New England Patriots Discussion

[AntoinCD]

Lol just found out that Darius Butler has exactly the same birthday as me. 18th March 1986. He's now my favourite player

[FlyingElvis]

Ha! That's pretty cool.

[Jvig43]

http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d818d1856&template=with-video-with-comments&confirm=true

I cant help but feel like Mankins is just being a dick after reading this.

To avoid the double post, with all the speculation in washington over haynesworth being traded or having to redo his contract, anyone think picking him up could generate a better pass rush by like ten time compared to last year haha. I figure its highly unlikely, doesnt seem like a BB type of guy, but when the dude shows up hes a beast.

[FlyingElvis]

Unless I'm missing something drastic, I have to agree that Mankins appears to be acting like a total douchenozzle.

The Globe reported that the Patriots also offered a five-year contract at about $7 million per year. The Boston Herald reported that the deal was worth more than $7 million per year."

Even if we assume it wasn't structured well we can still agree that it is a high value contract that should make it clear he's being considered a top OG in the league.

"I was asked to play '09 out, and that they would address the contract during the uncapped year. I'm a team player, I took them at their word, and I felt I played out an undervalued contract," Mankins told ESPN Boston.

"Right now, this is about principle with me and keeping your word and how you treat people. This is what I thought the foundation of the Patriots was built on. Apparently, I was wrong. Growing up, I was taught a man's word is his bond. Obviously this isn't the case with the Patriots."

This is the part that really pisses me off. He's basically saying the Patriots didn't keep their word because they asked him to play out the 09 and wait until now for an offer.

They made him an offer that appears to be on par with the top OGs in the league. I just don't get it. I would punch this guy right in his ignorant grill if I weren't concerned that he would crush me like a bug for it.

Hey Logan - WHAT THE **** ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT??? The organization, Mr. Kraft, and anyone else in the Patriots franchise is keeping their word. They told you they would offer you a contract after the 09 season and they have. You, sir, a either mentally challenged or just flat out dishonest.

[AntoinCD]

Unless I'm missing something drastic, I have to agree that Mankins appears to be acting like a total douchenozzle.



Even if we assume it wasn't structured well we can still agree that it is a high value contract that should make it clear he's being considered a top OG in the league.



This is the part that really pisses me off. He's basically saying the Patriots didn't keep their word because they asked him to play out the 09 and wait until now for an offer.

They made him an offer that appears to be on par with the top OGs in the league. I just don't get it. I would punch this guy right in his ignorant grill if I weren't concerned that he would crush me like a bug for it.

Hey Logan - WHAT THE **** ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT??? The organization, Mr. Kraft, and anyone else in the Patriots franchise is keeping their word. They told you they would offer you a contract after the 09 season and they have. You, sir, a either mentally challenged or just flat out dishonest.

Hey if you want I can come over and help you. I'm about 5'8 160lbs. I reckon together we could take him

[Razor]

Ha! I'm in as well. 6'2" 210 lbs, that should help you guys. Except, Mankins would eat us all alive.

[FlyingElvis]

http://www.ghostofaflea.com/archives/ItsOnNowChapsL.jpg

[Ravens1991]

Hey does anyone have a link about that story that for Tom Bradys 1st day at Mini Camp he went around telling everyone he was the best move the Patriots have ever made. I remember hearing it a while back I was wondering if anyone could explain it. I love that story, I really dont think he would be where he is today if he didnt have that kind of confidence.

[RealityCheck]

Let's trade Mankins for a 2nd rounder, then we trade our 2 first rounders and 3 second rounders for #1 overall and take Robert Quinn. Who's with me?

[fontes]

Let's trade Mankins for a 2nd rounder, then we trade our 2 first rounders and 3 second rounders for #1 overall and take Robert Quinn. Who's with me?

THe pats will already have the number 1

[RealityCheck]

THe pats will already have the number 1
Oakland won't finish with the worst record.

Wait, what if they do?

[Jvig43]

Oakland won't finish with the worst record.

Wait, what if they do?

Well trade back, no way were gonna throw that kind of money away unless BB is 1000% sure hell be a future HoF and retire a patriot.

[RealityCheck]

If we have the #1 pick, I think we'll trade down a few spots to save money and still get a elite player.

[Razor]

Hey does anyone have a link about that story that for Tom Bradys 1st day at Mini Camp he went around telling everyone he was the best move the Patriots have ever made. I remember hearing it a while back I was wondering if anyone could explain it. I love that story, I really dont think he would be where he is today if he didnt have that kind of confidence.

Iirc it was the very first time he met Robert Kraft face to face. Mr. Kraft even called him Kyle Brady... :) Then he said that to mr. Kraft, and the rest is history. Not much to it though, it's just the way Tom Brady is. Confident without being (too) cocky.

