New England Patriots Discussion

[losabio]

im not so sure they draft another RB in day one at least. They got Maroney, and if anything i see them going out and getting another one via FA. Dominic Rhodes, Micheal Turner whoever you like. I wouldnt like to see so many rookies at one position.

As for CJ, I had been saying that for weeks now, and everyone kept denying it, thanks above for finally posting the article. The pats will have to darft a WR, im liking Meachem, maybe Jarret, but we'll se how he does at his pro day cuz i dont think hes running at the combine. Possibly dwayne Bowe as well. i like all these guys and would be happy with any one of them.

[EHobbs27]

Michael Turner is a RFA so it would probably cost us a 2nd rounder maybe a 1st rounder to get him.

I say look to the draft to add a guy, but not early. The guy I want is Dwayne Wright out of Fresno State as maybe a 4th rounder. Tony Hunt would be awesome but we have bigger needs that need to be addressed earlier. It wouldn't suprise me though if we took a RB high.

[rugger]

yeah like I said earlier I won't be shocked if the Pats pick up a RB in 2nd or 3rd rounds if they don't sign a FA.

The Dillon saga is getting more interesting now. He's not retiring, apparently he just wants to be released so he can go to a team where he can be a #1 back and get the most carries. I don't have a link yet, but I've heard it now several times on WEEI now. Dillon told Greg Dickerson of Fox Sports New England that he was "misquoted" and that he doesn't want to retire, he just wants to be released so he can sign with another team.

Dillon is hoping to be released March 1st, but if the Pats wait until June the cap hit goes from 4 mil down to about 2 mil. Personally I don't think Dillon is going to find a team where he'll be the unquestioned #1 guy, wherever he goes he's going to have to share carries because he's 32.

[Matthew Jones]

You should know that the Pats wouldn't touch a player like Merriweather with a ten foot pole. He's not a Patriot type of player. Neither is Randy Moss for that matter, who is probably one the least passionate players in the league (and if you follow the Pats you know Belichick wants guys who love to play football, which is not Moss).

Meriweather seems like a good guy. I got some interviews from him on tape and he seems like he might be a little immature and maybe not the smartest guy, but he's friendly and seems like a good leader type who would respond well to some coaching.

[EHobbs27]

That is what I have said about Meriweather, but people continue to claim he is a thug. I would take Meriweather anyday. He is easily the 3rd best safety in the draft.

[rugger]

I agree that Meriweather is a talented player, and if you ranked the safeties based purely on talent alone, he'd be about 3.

But for me the fact that he carrys a gun and shot back at people (even though they were shooting at him and his teammate) is a concern. I wouldn't want a gun toter on my team. Then you bring in the fact that he can't control his emotions on the field. Wait until he signs his contract and starts making money, I don't think his judgment is suddenly going to get better because he is in the NFL. I would rather not draft him and deal with any headaches he'd bring to a team.

In terms of the Pats, I think that as long as Bob Kraft owns the team he won't let Belichick get a guy who has this much baggage (see the Christian Peter incident of 1996, where days after they drafted the Nebraska DT in the 5th round, they released him because of alcohol/rape charges). The last guy who I can think who had off the field trouble (while with the team) was Kenyatta Jones, and he got released days after he was arrested in 2003.

Basically the Pats don't want off the field troublemakers because they create a bad image in the media/community.

[Poll]

I agree that Meriweather is a talented player, and if you ranked the safeties based purely on talent alone, he'd be about 3.

But for me the fact that he carrys a gun and shot back at people (even though they were shooting at him and his teammate) is a concern. I wouldn't want a gun toter on my team. Then you bring in the fact that he can't control his emotions on the field. Wait until he signs his contract and starts making money, I don't think his judgment is suddenly going to get better because he is in the NFL. I would rather not draft him and deal with any headaches he'd bring to a team.

In terms of the Pats, I think that as long as Bob Kraft owns the team he won't let Belichick get a guy who has this much baggage (see the Christian Peter incident of 1996, where days after they drafted the Nebraska DT in the 5th round, they released him because of alcohol/rape charges). The last guy who I can think who had off the field trouble (while with the team) was Kenyatta Jones, and he got released days after he was arrested in 2003.

Basically the Pats don't want off the field troublemakers because they create a bad image in the media/community.

I saw this list of NFL players who owned guns and if I'm right Asante Samuel was on it.

[losabio]

i heard that Dillon is wanting out because he isnt being utilized like he should and that he wants more carries. Im getting the impression that Dillon held up with a good attitude for several years and now that he has become a "Me" player Bob Kraft is giving him what "HE" wants. Dillon seems to be thinking about himself more than the team, and got his wish, out of the best Franchise in Pro Sports.

[rugger]

I agree that Meriweather is a talented player, and if you ranked the safeties based purely on talent alone, he'd be about 3.

But for me the fact that he carrys a gun and shot back at people (even though they were shooting at him and his teammate) is a concern. I wouldn't want a gun toter on my team. Then you bring in the fact that he can't control his emotions on the field. Wait until he signs his contract and starts making money, I don't think his judgment is suddenly going to get better because he is in the NFL. I would rather not draft him and deal with any headaches he'd bring to a team.

In terms of the Pats, I think that as long as Bob Kraft owns the team he won't let Belichick get a guy who has this much baggage (see the Christian Peter incident of 1996, where days after they drafted the Nebraska DT in the 5th round, they released him because of alcohol/rape charges). The last guy who I can think who had off the field trouble (while with the team) was Kenyatta Jones, and he got released days after he was arrested in 2003.

Basically the Pats don't want off the field troublemakers because they create a bad image in the media/community.

I saw this list of NFL players who owned guns and if I'm right Asante Samuel was on it.

Assante may own a gun, but as far as I know he's never discharged it in public. And until he does I'll stand by him.

As for Merriweather I stand by my belief that the Pats will not take him, because he shows poor judgment on and off the field, and they wouldn't want to deal with the media/public criticism they would get in New England for drafting him.

[255979119]

I agree that Meriweather is a talented player, and if you ranked the safeties based purely on talent alone, he'd be about 3.

But for me the fact that he carrys a gun and shot back at people (even though they were shooting at him and his teammate) is a concern. I wouldn't want a gun toter on my team. Then you bring in the fact that he can't control his emotions on the field. Wait until he signs his contract and starts making money, I don't think his judgment is suddenly going to get better because he is in the NFL. I would rather not draft him and deal with any headaches he'd bring to a team.

In terms of the Pats, I think that as long as Bob Kraft owns the team he won't let Belichick get a guy who has this much baggage (see the Christian Peter incident of 1996, where days after they drafted the Nebraska DT in the 5th round, they released him because of alcohol/rape charges). The last guy who I can think who had off the field trouble (while with the team) was Kenyatta Jones, and he got released days after he was arrested in 2003.

Basically the Pats don't want off the field troublemakers because they create a bad image in the media/community.

I saw this list of NFL players who owned guns and if I'm right Asante Samuel was on it.


Many people own guns. Millions. You just have to know when not to be incompetant, and start waving it around in the public

[BigDawg819]

I agree that Meriweather is a talented player, and if you ranked the safeties based purely on talent alone, he'd be about 3.

But for me the fact that he carrys a gun and shot back at people (even though they were shooting at him and his teammate) is a concern. I wouldn't want a gun toter on my team. Then you bring in the fact that he can't control his emotions on the field. Wait until he signs his contract and starts making money, I don't think his judgment is suddenly going to get better because he is in the NFL. I would rather not draft him and deal with any headaches he'd bring to a team.

In terms of the Pats, I think that as long as Bob Kraft owns the team he won't let Belichick get a guy who has this much baggage (see the Christian Peter incident of 1996, where days after they drafted the Nebraska DT in the 5th round, they released him because of alcohol/rape charges). The last guy who I can think who had off the field trouble (while with the team) was Kenyatta Jones, and he got released days after he was arrested in 2003.

Basically the Pats don't want off the field troublemakers because they create a bad image in the media/community.

I saw this list of NFL players who owned guns and if I'm right Asante Samuel was on it.

Yes but Samuel is not in the classy of a Chris Henry, or a "Pacman" Jones either so its not much of a concern. Hell Karl Malone has lots of guns and hunts but he never got in trouble for them....



Anyway I'm wondering with the lackluster receivers on the roster and now the injury to Chad Jackson, is WR a primary concern for the Patriots? Will they actually give Brady some decent weapons or does he have to make do with what's already there?

[EHobbs27]

Anyway I'm wondering with the lackluster receivers on the roster and now the injury to Chad Jackson, is WR a primary concern for the Patriots? Will they actually give Brady some decent weapons or does he have to make do with what's already there?

I think LB is the first concern for the Pats, but WR is right behind. I think it is about time we add a good #1 WR to the Pats.

[HawkeyeFan]

Curious. Did you guys cut Johnathan Sullivan? Or is he a Free Agent or is he still apart of the Patriots?

[rugger]

Curious. Did you guys cut Johnathan Sullivan? Or is he a Free Agent or is he still apart of the Patriots?

Was on the inactive list for 5 games before being released in October. As far as I know no one else has signed him yet.

[rugger]

Anyway I'm wondering with the lackluster receivers on the roster and now the injury to Chad Jackson, is WR a primary concern for the Patriots? Will they actually give Brady some decent weapons or does he have to make do with what's already there?

I think LB is the first concern for the Pats, but WR is right behind. I think it is about time we add a good #1 WR to the Pats.

Agreed. Getting some youth in the linebacking corps is key, especially in the middle. I would prefer the Pats pick up a reciever or two in free agency as well as drafting somebody, because for the in most cases a rookie reciever is not going to come in and be a huge factor. As we know though the free agent crop of recievers is pretty thin.

1. Donte Stallworth- would be my first choice to sign, but with Rosenthaus as his agent, his price might skyrocket too high.

2. Drew Bennett- taller reciever
3. Kevin Curtis- Short and fast guy, I'd love to see the Pats sign him.
4. Ronald Curry
5. Shaun McDonald
6. Bobby Wade
7. Justin Gage

I discounted Ashley Lelie, because he sucks and he's an underachiever, same with Travis Taylor. There are probably some sleeper free agents I might be missing. It would great if the Pats could sign Stallworth, Bennett, or Curtis. If not I would take two of the other guys. Overall its a weak free agent class for recievers.

[C-Thomas]

as a jets fan i had a quick question for all of the pats fans...i havn't heard much news about tully banta-cain and it kind of surprises me...he had a great season and i heard rumors about you guys going strong for Adalius Thomas..with or without the signing of thomas do you really want banta-cain back or is he not high on the priority list??

[Don Vito]

Yea I really hope we keep Tully. ILB is more of a prority than OLB though b/c Vrabel is a much better OLB. So as much as I would love Adailus Thomas, someone like Donnie Edwards is more practical.

Tully showed that he can be a very good 3-4 OLB this year and I expect him to have a big year next year. He is young as well so we should retain him even if we add a big-time veteran LB.

[255979119]

Yea I really hope we keep Tully. ILB is more of a prority than OLB though b/c Vrabel is a much better OLB. So as much as I would love Adailus Thomas, someone like Donnie Edwards is more practical.

Tully showed that he can be a very good 3-4 OLB this year and I expect him to have a big year next year. He is young as well so we should retain him even if we add a big-time veteran LB.


Tully is a passrusher, that is basically it. His two best games were played when the outcome was already decided.

[briz5x]

updated my draft mock again heehee:

Round 1 #24: Patrick Willis ILB Ole Miss

- S-tud that will hold down the inside for many years.

Fall-back: Paul Posluszny ILB Ohio State.

Round 1 #28: Brandon Meriweather FS Miami

- Complete player just what we need at the safety spot.

Fall-back: Robert Meachem WR Tennessee

Round 2 #60: Marcus McCauley CB Fresno St.

- project CB with great upside, could be the next physical man-to-man CB since Ty Law.

Fall-back: Victor Abiamiri DE/OLB Notre Dame, Buster Davis ILB Florida State

Round 3 #91: Randy Moss WR Oakland

- best WR availible aside from Calvin Johnson.

Round 4 #123: Quincy Black OLB New Mexico

- 6'2" 240lbs 4.42 40-time


Round 4 Compensatory Pick: Tyrone Moss RB Miami

- Strong power RB to back up Maroney.


Round 6 #165: Daniel Sepulveda P Baylor

- Competition for Miller/Saurbran


Round 6 #187: Zak DeOssie LB Brown

- Good for a backup role.

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[RollingThunder]

DeOssie won't last that long. I think he's a day one pick.

