New England Patriots Discussion

[BradysKnee]

Who couldn't love this?
http://www.mediafire.com/imgbnc.php/9fb65303bde3584eb2214591019a17a76g.jpg

[Nalej]

haha nice pic

[Razor]

Rex Ryan responded to Brady: "I don't like Brady."

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Rex-Ryan-I-dont-like-Tom-Brady.html

Great stuff. Brady says something he's said before Ryan was there about the organization, and Ryan makes it personal. I love it. More fuel, baby. More fuel! September 19th will go down in history.

[Ozzy]

The Patriots offense will be back to normal this year.

Their collection of tight ends is sick, not only do they have Crumpler but they add two amazing rookies in Gronkowski and Hernandez. Both are great pass catching tight ends and Gronkowski provides a lot of size and potential as a run blocker as well. Brady is going to have a wonderful season with those two. Especially since Welker is back, and even if he cannot stay healthy Tate has potential to be a big play receiver and Edelman proved what he can do last season. Shoot totally forgot about Taylor Price, another real standout rookie


Ok so you got:

WR Moss, Welker, Edelman, Tate, Price and Aiken potentially. That is as good as any team, especially if Price and Tate play up to their potential.

TE Crumpler, Gronkowski and Hernandez, as good as any roster by far.




Much less the offensive line, Vollmer has a year under his belt and he should be a fine pass protector. The rest of the starters are solid and Ted Larsen and LeVoir are decent backups projects ontop of that.

The running game is finally ok as well, Fred Taylor is a great veteran to have and Maroney should continue his fine improved play off last season. And if that does not work Green-Ellis has show he is more than just a backup.


Patriots should have a fine season, really impressive and deep looking roster, far better and more dangerous than last season.




Defensively is the only question mark, slightly improved defensive line but was filled with washed up former stars in Lewis and Warren. Still decent though and Brace should have a fine year, he is a good player behind Wilfork. Still that outside pass rush is just sad with those outside linebackers. Not a fan of any of those guys, no dangerous at all. Inside they got something going though with Spikes, Mayo, Guyton, McKenzie and Williams. Maybe Cunningham from Florida can save that linebacker pass rush.

The defensive backs are ok, still not great though. Butler, Wilhite and McCourty have a lot of potential, Devin is by FAR better than his brother in Tennessee.




Should be a fun interesting year for the Patriots, and again that offense should flat out rock.

[Razor]

Out interior OL looks like a possible liability right now, but with Dante Scarnecchia coaching them up things should be just fine. He's one helluva coach.

I agree with most of what you said, but Wilhite does not have a lot of potential. He gave up 6 passing TDs last season, and looked awful when playing on the outside. His natural position is as a nickel or dime back, and that's where he's going to play from now on - if he makes the roster. On defense my only real concern at this point is the pass rush - or the lack of it. But with our ILBs I could see BB trying to use them as extra pass rushers since they are all good at blitzing. Most people have written the Patriots completely off as contenders, but I have a feeling that might be a mistake. Nice to see someone who's not a Patriot fan feeling the same way that most Patriots fans do.

[Jvig43]

What impressed me so far in these two pre season games has been the attitude of the team. The defense is running around pounding people, and I LOVE the fact that the O is trying to run the ball.

[Ozzy]

Razor: I agree with most of what you said, but Wilhite does not have a lot of potential. He gave up 6 passing TDs last season, and looked awful when playing on the outside. I agree, Wilhite is nothing amazing but I like him more potentially down the road than guys like Willingham and Arrington. But yes I agree he did get burnt big time last year, still has a chance to improve his abilities though. Then again with Butler, McCourty, Wheatley and Bodden Wilhite will probably get cut I guess possibly.

Seriously though, those outside backers are just awful pass rushers, clearly Crable turning out to be nothing really hurt them. And hell they have had Pierre Woods what seems like forever.



Just look at the 49ers, they had more outside linebackers that are quality and almost everyone they have could potentially start on the Patriots. Lawson, Haralson, Briggs, Brooks, LaBoy and Bruce Davis. Hell LaBoy could easily start on the Patriots.

Still could have worse problems and at least they got good inside guys.

[BradysKnee]

Glad to see Miami traded Camarillo.

[Razor]

Stephen Gostkowski just signed an extension through 2014, 4 year $14 mill (http://www.bostonherald.com/blogs/sports/rap_sheet/index.php/2010/08/25/the-patriots-and-kicker-stephen-gostkowski-reach-a-long-term-contract-extension/). Pretty nice deal for both sides. But I have to wonder when they'll get a deal done with Brady. I'm not getting nervous though - yet.

[Nalej]

Gostk's a beast. Glad he got extended. I have zero worries about Brady.
It's not a point of "if"... but of "when". It will happen.

Mankins though... zero hope of seeing him in a NE uniform again. Zero.

[Don Vito]

This Mankins thing sucks. The one positive is we can sell while the price is high, but we can't afford to lose our best OL.

[Jvig43]

This Mankins thing sucks. The one positive is we can sell while the price is high, but we can't afford to lose our best OL.

Might as well get what we can for him now before we get nothing.

[Nalej]

Anyone watch the game? It wasn't on locally for me.

WTF happened to our D? How did dead-arm Bradford throw all over us?!

Our running game regressed... but Tom and Co seemed fine (after a slow start)


I'm purely looking at stats and the recap I read on the game

[FlyingElvis]

It's on the DVR from NFLN's 11pm replay, but I worked and went to bed when I got home just after midnight.

I'll post my impressions after I watch it this weekend.

[Jvig43]

My impressions were pretty disappointed with how the defense played after being pretty impressed with the last two outings. Couldnt stop them on third down, couldnt get to the Qb, and everytime our DBs did something well, banta ******* cain would get us a roughing the passer flag to give them a fresh set of downs. The O didnt come out running like before and it took up until the end of the second to get anything good going. Outside of Gronkowski's awesome night, there wasnt a lot to be happy about.

GOOD: Brady made a nice play to crumpler after falling down, then getting it off at the last second while Crumpler somehow managed to snag it from out of bounds and make the Catch. Gronkowski had a big night and is exactly what we need from our TEs. Moss looked scary fast on his 64 yard TD grab, Glad Brady hit him on that one. Tate looked very impressive returning and made a couple grabs. Welker made a nice 39 yard catch, yay!

Bad: The running game didnt get started and our offense suffered from it at the start of the game. We really need to establish it if we want an effective offense. Our defense all around was very disappointing. No pass rush, had trouble stopping the run, couldnt stop the pass. There was no energy out there what so ever, a big change from the last two games weve seen. I hope BB rips them a new one for this performance, he wasnt pleased at halftime and he cant be pleased with them after the half. At least Brace showed signs of life out there with a handful of tackles and a sack. It would be nice to see him fill into that DE spot, but getting what we did from him last night is really ok with me when in comparison to last year.

[Don Vito]

I just wrote probably the lengthiest post I've had in a while in the preseason forum, thought I'd post it on here too. Someone said we could surprise people this year and this was my response.

I am concerned with talent along our OL (especially if/when Mankins is traded) and in our pass rush, but I think we will still have good units. I am worried about the running game and the pass rush on paper, but BB is looking for guys to step up I guess. Light could be serviceable at LT, Vollmer will be very good at RT, Koppen is aging at C, Neal is still a very good RG but he is oft injured, and Mankins probably won't play another game in a Pats uniform. Losing Mankins will hurt a lot considering he is our best OL, we will lose one of the best things our OL had in that they have played as a unit for so long, and now we will need an unproven guy in there. We don't really have any back up that stands out more than the rest, and certainly none of them are Logan Mankins.

I wanted to see a more balanced offense, the type that we won championships with, but it looks like we are going to have to rely on our passing game a lot. I think BJGE could be a very nice option at RB for us, he isn't very quick or explosive, but he is a powerful north-south guy. Fred Taylor could be productive if he stays healthy, but therein lies the problem. Maroney is Maroney, who knows what we will get out of him. Faulk is still a dependable third down guy but he is really getting up there in age. I think we have a decent group of runners; none of them are anything close to franchise backs but I think if our OL gels, the offense tries to run the ball more, and plays well then we could have a decent running game. But right now all signs point to a pass heavy offense.

On defense, Wilfork is a beast in the middle. Losing Ty Warren hurts and there is no debate about that, we will need some guys to step up. Gerard Warren has looked pretty good though. Mayo needs to stay healthy, and I think he will benefit from having Spikes next to him on running downs. Tyrone McKenzie and Gary Guyton look to be nice coverage backers for us, I am really excited to see what McKenzie can do. As for pass rushers, nobody really knows what to expect. Every Pats fan wanted us to add one of the big name rushers in the draft and we didn't, but we took Cunningham in the second. He is talented but I doubt he will be a big impact rookie, I do like what he could bring to this team though. TBC is a solid OLB in our defense. He isn't DeMarcus Ware, but he is a solid player. He might not be an ideal #1 pass rusher, but we are going to need someone to step up opposite him.

The secondary is young and very talented, they would really benefit from a pass rush.. Meriweather headlines the DB's, he had a very good year last year but still will make mistakes sometimes. Pat Chung has looked really good in pre-season, James Sanders is a smart and tough safety, and Brandon McGowan is a good safety in his own right. We have 4 safeties who could potentially be NFL starters and I am excited about that unit, they will all play but look for Meriweather and Chung to start. Bodden is our top corner and Butler will probably start opposite him, he needs to be more consistent but he has huge potential. McCourty will probably make his biggest impact on ST's but he will see a lot of time on defense too, I think he has a great future here. Wilhite, Wheatley, and Kyle Arrington will compete for the fourth and fifth spots while the odd man out could not make the team. I like our secondary a lot, but you could have two Revis' and two Ed Reed's back there, if a good NFL QB has more than 5 seconds to throw then you are in trouble.

