New England Patriots Discussion

[255979119]

ALright guys, i have a question that i kind of want to happen. -Do you think that the patriots might trade one of their 1st,2nd, and 5th round pick for a top 15 pick?

Is that a posablity?

Do you think we could trade up for a top 10?

i hope i dont sound rude but why do you keep underlining things


Why can't you say something beneficial to the forum for once?

[alca1992]

ALright guys, i have a question that i kind of want to happen. -Do you think that the patriots might trade one of their 1st,2nd, and 5th round pick for a top 15 pick?

Is that a posablity?

Do you think we could trade up for a top 10?

i hope i dont sound rude but why do you keep underlining things


Why can't you say something beneficial to the forum for once?

why cant you stop being a jackassss who thinks hes some smart football genius. because your not :wink:

[ElectricEye]

http://img174.imageshack.us/img174/8044/dramaxr6.jpg

[alca1992]

http://img174.imageshack.us/img174/8044/dramaxr6.jpg

:lol:

[ElectricEye]

I find internet drama to be highly amusing. So much so I am a member of a rather notorious website known for causing it. And through it all, I've learned one thing; its all bullcrap. So get over it all, stop being chicks, and lets enjoy the fact our teams in the AFC Title Game.

[Jay]

The Raiders are reportedly interested in talking to Patriots offensive coordinator Josh McDaniels about their head coaching position.

McDaniels is only 30 years old and would replace Eric Mangini as the league's youngest head coach if he got the job. USC assistant Steve Sarkisian is still believed to be the front-runner.

Let them have him. I am not impressed AT ALL.

[alca1992]

The Raiders are reportedly interested in talking to Patriots offensive coordinator Josh McDaniels about their head coaching position.

McDaniels is only 30 years old and would replace Eric Mangini as the league's youngest head coach if he got the job. USC assistant Steve Sarkisian is still believed to be the front-runner.

Let them have him. I am not impressed AT ALL.

QFT

[ElectricEye]

The Raiders are reportedly interested in talking to Patriots offensive coordinator Josh McDaniels about their head coaching position.

McDaniels is only 30 years old and would replace Eric Mangini as the league's youngest head coach if he got the job. USC assistant Steve Sarkisian is still believed to be the front-runner.

Let them have him. I am not impressed AT ALL.Do teams automatically assume that our coordinators our great or something?
That would be 4 gone in 3 years. Granted, Mangini worked out well as a head coach thus far, but he wasn't all that good as a coordinator.
The Raiders can have him. We would be better off. We need a better offensive mind, even if they don't need to do much with Brady.

[255979119]

ALright guys, i have a question that i kind of want to happen. -Do you think that the patriots might trade one of their 1st,2nd, and 5th round pick for a top 15 pick?

Is that a posablity?

Do you think we could trade up for a top 10?

i hope i dont sound rude but why do you keep underlining things


Why can't you say something beneficial to the forum for once?

why cant you stop being a jackassss who thinks hes some smart football genius. because your not :wink:


I have never once implied that I was a genius, I have only noticed that you post useless and completely off topic comments that have no place in these forums...something you are known quite a bit for on other forums, alca

[alca1992]

ALright guys, i have a question that i kind of want to happen. -Do you think that the patriots might trade one of their 1st,2nd, and 5th round pick for a top 15 pick?

Is that a posablity?

Do you think we could trade up for a top 10?

i hope i dont sound rude but why do you keep underlining things


Why can't you say something beneficial to the forum for once?

why cant you stop being a jackassss who thinks hes some smart football genius. because your not :wink:


I have never once implied that I was a genius, I have only noticed that you post useless and completely off topic comments that have no place in these forums...something you are known quite a bit for on other forums, alca

well you only have been on this site for 3 weeks and you act like your a ****** moderator

...something you are known quite a bit for on other forums

for once can you backup this statement

[bingbing]

Sorry! I think it looks cool. Is it to much?

[alca1992]

Sorry! I think it looks cool. Is it to much?

dude i dont care i was just asking why you did it

im not gonna tell you what you can and cant do it was just a question

[EHobbs27]

You two need to stop. It is getting annoying.

We are looking ahead to the AFC Championship and we should be looking at that as well as the draft and current news like McDainels, not arguing like this.

First off, I would not give away McDainels that easily yet. While we may be better off as an offense without him, I say we give him time. This is his first time as the OC and he is still young. I want to give him time. He has great chemistry with Brady.

As for the draft and Scott's draft, I would rather see a first round of Sidney Rice and Patrick Willis.

[ElectricEye]

How would you guys feel about us getting Eric Weddle is the second? Seems like our type of guy.

[alca1992]

How would you guys feel about us getting Eric Weddle is the second? Seems like our type of guy.

if he falls to the 2nd round i would go crazy

[ElectricEye]

How would you guys feel about us getting Eric Weddle is the second? Seems like our type of guy.

if he falls to the 2nd round i would go crazyHe's not a first rounder right now. He's a mid to late second guy, we could have him starring in our faces.

[EHobbs27]

If Eric Weddle fell to our pick in round 2 I would go crazy. I wouldn't really even be suprised if he went in round one to the Pats. He can play FS or CB even though I like him better at CB. I want him so much in round one. Great character guy too. Held Calvin Johnson to 2 catches two years ago.

[ElectricEye]

If Eric Weddle fell to our pick in round 2 I would go crazy. I wouldn't really even be suprised if he went in round one to the Pats. He can play FS or CB even though I like him better at CB. I want him so much in round one. Great character guy too. Held Calvin Johnson to 2 catches two years ago.I really would not be surprised either. Belichick fell in love with the same type of guy in Mankins(In terms of draft positioning) and surprised people a few years ago, so it would not be a unexpected to see us get him.
As for if he would play corner or safety or corner...how about both? With Eugene Wilsons future in question, he could give us a boost at either spot. One of the best things about him is he can do anything.

[bingbing]

Im really in love with Eric Weddle. I just saw his stats and i'm very impressed. I read the good and bad things about him. There is nothing bad about him. Scott Wright had nothing bad to say about him.


http://www.nationalchamps.net/2005/sub/pics/small/utah_eric_weddle_trans.jpg


http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/s/ericweddle.html

[255979119]

If Eric Weddle fell to our pick in round 2 I would go crazy. I wouldn't really even be suprised if he went in round one to the Pats. He can play FS or CB even though I like him better at CB. I want him so much in round one. Great character guy too. Held Calvin Johnson to 2 catches two years ago.I really would not be surprised either. Belichick fell in love with the same type of guy in Mankins(In terms of draft positioning) and surprised people a few years ago, so it would not be a unexpected to see us get him.
As for if he would play corner or safety or corner...how about both? With Eugene Wilsons future in question, he could give us a boost at either spot. One of the best things about him is he can do anything.

It just seemed like a few days ago when Eugene Wilson was being widely considered the future of our secondary...now since 8 picks in his first 2 years he has 1 in his last 2 with a handful of injuries

And with Samuels future questionable who knows if they'll reach ahead a round to grab Weddle

[ElectricEye]

Its sad with Wilson. He was looking very good after his first few years. But he's started to regress. But I hope he can still play. That why I think Weddle would make alot of sense. Because even if Wilson does emerge again, then Weddle can still play corner and spell Rodney when needed.

[255979119]

You also have to remember Wilson played well when Poole and Law were the best corner tandem in the league....

[tylaw24]

Scott has us taking Marcus McCauley with 1a, Dwayne Bowe with 1b, and David Harris in the second. I like the first two picks, but i've never seen David Harris play. I think that the pats are going to take a Safety early in this draft and Scott hasn't addressed the position with any of our first three picks. There is a bit of a drop off in quality safeties after the second round and there is nothing wrong with taking one in the first. They are usually cheaper than corners anyway. Rodney may not be back next season, and there has to be someone to challenge Artrell Hawkins for the starting spot.

[EHobbs27]

I love the pick of David Harris in round 2. He was the leader of a very good Michigan defense this year and is a great run stopper. He also has great size at 250 for our defense. He does need to work on his coverage though.

I'm hoping for either Michael Griffin or Eric Weddle in round one. I don't like McCauley at all. The fact is we need a playmaker if we lose Samuel.

[alca1992]

im still shocked that he has smazjadia going to #64

[EHobbs27]

Don't be. Until Samardzija comes out and says that he is fully committed to football, he should be falling that far. I still don't understand why he is going in the first round.

[TitanAddict]

Hello Patriot fans ...

Congrats on having a team that is still in the playoffs (maybe the Titans will make it that far next year :) Anyway, I was thinking about the Titans draft and how we might like to trade down a little bit. I think the ideal suitor for us would be the Patriots because we could use guys like Patrick Willis and Robert Meachem, but #19 is a little too high for both of them, but they'll both likely be gone by the time our second round pick comes around. If we picked at, say, #24 and #28, then we would not have that problem.

As many of you know, NFL pundits often refer to the "Draft Pick Value Chart" in order to facilitate trades. I have used this chart to come up with a perfectly even trade according to the chart in which both teams would give up and receive exactly 1448 points. Here it is:

Patriots receive: Titans #1, #2, #3, #7
Titans receive: Patriots #1, #1, #4

On paper, the trade is perfectly even. I am confident that the Titans would like to pull this trade because of our team needs and who would be projected to fall to the late first round. My only question is how the Patriots would feel about the trade. Perhaps you guys would like to move up to grab Dwayne Jarrett at #19 to compliment Chad Jackson, the vertical threat. Maybe a corner of whom the Patriots are fond falls to #19 and you guys want to make a move. I don't know. That's why I'm trying to get a feel if it might be a good move for you.

Thanks in advance for your helpful input!

[EHobbs27]

I am kinda back and forth with that one. I would love if we got another 2nd and 3rd and moved up 5 spots to 19. If a guy like Darrelle Revis or Reggie Nelson fell to 19 then I think we should definately do it.

[Matthew Jones]

Hello Patriot fans ...

Congrats on having a team that is still in the playoffs (maybe the Titans will make it that far next year :) Anyway, I was thinking about the Titans draft and how we might like to trade down a little bit. I think the ideal suitor for us would be the Patriots because we could use guys like Patrick Willis and Robert Meachem, but #19 is a little too high for both of them, but they'll both likely be gone by the time our second round pick comes around. If we picked at, say, #24 and #28, then we would not have that problem.

As many of you know, NFL pundits often refer to the "Draft Pick Value Chart" in order to facilitate trades. I have used this chart to come up with a perfectly even trade according to the chart in which both teams would give up and receive exactly 1448 points. Here it is:

Patriots receive: Titans #1, #2, #3, #7
Titans receive: Patriots #1, #1, #4

On paper, the trade is perfectly even. I am confident that the Titans would like to pull this trade because of our team needs and who would be projected to fall to the late first round. My only question is how the Patriots would feel about the trade. Perhaps you guys would like to move up to grab Dwayne Jarrett at #19 to compliment Chad Jackson, the vertical threat. Maybe a corner of whom the Patriots are fond falls to #19 and you guys want to make a move. I don't know. That's why I'm trying to get a feel if it might be a good move for you.

Thanks in advance for your helpful input!

I'm not sure the Patriots would make that trade. It's interesting, and I put a lot of thought into it, but we are already loaded on picks. We would have a 1, 2, 2, 3, 3, 6, 7, 7, 7, 7, 7, and then whatever we get in compensation (probably two fifths or something.) I don't think New England really needs any more picks right now. However, that trade is still pretty intriguing because it would allow us a shot at Ted Ginn Jr., Dwayne Jarrett, Levi Brown, and Darrelle Revis. I'll put some more thought into it.

[TitanAddict]

Thanks for your input so far. Another hurdle in prognosticating trades is the combine. After the combine, Meachem might be considered a top 20 pick should he run a 4.35 or something like that. It really is difficult to forecast the correct move until draft day. Look at what Denver did last year when Cutler fell to #13 or whatever. Maybe we have a guy like Brady Quinn who has a Matt Leinart type free fall. Hopefully, someone the Patriots need falls to #19 and we can pull the trigger on the trade.

On another note, are there any roomers in New England about Scott Pioli bolting to take a GM job somewhere? Obviously, I would think the Titans should be interested since Reese "resigned." Right now we're looking at a couple of guys from the Jaguars' front office as well as Randy Mueller. I know that Nashville is a smaller market than Boston and we haven't had the continued success as the Patriots over the last several years, but I would think Pioli would seriously consider taking the Titans' GM position while we have young superstars in the making such as Vince Young, Pacman Jones, and Lendale White as well as a top coach in Jeff Fisher. The only problem might be Fisher wanting significant control over personnel and Pioli might be wanting "absolute power" in personnel decisions, too. Maybe Nashville isn't big enough for the both of them.

Thanks again for the input so far. I really appreciate the feedback from informed fans.

[255979119]

Scott has us taking Marcus McCauley with 1a, Dwayne Bowe with 1b, and David Harris in the second. I like the first two picks, but i've never seen David Harris play. I think that the pats are going to take a Safety early in this draft and Scott hasn't addressed the position with any of our first three picks. There is a bit of a drop off in quality safeties after the second round and there is nothing wrong with taking one in the first. They are usually cheaper than corners anyway. Rodney may not be back next season, and there has to be someone to challenge Artrell Hawkins for the starting spot.


Hawk is our FS, and the future of SS is in my boy James Sanders!!!

If Wilson cannot rebound then FS would be our #1 priority...thats if Asante resigns

If we cannot get Asante expect our secondary to have one of the worst PYPG in the league next year

[Matthew Jones]

Thanks for your input so far. Another hurdle in prognosticating trades is the combine. After the combine, Meachem might be considered a top 20 pick should he run a 4.35 or something like that. It really is difficult to forecast the correct move until draft day. Look at what Denver did last year when Cutler fell to #13 or whatever. Maybe we have a guy like Brady Quinn who has a Matt Leinart type free fall. Hopefully, someone the Patriots need falls to #19 and we can pull the trigger on the trade.

On another note, are there any roomers in New England about Scott Pioli bolting to take a GM job somewhere? Obviously, I would think the Titans should be interested since Reese "resigned." Right now we're looking at a couple of guys from the Jaguars' front office as well as Randy Mueller. I know that Nashville is a smaller market than Boston and we haven't had the continued success as the Patriots over the last several years, but I would think Pioli would seriously consider taking the Titans' GM position while we have young superstars in the making such as Vince Young, Pacman Jones, and Lendale White as well as a top coach in Jeff Fisher. The only problem might be Fisher wanting significant control over personnel and Pioli might be wanting "absolute power" in personnel decisions, too. Maybe Nashville isn't big enough for the both of them.

Thanks again for the input so far. I really appreciate the feedback from informed fans.

You're right about the trade value not being able to predict until after the combine at the earliest. New England should make that deal if they have a shot at getting a great wideout, corner, or linebacker, but people's draft stocks are a little too fluid right now. Pioli is going to stay with New England. He was a lifelong Giants fan and didn't even accept their interview, so I don't think he'd leave New England for Tennessee.

[tylaw24]

Hello Patriot fans ...

Congrats on having a team that is still in the playoffs (maybe the Titans will make it that far next year :) Anyway, I was thinking about the Titans draft and how we might like to trade down a little bit. I think the ideal suitor for us would be the Patriots because we could use guys like Patrick Willis and Robert Meachem, but #19 is a little too high for both of them, but they'll both likely be gone by the time our second round pick comes around. If we picked at, say, #24 and #28, then we would not have that problem.

As many of you know, NFL pundits often refer to the "Draft Pick Value Chart" in order to facilitate trades. I have used this chart to come up with a perfectly even trade according to the chart in which both teams would give up and receive exactly 1448 points. Here it is:

Patriots receive: Titans #1, #2, #3, #7
Titans receive: Patriots #1, #1, #4

On paper, the trade is perfectly even. I am confident that the Titans would like to pull this trade because of our team needs and who would be projected to fall to the late first round. My only question is how the Patriots would feel about the trade. Perhaps you guys would like to move up to grab Dwayne Jarrett at #19 to compliment Chad Jackson, the vertical threat. Maybe a corner of whom the Patriots are fond falls to #19 and you guys want to make a move. I don't know. That's why I'm trying to get a feel if it might be a good move for you.