[briz5x]

DeOssie won't last that long. I think he's a day one pick.

i dont think it matters that much that DeOssie ran a good 40-time, hes not the most athletic player i still see him going on day 2.

[Ravens1991]

Do you think you guys could take David Harris at 28 and possibly Anthony Spencer at 24?

[EHobbs27]

I would love that mock. Spencer is a steal at 24 and Harris is one of my favorite players in the draft.

I can guarentee DeOssie won't be a second day pick. The lowest he is going is early round 3.

[Billingsley26]

i gotta say that when i see a quote stating that Belichek, Pioli and Kraft are INTERSTED in trading for Moss i will believe it. Cuz as of right now, i just keep hearing that the Patriots are interested, but no word from any personel. there is no way i see them trading for him, NO WAY.

[Handel]

People, go listen the Mayock interview with Brian Lowe, available on Patriots web site. Very interesting. That tells me 24th and 28th spots are not that great to draft DE/OLBs.

http://www.patriots.com/mediacenter/index.cfm?ac=VideoNewsdetail&pid=24282&pcid=83

[EHobbs27]

Well the top 3 DE/OLB prospects IMO are:

1.) Anthony Spencer
2.) Jarvis Moss
3.) Brian Robison or Woodley

There aren't that many big time 3-4 OLB prospects outside of Spencer and he will be gone. Moss didn't have a great combine which could move him down even though the Pats are interested in him, Robison is rising but isn't a first rounder, and Moses and Woodley have fallen way down. I would prefer to just stay at 28 and draft David Harris.

[255979119]

I would not mind seeing us draft a QUALITY right tackle.

[Handel]

I would not mind seeing us draft a QUALITY right tackle.

Why? We already have Kaczur and O'Callaghan.

[rugger]

If anyone hasn't heard Adalius Thomas is likely going to sign with the Pats this weekend. I heard it on WEEI this morning from Adam Schfeter, then I got a confirmation later that Thomas will be in Boston tomorrow for a medical checkup.

[Bostonsportlova]

great news. a lot like the signing of colvin a couple years ago. now looking at the draft now i think ILB is a need on day 1 where OLB isnt on day 1 now. I would like if this happend

1 - Meachem/Ginn
1 - Nelson/Griffen
2 - Harris/Davis
3 - D.Irons/Wilson

[indyfan1985]

Congrats on the Adalius Thomas signing. However this move further shows that you guys have one of the oldest defenses in the NFL since Thomas is almost 31.

[RollingThunder]

Congrats on the Adalius Thomas signing. However this move further shows that you guys have one of the oldest defenses in the NFL since Thomas is almost 31.

Don't you mean 30? I think they said he's 29 right now on SI. And our defense as a whole actually is really young. And, our LB's and SS positions are not old.....they're ancient.

[Don Vito]

Wow. This is a perfect situation for us. We got an elite talent at a position we need help at, and now we can focus on WR/ILB/DB and maybe OL day 1. This is great.

[255979119]

The recent news of my favourite "receiver" in the league receiving an offer from the Pats has made me the happiest lad in the world. Who'd of thunk it that the most versatile player on defense in the league and another versatile weapon in Wes Welker (if Miami does not match) would be coming to Foxboro.

This has made me giddy!!!

[Don Vito]

I like Welker but I do not like the 2nd round pick we are giving up for him. That is a lot in a draft where we could get a very good player at that spot, like David Harris.

[nhlkdog411]

im pumppppppped about thomas and hopefully welker coming too

[Matthew Jones]

im pumppppppped about thomas and hopefully welker coming too

I like both of these pickups a lot, too, especially the way we structured Welker's poison pill deal.

[diabsoule]

Patriots | D. Davis retires
Sun, 4 Mar 2007 19:40:37 -0800

Mike Reiss, of The Boston Globe, reports New England Patriots LB Don Davis has decided to retire. "I sent in my papers the other day, I am retiring officially from the National Football League," Davis said.

[Don Vito]

He hasn't really done much since a few years back, but he was pretty versatile and a good player for us. It was great to see him at SS.

[RaiderNation]

would u guys do this

pats get :moss 2nd #1 and 4th #1

raiders get: 1st#24 and 4th #28

[luckyjackaubrey]

No to your albat(M)rOSS ! We don't want him in NE.

Welker deal is done. a Trade not a RFA deal. Pats gave Miami a 2nd and 7th. Not sure why unless they thought miami would match or it allowed them to not pay him so much $$. Maybe they wanted to get it done b/c they have other plans contigent on this ?

[Beantown]

would u guys do this

pats get :moss 2nd #1 and 4th #1

raiders get: 1st#24 and 4th #28



Hi everyone, not new to the site, but new to posting...

We definately don't want Moss here. If you look at the Patriots WR and draft pick situation we, in essence got:

Welker
#28

for

Branch
#60
#219


I think Welker will fit in perfectly with this system. Ill look for him to catch around 75 for 750 and 6. He is a quick learner, team player, small, fast, athletic, and a classic overacheiver. In fact I think I would be content with a WR core of Welker, Curtis, Furrey and Troy Brown. :)

[rugger]

I still doubt Moss will be coming to the Pats despite the rumors floating about, especially since I don't think Al Davis will take a third rounder for him and he certainly isn't worth one of the first rounders. I like Welker as a player, but I'm not sure giving up a 2nd rounder for him is a great idea. I would have preferred that they went after Kevin Curtis, who wouldn't have cost them any draft picks.

And I'm a big fan of Thomas signing. He certainly sounds like a great guy and I'm looking forward to seeing him in the uniform.

I think our draft priorities barring any additional free agent signings are

1. Secondary Help (Safety or a Cornerback). It's possible they could take a player who is flexible and can play either. I doubt they'll trade up for Landry, though I'd love to see that happen.

2. Inside Linebacker- They still need a young guy to play the inside, because I think Bruschi is going to retire after this next season (2007).

3. Wide Reciever

[hcbrad08]

It doesn't matter what anyone in NE thinks if Bill Belichick wants Randy Moss he'll get him ... Even though he is locker room cancer.

I would be much more content on Welker, Curtis, Furrey, Brown and RANDY MOSS

[bigstiffcharles]

no way do the pats give up a first rounder for moss...if moss were to agree to restructure his contract i'd trade our 28th pick for the raiders second round pick and moss....but definitely no more than that...you never know what you're gonna get from the thug.

[Don Vito]

As reported by Jay via NFL.com, we signed Donte Stallworth. The draft situation had changed a lot now. ILB and DB are definitely our top 2 needs.

[Don Vito]

lol nevermind, NFL.com screwed up big-time on that breaking news bar. I think we'll end up signing him eventually.

[ElectricEye]

lol nevermind, NFL.com screwed up big-time on that breaking news bar. I think we'll end up signing him eventually.

http://philadelphia.comcastsportsnet...p.asp?ID=46287
Originally found in the thread in the NFL forum.
Welker, Stallworth, Caldwell, Gaffney, Maroney, Watson, and Thomas..
We're on offense. This is all on paper of course, but we're way more talented this year than we were last year. I'm wondering what this does to Chad Jackson..
As for how this effects the draft....I would love to see us draft a linebacker like Patrick Willis, since we still lack youth at that position. I would also love to see us draft a safety...such as Nelson or Griffin. Then we could go corner in the 3rd. I wouldn't mind if we drafted Revis or Houston with one of our 1st rounders either...

[Beantown]

Who will be our #1? Welker? Stallworth? I dont see either as a true #1 Wr in this league.

[Don Vito]

Who will be our #1? Welker? Stallworth? I dont see either as a true #1 Wr in this league.

I really don't see Welker or Stallworth (even though we dont have him yet) as #1's, but then again Caldwell wasn't viewed as a #1 but he was our #1 all year and was fairly decent until the playoffs. Stallworth probably would be the #1 if we got him. Welker is not a #1 wideout, he is at his best as a slot guy but could be the #2 guy here possibly. If we don't end up with Stallworth we still may spend a round 1 pick on a wideout. Caldwell is adequate, Gaffney improved a lot as the year went on, Chad Jackson may be out, Welker is more of a slot guy but will probably have a bigger role in '07, and Troy Brown may retire. That is our situation as of now. If we don't get Stallworth, WR is still a round 1 need imo.

[alca1992]

hey do you guys think we will still draft a Wr in the 1st

[UK Patriot]

No way do we draft WR in 1st round, even before the drafting of Stallworth i didnt think it was enough of a need to draft a WR. It was lack of speed on defense, and the inability to stop the Colts running game which cost us a Superbowl appearance. After signing Thomas, we still need help at S, CB and fresh legs at LB.

Plus, its being reported that we've just agreed terms with WR Kelley Washington!

[Don Vito]

No way do we draft WR in 1st round, even before the drafting of Stallworth i didnt think it was enough of a need to draft a WR. It was lack of speed on defense, and the inability to stop the Colts running game which cost us a Superbowl appearance. After signing Thomas, we still need help at S, CB and fresh legs at LB.

Plus, its being reported that we've just agreed terms with WR Kelley Washington!

Yes we have, and I like the signing. Some Pats fans seem critical of it since he is another middle-of-the-road pass catcher for Brady, but he could be more than that. We now have Stallworth, Caldwell, Welker, Gaffney, and Washington (hopefully Chad Jackson and maybe Troy Brown). That is a decent corps in my eyes, and is even better when you throw in Ben Watson, Dave Thomas, Maroney, and Faulk.

I really like Caldwell and Gaffney as well, Caldwell got a bum rap for the playoffs and was solid all season. He should be the #2, maybe even #1. I am a huge Gaffney fan, he really improved and got comfortable in NE as the season went on. He should be our #4 guy, but we will continue to spread the ball around in '07 and he will get his fair shair of passes. Welker should be a great #3 target and returner, and Stallworth is looking like our #1 but could be the #2 to Caldwell.

Washington is big and strong and has decent speed. I really think he is very similar to Dwayne Bowe. The Washington addition WR in the first round an even smaller, almost non-existant possibility.

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^stallworth will not be a #2..hes the best WR we have ..period

He started in New Orleans and got 950 yards when Horn was hurt and then started last year for Philly and had 750 yards while missing 4 games

[Don Vito]

^stallworth will not be a #2..hes the best WR we have ..period

He started in New Orleans and got 950 yards when Horn was hurt and then started last year for Philly and had 750 yards while missing 4 games

I agree with you, I said in my post he most likely will be the #1.

He is definitely not the sure-fire #1 though, last season Caldwell had a good year as our #1 year until the playoffs. Plus we rarely run any 1 WR sets so he would be starting IF he were the #2.

[draftguru151]

http://www.miamiherald.com/588/story/41097.html

Just so you guys know the Welker deal is legit.

[Don Vito]

http://www.miamiherald.com/588/story/41097.html

Just so you guys know the Welker deal is legit.

Good, didn't want any controversy.

I think Meriweather to NE could happen. His character concerns are kind of blown out of propotion. The brawl was pretty bad, but he really had no issues other than that and he is a great player. He is versatile as well and that is huge for us.

[neko4]

Hey Pats fans new "fantasy offseason-type" game starting up
http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/forum/showthread.php?t=4174

[Don Vito]

On WEEI they just said there have been some talks between the Pats and Lance Briggs, and apparently those talks are heating up.

Granted it is just a radio program, but that would be a pretty impressive addition. I'm assuming they would want him to play inside, I am not sure how that would work out but he is probably a better option then Bruschi. Just imagine this: Colvin-Vrabel-Briggs-Thomas.

[remix 6]

On WEEI they just said there have been some talks between the Pats and Lance Briggs, and apparently those talks are heating up.

Granted it is just a radio program, but that would be a pretty impressive addition. I'm assuming they would want him to play inside, I am not sure how that would work out but he is probably a better option then Bruschi. Just imagine this: Colvin-Vrabel-Briggs-Thomas.

i would oppose it. Briggs is a whiny ***** and he already stated he doesnt like a 3-4

NEXT

[Don Vito]

i would oppose it. Briggs is a whiny ***** and he already stated he doesnt like a 3-4

NEXT

Well if he comes to NE that means he would probably want to be here. I am guessing that he would come here knowing that we ran a 3-4 and he isn't expecting us to switch to a 4-3 or cover 2 just because he prefers it. Again, I just said what I heard on the radio and its just a rumor.

[Matthew Jones]

Which players do you guys feel as though New England has showed a lot of interest in thus far? I have noticed a few...

FB Brian Leonard, Rutgers
WR Chris Davis, Florida St.
DE Adam Carriker, Nebraska
LB Buster Davis, Florida St.