This team looks more like the Pats teams of old with a lot of tough team oriented guys back in the fold. However; we have questions along the OL, at RB, and with our pass rush. I am much more excited about this team than last year's team though, we don't have the highest expectations right now so yes I do think we could surprise some people if some players step up.

[nepg]

Because of their ability to run 5 wide with Hernandez, Edelman, and Welker inside as a run proxy, I'm not worried about the running game at all. I don't think they need a running game, they just need a versatile passing attack with a ton of variations.

It's not the RBs, either. This team has rarely been able to run block well, and I just don't see that changing possibly ever.

Pass rush is a concern, but it's the preseason. They're not operating with their full playbook. We haven't seen how Belichick plans to address the problem schematically. I'll hold my breath for now.

[Don Vito]

Yeah but we need to have some sort of running game, we should have a top 5 passing game in the league but we need to have some balance. I'm really not concerned about the backs too much either, I just feel like if we committed ourselves to running the ball more we could run successfully and we would be a better team.

[Jvig43]

No way in hell do I want to give up on our run game. I think the amount of run plays we ran in the last two pre season games are perfect. It opens up the play action ten fold. Everyone knows our passing game is our biggest strength, we need to mix it up a little. Theres just so many more advantages running it will give our O, and were really not that terrible at it.

[proshoota25]

I am very disappointed with the result last night. Bradford looked like an all-pro out there due to the lack of any sort of pass rush. It was abysmal. A lot of dumb penalties as well that continued drives, especially that 3rd and long incompletion where TBC got 15 for roughing the passer. Gronkowski and Tate were very impressive.

[descendency]

Belichick said "in a game of no defense, we played less." OUCH.

[Jvig43]

Belichick said "in a game of no defense, we played less." OUCH.

Good, thats exactly what it was too. He needs to get a fire lit up under everyones ass, especially the defense. I want that attitude we played with previous two weeks back.

[FlyingElvis]

The major issues with the Rams game are correctable; namely weak effort and stupid penalties.

The offense looked sharp, though I would like to see more rushing, too. I've been raving about Gronk's blocking and hoping to see him utilized in the pass game . . . YAY! He should blow up this year. They need to get him into the game plan - hopefully this game makes that as clear to the staff as it did to everyone else watching.

The D looked sluggish but there were some bright spots. I'll have to serve myself a heaping pile of crow for what I'm about to say, but Brace looked great. I don't know how much of it was a weak guard for the Rams, but Brace was 3 yards deep all night with mostly bull rushes. He did blow through a seam twice, too.

I'm not sure how much of the poor defensive showing I believe, to be honest. I got the feeling the game was geared towards trying out BBs 3 safety sets. There also seemed to be a lot of shuffling of the lineman that looked like a calculated move to see if anyone could shine with the top team. I also think the opinion of the Rams is greatly exaggerated. I watched a bunch of their games last year b/c I love SJax. They suffered from an ailment similar to the Raiders - the only difference was the Rams QB wasn't hooked on the Purple Drank. Bad QB play can make a team look a lot worst than it is, and Bradford, even as a rookie, is a major upgrade.

[Jvig43]

Yeah, I gotta hand it to the kid, he played very well last night.

[Nalej]

I'm excited about the chance of Brace blowing up this year. He would solidify our DLine. That's great.

[Jvig43]

If the MRI comes back that he isnt seriously injured haha.

[Nalej]

I must have missed that... ugh...

[Nalej]

Just got a text message saying Braces mri brings good news

[Nalej]

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/419573-new-england-patriots-madden-2011-ratings#page/1

Madden 2011 ratings
I'm not buying the game but still an interesting read.
The starters are accurate (I don't think since we really don't know yet) but overall 'not bad'

[descendency]

How bad is our running game?

In three pre-season games, BJGE has 59 yards on 23 carries (2.6 ypc)

Maroney has 30 yards on 8 carries (all against NO). That includes a 13 yard run, so basically half of those yards came on one play. 7 carries netting 17 yards is 2.4 yards per carry. If you include that big run, he manages to get 3.75 yards per carry.

Fred Taylor only saw action in the Atlanta game, but did manage 54 yards on 11 carries. (5 ypc) Atlanta isn't a very good run defense team really.

Sammy Morris had 52 yards on 6 carries in Atlanta (8.7 yards per carry) against a pretty bad run defense in the Falcons, but only managed 12 yards on 5 carries in St Louis (2.4 yards per carry)

Kevin Faulk hasn't seen enough carries to care. He's been solid in the passing game though. (3 carries for 16 yards = 5.3 ypc)

The blocking has been great on the goal line otherwise, the running game wouldn't be getting anything. The NFL average for any season is around 4 ypc.

This has to be the leagues worst running back group. 5 backs behind a very good OL and the only good performances come against a bad run defense in Atlanta?

I hate to say it, but I have to wonder why we didn't put in more interest in a guy like Larry Johnson.

[Jvig43]

It didnt look bad against the saints despite the stats, but yeah we did nothing against the rams. Maybe its because we just came out operating in the shotgun? ehh idk, if Taylor can stay healthy I could see him doing well, Morris always does decent until he gets injured every year. Maroney is Maroney, and BJGE isnt going to dance around but isnt starting material. It isnt much but it can work, so long as we are dedicated to do it more. I mean outside of the 2004 dillion year, we never had an amazing running game this decade. Wouldnt be surprised to take a RB early in the draft next year.

[FlyingElvis]

To be fair, we run the type of offense that uses the pass to open up the run. As such, our Oline is not asked to be the mauling, road-grater types and that always has an impact on a group's mentality. Ask them to stand back and run block all the time and the smashmouth attitude required to hammer the ball like the Ravens or Jets doesn't come flourish.

That's not to say we don't need a long term RB solution. It's just that the RBs we have are not entirely to blame.

[descendency]

Under 3 yards per carry is embarrassing, regardless of offense.

The OL and TEs (especially Gronkowski) are doing a great job of being athletic and getting to the second level to block out LBs. BJGE runs into the backs of his blockers though. Maroney can't make his mind up. Taylor and Faulk are very good runners who are getting too much age on them. Morris is a pretty big injury risk, but is effective when he's in the game.

I almost wish they would package a 1st round pick for Steven Jackson or something. Maybe a second rounder. I'd gladly give up both first rounders for Jackson and Chris Long...

[Babylon]

Under 3 yards per carry is embarrassing, regardless of offense.

The OL and TEs (especially Gronkowski) are doing a great job of being athletic and getting to the second level to block out LBs. BJGE runs into the backs of his blockers though. Maroney can't make his mind up. Taylor and Faulk are very good runners who are getting too much age on them. Morris is a pretty big injury risk, but is effective when he's in the game.

I almost wish they would package a 1st round pick for Steven Jackson or something. Maybe a second rounder. I'd gladly give up both first rounders for Jackson and Chris Long...

Throwing in Chris Long would be worth it to me but i doubt the Rams are looking to get rid of two of their better players for picks.

As for the running game it is what it is, if they can move the ball through the air and can get 3 yds in short yardage then they'll be fine. The other side of the ball is the trouble area.

[nepg]

You kind of have to ignore the stats when it comes to running the ball with this team. Sure, they might have a few games where they're just ON and light it up running the ball, but they really just use it as a utility to supplement the passing game.

[BradysKnee]

It's preseason. Nuff said. No gameplanning individual or team goes into this. All you can really look into pre season in my opinion is individual performances.

[Nalej]

Yea, and the indivisual performances of our RBs is lackluster.

[proshoota25]

today was one of the cut down days.... havent seen who has gotten cut yet. does anyone know?

[proshoota25]

lmao brandon spikes apparently has a sex tape

[Don Vito]

lmao brandon spikes apparently has a sex tape

Yeah I saw that on barstool haha, it said it wasn't him but apparently his agent has been supporting him saying it was him and he is sorry. Too funny.

[proshoota25]

Leigh Bodden is out for the year....

[proshoota25]

today was one of the cut down days.... havent seen who has gotten cut yet. does anyone know?

In addition to Bodden, the Patriots placed defensive lineman Darryl Richard (foot) and safeties Bret Lockett (chest) and Josh Barrett on season-ending injured reserve.

The team also waived rookie cornerback Terrence Johnson.

The moves helped the Patriots get down to the league-mandated 75-man limit.

---http://sports.espn.go.com/boston/nfl/news/story?id=5517497

[Don Vito]

Leigh Bodden is out for the year....

Well that's wonderful. He didn't look good in preseason but it still sucks regardless.

[Nalej]

Ouch. How does a Butler/McCourty tandem sound? Growing pains.
I think this means we keep both Whilhite and Wheatley.
Losing Richards sucks too. Our depth was sketchy from tje get go.

[descendency]

I wonder if Kaczur makes it back to the 53 man roster or goes to IR. . . our depth this year could be awful.

[FlyingElvis]

We are in trouble heading into the season with guys already out. We had terrible depth to begin with and now we're one injury away from pulling guys off the street later in the season.

[AntoinCD]

Yep I gotta be honest Im worrying big time now. If we lose one more guy on the defensive line we are gonna be really stretched. If either Butler or McCourty get hurt that means Wilhite will be back starting and that just sucks big time

[descendency]

We are in trouble heading into the season with guys already out. We had terrible depth to begin with and now we're one injury away from pulling guys off the street later in the season.

Which is still better than the jets are, because it looks like they need to pull guys off the street already.

[BradysKnee]

Earthwind Moreland FTW!

[FlyingElvis]

Which is still better than the jets are, because it looks like they need to pull guys off the street already.