Thanks in advance for your helpful input!

I'm not sure the Patriots would make that trade. It's interesting, and I put a lot of thought into it, but we are already loaded on picks. We would have a 1, 2, 2, 3, 3, 6, 7, 7, 7, 7, 7, and then whatever we get in compensation (probably two fifths or something.) I don't think New England really needs any more picks right now. However, that trade is still pretty intriguing because it would allow us a shot at Ted Ginn Jr., Dwayne Jarrett, Levi Brown, and Darrelle Revis. I'll put some more thought into it.

Yeah, New england is very stacked with draft picks and would most likely trade them away to move up a only few spots in the 1st. They do value their later round picks though and could load up on 2nd rounders and get some really great players, that for whatever reason fall out of the first. A good example of this is Chad Jackson, who was excellent value at the top of the second round last year.

[Don Vito]

I don't think we will have to move up to 19 to get one of the big time prospects. I believe with all of the early entries and options in this draft, one of the elite safety prospects (Landry, Nelson, Griffin) will fall into our laps at the #24 pick. I also think that a lot of LBs, CBs, WRs and OL will be available at #24, and wherever our final pick ends up being.

On another note, as you know Smardzija isn't coming out so we wont take him. I dont really like him anyway so its kind of a good thing imo.

[Jay]

Sidney Rice is the guy. I really hope we can get him. I think he might fall.

What about compensation picks? We should get something for Vinitiari, McGinnest, Givens and Ashworth given the amount of money they all got. How high do you think they will be and how is that based?

[alca1992]

Sidney Rice is the guy. I really hope we can get him. I think he might fall.

What about compensation picks? We should get something for Vinitiari, McGinnest, Givens and Ashworth given the amount of money they all got. How high do you think they will be and how is that based?

i dont like sidney i would rather have bowe or mechum then rice

[255979119]

Were not drafting another receiver in the top 2 this year.....but i do have my fears that Chad Jackson will turn into Bethel Johnson

[Jay]

Oh, I believe we absolutely HAVE TO take a WR with one of the first three picks, if not THE first pick. Our luck with journeyman WR's WILL run out. We need a playmaker, and I am sure you're not the only one having flashbacks to Bethel Johnson with Chad Jackson.

There are so many amazing WR's in this draft, it would be foolish to not take one early when it is a clear need.

[EHobbs27]

While I agree to an extent, I feel Brady makes everyone WR around him better. He doesn't need and never has had a big star WR and he still is a Pro-Bowler. I would rather see us give Chad Jackson another year, pick up a guy like Kevin Curtis in FA, and draft a guy like Johnnie Lee Higgins in round 2. I would love to see us add 2 star defensive players in round one. Chad Jackson showed signs of being a good WR. He had 3 TD's and a couple of nice plays in only about 5 games this year. I think over a full course of the year, he could easily have 7 or 8 TDs and 750 yards.

[255979119]

This may sound stupid but I am a fan of Miamis Wes Welker, and he could be a nice fit into this offense (too bads he's restricted)

[indyfan1985]

You guys ready for your beat down? Manning is bound to break away with a big game. He is due.

[255979119]

This is no place for trash talk, stick to the Colts threads

[Don Vito]

You guys ready for your beat down? Manning is bound to break away with a big game. He is due.

Heard this from a Colts fan in the playoffs before.

[255979119]

This thread never seems to stay on topic

[tylaw24]

This may sound stupid but I am a fan of Miamis Wes Welker, and he could be a nice fit into this offense (too bads he's restricted)

Welker is very multi-talented and would definitely be a great benefit to this offence. It doesn't sound stupid at all, but it is unfortunate that he is restricted, and Miami would match any offer given for him.

[EHobbs27]

I also feel Kevin Curtis could fit in our offense very well.

Colts fan trying to talk smack :roll:

[Matthew Jones]

Oh, I believe we absolutely HAVE TO take a WR with one of the first three picks, if not THE first pick. Our luck with journeyman WR's WILL run out. We need a playmaker, and I am sure you're not the only one having flashbacks to Bethel Johnson with Chad Jackson.

There are so many amazing WR's in this draft, it would be foolish to not take one early when it is a clear need.

I don't think we necessarily need a wide receiver in the draft before the late second day. Sure, there are good wide receivers in the draft. A LOT of good wide receivers in the draft. I mean, there are at least seven guys who could realistically go in the first round (Calvin Johnson, Ted Ginn Jr., Dwayne Jarrett, Sidney Rice, Robert Meachem, Dwayne Bowe) and a handful of second round talents (Jason Hill, Craig Davis, Anthony Gonzalez, Chansi Stuckey, Paul Williams, Johhnie Lee Higgins) that could try and work their way into the first.

I'm sure there'll be at least one or two of the seven wide receivers left when we're picking. There are somewhere between 15-20 wide receivers that have first day talent, but to tell the truth, like I said before, we don't really need one of them for our offense to go. Someone like a David Ball, or a Steve Breaston or Ryan Moore would be fine, if you ask me. Originally, I thought drafting a return man might be a great idea considering Faulk and Brown are aging (Brown will probably retire), but now I'm not even sure we need a return man early. I think Chad Jackson has showed some good elusiveness and burst and could return for us to give him some purpose. We have some other needs that I think are bigger, mainly left tackle, inside linebacker, and cornerback, that I would address early, and since Belichick is known for drafting the best player available regardless of position (Watson with Graham/Fauria, Wilfork with Washington, etc.), wide receiver could slide a little bit.

Don't forget that highly-drafted wide receivers have about a 50-50 shot at being a bust. Ever since the great class of 1996, there haven't been much more good wideouts drafted in the first than bad ones, if the number of good ones is even higher (that's debatable.) I'll show you what I mean:

1997: Ike Hilliard (#7), Yatil Green (#15), Reidel Anthony (#16), Rae Carruth (#27)

1998: Kevin Dyson (#16), Randy Moss (#21), Marcus Nash (#30)

1999: Torry Holt (#6), David Boston (#8), Troy Edwards (#13)

2000: Peter Warrick (#4), Plaxico Burress (#8), Travis Taylor (#10), Sylvester Morris (#21), R. Jay Soward (#29)

2001: David Terrell (#8), Koren Robinson (#9), Rod Gardner (#15), Santana Moss (#16), Freddie Mitchell (#25), Reggie Wayne (#30)

2002: Donte Stallworth (#13), Ashley Lelie (#19), Javon Walker (#20)

2003: Charles Rogers (#2), Andre Johnson (#3), Bryant Johnson (#17)

2004: Larry Fitzgerald (#3), Roy Williams (#7), Reggie Williams (#9), Lee Evans (#13), Michael Clayton (#15), Michael Jenkins (#29), Rashaun Woods (#31)

2005: Braylon Edwards (#3), Troy Williamson (#7), Mike Williams (#10), Matt Jones (#21), Mark Clayton (#22)

2006: Santonio Holmes (#25)

[sweetness34]

You guys ready for your beat down? Manning is bound to break away with a big game. He is due.

He who laughs last, laughs loudest my friend. So be careful what you say.

I personally think you're going to lose this game 27-17. The Pats are a more balanced team and they know how to win in big games.

[Jay]

Realistically, it is almost irrelevent to talk about the draft because the Pats are impossible to read. So it's going to come down to us talking about guys we like and positions we want. I wouldn't put it past them to draft a TE, T and DE with the first three picks if they feel those are the best players available when their turn comes. Dan Graham and Ben Watson were drafted in the first like back to back years.

But we're tempting fate here. Chad Jackson has not proven anything this year other than that he's not smart enough to learn the playbook and that all he knows how to do is run in a straight line really fast. I like Jabar Gaffney and Reche Caldwell, but Tom Brady deserves a Marvin Harrison or a Reggie Wayne of his own. No, we haven't needed that so far, but it's going to catch up eventually.

There are plenty of solid FA LB's available. To me, drafting one should be enough. So if they grab a DB, and LB and a WR in the first two rounds, I think it is perfect. But as I have consistantly said all year and many of you have on and off agreed with me on, WR is #1. Hell, I'd love to walk out of the draft with Sidney Rice AND Robert Meachem/Dwayne Bowe in round one. But out of the guys we have a legit shot at, Rice is my favorite.

Also, if the Pats have no interest in signing Asante Samuel for the money he is looking for, they'd be well served to franchise him and trade his rights for a first or a second. I'd almost like to see them do that anyway and sign Nate Clements. Take from the Bills and fill Samuel's spot with a decent/comprable vet who may be a little cheaper.

[Don Vito]

Realistically, it is almost irrelevent to talk about the draft because the Pats are impossible to read. So it's going to come down to us talking about guys we like and positions we want. I wouldn't put it past them to draft a TE, T and DE with the first three picks if they feel those are the best players available when their turn comes. Dan Graham and Ben Watson were drafted in the first like back to back years.

But we're tempting fate here. Chad Jackson has not proven anything this year other than that he's not smart enough to learn the playbook and that all he knows how to do is run in a straight line really fast. I like Jabar Gaffney and Reche Caldwell, but Tom Brady deserves a Marvin Harrison or a Reggie Wayne of his own. No, we haven't needed that so far, but it's going to catch up eventually.

There are plenty of solid FA LB's available. To me, drafting one should be enough. So if they grab a DB, and LB and a WR in the first two rounds, I think it is perfect. But as I have consistantly said all year and many of you have on and off agreed with me on, WR is #1. Hell, I'd love to walk out of the draft with Sidney Rice AND Robert Meachem/Dwayne Bowe in round one. But out of the guys we have a legit shot at, Rice is my favorite.

Also, if the Pats have no interest in signing Asante Samuel for the money he is looking for, they'd be well served to franchise him and trade his rights for a first or a second. I'd almost like to see them do that anyway and sign Nate Clements. Take from the Bills and fill Samuel's spot with a decent/comprable vet who may be a little cheaper.

I agree when you say Brady deserves a Marvin Harrison or a Reggie Wayne to throw to, but he certainly hasn't needed it. If we get the opporitunity to select a top tier receiver in this draft, we may pull the trigger. I could realistically see us taking Jarret, Rice, Bowe, Meachum, Ginn or maybe even Craig Davis. Craig Davis round 2 is ideal for me, preceeded by DB and LB round 1. Again, though, I would love to see Jarret, Rice, Bowe, Meachum or Ginn fall into our laps, and 2-4 of them probably will be there at #24 and 1-3 will be availabe at our final 1st round pick.

Almost game time, and I realized something. This game could justify Peyton Mannings career and he knows it. Hopefully we come up big and win, but it ahould be tough.

[tylaw24]

But we're tempting fate here. Chad Jackson has not proven anything this year other than that he's not smart enough to learn the playbook and that all he knows how to do is run in a straight line really fast. I like Jabar Gaffney and Reche Caldwell, but Tom Brady deserves a Marvin Harrison or a Reggie Wayne of his own. No, we haven't needed that so far, but it's going to catch up eventually.

Last year after the draft, Chad was saying how well he was picking up the play book during interviews and how he stood out from other prospects. I think this was a major factor in the pats trading up to get him.

I don't know if it's his intelligence level that is holding him back from learning the playbook, or another issue that we are unaware of. A reoccurring rumor this season has been that Jackson is having some immaturity issues, and this could be a big reason for his reduced playtime.

It also didn't help that he had that annoying hamstring injury at the start of the year and was unable to get out there with the team during training camp and pre-season to get some experience in the system.

None the less, Chad has made the most of his limited time on the field and has a few TD's to show for it. I look forward to watching him next season and seeing if the kid can make the all important 2nd year jump that we all expect.

[alca1992]

You guys ready for your beat down? Manning is bound to break away with a big game. He is due.

8) i just want you to know that if we win im going into the colts discussion ,post this, and brag the hell outta of you.

[remix 6]

no one knows what Chad's deal is

we can assume or guess that its playbook..routes..maturity..just coaching decision to go with the vetrans


no one that has the knowledge has said anything(not BB, not Pioli, not Brady, no the Dabbol, not any player)

There were 2 rumors.

#1 He was immature at a dinner or something
^doubt it..

#2 It was said that he didnt take time to study playbook when he was hurt after missing all of TC


i just hope he steps up next year

[tylaw24]

no one knows what Chad's deal is

we can assume or guess that its playbook..routes..maturity..just coaching decision to go with the vetrans


no one that has the knowledge has said anything(not BB, not Pioli, not Brady, no the Dabbol, not any player)

There were 2 rumors.

#1 He was immature at a dinner or something
^doubt it..

#2 It was said that he didnt take time to study playbook when he was hurt after missing all of TC


i just hope he steps up next year

Well exactly. No one is going to say anything and they don't need to. I was just bringing up the point that he is capable of learning the playbook, but for unknown reasons, was kept off the field most his rookie year ( as most rookie WRs are).

I was unaware of of that dinner incident, just that some unnamed 'sources' close to the team felt that he had some maturity issues.

Depending on how the Pats draft WR wise will determine their faith in Jackson.

I am very confident that he will step up next year.

[EHobbs27]

The thing is with the WR's that could be there in the late first round is that most of the guys are raw. Sidney Rice is a great young talent, but he is raw. Ted Ginn is very raw. I don't want to deal with another raw rookie. I want a senior at WR not another junior.

After the Tennessee game, I am certain Chad Jackson will bounce back. He showed me a lot just in that one game. I want to give Chad another year or two to develop.

[Jay]

Trust me, I want nothing more than for Chad Jackson to become a legit #1 WR in this league. I just don't think that alone will be enough, long term.

I have no problem with the Pats taking a LB or DB with both firsts. Hell, I'd have no problem if the Pats came out with two of Posluzky, Timmons, Willis and/or Woodley. I love defensive football. Normally, that is the way I roll. I was totally bummed when the Pats took Lawrence Maroney over Manny Lawson (though I am glad they did now).

I guess we'll just have to wait and see...

[nyjetsguy27]

even though im a jets fan, i hate peyton manning so much that i cannot even put it into words... go pats

[255979119]

You guys ready for your beat down? Manning is bound to break away with a big game. He is due.

8) i just want you to know that if we win im going into the colts discussion ,post this, and brag the hell outta of you.


1.) Boasting is never a good thing and true winners don't need to boast


2.) Never use an illiterate statement such as "Brag the hell outta you" again

[tylaw24]

Trust me, I want nothing more than for Chad Jackson to become a legit #1 WR in this league. I just don't think that alone will be enough, long term.

I have no problem with the Pats taking a LB or DB with both firsts. Hell, I'd have no problem if the Pats came out with two of Posluzky, Timmons, Willis and/or Woodley. I love defensive football. Normally, that is the way I roll. I was totally bummed when the Pats took LaUrence Maroney over Manny Lawson (though I am glad they did now).

I guess we'll just have to wait and see...

I'm with you on that one. And I wouldn't be surprised if the Pats went Defence heavy this year as opposed to (almost) all Offence last season.

[tylaw24]

MANKINS TOUCHDOWN! who'da guessed that one?

[jetsfan3]

It must be so easy and luxorious to be a Pats fan.

[bearsfan_51]

It must be so easy and luxorious to be a Pats fan.
No kidding. The Superbowl is going to be a match of the most lackidasical fans vs. the most neurotic ones.

[BehrenMan007]

its gonna be a good game

[Jay]

The game is not over yet.

[Jay]

Alrighty, first, thanks to the f a g who jinxed us above. Really nice asshole.

Second: if I here one more argument for why we shouldn't take a WR in the first round, I will shoot you in the mother f'ing face.

[sdpads24]

you guys should have won that. The colts got lucky

[alca1992]

You guys ready for your beat down? Manning is bound to break away with a big game. He is due.

8) i just want you to know that if we win im going into the colts discussion ,post this, and brag the hell outta of you.


1.) Boasting is never a good thing and true winners don't need to boast


2.) Never use an illiterate statement such as "Brag the hell outta you" again

why dont you shut the hell up. plus i was only going to brag to that user only nobody else

[alca1992]

*****

[tylaw24]

dAmn!