I am not really sure as to how some of these guys would fit in but it's interesting to think about. Buster Davis is 5'9", 242, runs about a 4.75, and can only do 11 reps of 225. I don't really see how he would be a first day pick, but maybe in the third or so?

[luckyjackaubrey]

Bill seems to be visiting a group of guys that are more second through fourth round worthy.I think he may be eyeing a move down to get additional picks . I hate hearing about all these sleepers "moving up" ( DeOssie, Leonard, Piscitelli) . It seems all the mid-round gems are getting a little too much press and jeopardizing my favorite middle rounds !

[255979119]

My only concern for next season is secondary health and the age at MLB. I love Bruschi and will cry to see him benched or retire because I believe he is one of the few un-greedy people in the league, that and he is an on-field defensive co-ordinator. But we need to replace him, his cover skills have greatly deteriorated since the infamous stroke.

[jamalot23]

I like Welker but I do not like the 2nd round pick we are giving up for him. That is a lot in a draft where we could get a very good player at that spot, like David Harris.

Yeah like we got Chad Jackson in the 2nd last year... everyone would take Welker over him straight up any and every day.... great move by the Pats

[Don Vito]

Yeah like we got Chad Jackson in the 2nd last year... everyone would take Welker over him straight up any and every day.... great move by the Pats

Welker is a pretty good player and grabbing him was a pretty good move, but Jackson upside is through the roof. I guarantee you that a large portion of people on this site would take CJ over Welker just because of his talent. If he gets healthy and puts the pieces together, he could be special.

[NAVY]

I for one would take Welker. He can do it all....(Troy Brown) Jackson will probably never return kicks/punts. NE does not need straight up WR's, they spread the ball around too much to make any one player dominant. So having guys that are good at many things vs one thing makes them a better team.

[remix 6]

I for one would take Welker. He can do it all....(Troy Brown) Jackson will probably never return kicks/punts. NE does not need straight up WR's, they spread the ball around too much to make any one player dominant. So having guys that are good at many things vs one thing makes them a better team.

wow he can catch and return..big deal

his returns are not good..he averages 22 or 23 per kickoff return..Maroney had 28(not gonna do it this yr) Hobbs average 36

on PR, Faulk averaged 10.6 per return, Welker 9.2 while Jackson had 25.3 on 3 returns

[255979119]

wow he can catch and return..big deal

his returns are not good..he averages 22 or 23 per kickoff return..Maroney had 28(not gonna do it this yr) Hobbs average 36

on PR, Faulk averaged 10.6 per return, Welker 9.2 while Jackson had 25.3 on 3 returns

If you return 3 kicks for 70 yards and a long run of lets say 24 then that shows consistency

If you return 3 kicks for 80 yards and have a long run of 60, that shows inconsistancy

You cannot tell a KR by his average

[luckyjackaubrey]

Agreed. BB is more concerned with someone he can trust on PR/KR. He wants the guy who will make the sound decision inside the 20 and someone who will catch the ball - not fumble it. A homerun hitter is nice and you will see Jackson ( when healthy) or Maroney if they are in need of a momentum changer. Welker is that guy you know doesn't muff up field postion /possesion.

[gridiron nation]

I think we will go best player available like we always do regardless of position but do not be surprised if we go Posluzny, Meachum with our picks.

www.gridironnation.com

[Bigburt63]

I could see the pats drafting Posluzny but I don't see us drafting a wide receiver in the first round, never mind the first day, if at all

[Don Vito]

I have a feeling that we end up taking Jon Beason, possibly even if Posluszny is available. He has always struck me as a good player for us and their has always been interest in him from the orginization since the college football season ended. With the other pick we will probably go safety or CB, but do not count out OLB, OT, or WR. I would love to see us land and ILB along with Reggie Nelson, Mike Griffin, Aaron Ross, Darrelle Revis, or Houston. But prospects like Joe Staley, Tony Ugoh, Dwayne Jarrett, Sidney Rice, Robert Meachem, LaMarr Woodley, and Anthony Spencer all seem like real possibilities (even if they are first round reaches).

[Handel]

We all speak of S, LB AND CB. But imagine if Pats end by selecting Joe Staley and Dwayne Bowe. Lol.

I am fearing that could be a similar scenario. (not the sample player, but a similar suprise).

[Bigburt63]

Honestly, it would not be as much of a suprise after first glance. The patriots do have a tendency to draft according to their own values and own feelings of needs. Very few, if any, expected the patriots to draft benjamin watson with the 32nd pick a few years ago. I personally feel that another year has to be given to both Kazcur and O'Callaghan for the right tackle spot, and that Light played a better second half than first and therefore do not see tackle as being a first day need.

[Don Vito]

This is how I see our team needs as of now. For the positional rankings for ths needed positions, I ranked the players by how they fit our team. It also does not mean that they will be available when we pick.

1. ILB-Vrabel is a solid starter. The fact that he is better suited to be an OLB is irrelevant now because we brought in Adailus Thomas to play alongside Colvin. However, Vrabel is getting up there as is our other starter Tedy Bruschi. Bruschi probably has one more year of football in him, and we really saw this last year. Junior Seau's status is up in the air and for depth we have Eric Alexander, Larry Izzo, and Corey Mays. All 3 of those players are best as special teamers.
1.Patrick Willis, Ole Miss 2.Paul Posluszny, PSU 3.Jon Beason, Mia 4.David Harris, Mich 5.Brandon Siler,Florida 6.Zak DeOssie,Brown 7.Buster Davis, FSU 8.Stewart Bradley, Neb 9.Desmond Bishop, Cal 10.HB Blades, Pitt

2. SAFETY-Year in and year out we have been ravaged by injury and depth issues. At SS, Rodney Harrison is aging and has been hurt for the majority of the past few seasons. James Sanders is our backup SS and has been solid in run support, but his lack of speed often makes him a liability in coverage. At FS we Eugene Wilson pegged in as our starter. When healthy, Wilson has been a promising young player who is very complete. He is athletic, versatile (can play corner), is decent in coverage, and can certainly tackle. However, Wilson cannot manage to stay healthy either. Using a first rounder on a versatile player who could play free and strong, and possibly corner, would be a wise decision.
1.Laron Landry SS/FS LSU 2.Reggie Nelson FS/SS/CB Florida 3.Brandon Meriweather SS/FS/CB Miami 4.Mike Griffin SS/FS Texas 5.Eric Weddle SS/FS/CB Utah 6.Aaron Rouse SS VT 7.Josh Gattis FS Wake 8.John Wendling FS/SS Wyoming 9.Sabby Piscatelli SS/FS 10.Daren Stone SS/FS

3. CB-As of now, we have a great starting tandem of corners in Asante Samuel and Ellis Hobbs. Samuel had a breakout season last year and Hobbs showed major improvements. However, we don't know if Asante is going to be back in 2007. Even if Asante stays there is little to no depth behind our starters. Randall *** has not even seen the field in the past couple of seasons, but he would be a solid #3 if he could get healthy. We need some size, athleticism, and depth at this position, and a corner could definitely be taken round 1.
1.Leon Hall, Mich 2.Darrelle Revis, Pitt 3.Chris Houston, Ark 4.Aaron Ross, Tex 5.Marcus McCauley, Fresno 6.Josh Wilson, Maryland 7.Eric Wright, UNLV 8.Daymeion Hughes, Cal 9.Jonathan Wade, Tenn 10.Fred Bennet SC

4. RB-Corey Dillon was released, which hurts this team a lot. There is now no longer a bruising option to compliment Maroney. Maroney may now be the feature back in the offense-he certainly has the size, strength, and speed to do it. However, if we choose to go back to a system where RB's split carries, we do not really have the personnel now. Kevin Faulk is still a solid 3rd down back and we have Patrick Pass and Heath Evans as FB/RB 'tweeners, but they are not ideal options. Adding a player like Tony Hunt in the third or fourth is a realistic option. I do not agree with taking Brian Leonard in the first round. We have bigger needs.
1.Adrian Peterson OU 2.Marshawn Lynch Cal 3.Michael Bush UL 4.Tony Hunt PSU 5.Darius Walker ND 6.Antonio Pittman OSU 7.Dwayne Wright Fresno 8.Kenny Irons Auburn 9.DeShawn Wynn UF 10.Lorenzo Booker FSU

5. OFFENSIVE LINE-LT Matt Light didn't have a spectacular 2006 season at left tackle, but he still looks like the starter for next year. With our move to the ZBS, he looks like a pretty good fit for the scheme. Our starting RT, Nick Kazcur, is a decent fit but does not have the great athleticism the ZBS requires. Backup tackles Ryan O'Callaghan and Wesley Britt fit awkwardly in the ZBS. As for OG, Logan Mankins and Steve Neal are solid starters, as is center Dan Koppen. There is adequate depth, but do not be suprised if you see a versatile lineman who can play mulitiple positions come to NE in round 1 (Aaron Sears?Justin Blalock or even Joe Staley/Ben Grubbs/Levi Brown).
1.Joe Thomas T Wisc 2.Levi Brown T PSU 3.Aaron Sears G/T Tenn 4.Joe Staley T CMU 5.Ben Grubbs G Aub 6.Justin Blalock G/T Tex 7.Tony Ugoh T Ark 8.Marshal Yanda T/G Iowa 9.Ryan Harris T ND 10.Josh Beekman G BC

6. WR-This position was a first round need until we added some talent this off-season. Still, there does not appear to be any great receivers in the group, just a bunch of solid ones. Stallworth is a talent but he is inconsistent so I am not going to consider him great yet. We could see a WR come to NE as early as round 1. Players like Jarret, Bowe, Meachem, and Sidney Rice all seem like possibilities.
1.Calvin Johnson GT 2.Dwayne Bowe LSU 3.Dwayne Jarret USC 4.Robert Meachem Tenn 5.Ted Ginn OSU 6.Sidney Rice SC 7.Craig Davis LSU 8.Anthony Gonzalez OSU 9.Steve Smith USC 10.Jason Hil WASU

7. DE/OLB-The addition of Adailus Thomas was huge. We have Colvin and Thomas as our starters, and if neccesary Mike Vrabel could bump out to OLB. We lost Tully Banta-Cain, but he was a dissappoinment in NE. Pierre Woods is a huge, athletic second year man out of Michigan who played primarily special teams last year, but could have an increased role in 2007. Another Michigan OLB, LaMarr Woodley, would be a great 3rd round pick to me, it seems like his stock is falling and he could be available there.
1.Gaines Adams Clem 2.Anthony Spencer Purdue 3.LaMarr Woodley, Mich 4.Jarvis Moss Florida 5.Lawrence Timmons FSU 6.Quentin Moses UGA 7.Victor Abiamiri ND 8.Brian Robinson Tex 9.Dan Bazuin CMU

[Ravens1991]

Will adalius play OLB or ILB for you, I thought he would play OLB but I Jay in the forum mock has him listed as a ILB.

[Don Vito]

He will be an OLB opposite Rosie Colvin.

[Jay]

Some of the depth charts I have read have him at ILB. It doesn't matter, him and Vrabel are going to alternate spots on the field so no one knows where they are coming from...

[jonbrodo17]

hi, i come from the eagles team board. I want to know if you guys are gonna b taking Brandon Meriweather

[briz5x]

hi, i come from the eagles team board. I want to know if you guys are gonna b taking Brandon Meriweather

most likely, the pats gave him multiple workouts and we need a free safety, we got Rodney Harrison at SS. You guys would probably be better off with Griffin for SS since you got Dawkins already.

[jonbrodo17]

the thinking is that meriweather would be playing corner for a year or two and then Dawk would work with him at safety when he has a smaller role

[alca1992]

how you guys like this draft

1. Paul "Puz" Puzluzney| LB| Penn State

He might not be at this pick. If he is i would love to have him. I think he is able to play the 3-4. Our LB core is old! who are we going to start once they retire. I dont think he would start at his rookie year but he could provide depth.

2. Brandon Merriweather| S | Miami

It came down to Brandon or Reggie Nelson and even tough i would prefer Nelson. Brandon just seems more of a "Patriot Guy" and is much mor likely to pick him over Nelson. Merriweather is more versitle and can play both CB or S.

3. Dwayne Wright| RB | Fresno State

I dont know why but i love Wright. He is a strong powerful back who can run it up the middle. Just Imagine Maroney running it on the outside and Wright going in the inside. Another thing i like is he is a capable receiver out of the backfield. He is very versitle ( we all know that the Patriots love that) and can even play FB.

4. H. B. Blades| ILB | Pittsburgh

Can provide depth in the inside and could probaly start in the future.