[AntoinCD]

If we have the #1 pick, I think we'll trade down a few spots to save money and still get a elite player.

I think if they have the number 1 pick, unless someone falls in love with one of the QBs they'll have to use it. And i'd imagine they'd take one of the WRs or one of the 5 techs unless they feel Quinn can play standing up.

[nepg]

http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d818d1856&template=with-video-with-comments&confirm=true

I cant help but feel like Mankins is just being a dick after reading this.

To avoid the double post, with all the speculation in washington over haynesworth being traded or having to redo his contract, anyone think picking him up could generate a better pass rush by like ten time compared to last year haha. I figure its highly unlikely, doesnt seem like a BB type of guy, but when the dude shows up hes a beast.

Why would Haynesworth go the Patriots if he's being a 'tard about playing in a 3-4 for Washington?

[Don Vito]

He may want to be a 4-3 guy and it may be his best fit, but he would be an absolute monster in our defense. I'd love to see him here with a positive attitude, but neither of those will happen

[nepg]

He'd be a monster in Washington's defense, too. The guy is a moron. Wouldn't be surprised if he's sued and lose that contract.

[Jvig43]

He'd be a monster in Washington's defense, too. The guy is a moron. Wouldn't be surprised if he's sued and lose that contract.

We played a lot more 4 fronts last year the we normally did, and with as many packages as BB has up his sleeves who knows, just trying to get some other Pats fans thoughts on it, its the offseason for god sake.

[Matthew Jones]

I've been taking a break from NFLDC for a while to get my college stuff in order and to enjoy the NBA Finals/World Cup/a little bit of the MLB season, but I've been astonished by the level of stupidity Logan Mankins has shown in his negotiations. When I heard he turned down a deal worth a reported $30-35 million over five years, I was very surprised, because that's about in line with what he's worth. I know a lot of guards get 7-$49 or so, but that's really the same amount per year and most players aren't going to be on the team long enough to collect the extra $14 million or so anyways. If Mankins is to play this year (or sit the year out, whichever), he's going to leave a whole lot of money on the table.

Honestly at this point, I think it's a better idea to just trade the guy. Call me old fashioned, but I don't think interior offensive linemen should be paid nearly as much as they are, mostly because the offensive line is supposed to be a cohesive unit and as long as you have solid guys all around you should be okay. I also like the idea of trying Nick Kaczur out at left guard, where I think his lack of speed would be masked. Remember, Kaczur may not have been an outstanding tackle towards the end, but I think we all know tackle is a much more difficult position to play than guard. Plus, who's saying even Mankins would have worked out as a tackle? New England drafted him in the first round after he played tackle at Fresno State and didn't feel like he was good enough to stick there - plus if he got slaughtered by Justin Tuck in close quarters during the Super Bowl, I think it's safe to assume he would have been manhandled much worse if he was trying to defend him in space.

If the Patriots can get a fairly early second-round pick for Mankins, I think that would be a nice value. There are plenty of good guard prospects that go in the second round every year and an early second-round pick would probably be enough to secure one of them.

[AntoinCD]

I've been taking a break from NFLDC for a while to get my college stuff in order and to enjoy the NBA Finals/World Cup/a little bit of the MLB season, but I've been astonished by the level of stupidity Logan Mankins has shown in his negotiations. When I heard he turned down a deal worth a reported $30-35 million over five years, I was very surprised, because that's about in line with what he's worth. I know a lot of guards get 7-$49 or so, but that's really the same amount per year and most players aren't going to be on the team long enough to collect the extra $14 million or so anyways. If Mankins is to play this year (or sit the year out, whichever), he's going to leave a whole lot of money on the table.

Honestly at this point, I think it's a better idea to just trade the guy. Call me old fashioned, but I don't think interior offensive linemen should be paid nearly as much as they are, mostly because the offensive line is supposed to be a cohesive unit and as long as you have solid guys all around you should be okay. I also like the idea of trying Nick Kaczur out at left guard, where I think his lack of speed would be masked. Remember, Kaczur may not have been an outstanding tackle towards the end, but I think we all know tackle is a much more difficult position to play than guard. Plus, who's saying even Mankins would have worked out as a tackle? New England drafted him in the first round after he played tackle at Fresno State and didn't feel like he was good enough to stick there - plus if he got slaughtered by Justin Tuck in close quarters during the Super Bowl, I think it's safe to assume he would have been manhandled much worse if he was trying to defend him in space.

If the Patriots can get a fairly early second-round pick for Mankins, I think that would be a nice value. There are plenty of good guard prospects that go in the second round every year and an early second-round pick would probably be enough to secure one of them.