[tylaw24]

It hasn't set in for me yet. I'm afraid ill flip out when it does . .

[Jay]

Reche Caldwell sure makes a great #1 doesn't he?

[tylaw24]

Reche Caldwell sure makes a great #1 doesn't he?

Yeah im preety sure hes GONE next season and it's damn clear that we are taking a decent WR next draft. I was wrong about Jabar though, the last few games have really impressed me.

[alca1992]

Reche Caldwell sure makes a great #1 doesn't he?

not 1 dropped pass but 2!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Philliez01]

Guys, let me just say that your team (minus Caldwell and that phantom PI call against you) played an amazing game.

I may not like Brady, much like you guys and Manning, but I respect the living hell outta him. He plays his ass off every playoff game with a supporting cast of Maroney and company. Your team will continue being great, Brady is only 30 next season and there's youth at RB and there will be younger receivers eventually. Asante Samuel is a stud.

Good luck guys in your future endeavors, and cheers.

[Don Vito]

Whatever we've got the draft to look forward to at least. :lol:

Cladwell really did blow it big time. Tom "Mr. Clutch" Brady threw an awful pass into double coverage to end it, what a way to go out. All the more reason why we need a #1 target.

CALDWELL CAN NOT CATCH EVEN WHEN LITERALLY NOBODY IS COVERING HIM!

[Don Vito]

Guys, let me just say that your team (minus Caldwell and that phantom PI call against you) played an amazing game.

I may not like Brady, much like you guys and Manning, but I respect the living hell outta him. He plays his ass off every playoff game with a supporting cast of Maroney and company. Your team will continue being great, Brady is only 30 next season and there's youth at RB and there will be younger receivers eventually. Asante Samuel is a stud.

Good luck guys in your future endeavors, and cheers.

Yeah that interfence was almsot as ridiculous as the roughing the passer a few plays before the Colts scored the winner.

[tylaw24]

Whatever we've got the draft to look forward to at least. :lol:

Cladwell really did blow it big time. Tom "Mr. Clutch" Brady threw an awful pass into double coverage to end it, what a way to go out. All the more reason why we need a #1 target.

CALDWELL CAN NOT CATCH EVEN WHEN LITERALLY NOBODY IS COVERING HIM!

I know, those ones are the toughest to catch! :( I can't imagine how bad Tom feels at the moment.

[RCAChainGang]

Good game guys but I dont think we got lucky. You guys came close and your team great. I am just so happy to finally beat them in the playoffs. Good game.

[Philliez01]

Guys, let me just say that your team (minus Caldwell and that phantom PI call against you) played an amazing game.

I may not like Brady, much like you guys and Manning, but I respect the living hell outta him. He plays his ass off every playoff game with a supporting cast of Maroney and company. Your team will continue being great, Brady is only 30 next season and there's youth at RB and there will be younger receivers eventually. Asante Samuel is a stud.

Good luck guys in your future endeavors, and cheers.

Yeah that interfence was almsot as ridiculous as the roughing the passer a few plays before the Colts scored the winner.

Without a doubt there, I remember on SC before the games began they were talking about the Colts-Patriots officiating crew and how the head ref is notorious for his penatly-calling.

[AZ9er]

1. WR
lol

[255979119]

Id rather give up a draft pick to get Welker than get a 50/50 boom/bust player in the draft



Also we need an ILB, and a RT

[tylaw24]

Good game guys but I dont think we got lucky. You guys came close and your team great. I am just so happy to finally beat them in the playoffs. Good game.

good game . . mumble mumble groan *pulls head in* (I'm imitating Bill Belichick apparently). I could say some stuff right now but it would be all negative and I don't think its necessary right now.

I suppose this post was kind of a 'thank-you for a good game' statement but the "I dont think we got lucky" sorta negates it. There had to be some degree of luck during the game . .there always is . . and that's all I'm going to say.

[255979119]

Good game guys but I dont think we got lucky. You guys came close and your team great. I am just so happy to finally beat them in the playoffs. Good game.

good game . . mumble mumble groan *pulls head in* (I'm imitating Bill Belichick apparently). I could say some stuff right now but it would be all negative and I don't think its necessary right now.

I suppose this post was kind of a 'thank-you for a good game' statement but the "I dont think we got lucky" sorta negates it. There had to be some degree of luck during the game . .there always is . . and that's all I'm going to say.


A degree of luck I.E. Near fumble by Wayne

This game reminded me of the SD game...only we were on the other end

[bigbluedefense]

Tough loss guys, you had it, but the defense blew it in the 2nd half.

If you don't mind, I want to give my take and critique of what went wrong, theres so much to analyze with this game. I personally love defense, and I love the scheme that Bill Parcells, Bellichick and Saban employ (its basically the same exact scheme with different masks). So I was really looking forward to what the Patriots did.

The zones were fine, they had coverage downfield. Bellichick took out Harrison with Samuel, and they doubled up Wayne. They left Clark open, that was the weakness of the coverage that they employed. He either had a LB in man coverage with him or a LB/S zone type of coverage. He was too fast to cover like that, and had his way all day.

In fact, if you go back and look at the tape, Peyton shouldve went to him more, he was open the entire game.

I have 2 issues with the strategy Bellichick employed.

1. Not enough blitzing. He had Peyton rattled everytime he brought the heat. I guess he wasn't confident in his coverage downfield with heavy blitzing, but it worked successfully every time he tried. He needed to do more blitzes, but became far too passive.

2. He didn't 2 gap his dline enough. He slide his line to the right and had Vrabel lined up between the RT/TE far too much. He essentially gave Peyton a 4-3 look with that front. He did this way too much. We all know that Peyton has trouble against a 2 gap scheme, and Bellichick had more success when he was 2 gaping the line and bring both OLBs off the edge. Why did he not adjust?

I think those were his 2 flaws. He didn't blitz enough, and he didn't give enough 3-4 looks. Brady almost bailed him out, and did a terrific job. All the people hating on Brady are just haters, he did a great job. Did you see how he evaded pressure in that game? Unbelievable, only Tom Brady could do that. And I still feel that he's the best qb in the league. You gotta love how when the Colts scored at teh end, the camera zooms in on Brady and he's warming up on the sideline, and he goes "ok" and nods his head like he wanted this to happen. The poise and confidence is what makes him. I really like his game, no great qb in nfl history has done more with less than Brady.

Which leads me to my last point. If you guys kept Branch for this year, you win the SB. I know trading him for a 1st was a great long term move, but right here right now...it cost you another ring.


As far as the draft goes, I know WR is a need, but I wouldn't use a 1st on it. I think a Rushbacker should be drafted. Colvin isn't that great, and Vrabel should be moved inside with Bruschi next year. Draft 2 OLB rush backers to generate better pressure, and resign Samuel and youre back. You guys have one of the more underrrated defenses in the league. The talent is definately there. And with Brady on offense, you guys have the talent to make a push for the SB every year.

[Jughead10]

Which leads me to my last point. If you guys kept Branch for this year, you win the SB. I know trading him for a 1st was a great long term move, but right here right now...it cost you another ring.

I don't believe that for one second. Branch is not nearly that great of player that he makes such a difference in a game.

[bigbluedefense]

Which leads me to my last point. If you guys kept Branch for this year, you win the SB. I know trading him for a 1st was a great long term move, but right here right now...it cost you another ring.

I don't believe that for one second. Branch is not nearly that great of player that he makes such a difference in a game.

He didn't have to make a huge difference. But he wouldve made one play here and there, and that would be enough. The WRs were morbid that game, they dropped so many huge plays. Caldwell in particular. If Branch is on that field, that doesn't happen.

Think about it, they were a couple of first downs away from running out the clock and winning. I think Branch wouldve at the very least made that much of a difference for their team.

[Jughead10]

Which leads me to my last point. If you guys kept Branch for this year, you win the SB. I know trading him for a 1st was a great long term move, but right here right now...it cost you another ring.

I don't believe that for one second. Branch is not nearly that great of player that he makes such a difference in a game.

He didn't have to make a huge difference. But he wouldve made one play here and there, and that would be enough. The WRs were morbid that game, they dropped so many huge plays. Caldwell in particular. If Branch is on that field, that doesn't happen.

Think about it, they were a couple of first downs away from running out the clock and winning. I think Branch wouldve at the very least made that much of a difference for their team.

Caldwell did drop the one pass when no one covered him but than again Brady did notice him a bit late and had to rush it. A lot of things could have been different. Caldwell had great position in the end zone on one play and was blatantly interfered with. I think NE had to settle for a FG there. If the refs called that the Pats probably win. I just don't think Branch is a good as cracked up to be. Brady made him, and basically got NE a first rounder in return for him.

[bigbluedefense]

Which leads me to my last point. If you guys kept Branch for this year, you win the SB. I know trading him for a 1st was a great long term move, but right here right now...it cost you another ring.

I don't believe that for one second. Branch is not nearly that great of player that he makes such a difference in a game.

He didn't have to make a huge difference. But he wouldve made one play here and there, and that would be enough. The WRs were morbid that game, they dropped so many huge plays. Caldwell in particular. If Branch is on that field, that doesn't happen.

Think about it, they were a couple of first downs away from running out the clock and winning. I think Branch wouldve at the very least made that much of a difference for their team.

Caldwell did drop the one pass when no one covered him but than again Brady did notice him a bit late and had to rush it. A lot of things could have been different. Caldwell had great position in the end zone on one play and was blatantly interfered with. I think NE had to settle for a FG there. If the refs called that the Pats probably win. I just don't think Branch is a good as cracked up to be. Brady made him, and basically got NE a first rounder in return for him.

I definately agree with that. Branch is definately overrated. But Brady's numbers did take a dive with his absence, and they had good chemistry, which is overlooked alot. I think he wouldve made enough plays in that game had he been there, to help seal the deal, thats all Im saying.

Im definately not hyping him up to be anything more than that though.

[EHobbs27]

As far as the draft goes, I know WR is a need, but I wouldn't use a 1st on it. I think a Rushbacker should be drafted. Colvin isn't that great, and Vrabel should be moved inside with Bruschi next year. Draft 2 OLB rush backers to generate better pressure, and resign Samuel and youre back. You guys have one of the more underrrated defenses in the league. The talent is definately there. And with Brady on offense, you guys have the talent to make a push for the SB every year.

I think Colvin is our best LB. He IS Great of the edge. We definately need an ILB more then an OLB. As for WR I think we now need one badly.

[alca1992]

1. Not enough blitzing. He had Peyton rattled everytime he brought the heat. I guess he wasn't confident in his coverage downfield with heavy blitzing, but it worked successfully every time he tried. He needed to do more blitzes, but became far too passive.

.

i think we blitzed too much

[Santos-Stanton47]

so the million dollar question


Do we resign Asante?

Do we draft a CB or S?

MLB or OLB? RT or WR?


gosh..im so confused, i thought having two picks would make things great but im not liking our needs right now

[EHobbs27]

I say we do bring back Asante whether or not it be with the franchise tag or not.

I'm just as confused as you are. We need an ILB with speed and good coverage skills, we need a FS who can cover, and we need a WR who can catch the ball. The only problem is I don't know the order of when we will take these 3 positions.

[tylaw24]

so the million dollar question


Do we resign Asante? They should definately try!

Do we draft a CB or S? BOTH!

MLB or OLB? RT or WR? All except RT, I'm unsure why you can added it?


gosh..im so confused, i thought having two picks would make things great but im not liking our needs right now

[Troj2man]

I think we can use our 2 first picks on a lb and fs. Maybe the pats will grow balls and spend some money on stallworth? Or they can still get a good wr in the 2nd round with bowie,williams.

[255979119]

We need a sure handed guy who will eventually take over for Brown, that is why I like Welker, he has decent hands and has shown to be a reliable wideout as a number 3 or 4 guy in MIAMI, he cought 64 balls i believe and will continue to grow better and better, plus he is a stellar punt returner, something we would need to fill

[terribletowel39]

They definitely need to dish out the money and try to keep Asante. He is clearly a key part of their defense; he has had some HUGE interceptions this year, especially in the playoffs. If they let him go, I will be extremely disappointed. I say they need to pick up a new WR for sure. Although Tom hasn’t need someone great in that position in the past, imagine someone who can actually catch the ball out there (cough Reche Caldwell cough :roll: ). They can probably still pick up an ok WR in the second round though, so I agree LB/FS would be their best bet for a first round pick.

[bigbluedefense]

They definitely need to dish out the money and try to keep Asante. He is clearly a key part of their defense; he has had some HUGE interceptions this year, especially in the playoffs. If they let him go, I will be extremely disappointed. I say they need to pick up a new WR for sure. Although Tom hasn’t need someone great in that position in the past, imagine someone who can actually catch the ball out there (cough Reche Caldwell cough :roll: ). They can probably still pick up an ok WR in the second round though, so I agree LB/FS would be their best bet for a first round pick.

Yup, thats pretty much the blueprint. You hit it on the head. Although Id be wary of round 1 LBs.

Pioli is not a big fan of drafting ILBs in round 1, and this class doesn't particularly warrant the need to draft a ILB in round 1. Safety is definately a need, and will be taken in the 1st by you guys.

The ILB issue is overrated. 3-4 ILBs are big run stuffers. Youre not gonna get Urlacher in there, those types struggle in the 3-4. Thats why Bellichick runs alot of LB zones, because they can't pursue sideline to sideline in man coverage.

These ILBs in this draft don't fit the 3-4 bill. Theyre all too undersized. Maybe someone is pursued in FA, like Donnie Edwards who has experience to make up for his size defiencies, and perhaps a round 2 LB.

I think you guys should steal Chase Blackburn from us. He's a sleeper waiting to be unleashed, and I guarantee he'd be successful in your scheme. He's RFA though.

[Don Vito]

They definitely need to dish out the money and try to keep Asante. He is clearly a key part of their defense; he has had some HUGE interceptions this year, especially in the playoffs. If they let him go, I will be extremely disappointed. I say they need to pick up a new WR for sure. Although Tom hasn’t need someone great in that position in the past, imagine someone who can actually catch the ball out there (cough Reche Caldwell cough :roll: ). They can probably still pick up an ok WR in the second round though, so I agree LB/FS would be their best bet for a first round pick.

Yup, thats pretty much the blueprint. You hit it on the head. Although Id be wary of round 1 LBs.

Pioli is not a big fan of drafting ILBs in round 1, and this class doesn't particularly warrant the need to draft a ILB in round 1. Safety is definately a need, and will be taken in the 1st by you guys.

The ILB issue is overrated. 3-4 ILBs are big run stuffers. Youre not gonna get Urlacher in there, those types struggle in the 3-4. Thats why Bellichick runs alot of LB zones, because they can't pursue sideline to sideline in man coverage.

These ILBs in this draft don't fit the 3-4 bill. Theyre all too undersized. Maybe someone is pursued in FA, like Donnie Edwards who has experience to make up for his size defiencies, and perhaps a round 2 LB.

I think you guys should steal Chase Blackburn from us. He's a sleeper waiting to be unleashed, and I guarantee he'd be successful in your scheme. He's RFA though.

Yea of all our constant starting LB's (Colvin-Bruschi-Vrabel-Banta Cain) all of them were DE's out of college. I think NE will take a hard look at Woodley because he is a player that seems like a good fit here, as does Jarvis Moss who is another possibility. David Harris may get a look as well. I dont think Willis, Puz, or any of the other big name LBs have a shot at NE, but I have a feeling that we may end up with Abiamiri (whether it be in round 1 or 2). I see him as a 4-3 DE, but he seems like a player who could end up here. Moses could fall to us but I don't think we would take him.

Also remeber this name - Victor DeGrate, Oklahoma St. I think he may be a days 2 pick by NE. Physically, he is a Colvin clone at 6-3 250 and probably a 4.9 (Colvin ran a 5.0 40). He is a great pass rusher and has experience at OLB. He is a prototypical 3-4 OLB.