5. Chase Johnson| OT | Wyoming

Huge! That says it all ( 6'8"). I have have actually done a little research on him ive read over 11 scouting reports on this guy and can say i think he could turn into a starter. His only problem stands up straight when he plays.

6a. Jared Zabransky| QB | Boise State

I think he is a steal a great leader and can provide depth.

6b. Yamon Figurs| WR/RS | Kansas State

I was never impressed with Maroney as a returner and Yamon is one of the best returners. Can also provide WR Depth

6c. Brandon Fields| P | Michigan State

hey we need a punter.

6d. David Ball| WR | New Hampshire

hes a hometown boy and depth never hurts anyone

7. Cody Boyd| TE | Washingtion State

Hey who says this is the year we dont draft a TE. Anyways is a great blocker and is huge.

[255979119]

We're getting Deossie, nuff said.

[Bostonsportlova]

Good draft overall but.

I perfer Nelson of Brandon but i agree that the pats have been high on Brandon, but Nelson is from Florida (Meyers friend of Bill) and had workouts

I agree Brandon is a patroit player physicaly but deffently not behavorial wise remmber he steped on a guys leg during a game and other problems

And i would rather have Zac D. then Wright in the 3rd, but i like Wright though

Yamon Figurs wont be there in the 6th because of the success of Devin Hester last season, he ran the fastest 40 time and returns he will go 3-4

[Jay]

A funny picture I found of Tedy Bruschi on the Pats website:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v85/JayMJ99/random/disneybruschi.jpg

[ElectricEye]

You know, I could make a really jackassey comment about that picture, but I won't because Tedy is the man.

[Bigburt63]

http://www.patriots.com/news/index.cfm?ac=latestnewsdetail&pid=25053&pcid=41

the links says that according to the boston globe, brady agreed to restructure his contract to get enough cap room to land moss. i am feeling more and more confident with the move every day

[ElectricEye]

Yeah, I heard about that. People kissed Manning's ass for doing that to keep Reggie Wayne.

[255979119]

Yeah, I heard about that. People kissed Manning's ass for doing that to keep Reggie Wayne.

Manning did not take a pay cut ever in his career though.

[swagger]

What ## is Moss going to wear???????????????????

[ElectricEye]

Unless I missed something, we don't know yet.
edit;w00t 900

[Don Vito]

What do you think our top need is right now, after the draft of course. Probably ILB and CB I think. We need some CB depth badly, and we really don't have too much young, run stuffing talent at ILB. The again "we don't draft linebackers", so we probably would grab a DE who we think can play ILB in the 3-4. I am asking this because I just made a mock in which I gave us Derrick Harvey and Antoine Cason.

[ElectricEye]

Yeah, those are pretty much our needs right now. We could use another safety as well, since Rodney won't be around forever.

[luckyjackaubrey]

Exactly how many days is it until I get to scream for us to draft James Laurinaitis ?

[Don Vito]

Depth Chart Outlook

OFFENSE

QB-Tom Brady, Matt Cassell, Mark Gutierrez
Tom Brady and Matt Cassell look to hold their jobs as #1 and #2, but Mark Gutierrez has received a little hype recently and could turn out to be a pleasent suprise, at least as a backup.
HB-Laurence Maroney, Sammy Morris, Kevin Faulk, Justise Hairston
With Corey Dillon gone, the running game looks to rest mainly on Maroney's shoulders. He started off great last year, then faded off. Kevin Sammy Morris was added in the offseason and looks to compete for the #2 job with Kevin Faluk, a valuable receiver and 3rd down back.
FB-Heath Evans, Garret Mills, Quad Hill
Patrick Pass is gone and missed most of last season and is gone now, so Evans look likes he will be seeing most FB reps in 2007. He will probably serve more as a RB as most of our FB's have over the last 5 seasons. Garret Mills and Quadtrine Hill are 2 intriguing guys. They are both 2nd year players who were good in college and are spectacular athletes, yet haven't gotten a chance whether from injuries or inexperience. Look out for these guys, especially Mills (a college TE) to make an impact in '07.
WR-Randy Moss, Donte Stallworth, Wes Welker, Reche Caldwell, Jabar Gaffney, Kelly Washington, Chad Jackson
With a huge off-season influx of talent at this position, the passing game looks to be a real threat in 2007. Moss, Stallworth, and Welker are all new guys who could lock up the top 3 spots on the DC. But it looks like we will be running a lot of 4 and 5 WR sets this season, so Caldwell, Gaffney, and even new-guy Kelly Washington should get some balls their way. If Chad Jackson comes back healthy he could really suprise some people.
TE-Ben Watson, Kyle Brady, David Thomas, Matt Kranchik, OJ Santiago, Garret Mills
Ben Watson didn't have his break out year as expected last year, and he probably won't see as many passes his way with all of the new WR talent. Still, Watson is very gifted and can make a huge impact. Kyle Brady is another new face who will fill the departed Dan Graham's shoes as a blocker, yet he is nowhere near the athlete Graham is and is not as good of a receiver. David Thomas is undersized yet was impressive last season as a TE/slot WR/H-Back. Matt Kranchik and OJ Santiago are new additions who look to be blockers, and Garret Mills got moved to FB but is still a talented pass cacher who could see some TE/H-Back reps.
LT-Matt Light, Wes Britt, Corey Hilliard, Clint Odenburg
Matt Light is back as LT after what some saw as a dissappointing 2006. Light is a pretty good fit for te ZBS being implimented, and this could help improve his play in 2007. The depth behind him is pretty iffy, consisting of essentially unproven late-round picks or UDFAs. Britt was not bad when called upon in '06.
LG-Logan Mankins, Russ Hochstein, Billy Yates, Mike Elgin
Mankins has been stellar in his 1st 2 seasons, hopefully he can do the same this year. Russ Hochstein is a very valuable backup who has played well when on the field. Mike Elgin was a WTF? pick who has earned good reviews in camp up to this point, he is a great fit for the ZBS.
C-Dan Koppen, Russ Hochstein, Gene Mruckzowski, Mike Elgin
Koppen has had some injury issues, yet he has been great when on the field. If he manages to stay healthy and adapts well to the new blocking scheme, he could really break out. Russ Hochstein has played some C, Gene Mruczowski hasn't got too many chances, and Elgin is another depth guy.
RG-Steve Neal, Russ Hochstein, Billy Yates, Cory Hillard
Stephen Neal is another solid interior OL guy. He is a tenacious run-blocker with good athleticism, which should translate well to the ZBS. Hochstein has played RG as well, Billy Yates got a few chances and did well, and Cory Hillard can play multiple positions which makes him valuable.
RT-Nick Kaczur, Ryan O'Callaghan, Cory Hillard, Clint Odenburg
This is the biggest position battle on the OL. Kaczur looks like he will be the starter, but 2nd year man Ryan O'Callaghan was impressive before injuries in 2006. The move to the ZBS helps Kaczur as O'Callaghan is more of a massive mauler. But don't count O'Callaghan out, he is more athletic than his 40 time would indicate and really impressed coasches last year.

DEFENSE

RE-Richard Seymour, Jarvis Green, Marquise Hill
Big Rich continued his great play in 2006, and all signs point to more great play in 2007. Seymour is one of the best, if not the best player at his position in the NFL. He demands a double or triple team almost every play which is why he doesn't put up huge numbers. Seymour's unselfish play makes the whole defense better. Jarvis Green is a great depth guy, who has amazing pass rushing skills and quickness for a 300 pounder. This is probably Marquise Hill's last year to show he can do something, this one time 2nd rounder is a great talent who has done nothing in 3 years.
NT-Vince Wilfork, Mike Wright, LeKevin Smith
Vince was solid in 2006 and is a great space eater and athlete for his size. He looks like he could continue improving, and if he does he could be an all-pro. Mike Wright was a great backup in 2006, he played great on defense and special teams. LeKevin Smith is a 2nd year guy who was impressive in limited action as a rookie.
LE-Ty Warren, Jarvis Green, Marquise Hill, Santonio Thomas, Kareem Brown
Out of all our DL in 2006, Warren was perhaps the most impressive. Arguably a pr-bowl snub, Warren was dominant and was almost unstoppable at times. If Seymour continues his elite level of play, and Wilfork and Warren keep improving this young, outstanding DL could be one of the best we have ever seen. Santonio Thomas and Kareem Brown are 2 very talented youngsters out of Miami who could be good players once they refine their game.
SOLB-Roosevelt Colvin, Eric Alexander, Justin Rodgers
Colvin is another defensive player coming off of a solid season. A great pass-rusher who can also play the run, Rosie looks to be a major part of our defense in 2007. Versatile Eric Alexander is a decent pass rusher with good speed, and he is very good in coverage and special teams. Justin Rodgers is a rookie out of SMU who is pretty much an unknown at this point, but he has the size and speed (on paper) to make it.
WILB-Mike Vrabel, Larry Izzo, Corey Mays, Oscar Lua
Mike Vrable continues to be a vocal leader and a great player for the Pats. He can play DE (on passing downs), OLB, and ILB all very well. He is a complete player who does it all for the Pats. Larry Izzo is a special teamer who get limited chances on defense. Corey Mays is a second year man out of Notre Dame who primarily played special teams, but could see a bigger role this year. Oscar Lua is a physical rookie out of USC who I liked in college (was overshadowed a little) and could be a real suprise.
SILB-Tedy Bruschi, Junior Seau, Eric Alexander, Larry Izzo, Justin Rodgers
This was probably our biggest problem area on deense aside from safety in 2006. Tedy Bruschi is the unquestioned leader of the linebackers and the defense, yet his play has gone downhill. If Junior Seau does indeed comeback he could provide some good depth, but he is almost 39 I believe. Eric Alexander is quick and versatile, but like Larry Izzo has primarily played special teams and thats it. Justin Rodgers is getting looked at as an ILB as well as OLB, and an ILB is quite the shift from a mid-major college DE.
WOLB-Adailus Thomas, Pierre Woods
Adding Adailus Thomas was huge for the Pats. It made the dissappointing Tully Banta-Cain expendable and it added an elite talent for this already solid defense. Thomas can do it all - he is a superb pass rusher, solid against the run, good in coverage, and a super athlete. Colvin and Thomas look to be one of the leagues better sets of 3-4 OLBs. Pierre Woods is a big and fast second year man who primarily played special teams as a rookie but could see his role expand.
CB-Asante Samuel, Ellis Hobbs, Randall ***, Tory James, Chad Scott, Antwan Spann, Willie Andrews, Mike Richardson
Asante Samuel and Ellis Hobbs are a quality starting CB duo, but there isn't too much behind them. Randall *** has been impressive when on the field, but he has missed almost his whole career due to injuries. Ex-Bengal Tory James was a pro-bowler a few seasons ago, but his play has declined and he is getting old. Chad Scott is another old guy who is unspectacular, but provides depth and has definitely played better than I thought he would. Antwan Spann, Willie Andrews, and Mike Richardson are all youngsters who haven't showed much yet (Andrews was solid on special teams).
FS-Eugene Wilson, Brandon Meriweather, Artrell Hawkins, Willie Andrews
If Eugene Wilson is healthy, he probably will be our starter. Wilson is being kind of cast aside by Pats fans, which is to be expected when you miss 2 seasons with injuries. But Wilson is a playmaker when on the field and could really be a huge asset as a FS and CB. 1st rounder Brandon Meriweather may not start week 1, but if Wilson is healthy he shouldn't have to. Give him time to adjust if he needs it. Artrell Hawkins was our starter for most of last year and should be a good depth guy/special teamer this year. Willie Andrews is primarily a special teamer.
SS-Rodney Harrison, James Sanders, Brandon Meriweather
Rodney Harrison has missed quite a long time due to injuries as well. He didn't look to be his normal self in his short time on the field last year, either. James Sanders looked promising in 2006, but his lack of speed really makes him a liability in coverage. He is a physical player who is great against the run, though. Meriweather can play SS as well as FS and CB which could be very valuable.

[Don Vito]

Exactly how many days is it until I get to scream for us to draft James Laurinaitis ?

I would like to see Laurinatis as a Pat, but I would take Maualuga over him any day. Maybe even Vince Hall, you never know how next NCAA season will turn out.