A lot of good points there however a few things come to mind.

Kaczur can come in for Mankins for the time being at LG with Vollmer taking over at RT. However I think the Patriots were hoping for one of the backups like Connolly, Ohrnberger etc to eventually replace Neal at RG. If they need to replace both starting guards within a year or two it could lead to a lack of cohesion, especially since Matt Light will need replaced at LT soon also. It also has to be questioned how good of a starting OC Koppen is now. If not handled properly the whole offensive line could be drastically changed within a year or two.

I am not at all opposed to trading Mankins, especially if he is going to be a distraction, however I would hope all avenues are explored before that point. Ideally if he was traded it would be for a first rounder however as you mentioned a high second would suffice.

With the firepower of say 2 1sts and 3 2nds next year it would give a lot of flexibility. Assuming the Raiders have a better year than last year I dont expect any of the elite players who the Pats may target being available, ie-Heyward, Green etc. This would, as of now, leave them in the area of getting players like Mike Pouncey, Joseph Barksdale, Allen Bailey, Jack Crawford, Akeem Ayers etc.

Predicting BB's drafts really is like picking lottery numbers but with the areas of need you would imagine the value would seem pretty good. It would also allow the possibility of moving up or down next year.

Luckily, with the exception of OLB and maybe WR none of the major needs require top level talent draft wise. OG, 5 tech and RB can all be gotten around the 15-25 and top quality players can even be brought in in the second round.

My problem with everything is the turnover on the line. There has been major player turnover on defense recently and hopefully this year they come good. However with Brady back there and being 34 I wonder can the Pats afford a two year window to rebuild the offensive line.

[Matthew Jones]

We're going to have to blow up the line eventually, though, and lately it's seeming like a good time to do so. Brady was the fourth-most hit quarterback in the league last year, so having the same lineup for most of the last few years didn't really help a lot there. A new line based around Vollmer at LT could certainly be in the cards. Also, offensive line is one of the spots that it seems Belichick actually has a pretty good grasp on while drafting, although he's been pretty inconsistent across the board when it comes to offense (O'Connell at QB, Maroney at RB, Chad Jackson at WR, Watson/Graham/Thomas at TE, etc.)

[AntoinCD]

Yeah although I like the offenses potential this year a lot better than last, especially when it comes to Brady's health prospects. In Gronk and Crumpler you have two legitimate TEs who can block while playing on the line and, Gronk especially, has the ability to get into the passing game. A lot of times when the Pats lined up with 3 WRs, Faulk and Ben Watson teams could pin their ears back and go after Brady as they knew it was going to be a pass.

Now they can have a 3TE set with Moss and any RB and still have at least 4 real threats to catch the ball.

In regards to the line itself I agree it needs upgraded. However I was hoping Mankins could have been one of the pieces to build around. I really wouldnt mind spending a lot in the draft next year on upgrading the line. While OT doesn't seem too good as of now I think the interior quality and depth is definitely there. I wouldnt be opposed to taking a center and a guard next year relatively high although apparently the team feel they got a real steal in Ted Larsen this year.

[AntoinCD]

I was having a quick look at the schedule there and im actually a little disappointed we didn't start up with a team like the Colts. Really I want our first series of the regular season to be a real statement to other teams. Ideally we would come away with a TD but I think it would be great to line up with Moss, Tate, Crumpler, Gronkowski and Maroney in the backfield. If it was against the Colts they could keep both TEs in to block and watch Crumpler and Light absolutely dominate Freeney and Vollmer and Gronk manhandle Mathis. It really would set the tone for what should be a real physical team on offense next year. What I dont want to see is another year of playing 5 WR sets when we only need two yards etc.

[Razor]

To be honest, I really don't care who we meet in week one. That game never means anything, it's just players getting to know each other in game situations imo. I like that we meet the Colts around week ten. That way whoever wins will carry a lot of momentum into the final weeks and maybe even playoffs. I just hope (well, expect really) that we win it this year.

[FlyingElvis]

I think the Bengals followed by the Jets will be a tough enough start. Both teams will be strong this year.

We're only 7 weeks away from the first preseason game!

[Jvig43]

Over all we have a tough as **** schedule haha. Sure we have a few easy wins ( So happy we play the lions on thanksgiving) but for the most part we have a tough road against us. I'm pretty excited to see what we can do this year, so if we come out with 11-12 wins I'd be a happy pats fan.

[Bigburt63]

The thing with the Mankins contract stuff is nobody really knows how the patriots offer is structured. Is it a straight up contract offer, or is it an extension with him playing this year out? Is it backloaded or frontloaded? I would assume that with Mankins turning it down, it would seem to be backloaded, and he is smart enough to know that he will never see the last few, real money making years of a contract like that.