[remix 6]

anyone insider at scout?

can someone tell me if they have anything on who we talked to

i looked around

scott said: Stanton - unlikely we draft him really and he said Chris Davis. I saw on Draftdaddy that we talked w/ Woodley

anyone have anything?

[tylaw24]

anyone insider at scout?

can someone tell me if they have anything on who we talked to

i looked around

scott said: Stanton - unlikely we draft him really and he said Chris Davis. I saw on Draftdaddy that we talked w/ Woodley

anyone have anything?

Yeah I read the thing about Woodley on Draft Daddy too. I've been looking around the net, and it seems that Belichick has been spotted personally attending multiple Brown games and practices and is interested in an ILB named Zak DeOssie.

The guy has some decent stats and is relatively unheard of. The links I have aren't really that credible, but this the best i could find so early in the scouting process.

This is an interesting article about DeOssie which probably explains why Bill has been spotted at his games:

http://www.boston.com/sports/colleges/football/articles/2005/09/15/zak_deossie_making_a_case_for_his_defense/?page=1

Maybe Belichick might take a chance on him . . you never know.

[alca1992]

We need a sure handed guy who will eventually take over for Brown, that is why I like Welker, he has decent hands and has shown to be a reliable wideout as a number 3 or 4 guy in MIAMI, he cought 64 balls i believe and will continue to grow better and better, plus he is a stellar punt returner, something we would need to fill

i agree with you thats hes a good player and hes underated but hes not a #1 WR

[bingbing]

In last years draft the Patriots surprised me my picking 6 straight offenses players. 2 tight ends in a row! What kind of surprises do you think that the patriots will pull out of their sleeves this year?


http://www.patriots.com/draft/2006/

[alca1992]

In last years draft the Patriots surprised me my picking 6 straight offenses players. 2 tight ends in a row! What kind of surprises do you think that the patriots will pull out of their sleeves this year?


http://www.patriots.com/draft/2006/

i was so mad when we took Garrit Mills in the 3rd

[bingbing]

Ya me too. What the hell type of pick was that! Garret who. Give me a break.

[alca1992]

Ya me too. What the hell type of pick was that! Garret who. Give me a break.

but i did like dave thomas( it makes me think of wendys) and i loved the gostowski pick

[bingbing]

What do you guys think of these picks?

24. Daymeion Hughes CB. CAL
30. Paul Posluszny LB Penn State
60. Eric Weddle S. Utah

[Don Vito]

What do you guys think of these picks?

24. Daymeion Hughes CB. CAL
30. Paul Posluszny LB Penn State
60. Eric Weddle S. Utah

I don't think the Pats would really look into Puz because he is a little bit of a better fit for the 4-3. He could play 3-4 ILB but if we take one of those day 1 it will probably be someone like David Harris from Michigan. I like Weddle, but he is more of a FS/CB and we need a SS if we are taking a safety. I dont think we would use the #24 on Hughes as their will probably be better (pro-caliber) players available. Fresno St. is a pipeline school for us so we may take him.

All of those players are all strong cantidates to be taken by us however. We also need some help at tackle.

As for suprise positions taken, we could possibly take a DE or TE day 1, especially if Graham leaves.

[Santos-Stanton47]

i think we need,

WR
S? i dont know which one, maybe SS
ILB
OLB

anyways, check out my article i wrote it for my school mag

Hey Chargers! Take Advice from Ron Burgundy… ”Stay Classy San Diego”
Opinion By Adam R. Keech

It’s not too long ago that the Patriots met the Chargers, so to recap it, and explain it for all you unloyal New Englanders. It was the Divisional Playoffs, meaning the two teams were out of 4 teams in their conference (AFC) to reach the Super Bowl to represent the AFC. The Chargers were the best team in the NFL; not even arguably, they seemed to be in rhythm every week of the year. The two studs LaDainian “LT” Tomlinson, and Shawne “Lights Out” Merriman. LT scored an NFL record 31 Touchdowns for a RB, and Merriman was a few votes away from being the NFL’s Defensive MVP. Compare 6 Pro Bowlers on San Diego to only 1 in New England. Did it matter?

Okay, Okay, we realize it was a great game, the Pats got lucky sometimes but, lets face it, it was NOT the game that was the story here. Rather the Pre-Game and Post-Game comments, actions, and reactions. The word “class” gets tossed around, a bit too much. “This guy is a class act” “Oh, he has no class at all, don’t celebrate touchdowns”, “He’s a great player, and a classy guy.” And to be real, I'm just sick of it. We know they get paid millions, and get great endorsements, we know they can score touchdowns and get sacks, so why not celebrate it? I don’t really know. There is a fine line between retaliation in sports than blatant class-less gloating. What the Patriots did, crossed the line, BUT barely in that matter.

"I would never react in that way. I was very upset," Tomlinson said. "When you go to the middle of our field and start doing the dance Shawne Merriman is known for, that is disrespectful. They showed no class and maybe that comes from the head coach."
That right there is WRONG, and not ”classy.” You NEVER disrespect one of the greatest coaches of all time after a disappointing loss. Yeah, I know how he must feel, MVP, great team, complete team, but lose it every time when it counts. I know it kills him inside to see Patriots celebrate like they did GROW UP! You have a giant mansion and millions of dollars to roll around in.

Oh and by they way, it’s not cool to state that "You guys know me, I'm a very classy person.” Yeah LT, I said it, it’s not classy to state that you are classy, that’s just as bad as the Patriots saying they’re good, when everyone knows they are. Class? Class? Hmm… is this the same LT who wears “Raiders Suck” T-shirts to every Raiders game he plays in. Is this the captain of a team who seems to keep talking and talking. Like last year when the Patriots went down to the Broncos, Head Coach Marty Schottenheimer said “Well, it was a great run, that’s a good team, a good dynasty, but it’s too bad it’s over.” As a Head Coach of a “classy” team, you can’t count out a team who lost in the playoffs during an off year to their glory days. WOW! LT wants to say “classy” Nice choice of words. Look at your own team history before stating “class” in a post-game press conference.

"It was upsetting to see because they won three Super Bowls," Merriman said, according to the Boston Herald. "It's like a guy on a fast break in basketball and dunking the ball and getting excited. You've won three Super Bowls. You don't do that." Hmmm….Sounds like a little ‘Roid Rage Merriman, calm down buddy. Oh, by the way, isn’t it you who criticizes the Pats celebrating when in fact you do the “Lights Out Flip” or as I like to call it “The ‘Roid Romp” Every time I see him doing that dance, it makes me want to fly to San Diego, get tickets, run on to the field and slap his “lights out”

It’s absolutely hypocritical for Merriman to say that, when in fact a year after winning the Rookie Of The Year, and a Pro Bowl selection, he has to celebrate or keep showing everyone how good he is by injecting steroids.
Well Merriman, do you really want to know why they’ve won three Super Bowls? It’s because they act like they haven’t been there before, like this is new to them. It keeps them excited, hungry and still wanting to achieve where other teams get complacent when they’ve experienced the kind of success the Patriots had. If you or the Chargers want to win a Super Bowl you have to stop blaming others, complaining, and in Merriman’s case, inject steroids.

“They should act like they’ve been there before” actually, the ones who made fun of Merriman’s ‘Roid Romp, haven’t really been there before. Ellis Hobbs, a young corner, who like Rosevelt Colvin, Vince Wilfork, Ty Warren, haven’t really been there. The experienced leaders and captains were not seen celebrating. Those guys are just fun loving, and sometimes nasty players who, when confronted about losing, or when the media talks about how great LT is, they snap, when finally all the Chargers bandwagon hype is stopped. You don’t see Tom Brady, Rodney Harrison or Tedy Bruschi celebrating, and those are the players who truly represent that team. They were provoked. Point blank. Planning parades, continued talk of how great the Chargers are, holding a Patriot bashing rally the night before the game got to the Patriots and they used to as fuel to win the big game.

You cannot tell me for a second, that if your opponent had annoying celebrations after every play, MVP talk, Super Bowl picks, and planned celebratory parades, that you wouldn’t at least make fun of their favorite Defensive player. It’s fair, so please don’t say its not, they taunt and poke, we win games! Take your MVP, take Merriman, take your “class”, it doesn’t matter, the New England Patriots win Super Bowls, they’ve got rings, and in the coming years, more rings. Think about it, the Patriots will rebuild their relatively weak team from last year into a young monster. Next season, according to reports, the Patriots have roughly $30 million in cap space. They have two first-round picks in the 2007 draft. Giving Pioli $30 million and an extra No. 1 pick is like giving Shawne Merriman an extra syringe. Expect massive results.

[andy82]

The Patriots will take a CB (McCauley of Fresno St.?) with the Seahawks pick, and hopefully a WR with their original pick. Dwayne Bowe of LSU would be a perfect compliment to Chad Jackson, as Bowe would be the possesion receiver on one side, and Jackson would be the big play man on the other. These two would become the core of the offense along with Brady (obviously) and Maroney.

[bingbing]

To me honest. I will be kind of mad if we draft a receiver in the early rounds. I don't want to be stuck drafting receivers like the Falcons and the Lions. With there first pick they have drafted receivers 3 straight years except for last year. It hasn't worked for them it won't work for us. Drafting a receiver with a late first round draft pick is a bad idea. They suck. Defense oh players are good to draft late. There is a better chance that they aren't a bust. Drafting a receiver looks good at first, but in the next couple of years after you drafted them you realized they were a bust and you should have picked a defense of player.

We drafted a receiver last year lets not get in the tread of drafting bad receiver with late picks.

[EHobbs27]

We have also talked with Brandon Myles according to Scott. I like this kid as well. I agree about WR. Many later round WR's have done well lately and the bust rate of 1st round WR's is way too high.

[andy82]

What you two have said is true, but (sort of) desperate times call for (sort of) desperate measures. If you think about the Colts game( :evil: ), we lost 2 TD's due to dropped passes. If Caldwell had caught that one pass where there was no one near him, the Addai touchdown would have tied the game, not won it. Our leading receiver in the playoffs was Jabar Gaffney, who was once cut from HOU. Tom Brady turned him into a good player. Imagine what Brady could do if he had some real talent in the receiving corps.

[255979119]

We need a sure handed guy who will eventually take over for Brown, that is why I like Welker, he has decent hands and has shown to be a reliable wideout as a number 3 or 4 guy in MIAMI, he cought 64 balls i believe and will continue to grow better and better, plus he is a stellar punt returner, something we would need to fill

i agree with you thats hes a good player and hes underated but hes not a #1 WR


I never said he was a number one wideout, I simply said he is a great returner (NCAA best all time) and he can take over browns position which is mainly as a slot receiver

[tylaw24]

We need a sure handed guy who will eventually take over for Brown, that is why I like Welker, he has decent hands and has shown to be a reliable wideout as a number 3 or 4 guy in MIAMI, he cought 64 balls i believe and will continue to grow better and better, plus he is a stellar punt returner, something we would need to fill

i agree with you thats hes a good player and hes underated but hes not a #1 WR


I never said he was a number one wideout, I simply said he is a great returner (NCAA best all time) and he can take over browns position which is mainly as a slot receiver

What compensation would we have to give up to get Wes Welker?

He put up some decent numbers last season, plus he's a divison rival.

These would have to factor into acquiring him.

[diabsoule]

What do you think the chances are of you guys resigning Daniel Graham?

[tylaw24]

What do you think the chances are of you guys resigning Daniel Graham?

I'd guess it's 50/50. I think it is purely based on the direction Belichick and Pioli want to go with the team. Money should not be an issue here because I heard a little while ago that we are at least 30 million under the salary cap next season.

I think that Asante Samuel should be the first priority for re-signing followed by Dan Graham in order of importance. Both are important parts of the team, but I wouldn't be surprised if one was let go.

[Handel]

In last years draft the Patriots surprised me my picking 6 straight offenses players. 2 tight ends in a row! What kind of surprises do you think that the patriots will pull out of their sleeves this year?


http://www.patriots.com/draft/2006/

i was so mad when we took Garrit Mills in the 3rd

David Thomas you mean?

[alca1992]

In last years draft the Patriots surprised me my picking 6 straight offenses players. 2 tight ends in a row! What kind of surprises do you think that the patriots will pull out of their sleeves this year?


http://www.patriots.com/draft/2006/

i was so mad when we took Garrit Mills in the 3rd

David Thomas you mean?

no i liked that pick

[Jango]

In last years draft the Patriots surprised me my picking 6 straight offenses players. 2 tight ends in a row! What kind of surprises do you think that the patriots will pull out of their sleeves this year?


http://www.patriots.com/draft/2006/

i was so mad when we took Garrit Mills in the 3rd

David Thomas you mean?

no i liked that pick

Ok, so why did you say you were mad at Mills being picked in the 3rd, when on the site it clearly says he was drafted in the 4th?

[alca1992]

In last years draft the Patriots surprised me my picking 6 straight offenses players. 2 tight ends in a row! What kind of surprises do you think that the patriots will pull out of their sleeves this year?


http://www.patriots.com/draft/2006/

i was so mad when we took Garrit Mills in the 3rd

David Thomas you mean?

no i liked that pick

Ok, so why did you say you were mad at Mills being picked in the 3rd, when on the site it clearly says he was drafted in the 4th?

my bad thats right it was the 4th

[255979119]

Thomas and Mills were clearly drafted in case of Grahams depature


But so far we have seen nothing of Mills and only receiving aspects of Dave so it would be hard to decide if the pats would keep the best blocking end in the league

[MichaelJordanEberle (sabf)]

Hey alca, I got your pm, but I can't pm people back, plus I'm not the Denver GM.

[Don Vito]

We better not take a TE before round 6 this year though. It looks like may hang on to Graham, as we made him captain and he has emerged as a great player. He has also been happy with NE and he has been able to stay healthy, so its looking good now. Hopefully we can keep him, Asante, and Tully.

Those picks of Thomas and Mills were fine imo. Thomas will be a good #3 pass cathcher (especially if we keep Graham), and we drafted Thomas as a FB not a TE, as he is about 5-11. If he gets healthy he could be a dynamic player for us.

[bingbing]

Oops i accidently deleted by picture under my name. How do i get that back. Sorry i'm a noob. But i do know alot about the Patriots.

[tylaw24]

Oops i accidently deleted by picture under my name. How do i get that back. Sorry i'm a noob. But i do know alot about the Patriots.

Do you still have the picture saved on your computer?

[tylaw24]

What do you people as Patriots fans think of Quentin Moses? Would he be a good fit as an OLB in our 3-4? He wouldn't have to step in right away because of Colvin and whoever we pick up in free agency, but is he a Pioli/Belichick type of player?

[alca1992]

What do you people as Patriots fans think of Quentin Moses? Would he be a good fit as an OLB in our 3-4? He wouldn't have to step in right away because of Colvin and whoever we pick up in free agency, but is he a Pioli/Belichick type of player?

i dont like him i have seen him play tons (i live in georiga) and he is really overated

[255979119]

Need a MLB over OLB

[Don Vito]

Need a MLB over OLB

Yea we desperately need a good MLB (or two) to either replace Bruschi or slide Vrabel back outside. I think we could maybe get a shot at Willis, and David Harris will definitely be there (maybe even in round 2).

I know we only draft DE's, but we are gonna need to make an exception this year. I expect us to draft at least one ILB, or at least get another UDFA.

[Naked Jehuty]

Hey pat fans, did you know Asante Samuel wants a new contract? The Pats have never been a team to resign their unrestricted stars, they either make a new contract before its up or they let em go. But you guys will still be seein him twice a year in a green and white uniform. All joking aside, do you guys think he's going to be resigned?

[Jay]

He'll get franchised. Just like the other "unrestricted star" Vinitieri got tagged like two years in a row. No way they let him walk for free.

And I am still waiting for someone to let me know just ONE of the "unrestricted stars" that we've just let "walk away" that we should regret losing. Just ONE. Please. I am begging. Someone. Anyone. There's obviously a HUGE list I am missing, because everyone keeps reminding me.