[alca1992]

do you think sammy morris will start over faulk

[alca1992]

you probaly already know this but the pats released justin warren

[Don Vito]

do you think sammy morris will start over faulk

I think that by the time the season rolls around Morris will be the #2 and Faulk will be the #3. But they will both get plenty of touches, remember that Faulk got plenty of reps last season as the #3, even when Dillon and Maroney were both healthy. Morris could be a guy who suprises, he didn't have too much to work with in Miami during his career. He has good size to go with decent athleticism, and he is a decent receiver. I think he will do pretty well and Faulk will continue to be a pretty good 3rd down back.

edit-yes I heard about Warren, and that is dissappointing to me. I thought he had a chance to make it.

[Nalej]

Don't forget with that DC just posted... Jr Seau adds depth as well to OLB

[Don Vito]

Don't forget with that DC just posted... Jr Seau adds depth as well to OLB

Yea I just added him good call.

[Don Vito]

Something new to add to the wishlist - use a second rounder on Paul Oliver in the supplemental draft.

[255979119]

Something new to add to the wishlist - use a second rounder on Paul Oliver in the supplemental draft.

GIVE UP A SECOND?!?

[Don Vito]

GIVE UP A SECOND?!?

I would. Hell, if we gave up a second for a #3 WR and PR, I would definitely give up a round 2 pick for one of the most gifted CB prospects in recent memory (my opinion).

[Don Vito]

Patriots | Krats building Patriot Place complex
Sun, 20 May 2007 12:21:51 -0700
Jenn Abelson, of the <A href="http://www.kffl.com/link/200">Boston Globe, reports New England Patriots (http://www.kffl.com/team/24/nfl) owners Robert Kraft and Jonathan Kraft are building a $350 million retail and entertainment complex on much of the 700 acres they own around Gilette stadium. The project, known as Patriot Place, has 1.3 million square feet and will feature such attractions as a Patriots (http://www.kffl.com/team/24/nfl) museum, a sports medicine and healthcare clinic, a 500-seat jazz club and a high-end movie theater with reserved seating and concierge service. The first phase of the project is set to open this fall.

From KFFL, pretty cool stuff

[remix 6]

GIVE UP A SECOND?!?

if BB feels the kid isnt ********..id do it. We have 2 threes and 4s..we can always trade up in future.

[255979119]

if BB feels the kid isnt ********..id do it. We have 2 threes and 4s..we can always trade up in future.

I also forgot about the 49er's first.

[Jay]

Yeah, I'd use a second on Oliver in a heatbeat...

[Don Vito]

Any thoughts on Asante's comments at the golf tournament? It sounds like he means business, hopefully we find a way to keep in NE because we are yet again pretty thin at CB. Other than Asante it looks like we got Hobbs, Tory James, Randall cool, Ray Mickens, Chad Scott, Willie Andrews, Antwan Spann, and Notre Dame rookie Mike Richardson. Hopefully Asante stays but if he doesn't we may see the Geno Wilson or Meriweather get moved from FS to CB (this is the beauty of versatile players).

[luckyjackaubrey]

some moist and meaty discussion on this in NFL section...

[bigstiffcharles]

If they take Oliver in the supplemental draft (which I doubt), they should just trade Samuel for a first, or two seconds. Imagine if we had three firsts next year.

[Don Vito]

Three first rounder would be great but I would much rather have Asante and 2 round 1 picks. I doubt we grab Oliver, but using a second or third on him would be a great addition for the defense. What sometimes gets passed over though is that Eugene Wilson and Brandon Meriweather can play corner, and if Randall Cool is healthy and Asante returns that gives us Asante, Hobbs, Randall ***, Tory James, Wilson/Meriweather, Chad Scott, and Willie Andrews. That would probably be our best group of CBs since we had a healthy Ty Law. If we lose Asante CB becomes a big need though.

[The Dynasty]

http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r60/dynasty9889/randymoss.jpg

http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r60/dynasty9889/randymoss.jpg

If someone wants to us this signature you can have it, i just made it and thought i throw it out there to you guys.

[Don Vito]

I just got a new one made but that is pretty nice

[Don Vito]

Here's an interview of Moss from Tuesday at mini-camp from Patriots.com. Seems like he's excited to play for the Pats, especially BB and Brady.

http://www.patriots.com/mediacenter/index.cfm?ac=VideoNewsdetail&pid=25866&pcid=111

[Bigburt63]

http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r60/dynasty9889/randymoss.jpg

http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r60/dynasty9889/randymoss.jpg

If someone wants to us this signature you can have it, i just made it and thought i throw it out there to you guys.

id like to use that if nobody else is

[Don Vito]

Has anyone seen the Anotine Winfield to NE rumore? It was posted on the Vikings thread and was just curious if anyone else has heard of it. I liked Winfield in Buffalo but he hasn't been amazing in Minny, I wouldn't give up a 1st rounder for him but a second I probably would.

[The Dynasty]

I wish Samuel and Winfield were on the same level because i would love to see him in purple haha.

[ElectricEye]

Has anyone seen the Anotine Winfield to NE rumore? It was posted on the Vikings thread and was just curious if anyone else has heard of it. I liked Winfield in Buffalo but he hasn't been amazing in Minny, I wouldn't give up a 1st rounder for him but a second I probably would.

That's news to me. Interesting though. I'm not sure if I would do it though. But Samuel, Winfield, and Ellis Hobbs would be a really good 3.

[255979119]

Winny is the best run stopping corner in the league...and a good cover man. But is he a better man or zone coverage guy?

[Don Vito]

Winny is the best run stopping corner in the league...and a good cover man. But is he a better man or zone coverage guy?

I always thought Winfield could reach Rhonde Barber status, maybe even higher, if he played in a tampa 2. He is a great run stopper with solid ball skills. He is great at jamming the receiver and he is very athletic as well so he is great in man coverage. We really never got to see him play a full time zone like tampa 2 but I think he could be an elite corner in that system.

[Don Vito]

Well some good news - Chad Jackson should be ready for the start of the season. Not sure how he'll fit in, but he'll probably be ready. This can only add to the chances of Troy Brown being gone in 2007.

He's gonna have competition with Moss, Stallworth, Welker, Gaffney, Caldwell, and Washington. I think he could be the #4 at best, but he could really see himself towards the bottom if he struggles early on.

[255979119]

Well some good news - Chad Jackson should be ready for the start of the season. Not sure how he'll fit in, but he'll probably be ready. This can only add to the chances of Troy Brown being gone in 2007.

He's gonna have competition with Moss, Stallworth, Welker, Gaffney, Caldwell, and Washington. I think he could be the #4 at best, but he could really see himself towards the bottom if he struggles early on.

I see us cutting Washington before the season starts(barring pre-season injury) but out of Gaffney and Caldwell who do you see us keeping.

[luckyjackaubrey]

Caldwell has never been cut before and Gaffney has a few times. That said , gaffney might be more willing to play some special teams. It would all have to play out on the practice fields of Foxborough this summer. My pick to keep based on last year would be Gaffney. The untimely drops and the look on Caldwell's face after them leads me to believe he might not be a "clutch" guy.

[255979119]

Caldwell has never been cut before and Gaffney has a few times. That said , gaffney might be more willing to play some special teams. It would all have to play out on the practice fields of Foxborough this summer. My pick to keep based on last year would be Gaffney. The untimely drops and the look on Caldwell's face after them leads me to believe he might not be a "clutch" guy.

Those cracker eyes bother me quite a bit.....

Plus that drop in the colts game....damn I lost the last drop of respect I had for him there.

[ElectricEye]

Well, if its the playoff Gaffney, Caldwell will be cut. I think they're pretty much even though right now. Although I must say....I still haven't forgiven Caldwell for what happened in the Colts game. Also, like luckyjackaubrey mentioned, Gaffney might make a better 4/5 since he's used to playing there.

[Jvig43]

I agree, caldwell did average during the mid season, even using that word might be a stretch, but he completely chocked in the playoffs, he had a few drops in the end zone during the sandiego game as well. Somehow, Gaffeny came out of nowhere in the playoffs, and looked like a beast, that grab in the endzone with both feet in during the colts game was one of my fav all time catches. Id go with Gaffney as of now

[ElectricEye]

wrong thread, lol.

[Hines]

hahahaha wow i didnt know that chad jacksons middle name was woolfegang

[alca1992]

hahahaha wow i didnt know that chad jacksons middle name was woolfegang

lol really

[Hines]

lol really

ya go look at the website and look

[alca1992]

lol your right thats pretty damn funny

[Jvig43]

http://www.patriots.com/news/index.cfm?ac=latestnewsdetail&pid=26477&pcid=44
...well glad to see things seem to be working out, this just makes me that much more excited for the season to start.

[alca1992]

well meriweather was signed to a 5 year deal

[Jvig43]

well meriweather was signed to a 5 year deal

thats great, now hopefully we can get asante to sign the tender, and seymour to get healthy, than well be all set. has anyone attended training camp, a friend of mine said he wanted to go one day, but im not sure how great they will be.

[luckyjackaubrey]

The globe reported chad scott being carted off the field yesterday with a knee injury that appeared serious. That may make Asante even more important.

[Jvig43]

Well what do we do in this situation, i mean we have enough back ups, but none are as proven as samuel, if we wanted to offer him more money we couldnt right because the date has already gone by for that, soo how would we go about that? oh and does anyone know why stallworth is out, like what injury has he sustained?

[Hines]

jabar gaffney is gonna start at wr beside moss

[remix 6]

jabar gaffney is gonna start at wr beside moss

with Chad-Donte out..i wouldnt be suprised. Welker is a slot WR. I dont like Kelly Washington ..drops too many balls. Caldwell hasnt done anything outstanding that we've heard of in first 2 days. I guess Gaffney is just better prepared and hes taking advantage

[Jvig43]

Well moss got injured at camp today, after hearing such great things i was getting excited, maybe his legs arent as good as i thought they were. THIS SUCKS.

[Jvig43]

hahaha Sports center just reported it wasnt very serious, Does anyone know why Stallworth is sittingout?

[Don Vito]

jabar gaffney is gonna start at wr beside moss

BB has been talking very highly of Gaffney and Caldwell, apparently both are miles ahead of where they were last year. The Herald wrote a good article on Gaffney/Cladwell today, apparently Gaffney has been one of Brady's top targets.

[Billingsley26]

Well moss got injured at camp today, after hearing such great things i was getting excited, maybe his legs arent as good as i thought they were. THIS SUCKS.

Not surprised at all. I actually read an article in the Boston Herald that said Moss is no different than he was in Oakland. His attitude hasnt changed. He still doesnt give 100% on the field and likes to go at this own pace. I cannot attest to anything because I didnt see any of their camp, however I am not surprised one bit to see this. I am not going to give Moss more than 40 catches this year. And I think that 40 could be a stretch. I want to see his reaction then. I just dont think hes a good fit. I dont like it.

[Jvig43]

Well hes back in full pads practicing so thats good, and from everything i hear, hes been a stud at camp. although that means nothing as of now. we'll just have to wait and see. im happy to hear that Gaffeny is doing great tho, i really thought the things he did for us during the playoffs were amazing, damn i cant wait for the season to start.

[luckyjackaubrey]

I have been and remain the most non-believing of the pats fans regarding this addition. I will not rehash my feelings on Moss. Suffice it to say I am not suprised that we are reading about Gaffney and welker and not Moss and Stallworth.

I am concerned about the lack of Jay's presence on these and other forums. Perhaps our fine comrade is among the wealthy and summering on the Cape sans laptop. Nonetheless I am quick to say I miss his insights as we ramp up the pennant race of Yawkey and dial up the gridiron for another go.

On that note, I am slowly roasting a leg of lamb as I pollish off a bottle of red or two and preparing to embark of a vacation melding my family with that of my lovely girlfriend at the Jersey SHore ( Remember, I am a reluctant transplant) .

Be good w/o me, I will be sans computer for a week. Following my sox via the tube and cellphone

Catch you all soon

[Billingsley26]

Well hes back in full pads practicing so thats good, and from everything i hear, hes been a stud at camp. although that means nothing as of now. we'll just have to wait and see. im happy to hear that Gaffeny is doing great tho, i really thought the things he did for us during the playoffs were amazing, damn i cant wait for the season to start.

I havent heard hes a stud, but like I said apparently all hes changed is the mothing off. He hasnt called anyone out yet, and hasnt made any bad remarks. But still the fact that he isnt running his hardest out there and working his a** off scares me. Like I said I dont think he will get more than 40 catches this year, and that ay still be a stretch.

I agree with Gaffney. He is the TYPICAL Patriot. I love it. His attitude and work ethic is great. I cant wait for this season to start. I have Bills seasons tickets, and I am a Bills fan as well as a Pats fan, but I alwys cheer for the Pats when they come to Buffalo. Actually last year I shook Bruschi's hand. After he got a fumble late in the game @Buffalo, I was i nthe 3rd row behind the bench, and he came back here, and I was yelling like a little girl, and he came over and shook my hand. I also shook Keith Bulluck's hand when they came the last game of the sseason. Cant wait for this season. Im expecting big things from both sides of the ball. OOOO MAN!