I don't like replacing Mankins with Kazcur. I like Kazcur at guard, but only if (and lets be serious, its when not if) Neal gets hurt. Mankins>Kazcur, anyone saying otherwise is just wrong. Also, I know I said this somewhere else, but if Kaczur moves to guard full-time, then his swing-man position is taken by Connelly or Ohrnberger. That is a downgrade in both spots.

Mankins is young, especially compared to the other starting OL (except Vollmer), and very consistent and has a tough and nasty attitude that this team needs more of.

[descendency]

The Patriots OL without Mankins is Light, Kaczur, Koppen, Neal, Vollmer. With Mankins, you move Kaczur to the bench.

[AntoinCD]

The thing with the Mankins contract stuff is nobody really knows how the patriots offer is structured. Is it a straight up contract offer, or is it an extension with him playing this year out? Is it backloaded or frontloaded? I would assume that with Mankins turning it down, it would seem to be backloaded, and he is smart enough to know that he will never see the last few, real money making years of a contract like that.

I don't like replacing Mankins with Kazcur. I like Kazcur at guard, but only if (and lets be serious, its when not if) Neal gets hurt. Mankins>Kazcur, anyone saying otherwise is just wrong. Also, I know I said this somewhere else, but if Kaczur moves to guard full-time, then his swing-man position is taken by Connelly or Ohrnberger. That is a downgrade in both spots.

Mankins is young, especially compared to the other starting OL (except Vollmer), and very consistent and has a tough and nasty attitude that this team needs more of.

Im not sure anyone can realistically argue that Kaczur is a better player than Mankins. If Mankins isn't there it also downgrades the entire offensive line. However at the moment I'm not sure how much of a downgrade Connolly would be from Kaczur

[FlyingElvis]

The thing with the Mankins contract stuff is nobody really knows how the patriots offer is structured. Is it a straight up contract offer, or is it an extension with him playing this year out? Is it backloaded or frontloaded? I would assume that with Mankins turning it down, it would seem to be backloaded, and he is smart enough to know that he will never see the last few, real money making years of a contract like that.

I don't like replacing Mankins with Kazcur. I like Kazcur at guard, but only if (and lets be serious, its when not if) Neal gets hurt. Mankins>Kazcur, anyone saying otherwise is just wrong. Also, I know I said this somewhere else, but if Kaczur moves to guard full-time, then his swing-man position is taken by Connelly or Ohrnberger. That is a downgrade in both spots.

Mankins is young, especially compared to the other starting OL (except Vollmer), and very consistent and has a tough and nasty attitude that this team needs more of.

I think it's safe to assume the deal wasn't structured in Mankins' favor. However, he has accused the team of not keeping their word when it seems plainly obvious that he's wrong. He has also complained about the deal being 20% less than that of Jahri Evans and it seems like that is incorrect, too.

I would rather have a happy Mankins at LG than any of the other scenarios.

Unfortunately, he's responding like everything has been a disrespectful slap in the face, and I just don't see that. All the reports point to Mankins being disingenuous.

[Jvig43]

The Jets are looking into Russell at Qb. They bring him in, and their going to have a huge battle between Sanchez and Jamarcus.


ha

[Razor]

So, it turns out that Brady played with a broken finger and three broken ribs (http://espn.go.com/blog/AFCEast/post/_/id/14930/tom-brady-still-listens-to-qb-whisperer) last season. That guys is as tough as they come. I've always known that but I'm still really impressed by this. So it is definetly not out of the realm of possibility that he will improve from what was his (statistically) 2nd best season ever. I don't know about you guys, but I can't wait!

[Nalej]

I can wait.... NOT!
I'll have to though :(

[Razor]

Brandon Deaderick sign with the Patriots (http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Patriots-ink-seventhrounder-Brandon-Deaderick.html)

Can't wait until the rest of the rookies sign. Anybody here who thinks we won't have them all signed by the start of TC? I hope not, but I'm a bit worried about McCourty's contract negotiations.

[FlyingElvis]

"Deaderick received a signing bonus just over $40,000 with the standard base salaries of $320,000, $405,000, $490,000 and $575,000."

what I would give to be even a 7th round draft pick . . .


I think they'll be in, but agree McCourty's deal may take a bit longer. Everything waits on the 1st pick so they can tailor deals based on that figure. But we usually see the players selected in the 20 and later signed and in camp.

[descendency]

Agents, players, and general managers are stupid to wait on first round picks. They all make about the same % increase every year. They should just accept it and work out the details from there.

[nepg]

This is why I really hope they implement an NBA-style rookie pay scale (through the 2nd round). So everyone knows what they're getting from the start, and contracts are guaranteed. So you just have to deal with negotiations for 2nd-day picks.