[255979119]

Well maybe Bill put Alexander in at MLB for more than one reason, it is not just that Vrabel is better on the outside, it could be also that Alexander is going to be forced into a new role next season.

[EHobbs27]

Well the Senior Bowl showed me a lot with certain guys this week:

-Quentin Moses will be a bust and will fall to round 2. I saw one play yesterday in the 4th quarter when he got some pressure, but other then that he was terrible.

-If Jay Moore can play OLB in a 3-4 defense then I would love to grab him. He was a beast yesterday. Also Anthony Spencer was very good rushing off the edge.

-I now have Dwayne Bowe as my 3rd rated WR and Jason Hill as my 6th rated WR, but I would take either of them over some juniors this year. We went with the junior route last year with Jackson and it didn't quite work out to well. Hill and Bowe are both ready for the NFL and they showed it this week.

-Patrick Willis is better in a 4-3 defense then a 3-4 defense, but either Michigan LB will fit just fine in a 3-4 defense. Willis is too small and probab;y won't last to our pick anyways. He was all over the field yesterday, but did get eaten alive by bigger blockers. David Harris on the other hand looked really good. He made one of the best plays yesterday when he read the screen pass and tackled Darby for a huge loss.

-While Brandon Meriweather does have character issues, he is a stud at saftey.

[Don Vito]

Well the Senior Bowl showed me a lot with certain guys this week:

-Quentin Moses will be a bust and will fall to round 2. I saw one play yesterday in the 4th quarter when he got some pressure, but other then that he was terrible.

-If Jay Moore can play OLB in a 3-4 defense then I would love to grab him. He was a beast yesterday. Also Anthony Spencer was very good rushing off the edge.

-I now have Dwayne Bowe as my 3rd rated WR and Jason Hill as my 6th rated WR, but I would take either of them over some juniors this year. We went with the junior route last year with Jackson and it didn't quite work out to well. Hill and Bowe are both ready for the NFL and they showed it this week.

-Patrick Willis is better in a 4-3 defense then a 3-4 defense, but either Michigan LB will fit just fine in a 3-4 defense. Willis is too small and probab;y won't last to our pick anyways. He was all over the field yesterday, but did get eaten alive by bigger blockers. David Harris on the other hand looked really good. He made one of the best plays yesterday when he read the screen pass and tackled Darby for a huge loss.

-While Brandon Meriweather does have character issues, he is a stud at saftey.

Nebraska usually has very big DE's that translate to 3-4 DE's, and Moore will be a DE if he plays for a 3-4 team IMO. I know his scouting reaport says 3-4 OLB but I think he would be a good 3-4 DE. I agree with you that he is a stud wherever he plays, he was overshadowed by Carriker. I would love to see a day 2 pick spent on him if he is still around.

Willis could play 3-4 ILB for us. He has very good potential at 3-4 ILB.

As for Meriweather, his character concerns are a problem. But I still think he has a shot at being drafted by us for some reason. He is a flat out player. I would be ecstatic if we ended up with him, Landry, Nelson, or Griffin in round 1. I think they will all be solid pros. Reggie Nelson has Patriots written all over him but he probably won't be available.

255979119, Alexander is going to get a shot next year. As are Pierre Woods at OLB and Corey Mays at ILB. Alexander was playing in the Colts game because of the speed advantage he has over Banta-Cain (EA took Vrabel's spot and they put Vrabel at OLB for Tully). Alexander should be a good player. Watch out for Woods though, he is a freak. 6-5 250 with very good speed. He was a special teams demon and should become a big part of our defense.

[Don Vito]

Another thing- there is a player I guarantee you we end up with whether it is through the draft or UDFA- Zak DeOssie, ILB, Brown. Scott put him in the rankings so maybe he will start getting some pub on the site.

He is an ideal 3-4 ILB. He has EVERYTHING that the Patriots look for in a player-size (6-4 240), good speed (4.7), good agility, and he is a freakin' genius (went to Brown). On top of everything he a local kid from Andover. Remeber this because we wll end up with him IMO.

[EHobbs27]

He is an ideal 3-4 ILB. He has EVERYTHING that the Patriots look for in a player-size (6-4 240), good speed (4.7), good agility, and he is a freakin' genius (went to Brown). On top of everything he a local kid from Andover. Remeber this because we wll end up with him IMO.


I wouldn't be suprised either. I have a friend on the Brown football team, and he said that Belichick was actually at a good chunk of their practices to watch DeOssie.

[Jay]

Zak won't go undrafted, the Pats would take him in the 7th as a favor, no doubt.

[EHobbs27]

I think he'll go in round 5 or 6.

[Don Vito]

He really could, and I could see us drafting him as early as round 4-5. The only thing he is truly lacking is big-time college experience.

Ehobbs27, do you know how the Nuzzo brothers are doing at Brown? One is a junior and the other a sophmore I think but I really haven't heard much about them since they left Everett.

[tylaw24]

Another thing- there is a player I guarantee you we end up with whether it is through the draft or UDFA- Zak DeOssie, ILB, Brown. Scott put him in the rankings so maybe he will start getting some pub on the site.

He is an ideal 3-4 ILB. He has EVERYTHING that the Patriots look for in a player-size (6-4 240), good speed (4.7), good agility, and he is a freakin' genius (went to Brown). On top of everything he a local kid from Andover. Remeber this because we wll end up with him IMO.

Oh for sure. I mentioned Zak back on page 14, and I definitely think anyone making a Patriots Mock should consider putting him in there somewhere. If I were to guess, I'd say they'll pick him up in the 5th round like Ehobbs said before, but we gave up ours in a trade for Doug Gabriel. It's likely that they will do a trade or two and end up with a 5th anyway.

[tylaw24]

Harrison will return to Pats

01:00 AM EST on Saturday, January 27, 2007

Patriots safety Rodney Harrison confirmed yesterday that he will be back with the team next season despite suffering three significant injuries in the last 16 months. The last was a strained right medial collateral ligament, injured in the regular-season finale against Tennessee.

"No question," he said on WEEI. ""I don’t know why it’s even a question of me not wanting to be there. The Patriots have been good to me, I feel like it’s been a great relationship. Bill Belichick is the best coach I’ve ever played for, (New England is) the best organization. It’s just been a tremendous opportunity for me. I definitely want to be here and I’ll do whatever it takes for me to be here."

Harrison also said he’s "100 percent positive" he would have played in the Super Bowl had New England made it that far. The Patriots lost the AFC Championship Game to Indianapolis last Sunday

http://www.projo.com/patriots/content/sp_fbn_harrison_01-27-07_7744SC7.17a452a.html

This is good news. If we take a Safety in the 1st round, he'll have a year to learn from Rodney. I personally thought the injuries would take its toll on Harrison, but the Pats should feel that much more comfortable going into this years draft.

[bigbluedefense]

Hey guys, what do you think of this 4 round mock.

1. Michael Griffin (SS)
Griffin can be the heir to Harrison who lost a step and is becoming injury prone. I doubt Landry or Nelson is on the board but Griffin would be great for the Pats as well.

1. Anthony Spencer (OLB)
I think that the pass rush could use more speed. Spencer would be a great addition to the pass rush, and he's smart which is a plus for Bellichick's defense. This would allow you guys to move Vrabel inside.

2. Marcus McCauley (CB)
I know he had a horrible year, but he does have crazy measureables. If Bellichick can coach this kid up, he'll really be something special, and with Samuel probably out the door, you guys need to find a guy who can be his replacement. McCauley has the physique to be that guy, now he needs to learn how to use it. Bellichick has done a great job with makeshift DBs before, Im sure he can coach this kid up to be good.

3. Stewart Bradley (ILB)
Bruschi is getting old and is considering retirement. This guy would slip right into the ILB role and do fine. He's smart, instinctual, a leader, has size etc. His speed concerns are overrated, he'll be fine.

4. Chansi Stuckey (WR)
He has speed to stretch a defense, something you guys lack, and he can also return kicks/punts, so worst case scenario he will be a good special teams player. Worth a go, he's raw and with some good coaching can be a good player.

[alca1992]

Hey guys, what do you think of this 4 round mock.

1. Michael Griffin (SS)
Griffin can be the heir to Harrison who lost a step and is becoming injury prone. I doubt Landry or Nelson is on the board but Griffin would be great for the Pats as well.

1. Anthony Spencer (OLB)
I think that the pass rush could use more speed. Spencer would be a great addition to the pass rush, and he's smart which is a plus for Bellichick's defense. This would allow you guys to move Vrabel inside.

2. Marcus McCauley (CB)
I know he had a horrible year, but he does have crazy measureables. If Bellichick can coach this kid up, he'll really be something special, and with Samuel probably out the door, you guys need to find a guy who can be his replacement. McCauley has the physique to be that guy, now he needs to learn how to use it. Bellichick has done a great job with makeshift DBs before, Im sure he can coach this kid up to be good.

3. Stewart Bradley (ILB)
Bruschi is getting old and is considering retirement. This guy would slip right into the ILB role and do fine. He's smart, instinctual, a leader, has size etc. His speed concerns are overrated, he'll be fine.

4. Chansi Stuckey (WR)
He has speed to stretch a defense, something you guys lack, and he can also return kicks/punts, so worst case scenario he will be a good special teams player. Worth a go, he's raw and with some good coaching can be a good player.

i would rather get a WR than spencer

[alca1992]

Harrison will return to Pats

01:00 AM EST on Saturday, January 27, 2007

Patriots safety Rodney Harrison confirmed yesterday that he will be back with the team next season despite suffering three significant injuries in the last 16 months. The last was a strained right medial collateral ligament, injured in the regular-season finale against Tennessee.

"No question," he said on WEEI. ""I don’t know why it’s even a question of me not wanting to be there. The Patriots have been good to me, I feel like it’s been a great relationship. Bill Belichick is the best coach I’ve ever played for, (New England is) the best organization. It’s just been a tremendous opportunity for me. I definitely want to be here and I’ll do whatever it takes for me to be here."

Harrison also said he’s "100 percent positive" he would have played in the Super Bowl had New England made it that far. The Patriots lost the AFC Championship Game to Indianapolis last Sunday

http://www.projo.com/patriots/content/sp_fbn_harrison_01-27-07_7744SC7.17a452a.html

This is good news. If we take a Safety in the 1st round, he'll have a year to learn from Rodney. I personally thought the injuries would take its toll on Harrison, but the Pats should feel that much more comfortable going into this years draft.

well thats good

[EHobbs27]

bigbluedefense wrote:
Hey guys, what do you think of this 4 round mock.

1. Michael Griffin (SS)
Griffin can be the heir to Harrison who lost a step and is becoming injury prone. I doubt Landry or Nelson is on the board but Griffin would be great for the Pats as well.

1. Anthony Spencer (OLB)
I think that the pass rush could use more speed. Spencer would be a great addition to the pass rush, and he's smart which is a plus for Bellichick's defense. This would allow you guys to move Vrabel inside.

2. Marcus McCauley (CB)
I know he had a horrible year, but he does have crazy measureables. If Bellichick can coach this kid up, he'll really be something special, and with Samuel probably out the door, you guys need to find a guy who can be his replacement. McCauley has the physique to be that guy, now he needs to learn how to use it. Bellichick has done a great job with makeshift DBs before, Im sure he can coach this kid up to be good.

3. Stewart Bradley (ILB)
Bruschi is getting old and is considering retirement. This guy would slip right into the ILB role and do fine. He's smart, instinctual, a leader, has size etc. His speed concerns are overrated, he'll be fine.

4. Chansi Stuckey (WR)
He has speed to stretch a defense, something you guys lack, and he can also return kicks/punts, so worst case scenario he will be a good special teams player. Worth a go, he's raw and with some good coaching can be a good player.



Not bad. I would give it a B. I like Spencer and Stuckey, but I'm not crazy about Griffin or McCauley. McCauley struggled in the Senior Bowl and didn't show me anything. I want Meriweather over Griffin, but Griffin wouldnt be a terrible pick.

[255979119]

Sanders is the future at SS for us, he played reasonably well this season and will only get better with experience.

[Don Vito]

The only thing about Sanders is that he lacks ideal speed for safety. When he played this year we had to keep him a lot farther off the line than we did Harrison. He played pretty well this year, but I think I like him more as a backup. He was very solid against the run and short passes, but a lot of big plays were given up by him this year. He probably will be our SS of the future, even though I think we should get a SS through the draft this year.

[255979119]

Harrison does not have "blazing" speed either, the thing about Sanders is that he takes to big of a step forward on pump fakes or play action

As for his speed I don't think it would be a huge problem as long as we are getting decent coverage from the FS position, which would allow Sanders to do what Harrison does best, crowd the line and roam the secondary

[Handel]

Need a MLB over OLB

Yes but good 3-4 OLB are found earlier than good 3-4 ILB.

[Handel]

Stewart Bradley seems exactly what we need at ILB (as run stuffer)

http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/olb/stewartbradley.html

Strengths:
Has good size and a big frame...Has an excellent motor...Terrific instincts...Stout against the run and can take on blockers...Smooth and fluid in coverage...A solid tackler with good technique...Good pass rusher and blitzer...Is smart and a hard worker with great intangibles...Physical and aggressive...Special teams potential.

Weaknesses:
Speed and overall athleticism are only average...Long-term health and durability are major concerns...Lacks top-notch quickness and agility....Does not have great range...Hands and ball skills are sub par...Production was okay, not outstanding.

Notes:
Only played one year of high school football (junior) due to injuries and tore his ACL in 2005...Part of a three-time national champion rugby team as a prep...A very good prospect who does everything well but nothing great...Projects to the strongside as a pro but is versatile and also has some experience in the middle and at defensive end...May get pushed up boards in a weak class of linebackers.

[Don Vito]

Yea I like Bradley a lot. If he is still around in rounds 3-4 I think we would take a shot on him, he has everything that the Patriots generally like.

[will.e.ward]

What do ya pats fans feel about taking Robert Meachem with your second 1st rounder?

[EHobbs27]

If there was one WR that I would want in round 1, I would lean towards Meachum. I like him a little better then Rice.

[RollingThunder]

If there was one WR that I would want in round 1, I would lean towards Meachum. I like him a little better then Rice.

Not to mention that Spurrier's WRs tend to be busts.

[EHobbs27]

Yeah, but I think Rice is an exception. I still feel Rice will be good, but the reason why I'm not sure yet if I want him is he is still raw.

[NIN1984]

When will Matt Cassel be a free agent?

[RollingThunder]

When will Matt Cassel be a free agent?

2 more years?

[255979119]

When will Matt Cassel be a free agent?


Does it matter?


He is a good backup and a great "system" quarterback but it is not like we can't afford to lose him

[Matthew Jones]

What do you guys think of this Patriots mock draft?

1. (f/SEA) Daymeion Hughes, CB/California
1. Joe Staley, OT/Central Michigan
2. Stewart Bradley, OLB/Nebraska
3. H.B. Blades, ILB/Pittsburgh
4. John Wendling, SS/Wyoming
5. *Pick traded to OAK for WR Doug Gabriel*
5. (comp.) Rhema McKnight, WR/Notre Dame
5. (comp.) Chris Davis, WR/Florida St.
6. John Talley, CB/Duke
7. (f/CLE) Chase Pittman, DE/L.S.U.
7. (f/ARI) Le'Ron McClain, FB/Alabama
7. (f/PIT) Garrett Wolfe, RB/Northern Illinois
7. Justin Zwick, QB/Ohio St.

[alca1992]

What do you guys think of this Patriots mock draft?

1. (f/SEA) Daymeion Hughes, CB/California
1. Joe Staley, OT/Central Michigan
2. Stewart Bradley, OLB/Nebraska
3. H.B. Blades, ILB/Pittsburgh
4. John Wendling, SS/Wyoming
5. *Pick traded to OAK for WR Doug Gabriel*
5. (comp.) Rhema McKnight, WR/Notre Dame
5. (comp.) Chris Davis, WR/Florida St.
6. John Talley, CB/Duke
7. (f/CLE) Chase Pittman, DE/L.S.U.
7. (f/ARI) Le'Ron McClain, FB/Alabama
7. (f/PIT) Garrett Wolfe, RB/Northern Illinois
7. Justin Zwick, QB/Ohio St.