I'm not overly concerned about the division, though. Beating the top teams in the conference is another story altogether.

[ThePudge]

Week One is right around the corner and I'd like to get some info out of you Pats fans.

1) Be honest, can you cover Chad/T.O./Shipley/Gresham? I know your secondary just took a hit when Bengal-killer Leigh Bodden went down & now it's up to Devin McCourty to play quicker than originally anticipated.

2) What kind of heat are you going to put on my man Carson? I know New England's D has lost some off it's old talent & tenacity, but the Bengals offense really revolves around Palmer getting the time he needs to throw. Who's bringing the heat & how many blitzes can my boys expect to see.

3) Is Wes Welker going to be in the starting lineup? He's on my fantasy team (hell yeah) and I'd imagine could give the Bengals D fits. If he's in, it'll likely be Johnathan Joseph covering him for the most part.

4) Is your line going to be strong enough to throw Cincinnati's big uglies around? I know Sebastian Vollmer showed up looking like a stud last year & most of the rest of the line looks plenty solid, but can they handle three downs of Domata Peko inside all game? Any chance Antwan Odom overpowers Vollmer?

5) How will the Patriots stop Ced? Their DL & LB core have been re-vamped in the past three years or so and I'm not really sure how quickly the new guys can get upfield to stop the run. Benson is a very patient runner who likes to stay behind his massive blockers then explode through the hole. I know Jerod Mayo can come up & meet him, but what else is stopping Ced from controlling the pace of the game and running for 100+ yards?

[FlyingElvis]

Week One is right around the corner and I'd like to get some info out of you Pats fans.

1) Be honest, can you cover Chad/T.O./Shipley/Gresham?
Honestly, yes. But, since the answer to Q#2 is "not much" I would have to add that we can't cover any of them long enough. No defensive backfield can.

2) What kind of heat are you going to put on my man Carson?
Most likely not much. The blitz will come from all points on the field. ILB, OLB, S. But the DLine is a major question mark and Tully Banta Cain is still our best pass rush, until someone else steps up to claim that title. Yikes.

3) Is Wes Welker going to be in the starting lineup?
Yes. He's good to go and has already be the focus of targets, screens, etc. He's also been drilled once or twice by defenders. He looks 100%.

4) Is your line going to be strong enough to throw Cincinnati's big uglies around?
Pressure up the middle is the biggest weakness. 3-4, especially, as Koppen is small(ish) and aging at the center position. But this ain't your grandpappy's smashmouth team either. The run will come in the form of short passes, delays and draws so there's no real need to push anybody around. The more important question is can your big uglies push this line into Brady's lap?

5) How will the Patriots stop Ced?
Hopefully Brandon Spikes. He is the complementary ILB we've been hoping for to free Mayo. We'll find out pretty quickly if he can be the thumper many of us wanted when we were clamoring for Maulalauagjkalsaaa.

[Razor]

5) How will the Patriots stop Ced? Their DL & LB core have been re-vamped in the past three years or so and I'm not really sure how quickly the new guys can get upfield to stop the run. Benson is a very patient runner who likes to stay behind his massive blockers then explode through the hole. I know Jerod Mayo can come up & meet him, but what else is stopping Ced from controlling the pace of the game and running for 100+ yards?

I think FlyingElvis answered just fine, but I'd like to add something.

I think it's fair to say that the Patriots defense is pretty well coached (all of the team is, but I digress). Our DL will two gap your OL, our OLBs will set the edge (or at least try to) which leads to Ced having to run between the tackles (or at least, that's the idea). Spikes and Mayo will be there to greet him, and, if given enough time, so will our safeties. I'm not as concerned about our run defense as I am of our pass defense. Last year (you know, when we couldn't stop the run /sarcasm) we only gave up 6 rushing TDs but 25 (!!!!!) passing TDs. I think that speaks volumes about where this defense is. And with no solution to the lack of pass rush apparent I have no reason to believe this year will be any different. I think that game against the Bengals will tell us all a lot about the possibilities of the team this year. The real question is, are your guys ready for the aerial attack the Pats are going to bring? Moss looks poised for a big year, so does Brady. Welker is back plus we now have a third AND a fourth receiver - and possibly also our fifth receiver in Taylor Price. Add to that Hernandez, Gronkowski and Crumpler and the Bengals D# has their hands full.

[Wootylicous]

Can't wait to see my first pats game this season!

[Jvig43]

Our defense sucks..........

[luckyjackaubrey]

Our OLBs surely do. Not one of them would make the field back when we were dominating. Tully obviously did, but he was quicker and more of a project they used as depth. The fact we rely on this guy as our #1 pressure weapon is sad.

It will be a very long year watching Tom have to continously come back from deficits this D will create. We will be above average, but any playoff run will end with the D not getting the job done.

[Matthew Jones]

A few cuts that I thought were interesting, and some comments:

Saints cut RB Ladell Betts

Pretty good short yardage back over the course of his career. New England sometimes has trouble picking up tough yards (as demonstrated in the Giants game this week), so potentially he'd be a consideration. If he were to land on the Patriots, it'd probably be after an injury (perhaps Sammy Morris' annual injury?)

Chiefs cut OG Dan Santucci

Santucci can play a little bit of center as well as guard, and played for Charlie Weis in college. Came to the Chiefs kind of late and apparently didn't really make much of an impression. Possible depth option for the team down the road.

Falcons cut DT Dan Klecko

I don't know how much he still has in the tank, but he's worth mentioning because of his long tenure in New England. We're also very thin on the defensive line, so potentially we're looking to add more guys. Also can play some fullback in a pinch.

Eagles cut DE Pannel Egboh

I was a fan of Egboh coming out because he's tall with the frame to add on some weight, but has bounced around so far in the NFL. Worth mentioning because of the defensive line problems. Also, hasn't tried his hand in a 3-4 defense yet.

Saints cut DE Bobby McCray

McCray is a decent pass rusher and somewhat of a surprise cut from the Saints this year. At 6'6", 260, seems to have the size Belichick looks for in a linebacker. I don't know if he has any experience dropping into coverage, but he should probably be looked into a bit.

49ers cut LB Bruce Davis

Davis had a chance on the Patriots once before but was cut. I'm bringing him up because we're still lacking outside linebackers and Belichick might want to get a few more bodies into practice to try and draw something out of someone.

Cardinals cut LB Cody Brown

Brown is a guy that, coming out, a lot of people thought the Patriots might have been interested in. Comes from UConn, and Belichick personally visited their Pro Day the year Brown came out. Was on injured reserve last year, and being cut this quickly after the Cardinals invested a second-round pick in him is a big flag.

Chiefs cut CB Mike Richardson

Richardson has been signed to the Patriots a few different times if I remember correctly. Notable for having played under Weis, and also for having a ridiculously fast cone drill pre-draft. Also held Calvin Johnson to 2-14-0 in college. Patriots really need some cornerbacks, too.

[Matthew Jones]

Didn't make the team:

RB Thomas Clayton
WR Darnell Jenkins
LB Eric Alexander

Great news today though, the Broncos have decided to release Jarvis Green without him having played a game for them. Very surprising, but hopefully Belichick gets him back in New England as soon as possible. He would be perfect for our line rotation. Also, in other Patriots-related news, Dolphins have released Pat White and the Chargers released WR Josh Reed.

[Jvig43]

Gaaaaah get green back now, we need some depth on that line. Oh please please please.

[nepg]

Wow. Eric Alexander. Always liked him.

I think Pat White will go play baseball now that he's failed as a QB. He basically refused to play WR.

[proshoota25]

waiting to hear others, including zach robinson

[Matthew Jones]

List of Patriots who have been cut:

QB Zac Robinson
RB Thomas Clayton
WR Darnell Jenkins
WR Rod Owens
TE Carson Butler
TE Rob Myers
OL Eric Ghiaciuc
OL Rich Ohrnberger
OL Ted Larsen
OL Thomas Welch
DL Damione Lewis
LB Eric Alexander

[Jvig43]

List of Patriots who have been cut:

QB Zac Robinson
RB Thomas Clayton
WR Darnell Jenkins
WR Rod Owens
TE Carson Butler
TE Rob Myers
OL Eric Ghiaciuc
OL Rich Ohrnberger
OL Ted Larsen
OL Thomas Welch
DL Damione Lewis
LB Eric Alexander

These guys I didnt see getting the cut but weird.

[Matthew Jones]

Updated list of Patriots cuts, Pierre Woods among them. An (x) before their name indicates I expected they would make the 53-man roster.

QB Zac Robinson
RB Thomas Clayton
WR Darnell Jenkins
WR Rod Owens
TE Carson Butler
TE Rob Myers
OL Eric Ghiaciuc
(x)OL Rich Ohrnberger
(x)OL Ted Larsen
OL Thomas Welch
DL Damione Lewis
LB Eric Alexander
(x)LB Pierre Woods
DB Ross Ventrone
DB DeAngelo Willingham

Also, here's a list of some more notable cuts that could affect New England:

TE Davon Drew (Baltimore)
TE Garrett Mills (Minnesota)
TE Spencer Havner (Green Bay)
DE Jarvis Green (Denver)
DE Alex Hall (New York Giants)
DE Jay Richardson (Oakland)
CB Ramzee Robinson (Washington)

I'm just guessing on most of those guys, but the Patriots were mad that Minnesota swiped Garrett Mills, so he could be a consideration, even though there's not really a lot of room for him. Jarvis Green is the obvious big name here and I bet he'll be back, or at least that New England will call them. The Patriots also put in a claim on Alex Hall when he was waived but didn't get him.

[Matthew Jones]

Patriots have cut Derrick Burgess. Surprising, but he looked terrible this preseason after missing camp and probably would have hurt more than helped anyways. We need rushers badly though.