[Don Vito]

Anyone going to RI this year for camp?

[Bigburt63]

Anyone going to RI this year for camp?

You mean for training camp? Isn't it at Gillete now?


Or do you mean for like a playing camp in RI?

[FlyingElvis]

At Gillette now, much to the chagrin of my alma mater, no doubt.

[Don Vito]

The sad thing is I went to Gillette for one day last year for camp and I still forgot, I need help. But I'm planning on going again this year for a day.

[Jvig43]

So T.O made it pretty clear hed love to play for us. I cant imagine him lining up opposite of Moss, let alone be on the same team.

[AntoinCD]

Yeah I'm not sure i'd be thrilled with this. If I thought he could still play at a high level i'd be fine with it. But I think he would just take up a valuable roster spot that could be used to develop one of the younger guys like Tate or Price.

[Nalej]

Moss and T.O. lining up together would be reminicent of J.Rice and T.Brown lining up together in Oakland

[FlyingElvis]

I would still love to see it.

I, too, have reservations about roster space. Moss / Welker / Tate / Edelman / Price (PS, maybe?) . . . there is little room for TO.

There are already rumors that a RB will get the ax in order to carry 3 TEs this season. So where does the other cut come into play? If Price & Robinson can be stashed on the practice squad maybe it's possible. I just see too many holes to fill and too few roster spots. We really can't afford to cut offensive lineman with the age and injury history along the front. We appear to be holding 3 TEs. We already have a well stocked WR core. 3 QBs and lots quality RBs.

Where could we possibly make room?

[Razor]

Price won't go on PS, he would get poached very quickly. I don't think, however, that we'll carry three QBs. Robinson as very far away from being a NFL QB, so my bet is that only Brady and Hower gets a roster spot.

[nepg]

The Pats like to carry 6 WRs. If Price isn't ready, he'll probably go on the PUP/IR with a bruised pinky.

[FlyingElvis]

^ Very true. And if that's the case and it comes down to picking two out of Aiken / Holt / TO . . .


TO by alot. Aiken finally showed flashes last year, but he's already 29. I'll take TO first and not give a **** which of the other 2 make the squad.

[descendency]

TO would have been ok on a team like the one 4 years ago, but this year has too many rookies and second year players. The last thing this team needs is a problem waiting to happen like TO.

[FlyingElvis]

TO would have been ok on a team like the one 4 years ago, but this year has too many rookies and second year players. The last thing this team needs is a problem waiting to happen like TO.

I understand what you're saying, but TO will be had on the cheap by the time he signs. If he's a detriment he can be cut and it won't be very expensive.

[nepg]

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=AiN_AonRH2SKzfXABYMabvNDubYF?slug=jc-dbrankings071810
#22?! WTF?

[Razor]

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=AiN_AonRH2SKzfXABYMabvNDubYF?slug=jc-dbrankings071810
#22?! WTF?

I think that a lot of writers are expecting the Patriots to decline and be replaced by the Jets and 'Phins. Because of that they're talking down our players so they'll look smart if the Pats decline. That's one way of looking at it. Another way of looking at is, that we do have a lot of question marks at LB and DB. Actually, we only have one proven starter at LB; Mayo and Meriweather and Bodden as proven players at DB (some would argue that Meri isn't proven just yet, but I think he had his breakthrough year in 2009). So beacuse of these question marks the Pats seem to drop a bit down these kind of lists. I really don't care, because when this season is over I think most people who don't follow NE closely will look at our DBs and ILBs and say "Wow, there's a lot of talent and ability there.". I expect Butler to live up to the form he showed late last season and McCourty to secure the nickel spot during camp. That puts Wilhite at dime back which is his natural position imo. That's (on paper) a really good group of CBs, and we have three solid options next to Meri at S that BB can use depending on the opposition.

At ILB I think we have the best, young group of players in the league. Mayo and Guyton are entering their third year in the league and are the most experienced in that group. Mckenzie is still an unknown, but I expect him to find a role on our defense. I think Spikes will end up being the starter next to Mayo sometime during 2010.

This is of course very optimistic, but I really do think that our defense is only a dominant pass rusher away from being elite. Cunningham might not be the answer to that, but he's definetly part of the solution. What I don't get about these offseason lists is that the OL is so highly rated. Imo the OL is in the middle of the pack right now. They're mostly old players past their prime (Light, Neal and Koppen), Kaczur who can't pass block a speed rusher to save his life and Mankins who might not even come back. The only good thing on that OL right now is Vollmer, the rest are competely unknowns in the NFL.

[FlyingElvis]

The rankings from 10 - 25 are pretty much a wash, anyway. Pick any team and I could pick apart their spot, "proving" them to be better or worse.