[Billingsley26]

I have been and remain the most non-believing of the pats fans regarding this addition. I will not rehash my feelings on Moss. Suffice it to say I am not suprised that we are reading about Gaffney and welker and not Moss and Stallworth.

I am concerned about the lack of Jay's presence on these and other forums. Perhaps our fine comrade is among the wealthy and summering on the Cape sans laptop. Nonetheless I am quick to say I miss his insights as we ramp up the pennant race of Yawkey and dial up the gridiron for another go.

On that note, I am slowly roasting a leg of lamb as I pollish off a bottle of red or two and preparing to embark of a vacation melding my family with that of my lovely girlfriend at the Jersey SHore ( Remember, I am a reluctant transplant) .

Be good w/o me, I will be sans computer for a week. Following my sox via the tube and cellphone

Catch you all soon


Trust me, man I am right behind you if not ahead of you in how you feel about Moss. I am not happy o bit. In fact I couldnt believe it at all. I almost felt like not cheering for them, but I couldnt do that.

Have yourself a nice time man, get ready for this season. Have a drink for me!!

[Jvig43]

I guess i just have high hopes for him, in belichick we trust, plus im a homer soo im going to think highly of any player on my team, but i agree with moss catching around 40 balls this season. that sounds about right, hell prolly end up sitting out a game or two with injuries.

[luckyjackaubrey]

Drunk, yes i am, and here is why I love BB.- we have to be the only team with 3 legit punters in camp and here the globe is jotting out that the pats are trying out Mitch Berger.

The man can light a fire under anyone's ass and still feel it doesn't burn bright enough.

I think Randy Moss is fine, but, MR Stallworth better tighten up his jock. He is the lead passenger on the next train out of Foxborough.

Bye Bye, gonna go show my girl what vaca begins and ends with.....
.... Ya'll shout " tip drill " real loud now.....

[255979119]

Now here I come being biased. MITCH BERGER FTW!!! I would love to see a B.C. boy on the Pats.

[Jvig43]

http://www.patriots.com/news/index.cfm?ac=latestnewsdetail&pid=26732&pcid=47

What do you guys think of this guy, i dont know too much about him, does anyone know what we gave up for him? im hoping that this helps put more pressure on samuel to start to play.

[255979119]

Just some special teams guy who adds depth to the secondary. Probably gave up a 6th rounder.

[Jvig43]

So how do you guys feel the game went last night, any players you thought looked good or improved, or any that you thoughtdidnt play as well as they should have? Kelly washington did better than i thought he would, i had really low expectations for him. I thought that our run defense could definetly get better, they were getting huge chunks of yards all night on us, and the pass defense wasnt much better. tho we didnt give up many points i suppose.

[luckyjackaubrey]

The Pat's preseason games are always so nondescipt. No one getting any more carries than anyone else. No young guy given a chance to stand out. They seem to make the practice work the spot to find a roster spot. It is as if they don't want any other team to spot a kid with talent that the Pats have no room for.

I don't worry much about giving up a ton on the ground. No Seymour, lots of young guys. Just keep wishing for no injuries and we will be in the hunt .

[Don Vito]

Well some of the young guys managed to stick out in a good way. Justin Rodgers, Brandon Meriweather, Matt Guttierez, and Chris Dunlap were all pretty impressive for rookies.

[megansett56BC]

i was really impressed with rogers and if he has more outings in the preseason like that, there's probably a place for him on this team.

i was also impressed with mike richardson as well, but not so much with the rookie o-linemen. elgin got knocked down a few times, and i saw hilliard get off the ball late a couple of times.

[255979119]

Our run D was awful against the Buc's, especially on the edges. I really hope we can fix that.

[Jvig43]

Yeah that pissed me off too, espically since vrabel was playing outside and thats where he is at his best. but i always thought our defense was differnt from other teams, we give up huge chunks of yards, but when they get into the red zone we force them to kick field goals instead of giving up 6. i wont read too much into it as this is only preseason, and Thomas is still getting comfortable at inside.

[alca1992]

im really likeing matt guiertez (spelling?)

[luckyjackaubrey]

Easy, don't stare at that lightbulb too long. It is a common exhibition sickness that afflicts many fans- 3rd string qb-itis. He won't sniff the roster , let alone the playing field. He will maybe make the practice squad but if Tom, Matt, and Vinny all die you would see Troy Brown at the helm before you ever saw Matt Guttierrez.

More importantly how about how sloppy the aformentioned #'s 1 and 2 have been so far.

[luckyjackaubrey]

Where the hell is Jay ?

[Jvig43]

I missed the game the other night, i saw the highlights, but anyone see anything positive or negative? i know Harrison had a nasty sack on vince. hopefully he stays with us for the season.

[255979119]

I missed the game the other night, i saw the highlights, but anyone see anything positive or negative? i know Harrison had a nasty sack on vince. hopefully he stays with us for the season.

Just caught him with his shoulder, didn't even bother to wrap.

[Jvig43]

so nfl.com and sports center are reporting that samuel is about to sign his tender anyday now, and most likely by half way next week. keep your fingers crossed.

[luckyjackaubrey]

It will be interesting to see how this holdout effects his performance. *** and others have had a good camp. He could very easily hurt himself trying to get on the field too soon or have some bad early performances and cost himself a ton of money on the next year deal.

As a fan of the team I hope he has a great year but I never see holdouts having anything but a negative effect.

[Jvig43]

Well espn reports hes been working pretty hard in Florida, where he trains evry year, but i agree, i was impressed with *** the last two games, and im sure the holdout has lost respect for him from his teammates. But im glad this seems to be coming to an end.

[Don Vito]

If Asante comes back and plays well then this team really doesn't have one big hole. Randall *** is a great player, who we have only been able to see on the field for 1 year. If he can stay healthy he will be a valuable nickel guy, with Tory James, Meriweather, Mike Richardson, and others behind him. Then we have FS Eugene Wilson and SS Harrison back with SS James Sanders, FS Artrell Hawkins, and FS/SS/CB Meriweather behind them. Again, we need all of these guys to stay healthy, which has been the main issue the last 4-5 years.

[Jvig43]

Artrell Hawkins actually got cut last week, but other than that i completly agree with you, but im still worried about our linebackers coverage over the middle, however our backups, while not big name players, i think can step up and fill in fine. most have been there for two to three years, being groomed by belichick, damn i cant wait for the reg season to start. my only other concern is Brady getting into rythm with his recievers.

[Don Vito]

Yes, ILB is our softest spot. Adailus Thomas has one spot locked down, but the other is going to be split probably between Bruschi and Seau who as we all know are over the hill. Eric Alexander is an athletic backup who could push for more time if he continues to improve. Corey Mays looks like purely a special teamer as of now. I would like to see Pierre Woods get some reps so Vrabel could get some time inside.

[Jvig43]

Well i was really impressed with the way they played tonight, everyone did well, Harrison still wowd me wiht his perfromance, and the back ups did a nice job as well, Lou with the interception was nice. Gostoscki tho needs to become more accurat, he has the leg, just needs to aim a little better.

[TimD]

even though im a jets fan i think this is a cool picture

http://www.projo.com/a/2007/1/0124/jets_sept.jpg

[Billingsley26]

even though im a jets fan i think this is a cool picture

http://www.projo.com/a/2007/1/0124/jets_sept.jpg

Thats the SWARM BABY!!! Every good team has this. All 11 guys to the ball. Thats why NE doesnt have any tackle leaders in the league. I love this pic.

[LonghornsLegend]

whats this i hear about chad jackson not making the team? makes no sense as he was a high rd pick, only played 1 yr and looked promising...

[luckyjackaubrey]

Caught in a numbers game right now. He will start season on PUP as he hasn't practiced or played yet this preseason. I doubt they will let him go as a good number of the signings this year have one year outs in the deals.

I wouldn't expect to see him this season. Probably get hidden on IR

[Jvig43]

Asante signed the one year tender, as expected by this week. but to be honest the way our secondary played against carolina, i think well be fine without the guy, Randall *** looked awesome, and Harrison is making those "ohhhh" hits again.

[255979119]

Does anyone else think Woods is showing a great leap in his progression. He looked quite good today.

[Don Vito]

Yea Woods has looked great this preseason and the end of last season. I think we will see him on the field quite a bit this year.

[alca1992]

whoo hooo!!!!! i just found out that there playing the pats-jets game here in atlanta which is good i think i could watch 8-10 games this year which will be nice

[Billingsley26]

Enter Brandon Merriweather!

I think hes capable of holding it down if he gets the start. I dont mind him filling in.

[alca1992]

oh i didnt even think of that we'll get to se him play for the next 4 games

[Jimmy]

Guys, just wondering in one of my now extremely rare appearences on this site:

how is Wes Welker going to do this year? What is his role? #1? #2?
What stats can I expect minimum, and what stats can i expect if things go the way they seem they will go?

[alca1992]

actually hes going to be the slot reciever(which would be #3) and since its tom brady his stats could be anywhere from 30-80 rec, 400-1000 yds, 3-15 tds. like i said when its tom passing he passes to anyone so who knows

[Billingsley26]

actually hes going to be the slot reciever(which would be #3) and since its tom brady his stats could be anywhere from 30-80 rec, 400-1000 yds, 3-15 tds. like i said when its tom passing he passes to anyone so who knows

He said it right there. I am thinking that Welker may actually be he leading WR when all is done. I like him in NE especailly the areas that Brady throws too.

[Jvig43]

Welker is def going to be up there for catches, he looks like he could become our new troy brown, i love the guy, think hell do great, and prolly should change my sig to something with him on it, cause well, things dont look too good for moss right now, im dissapointed.

[255979119]

I see Welker averaging 10-11 yards a catch on 60-70 balls. I cannot wait to see the guy opening day.

[Jvig43]

Does anyone know what injury Richard Seymour has sustained, i know hes had one, the pats just recently put him on PUP list, and has anyone heard any news on if/ when Samuel will play?

[bernbabybern820]

Does anyone know what injury Richard Seymour has sustained, i know hes had one, the pats just recently put him on PUP list, and has anyone heard any news on if/ when Samuel will play?

He is still recovering from knee surgery from the summer.

[Don Vito]

Caldwell's gone, Asante and Moss practiced but their status is up in the air for the opener.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3002826

[Jvig43]

i dont know too many people that are all that sad to see him go. nfl.com reported the team needed to make room on the roster for Samuel, is that true, or have they already made one for him?

[255979119]

The man that ruined the playoffs for me is now gone. This is cause for a celebration. Also, there is no way Asante won't be playing. I see Moss' decision being made before the weekend.

[Don Vito]

A few weeks ago BB said Reche has made huge strides and said he was fighting for a starting spot. Typical BB I guess.

[Jvig43]

Anyone think Moss and Samuel will play this week, i doubt Samuel will, but wouldnt be surprised to see moss suit up and play, also dont know if anyone read this yet, but brady had to sit out of some of thursdays practice because of his shoulder. not sure if this is just so bellichick can put as qusetionable every week or not, like in the past, i guess we'll see tho. any thoughts?

[luckyjackaubrey]

The Brady thing is a running joke. Him sitting out as the new injury reporting system now goes, is merely him "managing the amount he throws ". He is giving some of the reps to Cassel to keep his arm fresh. I would expect to see one day a week where they do this.

Moss is not even listed on the injury report. He will see action. Not as much as he cares to, as I bet BB is less than happy that Randy was able to avoid all the preseason work. But he is healthy and he is a threat only when on the field. He will play.

Asante is healthy and getting acclimated. I see no reason he will not play as well. He may not have the lungs and legs to go 4 quarters and the boys played well w/o him so they deserve some PT as well.

I can't wait to see them kicking some Jet behinds on Sunday.

[yodapoop]

Is Randy playing?

[alca1992]

Is Randy playing?

yes sir he is

[yodapoop]

yes sir he is

Thank u sir, that is great news, he is on my fantasy team.

[DHVF]

Anyone interested in this Maroney sig?

http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f92/brad_663/Maroneycopy.png

[alca1992]

Anyone interested in this Maroney sig?

http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f92/brad_663/Maroneycopy.png

really nice but i just got my sig

[Don Vito]

Well Randy Moss looks to be back

[alca1992]

randy moss and welker looked great tom brady is going to gret this year

[Jvig43]

Im glad Brady did well, its amazing to see him finally put up big numbers now that he has recievers, hopefully we can get this consistantly throughout the season, 147 qb rating, hows that for an opener peyton?