[Matthew Jones]

Sam Aiken has reportedly been cut, another surprise. Apparently they are looking to go with Patrick Chung in his place on special teams.

[Matthew Jones]

Christopher Price reporting Pats have "genuine interest" in Jarvis Green.

[Matthew Jones]

Couple more interesting bits: the Eagles have reportedly cut WR Kelley Washington, so he could potentially get some interest from New England as a special teams contributor. Also, Ray Ventrone has made the Cleveland Browns in a nice story.

[Matthew Jones]

Patriots have cut DB Sergio Brown. I know a bunch of people on here were hoping he'd make the team. I think he'll be on the practice squad if he clears waivers.

[Matthew Jones]

Final 53-man roster:

1.QB Tom Brady
2.QB Brian Hoyer
3.RB Kevin Faulk
4.RB BenJarvus Green-Ellis
5.RB Laurence Maroney
6.RB Sammy Morris
7.RB Fred Taylor
8.WR Julian Edelman
9.WR Randy Moss
10.WR Taylor Price
11.WR Matt Slater
12.WR Brandon Tate
13.WR Wes Welker
14.TE Alge Crumpler
15.TE Rob Gronkowski
16.TE Aaron Hernandez
17.OT Nick Kaczur
18.OT Mark LeVoir
19.OT Matt Light
20.OT Sebastian Vollmer
21.OG Dan Connolly
22.OG Stephen Neal
23.OG Ryan Wendell
24.C Dan Koppen
25.DE Brandon Deaderick
26.DE Ron Brace
27.DE Kyle Love
28.DE Gerard Warren
29.DE Mike Wright
30.NT Myron Pryor
31.NT Vince Wilfork
32.LB Tully Banta-Cain
33.LB Jermaine Cunningham
34.LB Dane Fletcher
35.LB Gary Guyton
36.LB Jerod Mayo
37.LB Tyrone McKenzie
38.LB Marques Murrell
39.LB Rob Ninkovich
40.LB Brandon Spikes
41.LB Tracy White
42.CB Kyle Arrington
43.CB Darius Butler
44.CB Devin McCourty
45.CB Terrence Wheatley
46.CB Jonathan Wilhite
47.S Patrick Chung
48.S Brandon Meriweather
49.S Jarrad Page (potentially has roster exemption)
50.S James Sanders
51.K Stephen Gostkowski
52.P Zoltan Mesko
53.LS Jake Ingram

Do not count towards roster:

OT Quinn Ojinnaka (suspended one game)
DE Darryl Richard (injured reserve)
DE Ty Warren (injured reserve)
DE Kade Weston (injured reserve)
CB Leigh Bodden (injured reserve)
S Josh Barrett (injured reserve)
S Bret Lockett (injured reserve)
S Brandon McGowan (injured reserve)

List of cuts:

WR Sam Aiken, LB Eric Alexander, S Sergio Brown, LB Derrick Burgess, OL George Bussey, TE Carson Butler, RB Thomas Clayton, WR Buddy Farnham, WR Darnell Jenkins, OL Ted Larsen, TE Rob Myers, OL Rich Ohrnberger, WR Rod Owens, QB Zac Robinson, RB Chris Taylor, DB Ross Ventrone, OL Thomas Welch, LB Thomas Williams, CB DeAngelo Willingham and LB Pierre Woods.

[Matthew Jones]

Albert Breer reporting that "something is brewing" with James Sanders. Pretty surprised by this, I was kind of hoping New England would keep him on board as insurance for an injury to either Chung or Meriweather.

[Matthew Jones]

Patriots have traded a conditional draft pick to Philadelphia for LB Tracy White. Updating the roster a couple posts up.

[Matthew Jones]

Last roster cuts are in:

RB Chris Taylor
WR Buddy Farnham
OT George Bussey
LB Thomas Williams

Also, S Brandon McGowan to IR with a chest injury. Very sad that Bussey and especially Williams didn't make it. I'll update the post with the 53-man roster.

[descendency]

Albert Breer reporting that "something is brewing" with James Sanders. Pretty surprised by this, I was kind of hoping New England would keep him on board as insurance for an injury to either Chung or Meriweather.

With McGowan on IR, Sanders won't likely be traded

[Matthew Jones]

Thoughts on the roster moves today:

I was a little surprised to see the Patriots carry five running backs, but at the same time I'm glad BenJarvus made the team, as he's a pretty hard runner. I'm also very glad that Laurence Maroney didn't get the axe, he has a reasonable salary this year (the final year on his deal) and is only 25.

Sam Aiken's spot as personal protector on special teams has been taken by Patrick Chung. Matthew Slater will remain on the roster as a gunner. The team probably kept Taylor Price over Darnell Jenkins because Price was drafted with a higher pick - supposedly Price has shown an inability to beat jams in the NFL, while Jenkins was making some big plays this preseason.

Belichick must not have been very happy with his backup offensive line - he cut three linemen who were drafted this year (Bussey, Larsen, and Welch) and one from last year (Ohrnberger.) Personally, I was hoping Ohrnberger and maybe Bussey would make it. It looks like Ohrnberger and Larsen were beat out by Wendell for the G/C swing spot, Bussey by Ojinnaka for the G/T swing spot, and Welch by LeVoir for a backup tackle role. It's encouraging that Nick Kaczur wasn't moved to injured reserve, though – we might see him again this year.

I'm pretty surprised New England ended up keeping Kyle Love on the defensive line, although I don't think he'll last very long. I'd be pretty shocked if New England didn't make a serious push to replace him on the roster with Jarvis Green, who was cut by Denver without having played a game. That's not encouraging, but the Damione Lewis project failed, and supposedly Belichick wanted him to fill the role that Green had in the past.

Lots of moves made at linebacker today and I'm not sure if I like them. I can see why Belichick would cut Burgess (not a great locker room guy from the sound of things and clearly didn't have much to offer on the field anymore), but I was saddened to see Eric Alexander and Pierre Woods get walking papers. It seems New England is filling Alexander's spot with Tracy White, and Burgess' spot with Marques Murrell. Thomas Williams is another player I was rooting for, and he ended up losing a spot to Dane Fletcher, an undrafted free agent.

Looks like New England traded for Jarrad Page in order to replace Brandon McGowan in the “big nickel.” Page should be nice in that role. It also appears New England was trying to move James Sanders, but so far nothing has come of that. I'm hoping they won't just give him away – he knows the system inside and out and is good insurance in case something happens to either Chung or Meriweather. Sergio Brown not making the team was also disappointing, I was rooting for him.

[proshoota25]

i dont think price was ever in jeapordy of getting cut over someone by darnell jenkins

[FlyingElvis]

Patriots have traded a conditional draft pick to Philadelphia for LB Tracy White. Updating the roster a couple posts up.

Which explains why I saw his name and thought "Who the **** is that?"

*****

Don't be surprised when Murrell is our week one starter. He was in the screen alot in the Saints game on D and ST.

Green coming back wouldn't surprise me and I'd be happy with that move.

I'm surprised with the cuts along the Oline, but I forgot about Levoir and Nick not going to IR must have a lot to do with that, too. Bussey was an 09 draft choice.

[Matthew Jones]

Don't be surprised when Murrell is our week one starter. He was in the screen alot in the Saints game on D and ST..

I think it all depends on whether or not Jermaine Cunningham is up to speed on the defense - supposedly he's looking like he'll be back in week one, so if he has a good grasp on the defense, Belichick might want him to take the start.

[FlyingElvis]

The day BB wants a rookie to start at OLB is the day I eat my Ty Law jersey. lol

But I hope your high expectations for Cunningham work out for us.

[Nalej]

Not a Ty Law jersey!

[Razor]

Shawn Crable is back with the Patriots! He was signed to the practice squad today. I like the move tbh, maybe he'll finally get his act together.

[Matthew Jones]

New England claimed offensive tackle Steve Maneri from the Houston Texans today. Wonder who's going to be cut in order to let him on the roster? My guess is Kyle Love. Patriots have also signed OG Rich Ohrnberger and DB Sergio Brown to the practice squad. Unfortunately, Tampa Bay claimed OL Ted Larsen and Seattle claimed QB Zac Robinson.

I like the return of Crable. He has at least some experience in the system (even if none of it was actually on the field), and I always wanted to see him suit up and play. I remember he wasn't bad in the preseason one year, so hopefully he can eventually make it onto the active roster. I think he's one guy we all wanted to see succeed when he was last with the team.

[Matthew Jones]

Mike Reiss is reporting that WR Darnell Jenkins has been signed to the practice squad.

[Razor]

Mike Reiss is reporting that ILB Tyrone McKenzie has been waived by the team. WTF is going on here?!?

[proshoota25]

http://espn.go.com/blog/boston/new-england-patriots/post/_/id/4682774/patriots-waive-ilb-tyrone-mckenzie

yep, nice call razor. this sucks

[proshoota25]

im pretty mad about this actually. i think they could have gotten something of value, like atleast a late round pick. what a waste of a high pick

[Nalej]

wow, didn't see that coming
he must not look the same post-injury

[Patriots_QB_12]

Well.. with Dane Fletcher making the team, it cant come as a big surprise that they trimmed Mckenzie.

Also, Lagarrette Blount was cut. a couple of us wanted him in the later rounds of the draft (if i recall). Think we'll target him? (despite the 5 rbs already on roster)

[Nalej]

Jets picked up J.Gilbert from the Bears.
I loved him coming out and thought he could be a beastly 5 tech

I'd love if we picked up Blount.

[descendency]

Mike Reiss is reporting that ILB Tyrone McKenzie has been waived by the team. WTF is going on here?!?