I think the atrocity that was the Saints game, with major miscommunications leading to big plays against our backfield, is wildly overstated. Yes, we looked stupid. But nobody seems to mention (conveniently?) how good the Saints were last year at creating confusion. They have a nasty arsenal of weapons and can burn any D deep when they get a good matchup. Meachem, Colston, and Henderson are all matchup nightmares.

22 is cool with me. The best thing that can be bestowed upon a Belichick team is underdog status. Let the media play up the "end of the dynasty." It's BB's responsibility to prove them wrong. I'm excited to see how he does with that particular challenge.

[BradysKnee]

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=AiN_AonRH2SKzfXABYMabvNDubYF?slug=jc-dbrankings071810
#22?! WTF?

I've looked over this goof's rankings in total and its clear he doesn't have much of a clue what he's talking about. Having us at #2 in OL is also a big joke. Although I wish our OL was that good.

All in all, he's a moron.

[nepg]

Ya, I saw that OL ranking a little later on... Horrible. The Pats' OL is borderline trash.

[BradysKnee]

I personally like the fact that we are so under-rated this year. This team is pretty good as it is. But the potential to be great is there, depending on how the young guys step up.

I really think this young pool of talent is going to mature and we're going to see a very talented squad this year.

BB has a way of motivating when his teams 'arent respected' by the media, and I think this is nothing but a positive for us.

[Jvig43]

This off season has been hilarious to keep up with. Watching the media get off on anything Jets/Ravens is a joke. Keep saying were done, thats fine with me.

[Shahin]

Don't put too much thought into Jason Cole's rankings. Dude is a moron

[nepg]

This off season has been hilarious to keep up with. Watching the media get off on anything Jets/Ravens is a joke. Keep saying were done, thats fine with me.

It's funny how the Jets can get older and make a bunch of lateral/regressive moves (Faneca, Jones, Washington gone for Ducasse, LT, and McKnight), but the Pats get younger and make massive improvements to key areas and they're getting older and washed up while the Jets are the up-and-coming team that's now the favorite to win the AFC East...?

It's hilarious...simply put.

[AntoinCD]

Yeah I'm loving the media's love fest for the Jets.

With a Head Coach who loves to run his mouth, a second year QB playing in New York, swapping two RBs from the best rushing attack last year for a washed up LT and a 4th round draft pick, swapping a consistent pro bowl guard for a former OT in a small school, having two head cases at WR(one of whom will be suspended at the start of the season), having their NT coming off ACL surgery, having the guy who gave up the most pass completions in NFL history starting for them at CB, trading away their former pro bowl safety, having possible discontent between three of their biggest stars regarding contracts, and having all of these filmed for everyone to see during training camp.

Yeah, just give them the Lombardi trophy now ;)

[nepg]

People act like they won the AFC East last year... They were 9-7 and made the playoffs because the Colts and Bengals tanked. In the playoffs, they ended up being better than the Bengals anyway, and then they slipped by the perennial choke artists of the AFC. To quote GSP, "I am not imprezzed by your performanz."

[BradysKnee]

Jets to me are the most over-rated team of the decade.
The dolphins however are legitimate.

[AntoinCD]

Jets to me are the most over-rated team of the decade.
The dolphins however are legitimate.

Yeah the Dolphins are the team I fear most. Since Parcells and Sparano came in they havent had any flashy players or big time game changers but they executed really well and competed with teams well above their talent level. Now with some of their acquisitions they could be very dangerous. I still feel however there is enough of a worry surrounding Henne(until proven wrong) to be confident the Patriots are still the top team in the AFC East

[descendency]

The jets made the playoffs because Tom Brady ruined his perfect record at the Jets. :(

[FlyingElvis]

Jets to me are the most over-rated team of the decade.
The dolphins however are legitimate.

This is what really kills me. The reversal of roles is a trip. For the last few seasons the Dolphins have garned all the summertime hype and failed to live up to it. Now it's the Jets, when the Dolphins really are the more consistent and improved team.

[nepg]

And the best part is, the Pats are the team that made the biggest improvements this off-season and were already the best team. It's hilarious.

Aside from veteran leadership, the big thing I felt they were missing last year is an outside receiver opposite Randy Moss. They went out and got Torry F'ing Holt... That addition is horribly underrated.

They also upgraded their secondary, their linebackers, their pass rush, and the TE position(s) in a massive way.

[BradysKnee]

And the best part is, the Pats are the team that made the biggest improvements this off-season and were already the best team. It's hilarious.

Aside from veteran leadership, the big thing I felt they were missing last year is an outside receiver opposite Randy Moss. They went out and got Torry F'ing Holt... That addition is horribly underrated.

