like a genius, and odds are no one will remember if I am wrong on both counts.
Good luck with that.

TitleTown088
05-21-2007, 05:57 PM
My bold prediction: The Minnesota Vikings will win the NFC North.

Haha, thanks for the chuckle, I needed that.

jsagan77
05-21-2007, 06:13 PM
I like the Cards, Skins, Detroit and Jags...

Geo
05-21-2007, 06:16 PM
The NFC West picks, including some as division champs, are interesting. I'm this close to producing a write-up for the NFC West.

Flyboy
05-21-2007, 06:29 PM
You should do a NFC South one instead, Geo.

cunningham06
05-21-2007, 07:11 PM
While Garcia is a system QB, he is a system QB for the WEST COAST OFFENCE, which is what the bucs run. Even though I think SImms will start anyways

Chucky's right, Garcia is a good fit for their system. If the Bucs line can hold up in front of Garcia should he start he can probably do alright. If the line is mediocre get ready it'll be just like his days in Detroit. The reason he was so good last season with Philly was because he had all day to throw because the line really came together for the second half of the season.

Komp
05-21-2007, 07:58 PM
Wow surprised so many people are picking both the Rams and the Bucs to do well this year. I think they are both on the slide right now [even tho StL tore it up in the 2nd half], especially considering that both Carolina and Atlanta underachieved last year.

I am also going to go with Cincy as my dark horse pick. Their defense is suspect but they have been on the verge of a good playoff run the past couple years. I'd even venture a guess that they might beat one of the big two [Indy/NE] in the playoffs this year.

searchbot
05-22-2007, 01:31 AM
At this point, the Titans

simms2clayton
05-22-2007, 04:12 AM
AFC: JAX...they win the South

NFC: Bucs and 9ers get wild cards

PoopSandwich
05-22-2007, 08:30 AM
I think the 49'rs will win their division, maybe that won't be a surprise seeing as they came on last year but I really think they have a chance to be a great team.

Geo
05-22-2007, 12:44 PM
I am also going to go with Cincy as my dark horse pick. Their defense is suspect but they have been on the verge of a good playoff run the past couple years. I'd even venture a guess that they might beat one of the big two [Indy/NE] in the playoffs this year.
I'm not sure what exactly the Bengals are your dark horse for, but I'm guessing AFCCG contention. It seems to fit the rest of your description, and would make sense given the dark horse mention.

AFC: JAX...they win the South

NFC: Bucs and 9ers get wild cards
I think this is the third straight year that I've heard the Jags will win the South. I don't know, I'll have to see it. They need to stop dropping games to the Houston Texans, first of all. I've never understood how that continues to happen.

You should do a NFC South one instead, Geo.
Will do. I'm working on it now and then will do the NFC West write-up afterwards.

Addict
05-22-2007, 12:52 PM
At this point, the Titans

ehm... they still have no wide recievers.
why do I even bother doing this? Nobody reads this anyhow

CC.SD
05-22-2007, 01:01 PM
I think that the raiders might be a big surprise. Their line can block, they just need to be coached better.

With the additions they've made if at QB they can just manage the game they'll be competitive with that defense.

As for in the NFC, the Panthers will play strong if they're healthy. I also like the 49ers more and more every year.

This is pretty much my list too; the Raiders are my sleeper team. I think they'd be a playoff team in the NFC. Give them a couple years for Jamarcus to develop and lead that offense to at least a couple touchdowns a game, and that D will do the rest. I think they'll compete in the AFC eventually. Yes, it pains me to say it.

If Jake can get his head on straight I think the Panthers will be good, and like everyone else, I love what the 49ers are doing.

Geo
05-22-2007, 01:10 PM
The 2006 Raiders offense would still have struggled badly in the NFC imo; the team would have at the very least doubled their win total though. Of course, if the Cincinnati Bengals were in the NFC they would reach the Super Bowl, so maybe the point is moot.

Thankfully, the NFC is improving for the better. Teams are getting better, front offices are making better decisions, and more frauds are being exposed. It's still not near the level of the AFC, but the conference is definitely in an upswing and will continue to do so, I suspect.

Staubach12
05-22-2007, 01:48 PM
While Garcia is a system QB, he is a system QB for the WEST COAST OFFENCE, which is what the bucs run. Even though I think SImms will start anyways

Garcia has had success in more traditional west coast offenses, however, I don't see him having success in this one. Gruden's offense has a very original twist to it. The bootlegs are limited, the drops are usually 5-step drops, and he may be asked to hold the ball a bit longer. I just don't know if that really fits his style of play. Garcia needs quick drop backs, lots of out-of-the-pocket play, and he loves to get the ball out of his hands fairly quick. Whether he can adjust to the style of Gruden's offense is a big question for me.