5 ILBs is pretty dumb and McKenzie is already being outperformed by Spikes and Mayo, Guyton, and Fletcher on passing downs. Plus the Patriots added a special teamer in Tracy White

[BradysKnee]

You guys gotta realize the roles here. Mackenzie was drafted to do what Spikes is doing now. Spikes is playing better and not coming off of a knee injury. I like him, but I don't know if keeping a roster spot for him to develop is worth it when Spikes is clearly the guy for his role.

[Don Vito]

I really feel bad for McKenzie, I was high on him. That sucks for him.

I would absolutely love picking up Blount. He

[proshoota25]

im all for picking up blount and dropping BJGE

[Don Vito]

I would drop Maroney before I'd drop BJGE

[Nalej]

I wouldn't go that far.

[Patriots_QB_12]

Neither would I, but I think we could really use him, and BJGE is probably the person we'd cut. Preseason definately showed how badly we need to give red bulls to the running backs.

[AntoinCD]

Im not sure about picking up Blount to be honest. Outside of CJ2K the Titans dont have great RB and their depth is not too hot either. Cutting Blount doesn't seem good. He made a few nice runs in preseason but really showed a lack of burst and he doesn't know the Pats system. I would prefer to keep BJGE

[Jvig43]

I would drop Maroney before I'd drop BJGE

Seriously, idk why were even hanging onto the guy. At times he looked better in games last year, only to go and fumble on the yard line it seemed every single game. He dances too much, fumbles too much, if we were to drop anyone itd be him imo. BJGE runs straight ahead, Morris and Taylor are injury prone so I wouldnt be surprised to see either of them cut, and Maroney just is awful.

[Don Vito]

Getting a feel for new safety Jarrad Page. “He’s played in the league, we played against him, he’s been a productive player. I’m glad we got him. I think he’ll be a good addition to the group. I think he’ll help us. It looks like he’s been able to do some different things in the past and we’ll see how all that fits in with us.”

http://espn.go.com/blog/boston/new-england-patriots/post/_/id/4682792/quick-hits-from-bill-belichick-3

Did we pick up Jarrad Page? He's a pretty good safety but we are already very stacked at the position.

[proshoota25]

http://espn.go.com/blog/boston/new-england-patriots/post/_/id/4682792/quick-hits-from-bill-belichick-3

Did we pick up Jarrad Page? He's a pretty good safety but we are already very stacked at the position.

yes we traded for him. but mcgowan is out for the year, so with page in the mix, we are still 4 deep

[Don Vito]

I didn't even know about McGowan or Page, wow. He has starting experience and some nice tools to work with and with McGowan out I like that move.

[Razor]

It's a great move by BB, but I'm still curious to find out what he cost us.

[nepg]

He's a great special teams player, and can pull off the McGowan role pretty well.

[descendency]

I am still wondering why we traded for Tracy White . . .

[proshoota25]

http://sports.espn.go.com/boston/nfl/news/story?id=5540944

here we go

[Jvig43]

Ok, can we please start shelling out some ******* money to our big guys now? Why can every other team just throw around as much money as they want and sign guys, and we cant even get a deal done with one (besides Wilfork). Brady should of been signed to a huuuuge contract months ago, the guy has been so underpaid. Pay Mankins, pay Brady, pay Moss, ugh im frustrated haha.

[Nalej]

Exactly. I look at the Jets (Revis, Mangold, DBrick) and all their off-season acquisitions and wonder why we can only manage to sign Wilfork.

[AntoinCD]

Because the Jets only have a few players worth paying and have put all their eggs in one basket. The Patriots need to worry about Brady, Mankins, Moss, Welker, Mayo, Merriweather etc. They are building for the future while competing now. The Jets are building for now

[Razor]

Tom Brady's deal with NE is imminent. (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/09/07/report-tom-brady-extension-is-imminent/)

Reports are saying a 3-year $58 mill contract, but I'm not sure if it's an extension of his current contract which would lock him up through 2014. Great news anyways.

EDIT: In other news:
Mike Reiss is reporting that McKenzie cleared waivers and is now on the Patriots practice squad. Good for him and us, maybe he's still got a chance then.

[AntoinCD]

Great news. Now all they need is to get Moss resigned and get a first round pick for Mankins.

That way this time next year you could have deals for Brady, Moss, Welker, the TEs, Vollmer etc then in the draft pick up Robert Quinn, Cameron Heyward and Julio Jones in the first, Jacquizz Rodgers and Kris O'Dowd in the second. It's that easy.

[Jvig43]

Yes, that actually isnt a bad contract for either side, now go get Mankins and Moss taken care of.

[Don Vito]

Robert Quinn, Cameron Heyward and Julio Jones in the first, Jacquizz Rodgers and Kris O'Dowd in the second. It's that easy.

Geeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeew that would be nasty

[Nalej]

Get Moss signed!

[Razor]

Get Moss signed!

Hell yeah!

[proshoota25]

Great news. Now all they need is to get Moss resigned and get a first round pick for Mankins.

That way this time next year you could have deals for Brady, Moss, Welker, the TEs, Vollmer etc then in the draft pick up Robert Quinn, Cameron Heyward and Julio Jones in the first, Jacquizz Rodgers and Kris O'Dowd in the second. It's that easy.

i think i would splooge in my pants lol

[descendency]

I'm sorry to tell Moss, but there is no way I pay him. He's one of my favorite players and I still think he is the best WR of all time (or at the very least, a close second). But I'm not giving a dime to a 34 year old WR.

[descendency]

Not to bust any bubbles but...

Ron Borges and Karen Guregian of the Boston Herald report that it's a three-year, $58 million extension.

This is the same Ron Borges that said:
“On a day when they could have had impact players David Terrell or Koren Robinson or the second-best tackle in the draft in Kenyatta Walker, they took Georgia defensive tackle Richard Seymour, who had 1 sack last season in the pass-happy SEC and is too tall to play tackle at 6-6 and too slow to play defensive end. This genius move was followed by trading out of a spot where they could have gotten the last decent receiver in Robert Ferguson and settled for tackle Matt Light, who will not help any time soon.”

I'll believe it when I see it.

[Don Vito]

That quote is pure gold.

[Nalej]

Sigged....

[nepg]

I'm sorry to tell Moss, but there is no way I pay him. He's one of my favorite players and I still think he is the best WR of all time (or at the very least, a close second). But I'm not giving a dime to a 34 year old WR.

I'd pay him just to prove him wrong. The guy dogs it so hard, he's preserved his body... He can play another 3-4 years.

[AntoinCD]

I would pay him, if he was willing to take an incentive laden deal instead of a big guranteed deal. He has been nothing short of the perfect teammate in NE. Even when Brady went down, even when playing through a separated shoulder for most of last year etc. Plain and simple he hasn't been the lockerroom cancer most thought he would have been and he is the one who the offense goes through. Without defenses doubling him every single play then Welker doesn't get as much room. Give him a 2 year deal with targets to hit

[Razor]

We should keep Moss (almost) no matter the cost. Imo he's still the best receiver in the game, and without him our offense would be very average. Sign him for another three years and draft a young stud receiver who will eventually take over for him (enter AJ Green).

[Don Vito]

We should keep Moss (almost) no matter the cost. Imo he's still the best receiver in the game, and without him our offense would be very average. Sign him for another three years and draft a young stud receiver who will eventually take over for him (enter AJ Green).

I think that is the ideal situation as well, but we will have a ton of receivers if we do that. It is definitely logical and doable; but that would give us Moss, a high pick rookie, Welker, Edelman, Tate, and Price. I would love to see us pick an AJ Green type of player, but I think we will re-sign Moss and stick with what we have at WR. We just drafted those two young TE's as well and Hernandez figures to be a big part of the passing game.

I have been wanting for us to look at a future #1 wideout in the upcoming draft for a while, but I think the most likely and logical thing to do would to be to look at our more pressing needs at OL, DL, OLB, and RB. Then again we haven't even started the season and the draft is a long ways away, so a lot could change.

[Razor]

I think that is the ideal situation as well, but we will have a ton of receivers if we do that. It is definitely logical and doable; but that would give us Moss, a high pick rookie, Welker, Edelman, Tate, and Price. I would love to see us pick an AJ Green type of player, but I think we will re-sign Moss and stick with what we have at WR. We just drafted those two young TE's as well and Hernandez figures to be a big part of the passing game.

I have been wanting for us to look at a future #1 wideout in the upcoming draft for a while, but I think the most likely and logical thing to do would to be to look at our more pressing needs at OL, DL, OLB, and RB. Then again we haven't even started the season and the draft is a long ways away, so a lot could change.

I completely agree with this. I don't think we'll draft a top WR next year because of the young guys we have. It would, however, be smart to do so when you have QB like Tom Brady. However, BB will most likely look to upgrade the lines and OLB in the coming draft and maybe (but likely) at RB. I have no illusions of BB drafting a top WR, but I'm hoping for it anyways.

[Jvig43]

I was watching mohegan (spelling?) sun late night last night and the two idiots that run that show were just ripping Moss and saying how there is no way we shouldnt resign him he isnt worth it blah blah blah. I think in the end we will offer him a contract but hell end up going to a team who pays him more, unless we offer him an extension now while we can.

[Jvig43]

ksjfhaklefglkgdfa ******* ESPN, covering Bradys contract some ******* joe shmoe goes, what does it mean for the contracts of the upper tier Qbs like Peyton Manning and Drew Brees. fkjlghlksfjghs ******* prick. At least shefter after wards said how Brady and Manning are always considered number one and two. So annoying.


Edit: This makes me feel better if you read the end of the article.

http://espn.go.com/blog/BostonNew-England-Patriots/post/_/id/4682894/more-jets-talk-from-brady

Go ******* get em Brady.