[hcbrad08]

my mom could QB for the pats...Brady had a year and a half to throw on every play...Official Stat: Pressure on Tom Brady....Sacked:0 Knocked Down:0 Hurried:1...You could put Tim Couch under center and he'd have over a 130 QB rating

[luckyjackaubrey]

my mom could QB for the pats...Brady had a year and a half to throw on every play...Official Stat: Pressure on Tom Brady....Sacked:0 Knocked Down:0 Hurried:1...You could put Tim Couch under center and he'd have over a 130 QB rating

If your Mom is that good you should get her the gig under center for the Jets. Chad Pennington had the arm of a middle aged woman. HMM.... maybe your mom already has the job.

[Jvig43]

my mom could QB for the pats...Brady had a year and a half to throw on every play...Official Stat: Pressure on Tom Brady....Sacked:0 Knocked Down:0 Hurried:1...You could put Tim Couch under center and he'd have over a 130 QB rating

Well if that really annoyed you that much, dont come on these boards anymore, otherwise get used to reading it pal, cause brady finally has recievers.

[Billingsley26]

If your Mom is that good you should get her the gig under center for the Jets. Chad Pennington had the arm of a middle aged woman. HMM.... maybe your mom already has the job.

Im just as big a Pats fan as anyone on this board, and I wouldnt talk **** about Chad Pennington. I dont care about his arm strength, he is a solid QB, and played pretty well until he got injured. Even last year, the arm strength didnt stop him from beating us once and possibly twice. I wouldnt take smack about him.

[Don Vito]

Im just as big a Pats fan as anyone on this board, and I wouldnt talk **** about Chad Pennington. I dont care about his arm strength, he is a solid QB, and played pretty well until he got injured. Even last year, the arm strength didnt stop him from beating us once and possibly twice. I wouldnt take smack about him.

When your home fans cheer louder then they have all game when Pennington gets hurt, that is probably a strong indicator of Chad's performance level these days.

[joercky]

I hate yall so bad espacially now. You stole Moss and Welker and the Super Bowl from the Panthers on Kasey's bad kick. You b@stards.

[Prime Time]

CHEATERSSSSSSSSSSSSS hahahahahahahahahahahahaahahahah caught up

[Don Vito]

It's almost as funny as being a dog **** overrated team that loses to the Cardinals...

[SuperKevin]

I seriously hate the Patriots and hope they are punished but I'm not going to go and flame the Pats board like that guy did. All I have to say is hopefully it wasn't something that the whole organization was aware of

[alca1992]

how much do you think we get for this cheating thing

[hcbrad08]

A LOT... There are also acusations of the Pats ahcking and stealing the Jets audio signals...Like Schlereth said imagine knowing exactly where things are going and how its going to happen...Its like screen watching in Madden when youre playing your friends and looking at what play they run before you select your Defense...There has been talk (This morning on Mike and Mike with Mortenson) that Goodell may even suspend Belichick bc hes accountable for the cheating.

On Chad Pennington VITO...The fans cheering when pennington went out was awful but its not indicative of his play....Its indicative of how fed up many people are with how unlucky he and the team is bc he gets injured mostly freakishly...I DONOT THINK THEY SHOULD HAVE CHEERED AT ALL...But Pennington had a 130+ QB rating against the pats and ran a no huddle offense for a majority of the game so Im pretty sure HIS PLAY was fine...Not all of us can steal signals and plays and have an unfair competetive advantage. Is Pennington the best? NO! Is Pennington is underrated? yes, he helps the jets win a lot and I was going to say is a similar QB to Brady but not as good but that's in question now bc this pandoras box has been opened as to how many times brady and the pats have cheated and kept brady clean...Hes always had good protection soo could this cheating be part of his success...Perhaps and thats why YOU'RE SUSPECT! also Pennington has a higher career QB rating than Brady and he's never been implicated in steroid rings and exonerated (Blaco with Brady) or in NFL ESPIONAGE...so explain to me without using Brady won 3 superbowls (bc if you put tom brady out there 1 on 11 he cant win by himself hes always had a good coach OL and defense) how this doesnt affect his legacy or how when you juxtapose him with Pennington how he's MILES BETTER.

There's a seed of doubt now and all it can do is grow. Think about it*

[Jvig43]

ok the pats shouldnt have video taped the jets signs, but trying to gain an edge in football is part of the game. i play football, and everytime a team screams out something, our coaches pay close attention, then at half time they tell us the interprutation of what each call stands for, ex the team screams black 43, its a sweep to the right. video taping was a stupid idea, but every other team tries to steal signals, they just havent gotten caught yet, and of corse since its the pats, this is going to be a huge deal, i mean would anyone care if the browns were caught doing this on sunday. oh and to prime time, you are a huge **** whose team can barely even get by the cardinals, we might have cheated, but your team sucks.

[Prime Time]

Screaming signs out doesn't compare to what the pats are doing lol but its all good, and I love how you say the 49ers are overrated when no one even talks about them. But hey good luck with the whole cheating thing; Maybe if you win another superbowl by more than a field goal you can be considered a dynasty.

[Jvig43]

Man this sucks, i was looking foward to the pats chargers game real bad, i thought it would give a good sign as tyo whether we are super bowl bound, but now the whole cheating thing has completely over shadowed it, and i feel if we lose people will say, see you cant win unless you cheat, while if we win, theyll still call us cheaters. i really hope we stick it to them tho, Lt is still whinning like a little baby, how he said our modo is "if your not cheating your not trying" is bs.

[devinhester=R.O.Y 2006]

Just remember that LT was held in check against Chicago, and I see the Pats defense being as equal or better than the Bears defense. Just hit LT and hit him hard and you will be fine! Go Pats

[Jvig43]

yeah i noticed that too last week, plus hes being a *** and still trying to say anything bad about the organization he can cause we knocked him out of the playoffs last year, its really starting to piss me off, i think i hate that team more then the colts as of now. that SNL video of manning is hilarious.

[Don Vito]

Well we lost our 1st rounder, assuming we make the playoffs. if we dont make them we lose our 2nd and third. plus BB got fined a lot.

****

[Billingsley26]

You know I still dont really care about this. First off Im prety sure everyone does this, but at the same time, It was New England who got caught so.... But Im a beleiver in the fact that I can tell you what Im going to run, you have to stop me. Maybe its because I have that old school mentality, but I could give the my playbook, because in the end it is the one who executes better who will win the game, bottom line.

[luckyjackaubrey]

I have remained silent while this played out because I was not sure how I felt. I knew I did not want to enter into any of the venomous wars I have read on this site over that time.

This hurts. I have followed this team since 1976. I have supported the Pats through some horrible periods and enjoyed some good times as well. One of the biggest reasons I was so endeared to this regime was the image they portrayed, built, preached. They were the everyman team. A hard hat bunch that did not need prima dona type stars. If we had stars they were home grown and longshot type draft picks that made it to the top through huge amounts of character over all else. We were the team that would out work you, out prepare you and possessed the one key ingredient to tie the whole thing together - the best coach in the game - ever.

I have been fairly vocal on my reservations regarding the Randy Moss signing. My argument was often called in to question, but I liked the old underdog Patriots. I would prefer to win how we did before, not with a team speckled with prime examples of what's wrong with today's athelete. But times change, we can't have the perfect scenario last forever. That is what makes the good times so memorable. I can live with Randy Moss, even though while I see him trying so hard to toe the line I can still hear the person I loathe bubbling just under the surface.

The latest incident is just such a blow to all this "dynasty" has become that I really have not gotten my head clearly around just how I feel. I will say this. If I hear another poster say that "every team does it" I will lose all respect for said poster. No other team is on trial here. Let's stick to that fact. How can any of us as Pats fans continue to swallow this cool-aid ? This tears apart the entire journey. You can't tell me any of you / us have not referenced the genious of BB or the class organization the Pats are , at some point on this or other sites ?

I am a bit different from many of you in that I Pre- date modern free agency in pro sports. I have not lived in NE for over 14 years and My sports teams have and always will be the Sox, Pats , Bruins and Celtics , Revolution, Umass, BC. IF they suck, I am there. IF they win I am there. I am loyal. I have these teams and the sports they play as an integral part of my life and who I am. I am by know means a casual fan. Sports can and has taught many of us a great deal about how to grow up, be a decent person, challenge ourselves to be more.

That team, that 2001-2006 group, its results , its message was a powerful part of my life, and many others. I held that team and its accomplishments up to my children as the epitome of what is great about sports and the human condition. How to strive, take the high road and you will be rewarded. I would show my girls the TO's of the world, and hold them up to the Patriots and be able to say - "that is your role model ".

No longer. I love that team as much if not more than most of you. I loved watching them when Dick M couldn't win, when Grogan was chucking to Vataha. I still will watch. But it will be much less than it used to be. My oldest daughter tossed her shirt in the trash. She had been taught so many good lessons by this team ( coach) she was blind-sided by this most harsh one.

I enjoyed the run, but how can you now not admit to the same doubts that every rival fan is shouting , and will forever, regarding all those past accomplishments ?

I feel terrible for Brown , Tedy, Vrabel, et al. I am sick to think that TOm Brady, who for as much as I "know "him being limited to what I read, see on tv etc, is an outstanding human being, will have an other wise outstanding career forever tainted by this.

I don't think BB or any casual fan quite gets it. It was much easier admitting to supporting Tommy Hodson as my quarterback than it is now to say BB coaches my team.

[bored of education]

Interesting Read.

Go Minutemen!

[Don Vito]

I didn't post this in the NFL thread because I probably would get reamed (and it most likely isn't true), but I saw a thing on an ACC message board saying that this guy was filming the Pats sideline for most of the game, and he has been identified as a Jets employee. Probably BS but we'll see what happens

http://img465.imageshack.us/img465/4790/mysteryjetvideoguybx6.jpg

[devinhester=R.O.Y 2006]

Does losing the pick really hurt that bad, since the Pats still have the 49ers 1st Rounder which in all likely hood will be much higher than ours would have been anyway?

[Billingsley26]

I have remained silent while this played out because I was not sure how I felt. I knew I did not want to enter into any of the venomous wars I have read on this site over that time.

This hurts. I have followed this team since 1976. I have supported the Pats through some horrible periods and enjoyed some good times as well. One of the biggest reasons I was so endeared to this regime was the image they portrayed, built, preached. They were the everyman team. A hard hat bunch that did not need prima dona type stars. If we had stars they were home grown and longshot type draft picks that made it to the top through huge amounts of character over all else. We were the team that would out work you, out prepare you and possessed the one key ingredient to tie the whole thing together - the best coach in the game - ever.

I have been fairly vocal on my reservations regarding the Randy Moss signing. My argument was often called in to question, but I liked the old underdog Patriots. I would prefer to win how we did before, not with a team speckled with prime examples of what's wrong with today's athelete. But times change, we can't have the perfect scenario last forever. That is what makes the good times so memorable. I can live with Randy Moss, even though while I see him trying so hard to toe the line I can still hear the person I loathe bubbling just under the surface.

The latest incident is just such a blow to all this "dynasty" has become that I really have not gotten my head clearly around just how I feel. I will say this. If I hear another poster say that "every team does it" I will lose all respect for said poster. No other team is on trial here. Let's stick to that fact. How can any of us as Pats fans continue to swallow this cool-aid ? This tears apart the entire journey. You can't tell me any of you / us have not referenced the genious of BB or the class organization the Pats are , at some point on this or other sites ?

I am a bit different from many of you in that I Pre- date modern free agency in pro sports. I have not lived in NE for over 14 years and My sports teams have and always will be the Sox, Pats , Bruins and Celtics , Revolution, Umass, BC. IF they suck, I am there. IF they win I am there. I am loyal. I have these teams and the sports they play as an integral part of my life and who I am. I am by know means a casual fan. Sports can and has taught many of us a great deal about how to grow up, be a decent person, challenge ourselves to be more.

That team, that 2001-2006 group, its results , its message was a powerful part of my life, and many others. I held that team and its accomplishments up to my children as the epitome of what is great about sports and the human condition. How to strive, take the high road and you will be rewarded. I would show my girls the TO's of the world, and hold them up to the Patriots and be able to say - "that is your role model ".

No longer. I love that team as much if not more than most of you. I loved watching them when Dick M couldn't win, when Grogan was chucking to Vataha. I still will watch. But it will be much less than it used to be. My oldest daughter tossed her shirt in the trash. She had been taught so many good lessons by this team ( coach) she was blind-sided by this most harsh one.