:shock: no WR in the 1st

[Jango]

What do you guys think of this Patriots mock draft?

1. (f/SEA) Daymeion Hughes, CB/California
1. Joe Staley, OT/Central Michigan
2. Stewart Bradley, OLB/Nebraska
3. H.B. Blades, ILB/Pittsburgh
4. John Wendling, SS/Wyoming
5. *Pick traded to OAK for WR Doug Gabriel*
5. (comp.) Rhema McKnight, WR/Notre Dame
5. (comp.) Chris Davis, WR/Florida St.
6. John Talley, CB/Duke
7. (f/CLE) Chase Pittman, DE/L.S.U.
7. (f/ARI) Le'Ron McClain, FB/Alabama
7. (f/PIT) Garrett Wolfe, RB/Northern Illinois
7. Justin Zwick, QB/Ohio St.

I think leaving a WR till that late isn't the way to go. I would prefer to take the WR in the first where you have us taking a OT, I don't think that OT is a round 1 concern, although certainly we could pick one up later on in the draft. Apart from that, I think that most needs are addresed, although I would prefer a WR higher up but it's pretty solid.

BTW, how many people have applied for the Offseason mock? I'd be pretty up for it, although with my low post count I don't think I could be selected, unless one of you guys want me as a co-gm.

[EHobbs27]

What do you guys think of this Patriots mock draft?

1. (f/SEA) Daymeion Hughes, CB/California
1. Joe Staley, OT/Central Michigan
2. Stewart Bradley, OLB/Nebraska
3. H.B. Blades, ILB/Pittsburgh
4. John Wendling, SS/Wyoming
5. *Pick traded to OAK for WR Doug Gabriel*
5. (comp.) Rhema McKnight, WR/Notre Dame
5. (comp.) Chris Davis, WR/Florida St.
6. John Talley, CB/Duke
7. (f/CLE) Chase Pittman, DE/L.S.U.
7. (f/ARI) Le'Ron McClain, FB/Alabama
7. (f/PIT) Garrett Wolfe, RB/Northern Illinois
7. Justin Zwick, QB/Ohio St.

I don't like it much. I like Hughes, but hate Staley. He looked bad in the Senior Bowl. I love Bradley and Blades though, but I agree with other posters, if we are going to take a WR this year I feel we will go in rounds 1, 2, or 3. McKnight has stone hands too.

[Matthew Jones]

What do you guys think of this Patriots mock draft?

1. (f/SEA) Daymeion Hughes, CB/California
1. Joe Staley, OT/Central Michigan
2. Stewart Bradley, OLB/Nebraska
3. H.B. Blades, ILB/Pittsburgh
4. John Wendling, SS/Wyoming
5. *Pick traded to OAK for WR Doug Gabriel*
5. (comp.) Rhema McKnight, WR/Notre Dame
5. (comp.) Chris Davis, WR/Florida St.
6. John Talley, CB/Duke
7. (f/CLE) Chase Pittman, DE/L.S.U.
7. (f/ARI) Le'Ron McClain, FB/Alabama
7. (f/PIT) Garrett Wolfe, RB/Northern Illinois
7. Justin Zwick, QB/Ohio St.

I don't like it much. I like Hughes, but hate Staley. He looked bad in the Senior Bowl. I love Bradley and Blades though, but I agree with other posters, if we are going to take a WR this year I feel we will go in rounds 1, 2, or 3. McKnight has stone hands too.

McKnight's hands aren't that bad, and he's a great route runner. Staley could be our answer at left tackle. He's extremely mobile, and he didn't do that bad in the Senior Bowl. I think he might have actually boosted his stock. First round wide receivers have about a 50-50 shot at being a bust. Of the ones that should be available to us (Meachem, Rice), neither is that appealing. Meachem had one good season that might have been just because it was his "contract year", so to speak, and Rice had a down year, and is a Spurrier wide receiver. Spurrier's guys are notoriously bad picks at wide receiver.

[edgrenade]

What are the chances that Asante Samuel leaves this offseason, if he doesn't get re-signed or franchised?

[255979119]

What are the chances that Asante Samuel leaves this offseason, if he doesn't get re-signed or franchised?


Obviously he would not be on the team if he did not get re-signed or franchised....

[Jay]

Just did a mock and this is how our four rounds turned out:

24 New England Patriots Leon Hall CB Michigan 5-11 195
Four major need positions, best available of the four at this point is Hall.

28 New England Patriots Dwayne Bowe WR LSU 6-2 220
WR killed the Pats in the playoffs, and Bowe is a big body that could be a steal.

60 (28) New England Patriots Brandon Siler MLB Florida 6-1 235
The Pats have a connection to Florida guys.

92 (28) New England Patriots Prescott Burgess OLB Michigan 6-3 245
No Comments Made

124 (28) New England Patriots Jon Abbate MLB Wake Forest 5-11 245
No Comments Made

[diabsoule]

I heard that there is a good possibility that you guys are going to let Samuel go and franchise Daniel Graham.

[EHobbs27]

Jay I like that mock a lot. that would definately make my day if it happened.

Wouldn't be totally shocked if we took that route because Graham is so valuable to this offense, but I just feel we have to sign Asante.

[my future me]

Just did a mock and this is how our four rounds turned out:

24 New England Patriots Leon Hall CB Michigan 5-11 195
Four major need positions, best available of the four at this point is Hall.

28 New England Patriots Dwayne Bowe WR LSU 6-2 220
WR killed the Pats in the playoffs, and Bowe is a big body that could be a steal.

60 (28) New England Patriots Brandon Siler MLB Florida 6-1 235
The Pats have a connection to Florida guys.

92 (28) New England Patriots Prescott Burgess OLB Michigan 6-3 245
No Comments Made

124 (28) New England Patriots Jon Abbate MLB Wake Forest 5-11 245
No Comments Made

Great draft but extremely opptimistic

[Jay]

I didn't guide anyone there, I did a full four round draft and picked the best player available. I've been the biggest supporter of drafting a couple WR's and ended up with like three LB's :lol:

[rugger]

What do you guys think of this Patriots mock draft?

1. (f/SEA) Daymeion Hughes, CB/California
1. Joe Staley, OT/Central Michigan
2. Stewart Bradley, OLB/Nebraska
3. H.B. Blades, ILB/Pittsburgh
4. John Wendling, SS/Wyoming
5. *Pick traded to OAK for WR Doug Gabriel*
5. (comp.) Rhema McKnight, WR/Notre Dame
5. (comp.) Chris Davis, WR/Florida St.
6. John Talley, CB/Duke
7. (f/CLE) Chase Pittman, DE/L.S.U.
7. (f/ARI) Le'Ron McClain, FB/Alabama
7. (f/PIT) Garrett Wolfe, RB/Northern Illinois
7. Justin Zwick, QB/Ohio St.

I don't like it much. I like Hughes, but hate Staley. He looked bad in the Senior Bowl. I love Bradley and Blades though, but I agree with other posters, if we are going to take a WR this year I feel we will go in rounds 1, 2, or 3. McKnight has stone hands too.

McKnight's hands aren't that bad, and he's a great route runner. Staley could be our answer at left tackle. He's extremely mobile, and he didn't do that bad in the Senior Bowl. I think he might have actually boosted his stock. First round wide receivers have about a 50-50 shot at being a bust. Of the ones that should be available to us (Meachem, Rice), neither is that appealing. Meachem had one good season that might have been just because it was his "contract year", so to speak, and Rice had a down year, and is a Spurrier wide receiver. Spurrier's guys are notoriously bad picks at wide receiver.

The Patriot's have a question at left tackle? What's your problem with Matt Light? I think he does a good job. I will say that Light does have a problem sometimes containing speedy pass rushers like Jason Taylor, but a lot of tackles have problems containg those players. Oh yeah and he just got selected to the Pro Bowl as a replacement, so apparently the NFL thinks he is good as well. Why would the Pats take a left tackle in round 1, when we already have a good player who we have signed to a long term deal? I just don't think that left tackle is among the Pats Top 3 needs (Secondary, Linebackers, Wide Recievers). The Pats have been known to think outside the box when it comes to the draft, however I just don't think they would bring in another player with a high cap number at the left tackle position.

[Matthew Jones]

What do you guys think of this Patriots mock draft?

1. (f/SEA) Daymeion Hughes, CB/California
1. Joe Staley, OT/Central Michigan
2. Stewart Bradley, OLB/Nebraska
3. H.B. Blades, ILB/Pittsburgh
4. John Wendling, SS/Wyoming
5. *Pick traded to OAK for WR Doug Gabriel*
5. (comp.) Rhema McKnight, WR/Notre Dame
5. (comp.) Chris Davis, WR/Florida St.
6. John Talley, CB/Duke
7. (f/CLE) Chase Pittman, DE/L.S.U.
7. (f/ARI) Le'Ron McClain, FB/Alabama
7. (f/PIT) Garrett Wolfe, RB/Northern Illinois
7. Justin Zwick, QB/Ohio St.

I don't like it much. I like Hughes, but hate Staley. He looked bad in the Senior Bowl. I love Bradley and Blades though, but I agree with other posters, if we are going to take a WR this year I feel we will go in rounds 1, 2, or 3. McKnight has stone hands too.

McKnight's hands aren't that bad, and he's a great route runner. Staley could be our answer at left tackle. He's extremely mobile, and he didn't do that bad in the Senior Bowl. I think he might have actually boosted his stock. First round wide receivers have about a 50-50 shot at being a bust. Of the ones that should be available to us (Meachem, Rice), neither is that appealing. Meachem had one good season that might have been just because it was his "contract year", so to speak, and Rice had a down year, and is a Spurrier wide receiver. Spurrier's guys are notoriously bad picks at wide receiver.

The Patriot's have a question at left tackle? What's your problem with Matt Light? I think he does a good job. I will say that Light does have a problem sometimes containing speedy pass rushers like Jason Taylor, but a lot of tackles have problems containg those players. Oh yeah and he just got selected to the Pro Bowl as a replacement, so apparently the NFL thinks he is good as well. Why would the Pats take a left tackle in round 1, when we already have a good player who we have signed to a long term deal? I just don't think that left tackle is among the Pats Top 3 needs (Secondary, Linebackers, Wide Recievers). The Pats have been known to think outside the box when it comes to the draft, however I just don't think they would bring in another player with a high cap number at the left tackle position.

New England could move Light to the right side, where he wouldn't have to deal with speed rushers.

[Jay]

The ironic part in all this is that Matt Light got named to the Pro Bowl today...

[Jay]

The Pats just picked up a sixth round pick to complete the Brandon Gorin deal with Arizona today...

[Don Vito]

The Pats just picked up a sixth round pick to complete the Brandon Gorin deal with Arizona today...

We are going to have a lot of picks in this draft. A lot of talent is going to fall, too, so we should come out with a good class.

[RollingThunder]

The Pats just picked up a sixth round pick to complete the Brandon Gorin deal with Arizona today...

Did he even start in 'Zona?

[Jay]

Didn't even play a snap...

[255979119]

Didn't even play a snap...


He was no better than a backup in our system...one that makes average talent look good....


Well maybe we're going to use these extra picks to youth up this year, I am getting fairly excited for "D-day"

[Jay]

The way I see it, this pretty much evens out the Doug Gabriel mess, because Arizona's sixth isn't that far from where our fifth would be. So we moved down a couple slots to sit a guy on the bench for a few weeks until we cut him. Well, essentially...

[255979119]

I liked Doug, he had a fair amount of upside and Brady seemed to have good chemistry with him.


Too bad he is just a lazy ass and would rather argue with Bellichek than learn the offense.

[briz5x]

Who do you want the pats to sign in free agency? I hope they can bring in these guys:

-Asante Samuel (franchise tag)

-Daniel Graham - resign for around 3-4 mill.

-Wes Welker - restricted free agent WR from miami, he could replace Troy Brown plus hes a pretty good return guy.

-Lance Briggs - if hes not franchised i would go after him hard. I know he said he doesnt want to play in the 3-4 but i think he would be good in the 3-4.

[255979119]

Who do you want the pats to sign in free agency? I hope they can bring in these guys:

-Asante Samuel (franchise tag)

-Daniel Graham - resign for around 3-4 mill.

-Wes Welker - restricted free agent WR from miami, he could replace Troy Brown plus hes a pretty good return guy.

-Lance Briggs - if hes not franchised i would go after him hard. I know he said he doesnt want to play in the 3-4 but i think he would be good in the 3-4.


We are not going to get Briggs, Chiacgo will Tag him.

I want Willis with our second first rounder.

P.S. I am in love with Welker so yes i say PERSUE HIM!!!!

[briz5x]

Who do you want the pats to sign in free agency? I hope they can bring in these guys:

-Asante Samuel (franchise tag)

-Daniel Graham - resign for around 3-4 mill.

-Wes Welker - restricted free agent WR from miami, he could replace Troy Brown plus hes a pretty good return guy.

-Lance Briggs - if hes not franchised i would go after him hard. I know he said he doesnt want to play in the 3-4 but i think he would be good in the 3-4.


We are not going to get Briggs, Chiacgo will Tag him.

I want Willis with our second first rounder.

P.S. I am in love with Welker so yes i say PERSUE HIM!!!!

yea the Bears will probably tag him that sucks. Id take Willis or Posluzsny with our first pick if either are there!

Round 1 #24: Willis or Posluzsny ILB
Round 1 #28: Brandon Meriweather FS or Robert Meachem WR

Meriweather is a stud i love him almost as much as you love Welker.

[EHobbs27]

I still don't know why people think Willis and Poz can fit in a 3-4 defense. Both guys are going to be beasts in a 4-3 defense, but in a 3-4 defense they will get eaten alive by bigger OL.

I say we franchise Samuel and sign Adalius Thomas. That is my guess for FA.

[255979119]

I still don't know why people think Willis and Poz can fit in a 3-4 defense. Both guys are going to be beasts in a 4-3 defense, but in a 3-4 defense they will get eaten alive by bigger OL.

I say we franchise Samuel and sign Adalius Thomas. That is my guess for FA.


Willis is 6"2 240, you call that small?

[EHobbs27]

240 isn't small, but all of the Pats LB's are over 245. I watched Patrick Willis a lot in the Senior Bowl and while he was all over the field getting tackles and what not, the one thing I noticed most about Willis was how easily he was getting beat by the bigger OL. As soon as the OL got a block on Willis, not once was Willis able to get off the block. On the Tony Hunt TD run, I beleive it was Beekman who came around and knocked Willis right on his butt. If Willis could have fought off the block he may have stopped a TD. We need a bigger LB like a Stewart Bradley, David Harris, or a Prescott Burgess who can take on those blocks.

And it doesn't really matter anyway because I highly doubt P-Willie falls anyway. There are to many teams in need of a LB that could take Willis in fornt of us.

[RollingThunder]

240 isn't small, but all of the Pats LB's are over 245. I watched Patrick Willis a lot in the Senior Bowl and while he was all over the field getting tackles and what not, the one thing I noticed most about Willis was how easily he was getting beat by the bigger OL. As soon as the OL got a block on Willis, not once was Willis able to get off the block. On the Tony Hunt TD run, I beleive it was Beekman who came around and knocked Willis right on his butt. If Willis could have fought off the block he may have stopped a TD. We need a bigger LB like a Stewart Bradley, David Harris, or a Prescott Burgess who can take on those blocks.

And it doesn't really matter anyway because I highly doubt P-Willie falls anyway. There are to many teams in need of a LB that could take Willis in fornt of us.

And the Bills are known for reaching as well.

These are guys I feel are worthy and somewhat likely to be picked if we had the opportunity to do so.