[FlyingElvis]

The wise move is to wait, unfortunately. Randy may go all emo on us and we lose him entirely, but we can't worry about that. He will certainly want big money now and there are too many questions going forward to give him that.

His age, our young guys, the CBA, and a host of other players needing to be extended / signed.

Let him beast in a contract year and see what happens. He could easily find himself in a situation similar to TO next spring / summer. I just don't see it as a worth while scenario to try and sign him now. He'll want too much money & years for a 34 year old WR.

I love how he has played, practiced and carried himself here, though. Curran & whatever other dummies (Fred?) are on the Mohegan show can suck it. Moss had been a model citizen here.

[FlyingElvis]

ksjfhaklefglkgdfa ******* ESPN, covering Bradys contract some ******* joe shmoe goes, what does it mean for the contracts of the upper tier Qbs like Peyton Manning and Drew Brees. fkjlghlksfjghs ******* prick. At least shefter after wards said how Brady and Manning are always considered number one and two. So annoying.


Edit: This makes me feel better if you read the end of the article.

http://espn.go.com/blog/BostonNew-England-Patriots/post/_/id/4682894/more-jets-talk-from-brady

Go ******* get em Brady.

Seriously, stop watching ESPN.

[Jvig43]

Seriously, stop watching ESPN.

I would if I could afford NFL network :(

[FlyingElvis]

I would if I could afford NFL network :(

That bites. I keep forgetting NFLN has different deals with different providers. I would probably develop a nervous twitch if I had to go back to ESPN.

[descendency]

I live in a college apartment where my only option is the college specified cable. I would gladly pay for NFLN if it were an option to me.

Hell, I don't even get HD programming :(

[Nalej]

no HD? What?!

[Jvig43]

Cinningham ws back at practice after being held out all off season after he got into a fight with a Saints player during camp. Hopefully we can get some use out of him, think we see him in at OLB at any point in sundays game?

[Nalej]

Absolutely

[Don Vito]

I really want to see a lot of Cunningham, he is a talented dude and could be a big part of the future of this defense.

[Jvig43]

I'm just worried about the transition to OLB every play, I would love to see him do well though because man are defense needs some play makers. Brace was also back in practice which is a good thing for depth, he looked decent filling in for Warren before he went down.

[BradysKnee]

Cunningham had some OLB responsibilities at Florida, and I believe he dropped into coverage like 35% of his plays or something, so his transition should be smoother than most.

[Don Vito]

Yeah Cunningham did a lot for that Florida defense and was incredibly versatile, he just was overshadowed quite a bit. Guys like Dunlap, Haden, Spikes, Major Wright, Janoris Jenkins, and Ahmad Black were always getting their jocks ridden along with the young talents whenever they got in the game such as Will Hill. Everyone knew Cunningham was a good player, and I could definitely see him being one of those guys who ends up making a bigger impact in the NFL than in college. At least I hope he does.

Brady got in a car accident this morning in Boston, nothing too serious but per ESPN he is "shaken".

[proshoota25]

yeah close call lol

[Don Vito]

Imagine badly plowing into someone's car and getting out to see it was Tom Brady? I would probably have to end my life if I hurt him, either that or someone would do it for me before I got the chance.

[Jvig43]

I hope our line holds up as well as it did this pre season. Considering were without Nick and Mankins, Brady got alot of time, and there was some nice down the field blocking on screens. If Mankins remains decides to come play after week 10 or whatever week it is, our Line should be pretty solid bar injury come post season push.

[Nalej]

I was walking on the way to class when I decided to check ESPN on my phone.
The title "Brady in Crash" came up big... then my phone froze for a couple seconds.

LONGEST SECONDS OF MY LIFE!

[FlyingElvis]

hahaaa!! I had the same reaction in the few seconds it took to open the WEEI email titled "Brady in car crash."

[Jvig43]

Woooooooooot! Brady's contract four years 19 million official tomorrow!

[proshoota25]

haha yea. it took him a car accident to realize he needs his guaranteed money ASAP lol

[descendency]

If they didn't change his base pay this year, the contract is more like 3 years, 22 million per year.

[Matthew Jones]

If they didn't change his base pay this year, the contract is more like 3 years, 22 million per year.

The contract doesn't kick in until after this season. Brady plays out the final year of his previous contract and then the four-year extension is tacked onto the end.

[FlyingElvis]

Will Randy rescind his "the Patriots don't pay" comment?

[Nalej]

Not until they pay him, he won't

[nepg]

Will Randy rescind his "the Patriots don't pay" comment?
He didn't rescind it when Wilfork got paid.

He voiced initial concern because of the Wilfork situation. Wilfork got paid and he shut up. Then he chimed in again when Brady was negotiating. I imagine he'll just shut up again and they'll get to working something out with his team.

[proshoota25]

somewhere mankins is killing babies over this right now

[Jvig43]

If he wasnt being such a D bag he could have gotten his pay day too. I seriously think we should try to extend Moss's contract now before he blows it up this year and then refuses our offer. I'd hate to see him go.

[nepg]

I think Moss should be rewarded. He's been great for the Pats, and really hasn't shown signs of slowing down. His loafing tactics are so amazingly effective... I love how he's always been bashed for loafing, but his loafing is one of the main reasons he's so successful.

[Nalej]

I agree. Pay the man, imo. 2 yr deal

[BradysKnee]

2 year 25 mil would be fair imo

[Jvig43]

So we got a deal done with Mankins, and then asked him to publicly apologize for his previous statements and then he got offended and turned down the deal. This guy has the sensitivity level of a high school cheer leader.

[nepg]

Well, this time I'm on Mankins's side. If he already apologized to Kraft, that should be that. They can publicly put it out there that Mankins apologized to Kraft and that should be enough. I can see how he'd be offended by their request, and I wouldn't have done that either. "Go embarrass yourself and we'll sign this contract." **** that.

[Jvig43]

I just want a deal to get done, or to get picks for him. If he doesnt sign a contract, I'd hope wed sign Moss at least.

[nepg]

I just want a deal to get done, or to get picks for him. If he doesnt sign a contract, I'd hope wed sign Moss at least.

Both parties just need to sit down, ****, sign the contract, and continue to ****.

[proshoota25]

wowwww defense looks so sexy so far

[Nalej]

Love Love Love the game so far

[ElectricEye]

Defensive speed and aggression <3

[Nalej]

Pick 6 FTW

[ElectricEye]

Our defense is raping and pillaging. That was a DAMN good defensive playcall.

[Razor]

Wow. We're jsut killing the Bengirls! Who saw that one coming, I didnt... But I'll take it! :D

[ElectricEye]

This speed thing is pretty cool.

[nepg]

James Sanders had a bad game. They never got Butler the help he needed, but I think everyone else played really well. Considering the Bengals are one of the better teams offensively and defensively in the NFL, I'll take that win all day long.

Offense is just too sharp... Amazing.

[Jvig43]

James Sanders had a bad game. They never got Butler the help he needed, but I think everyone else played really well. Considering the Bengals are one of the better teams offensively and defensively in the NFL, I'll take that win all day long.

Offense is just too sharp... Amazing.

Were looking really good, the jets better they live up to the hyp they built for themselves because if not their in trouble, Miami didnt look to good and Buffalo was Buffalo. Colts lost to Houston, I know its early but we certainly look to be one of the better put together teams in the nfl today.

[Don Vito]

We definitely slowed down, but holy **** did we look good in the first half. The passing game is ridiculous, and if Fred Taylor stays healthy we could have a really special offense.

[ElectricEye]

I'm not all that worried about the defense. That has a lot to do with us scoring on the kickoff return and the picksix, thus having to be on the field for longer. It's not like we were giving up huge plays like last year.

[nepg]

Ya, there was one big mistake (Ochocinco TD), but they did well all game and kept a good intensity level. It's important to keep in perspective how ******* good the Bengals' offense is this year...

Anyone else loving Mike Wright's bull rush? He's really evolved in this defense. Underrated player.

[ElectricEye]

Really, I'm absolutely floored by how well our defense played. We've heard the term "vanilla" about how our defense played in the preseason, and that defiantly wasn't the case this game. We did things this game I haven't seen us do in years. I could care less about the results(which were good), just the fact that we're headed in the right direction is fantastic.

[nepg]

I know. I was watching them thinking "this is just a far more athletic version of the 2002-2005 defenses". Spikes and Guyton platoon at that ILB spot perfectly. The pass rush wasn't great, but I wasn't terribly disappointed with it either...Palmer was getting rid of the ball very quickly, and they couldn't afford to blitz.

[Jvig43]

So my roommate was working the game today and had to report that the fan at the game had a heart attack. Crazy! He also said he high five'd welker.

Anyway, Moss is still bitching about his contract, starting to piss me off. Idk where hes saying people want him to fail. Everyone I know has loved Moss since hes got here.

[Jvig43]

So my roommate was working the game today and had to report that the fan at the game had a heart attack. Crazy! He also said he high five'd welker.

Anyway, Moss is still bitching about his contract, starting to piss me off. Idk where hes saying people want him to fail. Everyone I know has loved Moss since hes got here.

[nepg]

The only people who have ever wanted him to fail don't have friendly ties with the New England Patriots. The only people that wanted him to succeed for awhile were the Patriots and the New England fans.

[ElectricEye]

I know. I was watching them thinking "this is just a far more athletic version of the 2002-2005 defenses". Spikes and Guyton platoon at that ILB spot perfectly. The pass rush wasn't great, but I wasn't terribly disappointed with it either...Palmer was getting rid of the ball very quickly, and they couldn't afford to blitz.