High Roller
05-22-2007, 05:14 PM
Cowboys will be a big surprise and go deep into Playoffs.

frisby213
05-22-2007, 05:21 PM
Cowboys will be a big surprise and go deep into Playoffs.

Any team who was in the playoffs last year can't be a pick as a big surprise to win games and go deep in the playoffs. It's silly to bring something like that up...

adschofield
05-22-2007, 10:11 PM
almost everybody has the chance to go to the playoffs in the NFC.

BlindSite
05-22-2007, 11:00 PM
Not really

You'll see Philly, Dallas, Carolina, New Orleans, Chicago, Seattle.

Those teams are a cut above the rest in the NFC, the teams who'll be in the mix though:

GB, Atlanta and Arizona.

Moses
05-22-2007, 11:58 PM
Not really

You'll see Philly, Dallas, Carolina, New Orleans, Chicago, Seattle.

Those teams are a cut above the rest in the NFC, the teams who'll be in the mix though:

GB, Atlanta and Arizona.

How is Carolina a cut above? They finished 8-8 and didn't make the playoffs. The Giants at least made the playoffs.

TheChampIsHere
05-23-2007, 03:47 AM
If the Raiders pull it off theyd the ultimate surprise team. I cant see them doing it in that division tho

senormysterioso
05-23-2007, 03:01 PM
my unfounded, unsolicited pre-preseason predictions

NFC North- Green Bay Packers 10-6
NFC South- New Orleans Saints 12-4 (homefield throughout)
NFC East- New York Giants 11-5
NFC West- St Louis Rams 10-6
Wildcards- Philidelphia Eagles 9-7
- Carolina Panthers 9-7

AFC North- Cincinniti Bengals 12-4
AFC South- Indianapolis Colts 14-2
AFC East- New England Patriots 14-2 (homefield throughout)
AFC West- Denver Broncos 13-3
Wildcards- San Diego Chargers 11-5
- Miami Dolphins 9-7

Superbowl- New England 24 New Orleans 13

MVP- Tom Brady
Off P.O.Y- Tom Brady
Def P.O.Y- Champ Bailey
Off R.O.Y.- Calvin Johnson
Def R.O.Y- Patrick Willis
Coach of the Year- Scott Linehan

Moses
05-23-2007, 03:30 PM
my unfounded, unsolicited pre-preseason predictions

NFC North- Green Bay Packers 10-6
NFC South- New Orleans Saints 12-4 (homefield throughout)
NFC East- New York 11-5
NFC West- St Louis Rams 10-6
Wildcards- Philidelphia Eagles 9-7
- Carolina Panthers 9-7

AFC North- Cincinniti Bengals 12-4
AFC South- Indianapolis Colts 14-2
AFC East- New England Patriots 14-2 (homefield throughout)
AFC West- Denver Broncos 13-3
Wildcards- San Diego Chargers 11-5
- Miami Dolphins 9-7

MVP- Tom Brady
Off P.O.Y- Tom Brady
Def P.O.Y- Champ Bailey
Off R.O.Y.- Calvin Johnson
Def R.O.Y- Patrick Willis
Coach of the Year- Scott Linehan

I don't think the MVP and OPOY are ever the same person.

senormysterioso
05-23-2007, 05:29 PM
The last three years the AP MVP and the NFL OPY have been the same person. Manning, Alexander, and Tomlinson

draftguru151
05-23-2007, 05:40 PM
I'd be redonkulously surprised if Miami won 8 games, if they make the playoffs I'll go nuts.

BlindSite
05-23-2007, 05:41 PM
How is Carolina a cut above? They finished 8-8 and didn't make the playoffs. The Giants at least made the playoffs.

Carolina lost steve smith for two games, jake delhomme for three games, our left tackle, and centre for the season. Lost our LG (probowl) for about 4 games.
Lost our number 3 WR for 4 games, lost our starting cornerback for one game, lost our starting cornerbacks with the number 4 on the depth chart also injured for 6 games and we lost our starting strong safety for the better part of the year.

If Delhomme was healthy against New York or even for that matter Pitt the games would've been more interesting.

Right now, in that divison with carolina having so many issues they went 5-1. Plus we play the NFC West, where I can't see any team other than Seattle being able to be considered more impressive and our 2nd place finish means we miss out of playing the big contenders in the North and East.

Plus in the AFC we get the texans, jags, indianapolis and tennessee.

We've got a fairly easy schedule, there's not a decent defense that the team faces until like week 9 against GB.

Soft teams and a top 10 defense that has improved over an offseason is a recipe for success.