WR-CJ (not gonna happen tho :( ), Bowe, DJ, or Ginn. I'm not a big fan of Meachem or Rice
S- Any of the top 3
LB- Adams (wont happen), Moss, Moses, or maybe, just maybe Jay Moore if he has a terrific combine, and whatever happened to Abiamiri?
CB- Revis, Hall, and maybe Houston

[briz5x]

240 isn't small, but all of the Pats LB's are over 245. I watched Patrick Willis a lot in the Senior Bowl and while he was all over the field getting tackles and what not, the one thing I noticed most about Willis was how easily he was getting beat by the bigger OL. As soon as the OL got a block on Willis, not once was Willis able to get off the block. On the Tony Hunt TD run, I beleive it was Beekman who came around and knocked Willis right on his butt. If Willis could have fought off the block he may have stopped a TD. We need a bigger LB like a Stewart Bradley, David Harris, or a Prescott Burgess who can take on those blocks.

And it doesn't really matter anyway because I highly doubt P-Willie falls anyway. There are to many teams in need of a LB that could take Willis in fornt of us.

Vrabel isnt that good at shedding blocks, hes a big 250-260 but hes not particularly strong (and hes not that fast either) yet he did ok inside the 3-4, hes got good instincts. I dont see a problem with Willis or Pos playing inside in the 3-4, they are both pretty big guys over 6 feet and around 240 pounds, you dont need to have prototype size if you have instincts for your position. Yea they could probably use another 5-10 pounds each, maybe that will come in the future i mean these kids are young and in college they still havent fully grown yet. We need some young fresh legs inside, hopefully Willis or Pos is there at 24.

[Jay]

I'm sorry are we really making a big deal about the difference between 240 and 245?!? :lol:

[EHobbs27]

Yeah that was my bad, but we all saw how Monty Beisel did in this defense and he is 240 pounds.

[briz5x]

Yeah that was my bad, but we all saw how Monty Beisel did in this defense and he is 240 pounds.

monty wasnt a ILB though he didnt have any instincts. He was pretty physical enough against blockers he just wasnt an athletic tacklin machine.

[EHobbs27]

The fact is we need a LB. I prefer getting an athletic pass rusher like a Jarvis Moss or an Anthony Spencer in round 1 and then landing someone like a Prescott Burgess, HB Blades, or Stewart Bradley in round 3 or 4.

[Don Vito]

I really likie Burgess, I think he could be a good player here. If we got him in the 4th round I would be very happy.

[briz5x]

The fact is we need a LB. I prefer getting an athletic pass rusher like a Jarvis Moss or an Anthony Spencer in round 1 and then landing someone like a Prescott Burgess, HB Blades, or Stewart Bradley in round 3 or 4.

No we need an ILB, Vrabel is better outside and we already got Colvin, these two guys are gunna be here a few more years. Draft Willis or Pos and move Vrabel back outside, we'll get an OLB in a few years when Vrabel is about to retire.

[alca1992]

how you guys like this draft

1a. Marcus McCauley
1b. Dwayne Bowe
2. H. B. Blades
3. Sabby Picisetti
4. James Martin
6. Jared Zabransky
7. Ken Shackleford

[briz5x]

how you guys like this draft

1a. Marcus McCauley
1b. Dwayne Bowe
2. H. B. Blades
3. Sabby Picisetti
4. James Martin
6. Jared Zabransky
7. Ken Shackleford

I like McCauley hes a little bit raw right now but i think in time hes going to be really good. If Asante leaves then i could see the pats drafting a cb with one of the two firsts. Bowe i think is overated, plus we got Jackson getting on the field next season probably.

1a. Willis or Pos ILB
1b. Meriweather FS or Meachem WR or McCauley CB

[Don Vito]

how you guys like this draft

1a. Marcus McCauley
1b. Dwayne Bowe
2. H. B. Blades
3. Sabby Picisetti
4. James Martin
6. Jared Zabransky
7. Ken Shackleford

I like McCauley hes a little bit raw right now but i think in time hes going to be really good. If Asante leaves then i could see the pats drafting a cb with one of the two firsts. Bowe i think is overated, plus we got Jackson getting on the field next season probably.

1a. Willis or Pos ILB
1b. Meriweather FS or Meachem WR or McCauley CB

As much as I would LOVE us to take Meriweather with our 2nd 1st rounder or 2nd rounder, it probably is not going to happen. However, we will have a huge shot at landing Nelson, Landry, or Griffin (most likely Griffin but still a chance with others). As for CB, McCauley is a great athlete and comes from a NE draft hotbed at Fresno St., but he is a better athlete than football player. At least that was the case in college, maybe he can develop into a solid pro. The best scenario is we hold on to Asante, Hobbs continues to improve, and we could add a solid day 1 corner through the draft. If we take a CB round 1, Darrell Revis and Chris Houston could be better options. Aaron Ross is a sound prospect as he has very good measurables (6-1, 195, 4,.5), had a great senior season (his first as a full time CB, prior he did mainly KR and PR), and has no character concerns. Round 2-3 should have some NE corner possibilities like Eric Wright, Jonathan Wade, Daymeion Hughes, Tanard Jackson, and Josh Wilson. There will be a lot of day 2 options as well.

For LB's. Willis or Puz are great collegiate players, but I don't think they fit our defense. Not because of the size, but of their style of play. I like Willis to NE a lot more than Puz though if we are gonna take one of the two. David Harris or HB Blades in round 2 are better bets, as is Stewart Bradley in rounds 3-4.

As for WR, I never thought it was a round 1 need until the AFC championship game. Caldwell is a good player but not a #1 target. If we can snag Meachem, Bowe, Rice, or even Jarret, we could develop the player into a #1 over a few years. Remember, Caldwell and Gaffney are still young and I would like to see us hold on to them for a couple years as #2 and #3 targets.

[briz5x]

how you guys like this draft

1a. Marcus McCauley
1b. Dwayne Bowe
2. H. B. Blades
3. Sabby Picisetti
4. James Martin
6. Jared Zabransky
7. Ken Shackleford

I like McCauley hes a little bit raw right now but i think in time hes going to be really good. If Asante leaves then i could see the pats drafting a cb with one of the two firsts. Bowe i think is overated, plus we got Jackson getting on the field next season probably.

1a. Willis or Pos ILB
1b. Meriweather FS or Meachem WR or McCauley CB

As much as I would LOVE us to take Meriweather with our 2nd 1st rounder or 2nd rounder, it probably is not going to happen. However, we will have a huge shot at landing Nelson, Landry, or Griffin (most likely Griffin but still a chance with others). As for CB, McCauley is a great athlete and comes from a NE draft hotbed at Fresno St., but he is a better athlete than football player. At least that was the case in college, maybe he can develop into a solid pro. The best scenario is we hold on to Asante, Hobbs continues to improve, and we could add a solid day 1 corner through the draft. If we take a CB round 1, Darrell Revis and Chris Houston could be better options. Aaron Ross is a sound prospect as he has very good measurables (6-1, 195, 4,.5), had a great senior season (his first as a full time CB, prior he did mainly KR and PR), and has no character concerns. Round 2-3 should have some NE corner possibilities like Eric Wright, Jonathan Wade, Daymeion Hughes, Tanard Jackson, and Josh Wilson. There will be a lot of day 2 options as well.

For LB's. Willis or Puz are great collegiate players, but I don't think they fit our defense. Not because of the size, but of their style of play. I like Willis to NE a lot more than Puz though if we are gonna take one of the two. David Harris or HB Blades in round 2 are better bets, as is Stewart Bradley in rounds 3-4.

As for WR, I never thought it was a round 1 need until the AFC championship game. Caldwell is a good player but not a #1 target. If we can snag Meachem, Bowe, Rice, or even Jarret, we could develop the player into a #1 over a few years. Remember, Caldwell and Gaffney are still young and I would like to see us hold on to them for a couple years as #2 and #3 targets.

The only thing holdin Meriweather back is his character, hes diffinitly 1st round talent. Im sure BB and Pioli know it but would they ignore his character concerns i dunno. Im sure they will look into it, it could go either way imo, i think Meriweather will impress at the combine and his stock will deffinitly rise. I got the safties ranked 1) Landry 2) Nelson 3) Meriweather, i dont have Griffin up there because he is extremely soft. If Landry or Nelson were at our pick #24 i would take them in a heartbeat no doubt, even over a LB cuz i think they will have a great impact. I just dont see Landry or Nelson being there though, Meriweather will almost certainly. Id take him at #28 he can play FS and corner, BB must like his versitality. Meriweather is too good to pass up at #28 imo. But if his character concerns are real bad then theres no doubt the pats will be turned off, we'll see.

I agree on McCauley hes going to need some work. I think the pats coaches could turn him into a great press man-to-man corner in a few years. But taking a project at #24 is a bit of a reach, if Asante goes then it could be a different story, i hope asante stays.

I dont see much wrong with Pos or Willis really aside from them needing about 5-10 more pounds. Either of these guys would be the best linebacker we have if we drafted one of them. Pos is that quiet kinda guy like Urlacher who is smart and very instinctive, he will adapt his game to the pros make no mistake about it. He just makes plays and gets it done, thats what good players do. He may not have top measurables or 4.4 speed but hes a damn good football player. I think he may even turn out better than Willis, but Willis is better right now.

Im torn between Safety and WR with the 28 pick, but safety gets the nod for me cuz we are gunna get Jackson in there next season and Caldwell and Gaffney while not great will be back. We need a presence at safety to compete with teams like the Colts passing attack, its rediculous how they threw all over us in the AFCC game. Hawkins and Sanders aint cutting it.

[EHobbs27]

Actually only Hawkins isn't cutting it. James Sanders played really well this past year and I have a feeling that he will be our starting SS in the next years to come. We get back Eugene Wilson next year so unless Geno has something really wrong with him or a guy like Nelson falls, I don't see us going the saftey route in round one.

I HATE McCauley. He is the most overrated prospect in the first round this year. How can this kid still be considered in round one after the senior year he had?? Chris Houston and Aaron Ross are MUCH better picks in fact I have Houston going to the Pats in round one.

I agree about WR. With the class so good, I would love to have us take one in round one. Dwayne Bowe is my favorite prospect to get in round one, but if we can't get him then I say we go LB in round one with a DB and go WR in round 2.

[Jango]

Randall ***, resign him or not?

[briz5x]

Actually only Hawkins isn't cutting it. James Sanders played really well this past year and I have a feeling that he will be our starting SS in the next years to come. We get back Eugene Wilson next year so unless Geno has something really wrong with him or a guy like Nelson falls, I don't see us going the saftey route in round one.

I HATE McCauley. He is the most overrated prospect in the first round this year. How can this kid still be considered in round one after the senior year he had?? Chris Houston and Aaron Ross are MUCH better picks in fact I have Houston going to the Pats in round one.

I agree about WR. With the class so good, I would love to have us take one in round one. Dwayne Bowe is my favorite prospect to get in round one, but if we can't get him then I say we go LB in round one with a DB and go WR in round 2.

Geno does have something wrong with him, he sucks at FS. Move him to CB he should never play another down at FS. I agree with you on Sanders he played much better than Hawkins and probably could take over for Rodney in the short-term. He will probably get better in the comming years too hes just getting his feet wet now.

Id only want a CB in round 1 if Asante leaves. If Asante stays i think we should trade up in round 2 like we did last year to get Jackson and nab a CB there. There could be some good CBs still on the board in the beginning of round two like McCauley if he falls, Hughes ect. One of them would be good for depth.

1a. Willis or Pos ILB
1b. Meriweather FS or Meachem WR
2 (traded up). McCauley CB, Hughes CB, Woodley OLB, Abirami OLB

[255979119]

What about signing Donnie Edwards after he gets cut, well if he gets cut that is...


then we can focus our current needs on FS(or CB) and hopefully WR

[briz5x]

What about signing Donnie Edwards after he gets cut, well if he gets cut that is...


then we can focus our current needs on FS(or CB) and hopefully WR

yea Donnie would be a good signing, we wouldnt have to target a linebacker early in the draft if we sign him. How much is Donnie gunna cost on the free agent market? You know the pats wont throw big bucks at him because of his age, and i think Donnie was upset at his contract wasnt he?

[Don Vito]

Donnie Edwards would be great here. However, if we got Arrington, he could be great here. I am aware that almost everyone on this site thinks he is on his downside, but that is mainly because he hasn't been playing in the right system his entire career. The one year he was allowed to roam, he was an MVP cantidate.

If he played in the 3-4 system for us, he would make an amazing OLB. It probably will not happen however. I would want Adailus Thomas more anyway if we were going to take a 3-4 OLB because he is a better bet. Arringtons potential as a 3-4 OLB is unreal though. That is where he should have been playing his entire career, his talent was pretty much wasted.

[Handel]

Mark my words. Pats will not select an ILB in first round, even if we need one badly. Not before the 2nd round.

[alca1992]

Donnie Edwards would be great here. However, if we got Arrington, he could be great here. I am aware that almost everyone on this site thinks he is on his downside, but that is mainly because he hasn't been playing in the right system his entire career. The one year he was allowed to roam, he was an MVP cantidate.

If he played in the 3-4 system for us, he would make an amazing OLB. It probably will not happen however. I would want Adailus Thomas more anyway if we were going to take a 3-4 OLB because he is a better bet. Arringtons potential as a 3-4 OLB is unreal though. That is where he should have been playing his entire career, his talent was pretty much wasted.

i want arringtion bad i really hope he will come here. plus isnt donnie edwards retierd?

[255979119]

Donnie Edwards would be great here. However, if we got Arrington, he could be great here. I am aware that almost everyone on this site thinks he is on his downside, but that is mainly because he hasn't been playing in the right system his entire career. The one year he was allowed to roam, he was an MVP cantidate.

If he played in the 3-4 system for us, he would make an amazing OLB. It probably will not happen however. I would want Adailus Thomas more anyway if we were going to take a 3-4 OLB because he is a better bet. Arringtons potential as a 3-4 OLB is unreal though. That is where he should have been playing his entire career, his talent was pretty much wasted.

i want arringtion bad i really hope he will come here. plus isnt donnie edwards retierd?


Thomas is the LB Arrington was supposed to be.


Edwards is the best pass coverage LB in the NFL.

[andy82]

If the Pats got either Arrington, Thomas, or Edwards, they would HAVE to take a receiver in the first round along with a corner back, and then they could add some depth and youth to the linebacking core in the later rounds, allowing the linebackers to develop without pressure and expectations. Maybe HB Blades in the 3rd or 4th, he may not be the most impressive physically, but he is smart and, to me, seems like a Belichick player.

[Kevman1325]

uuuh dont we play a control, keep the offense in front of you type defense? and arrington is at his best freelancing all over right? explain to me how that works please?

i think edwards or thomas would fit amazingly, however.

im also a big fan of poz or willis at lb or weddle as a safety/corner..i think hes got the talent to succeed at both in the pros and we all know the pats (belichick) love versatility

[255979119]

uuuh dont we play a control, keep the offense in front of you type defense? and arrington is at his best freelancing all over right? explain to me how that works please?

i think edwards or thomas would fit amazingly, however.

im also a big fan of poz or willis at lb or weddle as a safety/corner..i think hes got the talent to succeed at both in the pros and we all know the pats (belichick) love versatility


Exactly, Bill loves versatility which is why he would LOVE Thomas, too bad we would lose some of Vrabel's effectiveness if he is shifted inside.

[asmitty45]

would you guys be willing to trade one of your first rounders for Dre Bly? The lions are looking to move him and are looking for early draft picks in return.

Thoughts?

[briz5x]

would you guys be willing to trade one of your first rounders for Dre Bly? The lions are looking to move him and are looking for early draft picks in return.

Thoughts?

Pats trade pick #24 and Asante Samuel
Lions trade pick #2 and Dre Bly

[Kevman1325]

a first rounder for dre bly? i hope not...we might as well resign asante, we have the cap room

[asmitty45]

would you guys be willing to trade one of your first rounders for Dre Bly? The lions are looking to move him and are looking for early draft picks in return.

Thoughts?

Pats trade pick #24 and Asante Samuel
Lions trade pick #2 and Dre Bly

hahaha very funny, that would be the worst trade ever made.

I was just curious to see if it was a possibility but i guess youre not to fond of it.