We disguised things really well today. The Guyton pick six was a good example of that. Really felt like we had more of a gameplan today. Remains to be seen how it all turns out, but still, it's encouraging. One of the great mysteries of the Patriots post-Crennel has been just how big a role Dean Pees had. We really did not play the same style of football with him here. The whole thing is really weird.

[descendency]

James Sanders had a bad game. They never got Butler the help he needed, but I think everyone else played really well. Considering the Bengals are one of the better teams offensively and defensively in the NFL, I'll take that win all day long.

Offense is just too sharp... Amazing.

Sanders was the other Safety (Chung and Sanders) in the base packages I was told (I couldn't pay that close of attention). Meriweather was relegated to sub packages...

Wonder what that is about.

[Jvig43]

Sanders was the other Safety (Chung and Sanders) in the base packages I was told (I couldn't pay that close of attention). Meriweather was relegated to sub packages...

Wonder what that is about.

To make sure he stays healthy for right now? I know he was mentioned on the injury report. Meriweather is a beast, Sanders...not so much. We could use Meriweather in, I love the way he flies around.

[nepg]

Probably a combination of needing a bigger DB on Gresham and Meriweather maybe nursing an injury. They miss McGowan already.

[nepg]

We disguised things really well today. The Guyton pick six was a good example of that. Really felt like we had more of a gameplan today. Remains to be seen how it all turns out, but still, it's encouraging. One of the great mysteries of the Patriots post-Crennel has been just how big a role Dean Pees had. We really did not play the same style of football with him here. The whole thing is really weird.
I agree on the Pees thing. He ran a vanilla defense, and it just didn't work. The reason the defense was so successful under Romeo is because he disguised everything, moved guys around to weird spots, and did everything in his power to confuse the QB/OC every play.

[FlyingElvis]

So we got a deal done with Mankins, and then asked him to publicly apologize for his previous statements and then he got offended and turned down the deal. This guy has the sensitivity level of a high school cheer leader.
WTF? This has gotten out of hand on both sides. Asking a guy to publicly apologize is pretty damn childish in itself. It should be pretty obvious to anyone with an opinion that matters that the player ran his mouth foolishly if he then signs a deal.

We disguised things really well today. The Guyton pick six was a good example of that. Really felt like we had more of a gameplan today. Remains to be seen how it all turns out, but still, it's encouraging. One of the great mysteries of the Patriots post-Crennel has been just how big a role Dean Pees had. We really did not play the same style of football with him here. The whole thing is really weird.

It's amazing how much of a difference a little aggression makes. This D looked like a classic BB style D where pressure matters more than sacks.

Also, a tip of the cap to TBC, who played very well against the run.

I love it when I get to watch a Pats game and just sit there with a rather stunned (and smug) grin, muttering "wow" over and over.

[FlyingElvis]

Not work safe, but amusing.

Tom Brady Crash 911 (fake, obviously)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oeq2_Of3cHU

[Nalej]

Just read the transcript from Moss' post-game rant

"If I get a contract offer next off season (and not one during the season) then it'll be like a slap in the face"

Sooooo... if we don't give him a contract extension offer during the season then he's pretty much gone

[descendency]

Marques Murrell was released in preparation for Quinn Ojinnaka's return.

Apparently the Patriots brilliant strategy to fix the OLB problem is...

To take them off the field completely and play a 4-2-5 defense

[ElectricEye]

I think that was more a casualty of offensive linemen depth than anything else. I like Murrell, hopefully he gets to the practice squad or catches on with another team. Hopefully means good things about Jermaine Cunningham, who we were supposed to see yesterday but didn't.

[proshoota25]

I think that was more a casualty of offensive linemen depth than anything else. I like Murrell, hopefully he gets to the practice squad or catches on with another team. Hopefully means good things about Jermaine Cunningham, who we were supposed to see yesterday but didn't.

actually i noticed him on the field for a few plays

[ElectricEye]

Must of missed him then. Hopefully he gets in more the next game.

[descendency]

Something I just saw reminded me of two things: we have two bad teams high picks (the Raiders 1st and the Panthers 2nd).

Both teams lost and both looked inept yesterday. The Giants raped the Panthers and good players on that team looked atrocious. The Raiders looked like the Raiders of old against the Titans (who basically run the ball).

If they both play like that the rest of the year, we should net a top 10 pick and two more top 40 picks.

3 picks in the top 40... seriously where are we going to stick all of the second rounders we get from trading down.

[ElectricEye]

Probably trade down some more. Anybody want to talk pass rushers? Or is it too early. I'm not big on Von Miller in our scheme for some reason. Have loved guys like him before(Everette Brown, Jerry Hughes), but some things about Miller scare me a bit. I really like Ryan Kerrigan with our first round pick or one of our seconds in the early goings though.

[nepg]

I'd love the Prince of Blades in New England!

I like Miller, but not so much in the Patriots' 3-4 and not so much in the first round for the Pats. We'll have to see how the prospects shake out because it's pretty unobvious right now.

However, I'm loving the increasing possibility of Marcel Darius in New England!

How many years does Ochocinco have left on his contract? I know he wants to play in New England for Belichick...if Moss continues to go down the road he's paving, I'd love for them to find a way to get Chad. And I'm kind of waiting for Chad to say something about Randy...I know how much Chad loves Belichick and would kill to be in Moss's shoes... He'll say something at some point, I don't think he can resist.

[descendency]

I know this will shock people, but I wouldn't touch Miller because he'll go in the first few rounds and I see a lacking pass rush repertoire (his speed rush is outstanding, his bull rush is weak, his spin is good, his rip and swim are non-existent from what I've seen) and a very lacking ability against the run.

[ElectricEye]

I don't know what it is about him. I've watched him a few times, but not discerningly as of yet. Hard to get A&M games here. Maybe it is the lack of pass rush moves, but something is offputting about him. I'll have to look at it some more. The way it stands according to Scott's mock, I would much prefer Baldwin in that spot.

[proshoota25]

there is a lot of depth at DE in this draft. i expect that patriots to take one of the studs in the first or second

[Razor]

Something I just saw reminded me of two things: we have two bad teams high picks (the Raiders 1st and the Panthers 2nd).

Both teams lost and both looked inept yesterday. The Giants raped the Panthers and good players on that team looked atrocious. The Raiders looked like the Raiders of old against the Titans (who basically run the ball).

If they both play like that the rest of the year, we should net a top 10 pick and two more top 40 picks.

3 picks in the top 40... seriously where are we going to stick all of the second rounders we get from trading down.

And we haven't even traded Mankins yet! :) Marcel Dareus or Cameron Heyward would both be great picks, but thinking more of Robert Quinn. I'd love for us to have a chance of drafting him.

[AntoinCD]

The only pass rusher that I really like next year is Quinn. I'd much rather go Cameron Heyward or one of the WRs early, an interior O-lineman at the end of the first then get someone like Sam Acho or Jack Crawford in the second. That is assuming Quinn is gone before we pick

[descendency]

The correct answer to those questions of which interior DL is Adrian Clayborn. The guy is unblockable at the end position but he goes against guards and tackles now anyways. He's constantly in the backfield. He will be unbelievable in the NFL.

[FlyingElvis]

How many years does Ochocinco have left on his contract? I know he wants to play in New England for Belichick...if Moss continues to go down the road he's paving, I'd love for them to find a way to get Chad. And I'm kind of waiting for Chad to say something about Randy...I know how much Chad loves Belichick and would kill to be in Moss's shoes... He'll say something at some point, I don't think he can resist.

Chad has a club option in his contract for the 2011 season. If the Bengals don't pick it up he'll be in NE.

But I don't see them letting him go b/c they'd have to pay him 3.5M to walk vs. 6M to stay. Essentially, they would have to decide that Chad isn't worth $2.5 million and I see no way that is a smart decision.

[thenewfeature06]

Laurence Maroney shipped to Denver according to sources..

[Wootylicous]

yesssss finally this guy was too much of a dancer in the backfield!

[Don Vito]

Laurence Maroney shipped to Denver according to sources..

Disappointment, I thought after his rookie year he would end up being one of the best backs in the NFL. Lots of talent but that's really it, hated his attitude and to tell you the truth I'm glad he's gone. He can go ***** about his Madden speed rating and pound his chest after a 4th quarter pre-season TD for McDaniels all he wants.

[BradysKnee]

Good.......

[Jvig43]

I'm curious as to what we got for the guy, a high five?

[Don Vito]

A fourth and we gave them our sixth.

[Nalej]

Why? Fred Taylor and Morris never play a full season.
That'll eventually leave Faulk and BJGE to lead the rushing attack

[Razor]

Why? Fred Taylor and Morris never play a full season.
That'll eventually leave Faulk and BJGE to lead the rushing attack
Pretty much... Can't say I'm sad to see him go, but we already have serious issues with our backfield. This doesn't exactly help. At least we got something for him, he would've been a FA in march and I don't think we would have kept him. It looks like BB is going into full rebuild mode with the running game. Hi Mark Ingram.

[descendency]

I head Josh McDaniels wanted to give us a 3rd round pick, but Bill didn't feel comfortable stealing from them that badly.

We basically just got a 4th round pick for a 1 year rental back and a 6th who wasn't that good...

[Don Vito]

I'd take BJGE over Maroney any day now, Taylor is oft injured but he has looked very good. It got to the point where I'd take anything for Maroney, he is talented but I hated his attitude. He always had something to say to the media, much like Ellis Hobbs, about how everyone was doubting him and he was out to prove everyone wrong. Well, he never did so get the **** out of here. He had promise but he didn't have the right mindset and couldn't stay healthy, you can't really control injuries but what bothered me was his attitude and his dancing in the backfield. Addition by subtraction if you ask me.

[thenewfeature06]

It is interesting to see what the Pats will address next year in the draft with 2 picks in the first... runningback for sure with one and probably WR with the other?