I enjoyed the run, but how can you now not admit to the same doubts that every rival fan is shouting , and will forever, regarding all those past accomplishments ?

I feel terrible for Brown , Tedy, Vrabel, et al. I am sick to think that TOm Brady, who for as much as I "know "him being limited to what I read, see on tv etc, is an outstanding human being, will have an other wise outstanding career forever tainted by this.

I don't think BB or any casual fan quite gets it. It was much easier admitting to supporting Tommy Hodson as my quarterback than it is now to say BB coaches my team.

I understand what you are saying. And, I, for the mostpart, have done exctly what you are saying as well. I have tried to model my life, my teams and my peers with the TEAM first mentality. I am the biggest beleiver on in the world, and I know I have said it before, and I will say it agian. Its not the best talent that wins, its the best people that win. I have said it in the NFL forum, this forum and the Bills forum. I will not stop. Like I said before New England had no right going to the AFC finals last year let alone beating San Diego on the road.

But to say I have given on this team, and I feel down on them is wrong. This is the game of football. A game that i very basic yet very complex at the same time. A game in which the final outcome is based on who executes better. I have been watching this team very closesly for the past 7 years or so and have seen how well they execute, and do the little things well. Those little things are the ones that set them above.

Maybe its just me, but I will not look down on the Patriots for this. When I think of New England, I dont think of Bill Belichek, I think of Tom Brady making it the AFC finals with 2 #3 WR's as his starters, I think of Tedy Bruschi coming back 6 months after suffering a stroke. I think of Troy Brown taking a pay cut and playing on O, D, and ST just to win a championship. Those are what the Patriots are.

Like I said before, I dont doubt that anyone else is doing the same exact thing, and Im sorry of you took it as an excuse, becuse I through in there that it was the PAtriots who got caught. Not the Bills, not the Steelers, not the Vikings. The Patriots. Bottom line. They cheated, they got caught, and they wil pay the price.

I will not look down on this team. I will keep the same pride for the team that I always had. I admire all the work they have done, and there isnt a player on the team who im not happy with (exit Randy Moss). I will move on from this incident right now, and put it behind me.

I will put it behind me because of what I beleive the game of football is. Football is all about execution. You can know exactly what the other team is running. But the bottom line is, if they execute better than you, they will win. Watching film on a team; you know exactly what formations they line up in, where they will, what routes they will run, where they QB will look first, and the blocking schemes. It is not a secret as to what each team runs and how they run it. You need to stop them to win, and that goes a little beyond the coaching. That is where the heart comes into play. The pride and the confidence. That is all the Patriots need to win. Im still believeing tha tthe Pats won with team chemistry, heart and the will to win. I will not stop loving this team, and continute to support them this week against the Chargers.

Lets go Pats!!!!

[Jvig43]

Does losing the pick really hurt that bad, since the Pats still have the 49ers 1st Rounder which in all likely hood will be much higher than ours would have been anyway?
I said the same thing, but it would have really helped to have that other draft pick we could have covered two positions that we needed help in in one year, such as linebacker since in all likely hood bruschi and seau are leaving, and maybe the other one O-line? anyway i agree it dosent have too much of an effect, but it would have been nice to have it. and i cant wait for sundays game on an off note
NE-24 SD-13

[Prime Time]

I have remained silent while this played out because I was not sure how I felt. I knew I did not want to enter into any of the venomous wars I have read on this site over that time.

This hurts. I have followed this team since 1976. I have supported the Pats through some horrible periods and enjoyed some good times as well. One of the biggest reasons I was so endeared to this regime was the image they portrayed, built, preached. They were the everyman team. A hard hat bunch that did not need prima dona type stars. If we had stars they were home grown and longshot type draft picks that made it to the top through huge amounts of character over all else. We were the team that would out work you, out prepare you and possessed the one key ingredient to tie the whole thing together - the best coach in the game - ever.

I have been fairly vocal on my reservations regarding the Randy Moss signing. My argument was often called in to question, but I liked the old underdog Patriots. I would prefer to win how we did before, not with a team speckled with prime examples of what's wrong with today's athelete. But times change, we can't have the perfect scenario last forever. That is what makes the good times so memorable. I can live with Randy Moss, even though while I see him trying so hard to toe the line I can still hear the person I loathe bubbling just under the surface.

The latest incident is just such a blow to all this "dynasty" has become that I really have not gotten my head clearly around just how I feel. I will say this. If I hear another poster say that "every team does it" I will lose all respect for said poster. No other team is on trial here. Let's stick to that fact. How can any of us as Pats fans continue to swallow this cool-aid ? This tears apart the entire journey. You can't tell me any of you / us have not referenced the genious of BB or the class organization the Pats are , at some point on this or other sites ?

I am a bit different from many of you in that I Pre- date modern free agency in pro sports. I have not lived in NE for over 14 years and My sports teams have and always will be the Sox, Pats , Bruins and Celtics , Revolution, Umass, BC. IF they suck, I am there. IF they win I am there. I am loyal. I have these teams and the sports they play as an integral part of my life and who I am. I am by know means a casual fan. Sports can and has taught many of us a great deal about how to grow up, be a decent person, challenge ourselves to be more.

That team, that 2001-2006 group, its results , its message was a powerful part of my life, and many others. I held that team and its accomplishments up to my children as the epitome of what is great about sports and the human condition. How to strive, take the high road and you will be rewarded. I would show my girls the TO's of the world, and hold them up to the Patriots and be able to say - "that is your role model ".

No longer. I love that team as much if not more than most of you. I loved watching them when Dick M couldn't win, when Grogan was chucking to Vataha. I still will watch. But it will be much less than it used to be. My oldest daughter tossed her shirt in the trash. She had been taught so many good lessons by this team ( coach) she was blind-sided by this most harsh one.

I enjoyed the run, but how can you now not admit to the same doubts that every rival fan is shouting , and will forever, regarding all those past accomplishments ?

I feel terrible for Brown , Tedy, Vrabel, et al. I am sick to think that TOm Brady, who for as much as I "know "him being limited to what I read, see on tv etc, is an outstanding human being, will have an other wise outstanding career forever tainted by this.

I don't think BB or any casual fan quite gets it. It was much easier admitting to supporting Tommy Hodson as my quarterback than it is now to say BB coaches my team.



Bro, thats the perfect example. This is exactly what I meant. I don't want it to sound like im talking **** but this will ruin everything u gained from 3 - 4 years ago. As a 49ers fan I had a lot of respect for your organization and what not but this is pretty low. I have lost all my respect towards BB.

[Jvig43]

ok, that felt good. After a week straight of listening to everyone talk so much **** about us, and LT running his mouth, i feel so much better hammering those guys. granted its one game so im not gonna get ahead of myself here, but that was a great statement.

[JK17]

Congratulations, you guys came out much faster, better, stronger, and more motivated then we did all game combined. You clearly deserved the win, and deserved the score as well. God that was an awful game.

[255979119]

Congratulations, you guys came out much faster, better, stronger, and more motivated then we did all game combined. You clearly deserved the win, and deserved the score as well. God that was an awful game.

Thanks for being man enough to congradulate us on winning, takes balls.

And for the Pats fans, how bout that for a vicious beating eh. :D

[Jvig43]

Congratulations, you guys came out much faster, better, stronger, and more motivated then we did all game combined. You clearly deserved the win, and deserved the score as well. God that was an awful game.
+ rep for you man, thanks alot, it will be much closer when we see you in January, onto another note, Brady is amazing, i love when you give him weapons, he produces Manning stats, i really hope he has a career year on the way to the hopefully a superbowl, he deserves it.

[255979119]

+ rep for you man, thanks alot, it will be much closer when we see you in January, onto another note, Brady is amazing, i love when you give him weapons, he produces Manning stats, i really hope he has a career year on the way to the hopefully a superbowl, he deserves it.

He had one bad throw in the game though, but it still hit Moss fairly well. Plus, it was at the end of the first half so it was not a big deal.

[Jvig43]

Its hard to imagine that we just blew out a top 5 team in the nfl, and our defense kept the mvp with an explosive offense to a measly 14 points...without roddney and seymour. If teams are afraid of us now, wait until week 6 when both are back.

[Jvig43]

we started slow today, but in the end it didnt really matter, brady 150.9 rating, i love watching what he can do with great recievers.

[Hines]

i am officially scared of you guys now..when we play you, please dont beat us that bad...it will be hard to cover moss and rush brady..good luck the rest of the way

oh and btw i have yall in the super bowl this year

[BroadwayJoe10]

so i gotta say god damn! watching brady and moss is like watchin pickup football, people aren't suppose to complete 90% of their passes or whatever it is in the nfl. this is the best team in football right now and as much as i dont wanna play u guys i look forward to when ya play the jets, becuase whats football without some rivalry.
And the main reason i came on, was to say i'll bet 10 bucks Moss is on those commercials at the end of the season sayin somethin like: "that randy moss hes no good, hes gonna be nothin but a headache for the patriots."

[yodapoop]

The Pats are going undebeatable.

[Borat]

I can't believe people are claiming Wilfork intentionally went for Losman's knee. Looked to me like he got blocked, almost tackled into Losman.

[255979119]

I can't believe people are claiming Wilfork intentionally went for Losman's knee. Looked to me like he got blocked, almost tackled into Losman.

I think he was blocked to the ground but if you see how he stuck out his elbow to get a late shot in it is understandable why it was called. I was suprised a fine was not given.

[Billingsley26]

I can't believe people are claiming Wilfork intentionally went for Losman's knee. Looked to me like he got blocked, almost tackled into Losman.

You cant see it? I can claerly see it. I am both a Bills fan and a Pats fan, and it looks almost evident that Wilfork reached his body over to hit Losman. He was hit to the ground, but when your hit you dont throw your arms in another direction and drop your helmet.

[Jvig43]

I can't believe people are claiming Wilfork intentionally went for Losman's knee. Looked to me like he got blocked, almost tackled into Losman.

i gotta say, as a pats fan im used to this sorta thing. people will say anything to kknock the pats. i saw the play, and it looked supicous, but the only person who knows if it was intentional or not is wilfork. On another note, this cinci game kinda has me worried.

[luckyjackaubrey]

That is how I felt going in there last year and we kicked their collective butts. That "team" has a few great offensive weapons at skill spots and solid bookend tackles but the defense is shoddy and the history of never getting over the hump in big games like this hangs in the air over their stadium like one of our fellow Patriot fans porno farts.

Pats win.

[Jvig43]

Well i felt this way against the chargers too and look what happened, i guess im just a catious fan, but this is a game i wish Harrison were playing, however Sanders has been pretty doing pretty well.

[Jvig43]

Maroney is out tonight? wtf? was anyone aware of why or how? haha but like it really mattered tonight, i hope hes ok, im a huge fan of the kid, and love watching him play, but sammy morris did excellent tonight.

[Bigburt63]

The thing that has looked most impressive about this offense, at least to me, has been the offensive line. through all 4 games brady has had (for the most part) more than enough time to stand and deliver the football. also, the running game has been very effective, particularly at the end of the game to run down the clock.

[LonghornsLegend]

you guys defense is what ive loved watching the most, its been a pleasant surprise with seymour out, scary how good you guys can really get in the latter of the year...should be fun when you guys come to Dallas, I want to see Samuel locked up with TO, he did a very nice job on CJ

[Jvig43]

Our defense has done an excellent job so far, and funny thing is we get Roddeny back this week, and then after we play dallas, we hopefully get richard seymour back. Its scary to think how much better it can get.

[Jvig43]

Anyone think Rodney will start this week, i think he will cause bb started asante, and i consider Rodney to be a much better player. however i could see Rodney just switching in plays for the first game back. anyone elses thoughts?

[Jvig43]

Any thoughts on the dallas game?

[255979119]

Hey boys, how has everyone been? Been gone for obvious reasons the last few weeks, ban finally has worn out and I am back!!

But anyways back to the Dallas game. Their secondary is liable to give up a big play (multiple at that) in every game if there pass rush does not cause a lot of trouble. Luckily Tom has been getting fantastic protection this year and we will hopefully be able to put a tackle and an end on Ware to ensure he does not get to Brady. The key to this game is our offense. I doubt Dallas will be able to keep up with our scoring, especially after such an emotional victory the previous week.

The worst part of the game next week, I will be working!!! First time in at least 4 years that I have missed a Patriots game, I am crushed but also glad that I have TiVo.


It is good to be back fellow Pats fans. Superbowl 42 champions!!!