[briz5x]

would you guys be willing to trade one of your first rounders for Dre Bly? The lions are looking to move him and are looking for early draft picks in return.

Thoughts?

Pats trade pick #24 and Asante Samuel
Lions trade pick #2 and Dre Bly

hahaha very funny, that would be the worst trade ever made.

I was just curious to see if it was a possibility but i guess youre not to fond of it.

well i doubt BB will trade a 1st round pick for a 30-year old CB. BB covets draft picks especially high ones, hes not going to get rid of them easily.

[Jay]

would you guys be willing to trade one of your first rounders for Dre Bly? The lions are looking to move him and are looking for early draft picks in return.

Thoughts?

Pats trade pick #24 and Asante Samuel
Lions trade pick #2 and Dre Bly

hahaha very funny, that would be the worst trade ever made.

I was just curious to see if it was a possibility but i guess youre not to fond of it.

No, suggesting a first rounder for Dre Bly would be the worst trade ever made. The difference between Asante Samuel and Dre Bly is worth dropping 22 places in the draft...

[alca1992]

would you guys be willing to trade one of your first rounders for Dre Bly? The lions are looking to move him and are looking for early draft picks in return.

Thoughts?

Pats trade pick #24 and Asante Samuel
Lions trade pick #2 and Dre Bly

hahaha very funny, that would be the worst trade ever made.

I was just curious to see if it was a possibility but i guess youre not to fond of it.

No, suggesting a first rounder for Dre Bly would be the worst trade ever made. The difference between Asante Samuel and Dre Bly is worth dropping 22 places in the draft...

QFT

[255979119]

I am not trying to start an argument, but why bother responding to just say "QFT".

[Handel]

I am not trying to start an argument, but why bother responding to just say "QFT".

QFT.






:lol: :wink:

[alca1992]

I am not trying to start an argument, but why bother responding to just say "QFT".

its to say i agree with evrey evreything you said. ifi had wrote something it would almost be the same thing. so instead of writing something someone else just said. i say QFT.

[255979119]

I am not trying to start an argument, but why bother responding to just say "QFT".

its to say i agree with evrey evreything you said. ifi had wrote something it would almost be the same thing. so instead of writing something someone else just said. i say QFT.


Just don't bother responding at all....

[Jay]

Asante got tagged, as if there was any doubt...

[Don Vito]

Asante got tagged, as if there was any doubt...

This makes me very happy. Now we better get a WR round 1.

[alca1992]

I am not trying to start an argument, but why bother responding to just say "QFT".

its to say i agree with evrey evreything you said. ifi had wrote something it would almost be the same thing. so instead of writing something someone else just said. i say QFT.


Just don't bother responding at all....

QFT

[Matthew Jones]

I think we will still end up drafting a cornerback in the first three rounds. It's no given that we will have Samuel after this season, and so we need someone to develop. We don't have any really durable or reliable backups, either.

[EHobbs27]

Yeah I agree. I don't think we will draft a first round guy unless a Revis or Hall falls. I will definately settle though for a guy like David Irons in round 3.

[Jay]

I think LB and WR are the two biggest concerns right now. I could easily see the Pats taking two LB's in round one. It would be prudent to try and capitalize on this talented WR draft, though...

[Matthew Jones]

I think LB and WR are the two biggest concerns right now. I could easily see the Pats taking two LB's in round one. It would be prudent to try and capitalize on this talented WR draft, though...

We haven't drafted a linebacker on the first day under Belichick, not even in the first four rounds, so obviously he sees the position as one for veterans and not young guys. I'd say WR and maybe a S in the first round at this point.

[alca1992]

I think LB and WR are the two biggest concerns right now. I could easily see the Pats taking two LB's in round one. It would be prudent to try and capitalize on this talented WR draft, though...

We haven't drafted a linebacker on the first day under Belichick, not even in the first four rounds, so obviously he sees the position as one for veterans and not young guys. I'd say WR and maybe a S in the first round at this point.

if Micheal Griffin was at #24 would you want to take him

[briz5x]

What do you guys think of Adam Carriker? This guy looks like he is going to be very good in the pros, and hes versitile to play in both the 4-3 and 3-4. Ty Warren's contract is comming up soon, if Carriker is on the board at #24 i bet BB and Pioli will have a very hard time not drafting him. Course Carriker might go much higher than our pick but not many pats fans are talkin about him.

[Matthew Jones]

What do you guys think of Adam Carriker? This guy looks like he is going to be very good in the pros, and hes versitile to play in both the 4-3 and 3-4. Ty Warren's contract is comming up soon, if Carriker is on the board at #24 i bet BB and Pioli will have a very hard time not drafting him. Course Carriker might go much higher than our pick but not many pats fans are talkin about him.

I love him, and I think it would be ridiculous if he was left at #24, but I would feel for him, becoming the next Marquise Hill/Jarvis Green here.

[255979119]

They will not let Warren go anyways, Bill has showed us time and time again if your vital to our success and almost irreplaceable your staying put.

[Jay]

I think LB and WR are the two biggest concerns right now. I could easily see the Pats taking two LB's in round one. It would be prudent to try and capitalize on this talented WR draft, though...

We haven't drafted a linebacker on the first day under Belichick, not even in the first four rounds, so obviously he sees the position as one for veterans and not young guys. I'd say WR and maybe a S in the first round at this point.

It doesn't tell us anything other than they decided to draft other guys. They drafted TE's in the first round two years out of three years. I mean come on, when Ben Watson got drafted, did everyone sit around thinking the Pats were going to draft a TE in the first when they had Daniel Graham? They drafted Vince Wilfork the year after drafting Ty Warren in the first and drafted Warren just two years removed from drafting Richard Seymour.

And, look at the first day picks the Pats have made:

2006:

1 21 Maroney, Laurence RB 6-0 216 Minnesota
2 36 Jackson, Chad WR 6-1 212 Florida
3 86 Thomas, Dave TE 6-3 239 Texas

2005:

1 32 Logan Mankins G Fresno State
3 84 Ellis Hobbs CB Iowa State
3 100 Nick Kaczur T Toledo

2004:

1 21 Vince Wilfork DT Miami
1 32 Ben Watson TE Georgia
2 63 Marquise Hill DE Louisiana State
3 95 Guss Scott FS Florida

2003:

1 13 Ty Warren DE Texas A&M
2 36 Eugene Wilson FS Illinois
2 45 Bethel Johnson WR Texas A&M

2002:

1 21 Daniel Graham TE Colorado
2 65 Deion Branch WR Louisville

2001:

1 6 Richard Seymour DE Georgia
2 48 Matt Light T Purdue
3 86 Brock Williams CB Notre Dame

They haven't exactly missed much on their first day picks, have they? So what if they've only drafted FOUR LB's in the last six years, that's exactly why I think they will do it now. At least one, anyway. I think that list also proves that they are a lock to take a WR and a DB, because that's just what they do...

[Don Vito]

Yea they really have to take at least 1 day 1 LB this year. Saying "they only draft DE's" or "don't take LB's" really don't matter. The Pats must draft DB's and LB's day 1 this year.

[Santos-Stanton47]

not takin away from the good research

but then, we had adequate productive LBs who were still primed or had jus primed


its DEF time to bring in Willis, Harris, woodley

personally if woodley lost 10 pounds, he would be a poor mans merriman


he would be a GREAT 2nd pck


i think we go


WR LB LB S T

[Santos-Stanton47]

not takin away from the good research

but then, we had adequate productive LBs who were still primed or had jus primed


its DEF time to bring in Willis, Harris, woodley, Quentin Moses, is a stronger colvin, actually a smaller merriman, i think moses, woodley, specner, and harris are the best FITS, but willis is just a good lb anywere, i cant wait

personally if woodley lost 10 pounds, he would be a poor mans merriman


he would be a GREAT 2nd pck


i think we go


WR LB LB S T

[Santos-Stanton47]

i composed a list of likable players who fit well in our system, belichick ties, system players, good size and potential whatever, i feel these guys fit


Dwayne Bowe- great size, LSU product, WOULD THRIVE
Robert Meachem- idk why every one loves him, does he have good speed
Quentin Moses-size, speed, production, makes him a good 3-4 OLB
Jarvis Moss-just about the same. not as much tho, Meyer Kid....nuff said
Anthony Spencer-best 3-4 olb prospect! would love to have him
Lamarr Woodley-poor mans Merriman, slower, but stronger and a beast
David Harris- 3-4 DREAM ILB
HB Blades-good prospect, good fit??
Patrick Willis- do i need to explain, he's just a stud
Michael Griffin- Michael Huff without the great versatility, is why he's possible here
Paul Williams- tall WR from Fresno, a possible 3/4/5
Jason Hill- 1st round prospect early, but now maybe a 2/3rd, good WR tho


help me out where i went wrong or if u have more kids, or possibly know more on the guy and want to expand

[Matthew Jones]

i composed a list of likable players who fit well in our system, belichick ties, system players, good size and potential whatever, i feel these guys fit


Dwayne Bowe- great size, LSU product, WOULD THRIVE

Nothing against Bowe. He'd be a decent enough first rounder.

Robert Meachem- idk why every one loves him, does he have good speed

I don't really like him that much. Not physical enough.

Quentin Moses-size, speed, production, makes him a good 3-4 OLB

Production wasn't that great this year. He could be a decent OLB.

Jarvis Moss-just about the same. not as much tho, Meyer Kid....nuff said

Got a bit of character stuff but he'd be pretty good.

Anthony Spencer-best 3-4 olb prospect! would love to have him

I don't know if I'd want him in the first but possibly moving back from #28 or up from our second rounder?

Lamarr Woodley-poor mans Merriman, slower, but stronger and a beast

Dunno if he could be a 3-4 OLB. Too short/slow.

David Harris- 3-4 DREAM ILB

A bit short, but I would like him in the third or so, or after moving back from our second rounder. Not before then, because he's got some coverage issues.

HB Blades-good prospect, good fit??

Good prospect, productive college guy, would be a nice pickup in the third/fourth. Someone Belichick would probably like.

Patrick Willis- do i need to explain, he's just a stud

Stud.

Michael Griffin- Michael Huff without the great versatility, is why he's possible here

He's also great on special teams and can play FS and SS. Valuable, pretty good first round pick.

Paul Williams- tall WR from Fresno, a possible 3/4/5

Round four or so is good.

Jason Hill- 1st round prospect early, but now maybe a 2/3rd, good WR tho

Like him, but he might not really be dynamic enough for us. He might be the Mike Hass of 2007. Fourth/fifth rounder.

help me out where i went wrong or if u have more kids, or possibly know more on the guy and want to expand

[EHobbs27]

I would put all of my money in that both HB Blades and Jason Hill won't fall that far.

[Matthew Jones]

I would put all of my money in that both HB Blades and Jason Hill won't fall that far.

Eh, we would have said the same thing about Kai Parham being undrafted last year. The fact of the matter is that people drop farther than we think sometimes, and it's usually wide receivers and linebackers who aren't athletic.

[EHobbs27]

Well I don't think Jason Hill did anything bad at the Senior Bowl to move him down to round 4 or 5. I thin he is a 2nd rounder.

Well I think we can all agree that WR may be a definate first round pick. Scott Wright was the first to actually start the rumor about Jackson and him being injured and today it is true. Chad Jackson is out with a torn ACL.

http://www.boston.com/sports/football/patriots/articles/2007/02/22/jackson_out_with_torn_acl/

[Jay]

So maybe we take BOTH Bowe and Meachem? Definitely two day one WR's, unless we can sign Dante Stallworth, which would be fine with me...

[briz5x]

Should we trade a 2nd rounder for Randy Moss?

Word out of oakland is Porter is staying and is excited to get a new start with new head coach Kiffin, but Moss is still looking to get out. They are looking for a 2nd round pick for Moss.

Please tell me what WR we could draft that would have more of an immediate impact than Moss? Moss could very well put us right back into the superbowl next year.

Check this out:

1a. #24: Patrick Willis ILB

- Posluszny or Timmons would be good fallbacks, or we could use a 3rd rounder to move up some. We move Vrabel back to OLB with a new ILB comming in.

1b. #28: Brandon Meriweather FS

- Meriweather can do it all in the secondary and he can support the run. Team him up with Rodney next season would be leathal.

2. #60: Randy Moss WR

- best WR availible.


Starting O

QB Brady
RB Maroney
WR Moss
WR Caldwell/Gafney/Jackson
TE Watson

Starting D

OLB Colvin
DE Warren
NT Wilfork
DE Seymour
OLB Vrabel
ILB Bruschi
ILB Willis
CB Samuel
CB Hobbs
FS Meriweather
SS Harrison

That is godlike!

[SillyRyno]

Chad Jackson Tore His ACL.

Well, His Career Is Pretty Much Over. :lol:

[SillyRyno]

http://www.boston.com/sports/football/patriots/

Link 4 Those Who Don't Believe

[briz5x]

http://www.boston.com/sports/football/patriots/

Link 4 Those Who Don't Believe

he'll be ready to go when the season starts, at worst he will be pupped and we will get him back in week 6.

[Jay]

http://www.boston.com/sports/football/patriots/

Link 4 Those Who Don't Believe

Yeah, why would we believe that? Not like it wasn't already a topic of discussion you moron.

[Jay]

So Corey Dillon will be retiring. Sucks to see him go. Knowing my profound hatred for Kevin Faulk, time to think about who we replace Corey with.

The only good part about it is that it frees up some cash in the cap...

[rugger]

Should we trade a 2nd rounder for Randy Moss?

Word out of oakland is Porter is staying and is excited to get a new start with new head coach Kiffin, but Moss is still looking to get out. They are looking for a 2nd round pick for Moss.

Please tell me what WR we could draft that would have more of an immediate impact than Moss? Moss could very well put us right back into the superbowl next year.

Check this out:

1a. #24: Patrick Willis ILB

- Posluszny or Timmons would be good fallbacks, or we could use a 3rd rounder to move up some. We move Vrabel back to OLB with a new ILB comming in.

1b. #28: Brandon Meriweather FS

- Meriweather can do it all in the secondary and he can support the run. Team him up with Rodney next season would be leathal.

2. #60: Randy Moss WR

- best WR availible.


Starting O

QB Brady
RB Maroney
WR Moss
WR Caldwell/Gafney/Jackson
TE Watson

Starting D

OLB Colvin
DE Warren
NT Wilfork
DE Seymour
OLB Vrabel
ILB Bruschi
ILB Willis
CB Samuel
CB Hobbs
FS Meriweather
SS Harrison

That is godlike!

You should know that the Pats wouldn't touch a player like Merriweather with a ten foot pole. He's not a Patriot type of player. Neither is Randy Moss for that matter, who is probably one the least passionate players in the league (and if you follow the Pats you know Belichick wants guys who love to play football, which is not Moss).

With the retirement of Dillon I see the Pats picking somebody up in the 2nd or 3rd round, possibly Tony Hunt. I think he would a great fit to be a inside runner to replace Dillon's production and spell Maroney. Michael Bush is another possibility or Dwayne Wright (Belichick- Fresno State connection). Maybe even Brian Leonard, because he's a team player and he can do a lot of different things. Or if they decide to go the free agent route to replace Dillon, look out for Ahman Green (though not sure how much he has left in the tank), Musa Smith, or Chris Brown. Keep in mind Dillon is a big guy 6'1 225 (he's jacked too if you've seen him out of uniform), so the Pats will likely be targeting a larger RB.

[borislav]

With Dillion going to retire and i agree we need a power runner to replace him with a 2-3 rounder.
Also with Jackson being hurt, a wide reciever is need but deffently not 2 espeacially both in the first round
And Harrison always seems to get hurt and we dont have depth at saftey
Linebackers are very very old and depth is need with cain leaves

As a result i think this is how they should draft
First Day
1st round - Landry,Nelson, or Griffin (top saftey)
1st round - Ginn,Meachem,Rice (top WR)
2nd round - Davis,Harris,Siler (2nd round LB)
3rd round - Leonard,Hunt,Wright (power back)