[proshoota25]

It is interesting to see what the Pats will address next year in the draft with 2 picks in the first... runningback for sure with one and probably WR with the other?

IF moss leaves. DE, OLB, OL will be target areas for sure as well. hopefully anyway lol

[RaiderNation]

Any update on whats going on with Logan Mankins? I really want the Raiders to work out a deal for him

[descendency]

The last update was Mankins appologized to the Krafts for his comments and may or may not have received an increased offer from the team, but seemed to have flat rejected it.

Right now, Mankins is acting like he never wants to play for NE again. I hope he is traded before week 6. If he signs before week 10, he can get his year of football in, but the Patriots will probably d*** him in the a** for it by franchising him and force him to work out a trade.

[proshoota25]

Any update on whats going on with Logan Mankins? I really want the Raiders to work out a deal for him

maybe you guys will fork over another first round pick for him? ;)

[Jvig43]

Any update on whats going on with Logan Mankins? I really want the Raiders to work out a deal for him

I want the raiders to trade for him too ;)

[AntoinCD]

I was just having a think about the change in recent years in the philosophy used by the front office in how to bring the team forward, especially on defense. In the past BB used to always bring in seasoned veterans to take over important roles. Think Vrabel, Harrison, Seau etc. However now it seems that they are actively taking a new approach of getting younger and faster through the draft and trusting younger players for taking on bigger roles.

The base defense against the Bengals was

Warren, Wilfork, Wright
TBC, Spikes, Mayo, Ninkovich
Butler, Chung, Sanders, McCourty

Only Gerard Warren and Rob Ninkovich were not drafted by Belichick, and if Ty Warren was healthy Gerard Warren wouldn't start and the team obviously are hoping for development from Jermaine Cunningham so he could replace Ninkovich.

Plus on sub packages, Myron Pryor, Ron Brace, Gary Guyton, Brandon Merriweather, Jonathon Wilhite etc all saw extended playing time.

Very few, if any, teams could boast such a strong squad of drafted players on any side of the ball. In two years this defense should be among the league's best assuming the younger players continue to develop.

The reason I bring this up is because in the last 4 years BB has actively gone after big name free agents and trades on the offensive side of the ball(Moss, Welker, Taylor, Crumpler etc). By having such a dominant offense it has allowed the defense to gel and get better while also being competitive. Most teams completely rebuilding their defense like the Pats did would have no chance of making playoffs, let alone being one of the favourites for the Superbowl.

Personally, I don't believe there is any team in the NFL that is run even close to as well as the Patriots. Is the Dynasty over? No, because no team can match what they do personnel wise.

In 2007 the offense was record setting however the defense gave up too many big plays, especially in the defensive backfield. Now, the offense is still among the league's best and the secondary is now a strong point.

In the next two years I fully expect a major emphasis on the offensive side of the ball during the draft. Rb, WR, O-line are all positions that can be addressed.

[descendency]

The Patriots need (in a not terribly specific order):
RB
OLB
34 DE
RG/C
#1 WR (they take time to develop, so even if Moss leaves)
RT
C/RG

with 4 top 64 picks and maybe more if Mankins is traded (or one fewer need), this team could be young and talented for a long time to come.

[Cicero]

Assuming Revis can play and is covering Moss, what do you guys think the chances are that we see Brandon Tate light up the box score? He was one of my favorite draft prospects and this looks like a great opportunity for him.

[Don Vito]

Well he made a huge play last week with that return TD, he is a guy Pats fans have been really excited about since we took him. We are pretty crowded at WR, but I think Tate is really going to start getting his chances. He is an explosive guy who could really be a gamebreaker for us, he is a guy who I could see having a big game for us against the Jets.

But Moss will probably have 2 TD's and make Revis look like Rex Ryan, cocky and arrogant. Respect your elders Revis.

[Razor]

I'm pretty sure that Revis once again will have some help over the top when covering Moss. It was obvious that Revis had help last year, he'll get some again.

[Don Vito]

I hate that prick, I just want to see him get crisped. I think Randy will score at least once too because there is no way he is taking Revis' comments well. Mark it down.

[ElectricEye]

Honestly hope Randy smokes him. From his comments, he's defiantly not happy about the way things have gone on Revis Island the past few years. Hopefully he gets up for this game.

[nepg]

Well he made a huge play last week with that return TD, he is a guy Pats fans have been really excited about since we took him. We are pretty crowded at WR, but I think Tate is really going to start getting his chances. He is an explosive guy who could really be a gamebreaker for us, he is a guy who I could see having a big game for us against the Jets.

But Moss will probably have 2 TD's and make Revis look like Rex Ryan, cocky and arrogant. Respect your elders Revis.

Should be fun watching Cromartie try to cover Tate.

[Cicero]

Should be fun watching Cromartie try to cover Tate.

That was my thought exactly.

[Razor]

Am I the only only thinking about Full Metal Jacket when reading this?
– The Jets committed a ridiculous 14 penalties in season-opening loss to the Ravens, which was too many. So Rex Ryan has a plan. As Ron wrote, “Every time they committed a penalty during practice he made the 10 players who didn’t commit it do pushups or up/downs in a circle while the miscreant stood in the middle counting them out.”

Ryan explained, “(We) want to let them know ‘Hey, you’re letting your teammates down.’ ”

Only a matter of time before Kyle Wilson kills everybody on the team I guess... Well, maybe just Rex...

http://www.bostonherald.com/blogs/sports/rap_sheet/index.php/2010/09/16/what-in-the-world-is-going-on-with-the-jets-glad-you-asked/#more-8829

[Jvig43]

Thats actually pretty awesome....... **** Rex Ryan. (Couldnt say something nice about the Jets)

[nepg]

I think it's a good way to handle penalties...

[ElectricEye]

Thats actually pretty awesome....... **** Rex Ryan. (Couldnt say something nice about the Jets)

Yeah, **** the Jets. Getting very excited about this weekend. I think all us fans want this one very badly.

[descendency]

Doesn't matter. We are still going to beat the Jets.

[Scotty D]

Hey I was wondering if you guys could help me out with a fantasy question, will Edelman return punts/kickoffs?

[FlyingElvis]

He's banged up and Tate looked awesome last week, so probably not. At the very least, there will be no consistency. Tate and Faulk will take reps even if Julian gets some. Starting him for return yardage would be a total crap shoot.

[ElectricEye]

So yeah guys, New York Jets, all of our hate, ect.

Hopefully out backs have been practicing blitz pickup this week.

Also, we have yet to discuss the entire Tom Brady crowd comments. I think there's a lot of truth to them. All the times I've been there it seems like the crowd isn't sure when to yell and when not to.

[FlyingElvis]

I have said plenty of time that the Pats fans have become spoiled. The noise is weak, they're too quick to "beat the traffic" at the end of games, and generally only bring it in the big name games that stay close.

I'm glad Tom called them out on it.

But I'm also a very vocal fan. From my couch or in a stadium, at a professional match or an kids game. Energy is contagious.

[ElectricEye]

I think we really do need to step our presence up at the stadium. Part of the issue is that the Patriots is the ONLY football here. We don't have a football culture. High School football isn't really a big deal here as a whole(High School sports even) and Boston College isn't universally embraced as our college team.

[FlyingElvis]

I think the bigger issue is success. As the expectations increased, the crowd noise decreased. It's somewhat normal, I suppose.

The old stadium was alive in the Parcells days when the team started making the playoffs. I think it has been a slow decline simply because fans get spoiled with the success rate.

I'd guess some of has to do with the move towards corporate / social status type fans that the NFL is seeing across the board. As more and more games have half time shows and all of that ****, the seats are filled less and less by true fans.

[ElectricEye]

Pink Hats. Always comes back to the ******* Pink Hats.

Also, Route 1 is the worst place on Earth 8 times a year.

[FlyingElvis]

Gawd damn pink hats.

[Razor]

Wait, pink hats?

[Jvig43]

Ok, I just want it to be 4 right now so I can watch this game. I have been gearing up for this thing for months! Hopefully were up to it. If we play like last week, well be golden.

[ElectricEye]

Wait, pink hats?

It's a Red Sox term, but it applies to the Patriots a bit as well.

http://www.boston.com/lifestyle/fashion/articles/2008/06/26/why_is_this_pink_hat_so_hated/

Article on it.

Also, it's god damned game day finally. Really, really, really want this one. I have to say Rex Ryan and the anti-Patriot way has made this a lot more interesting. Rekindled our hatred, a bit.

[Razor]

Thanks... Hmmmm, only in America! :)

[ElectricEye]

Also; http://www.whodeyfans.com/image.axd?picture=2010/1/jabbaandsanchez.jpg

[descendency]

I started to post "For after the Patriots beat the Jets" as a topic in the main NFL forum, but I thought better of it.

Anyways... 2 hours til kickoff. 3 until the game is over.

[ElectricEye]

GAME TIME!!!!!!!

We signed Woodhead today too. Excellent pickup, IMO.

[Razor]

That catch by Moss was just ridiculous... We should just pay him whatever he want.

[ElectricEye]

I really want him here the duration of his career. He makes sense here.

[descendency]

Cromartie covering Moss... YESSSS!!!

[descendency]

Dear Patriots ownership: Please trade Randy Moss. Tom Brady clearly has lost his f***ing mind when he sees Moss.

[ElectricEye]

I think I speak for all of us when I say ****.

[Babylon]

I thought Brady was off on some of his throws today. A couple to Moss and he had Gronkowski for a long gainer but underthrew him.

The defense reared their ugly head today, started out fine but couldnt stop anything in the second half, especially when they knew Sanchez was going with a lot of short stuff.

[BradysKnee]

All around terrible performance today.