They also upgraded their secondary, their linebackers, their pass rush, and the TE position(s) in a massive way.

There's so much hatred out the for the Pats that people are really only seeing what they want to see. I can't believe how often I STILL here about the 'aging' defense of the Pats, etc.

[Razor]

So.... About that Devin McCourty contract. Dez Bryant signed for 5 years, $11.8 mill. with $8.5 mill. guaranteed. Compared to last years number 24, Peria Jerry, who got five years, $13,25 mill. with $7.55 mill. guaranteed. I'm wondering how this will affect the negotiations with McCourty, since Bryant got more guaranteed money but a lower base value for the deal than Jerry. I suspect that BB would try and get a similar deal done with McCourty. Hakeem Nicks signed for five years, $12.54 mill. with $6.5 mill. guaranteed. That means that BB could offer about $11M with $7-$7.5M guaranteed and say that's fair market value since the Bryant deal is precedent to that kind of a deal. I know this is all very hypothetical, but I'd rather have McCourty in camp than getting a great deal done (from a Patriots point of view). And I'm not sure that's how BB roll... Thoughts anyone?

[AntoinCD]

So.... About that Devin McCourty contract. Dez Bryant signed for 5 years, $11.8 mill. with $8.5 mill. guaranteed. Compared to last years number 24, Peria Jerry, who got five years, $13,25 mill. with $7.55 mill. guaranteed. I'm wondering how this will affect the negotiations with McCourty, since Bryant got more guaranteed money but a lower base value for the deal than Jerry. I suspect that BB would try and get a similar deal done with McCourty. Hakeem Nicks signed for five years, $12.54 mill. with $6.5 mill. guaranteed. That means that BB could offer about $11M with $7-$7.5M guaranteed and say that's fair market value since the Bryant deal is precedent to that kind of a deal. I know this is all very hypothetical, but I'd rather have McCourty in camp than getting a great deal done (from a Patriots point of view). And I'm not sure that's how BB roll... Thoughts anyone?

I read that the Bryant deal may have had something to do with worries about his character. Apparently the Cowboys would prefer to give more money now than later on. It doesn't make a lot of sense to me but it was compared to the Aaron Hernandez deal. I think McCourty will get signed by camp but BB may prefer to see what teams like the Jets and Dolphins are offering to the lower picks than McCourty instead of basing it on Bryant's deal.

[FlyingElvis]

Welker will be in camp! No PUP! wooooohhoooooooooooooo!!


http://www.nesn.com/2010/07/report-wes-welker-to-fully-participate-in-training-camp-wont-go-on-pup-list.html

[Razor]

Wow, that's huge! Great news!

[Don Vito]

Welker is not normal, I am actually convinced he and Pedroia are the same person

[FlyingElvis]

lol

I don't see any way he tore two ligaments, which is what was reported all along the way. In fact, I think they even say that in the linked article. There's just no way in hell he's back from a ACL & MCL tear-n-repair this quickly.

Maybe he was hangin' out at the Rodney Harrison School of sPEedy Recovery.

[Don Vito]

He can hang out with Rodney all he want he just can't get caught haha

[Jvig43]

I love WELKER! that dude is a freak.

Also, I miss Rodney :(

[BradysKnee]

Welker is just one of those guys, tough SOBs. Not many like him left. Can't believe we got him so cheap to this day.

[AntoinCD]

Welker is just one of those guys, tough SOBs. Not many like him left. Can't believe we got him so cheap to this day.

Yeah it was definitely a great get and the contract was good but if you look at the league now a 2nd round pick seems to be to price for a real good WR. So I gotta say well done to the front office for realising just how good he could become with Brady throwing to him because I bet no one in Miami, or San Diego, for that matter thought he was that good.

[BradysKnee]

Yeah it was definitely a great get and the contract was good but if you look at the league now a 2nd round pick seems to be to price for a real good WR. So I gotta say well done to the front office for realising just how good he could become with Brady throwing to him because I bet no one in Miami, or San Diego, for that matter thought he was that good.

Clearly NE did, they were going to get him regardless if I remember right. Didn't they Tender him RFA wise?

I remember being a bit shocked at the time at how much they gave up, but I remember how versatile he was in one particular dolphins game. lol.

[descendency]

I hope it doesn't jinx us too bad, but this could be the second 6-0 inter-division year since Brady became the QB.

@Mia will be without a DL basically. (If we can't run the ball this week... we just can't run the ball, period)
@Buffalo will be without a team
@NY almost was a win last year except it was Brady's second game back.

Then you have 3 home games... where the Patriots have been outright dominant.

[Razor]

Patriots agree to terms with Cunningham (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/07/24/pats-pocket-a-second-round-pick/). Has anybody seen the details on this deal? I wasn't all that high on Cunningham leading up to the draft, but after watching a bi more of him I've really warmed up to him. He does most things well, but doesn't really stand out in any area of the game. he seems to stick to his assignment, he's pretty explosive when getting after the QB and puts in great effort. I think he's the epitome of a BB OLB, just lacking the real freakish athleticism. He'll be very interesting to watch, it shouldn't take too much to force Burgess (or TBC for that matter) out of the starting lineup. The real wildcard here is Shawn Crable and whether he's able to stay on the field this year.

[Jvig43]

Its a 4 year deal is all thats reported right now. The same article goes on to say that were close to signing Spikes/Grob as well. However, nfl network reported that Brady isnt very happy with the pats right now because of their lack of effort attempting to get him to a lucrative long term deal. This needs to get fixed now.

[Nalej]

I agree. TB needs to be a happy camper if we want to succeed.
And for the record, I hate front loaded contracts... 'cause they each act like they're underpaid knowing thats how the damn contract was structured towards the end, smh
Regardless, I'd like to have Brady long-term- I think we're still good now but if Manning gets signed before him- then each day that passes after that is when I'll start getting worried

[Jvig43]

I agree. TB needs to be a happy camper if we want to succeed.
And for the record, I hate front loaded contracts... 'cause they each act like they're underpaid knowing thats how the damn contract was structured towards the end, smh
Regardless, I'd like to have Brady long-term- I think we're still good now but if Manning gets signed before him- then each day that passes after that is when I'll start getting worried

Idk why we wouldnt sign him before Manning. Whatever he ends up getting Brady is going to want more, and vice versa. I'd imagine the Colts organization and the pats would want to sign their Qb first no?

[Razor]

Four years, $4.44 mill. for Gronkowski (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/07/25/four-years-444-million-for-gronkowski/) according to PFT. Great deal for Gronk and for the Pats. Next up: Brandon Spikes!

[Don Vito]

I really hope Gronkowski stays healthy, I think he has a very bright future here

[AntoinCD]

So much for a holdout. As per Adam Schefter's twitter- "When Patriots rookies reported Sunday, the first veteran to report with them was QB Tom Brady"

Nicely done John Clayton, Chris Mortenson etc. Very good reporting on your behalf

[nepg]

The idea of Tom ******* Brady holding out is just ludicrous. Ya, he wants to get paid, but he knows that the reason he's deserves to get paid is because he's the first in and last to leave... There's no point in them paying him if he's not doing that because that's how he's gotten himself and that offense to where it's been at.

[FlyingElvis]

Don't bother even listening to the "Brady is upset" type of reports. None of the asshats typing that **** up have any credible sources.

Every time it's the same thing - a long, accountability free parade of third hand (and often farther removed) "sources."

[Jvig43]

Yeah since posting about Brady being unhappy, plenty of reports have come in the last two days saying that the pats have actually made some progress with contract talks and that a new contract could be signed before we know it. So yeah, basically what Nepg and ELvis said.

[BradysKnee]

Anyone else feeling a bit positive about not taking Kindle? lol.

[Razor]

Anyone else feeling a bit positive about not taking Kindle? lol.

Not really. This was a freak accident, and I really feel bad for the guy. I still thinks he has a bright future in the NFL.


In other news, Spikes just signed a contract (http://www.bostonherald.com/blogs/sports/rap_sheet/index.php/2010/07/26/brandon-spikes-agrees-to-terms-leaving-only-devin-mccourty-unsigned/). Now they can focus on getting McCourty signed before camp and then move on to extending Brady.

[Jvig43]

^ agreed with above, also are we all ok with just giving the finger to Mankins at this point. It really sucks were not getting anywhere with the guy acting like a Dbag, but our line certainly isnt going to be as good.

[BradysKnee]

Kindle has had alot of accidents, and accident or not it is going to dramatically affect his rookie campaign, and likely beyond. Rookies who miss time early struggle badly.

[nepg]

^ agreed with above, also are we all ok with just giving the finger to Mankins at this point. It really sucks were not getting anywhere with the guy acting like a Dbag, but our line certainly isnt going to be as good.

I think Kaczur will be more than fine at LG. It only sucks because Kaczur would have been amazing at RG if Mankins was signed. Hell, Kaczur played some C in college, and would be pretty interesting there, too.

[nepg]

Kindle has had alot of accidents, and accident or not it is going to dramatically affect his rookie campaign, and likely beyond. Rookies who miss time early struggle badly.

Clumsy people are just clumsy. Nothing ever going to change that.

[descendency]

My pre-camp 53 man roster guess:
QB(2):
Brady
Hoyer

RB(4):
Maroney
Faulk
Taylor
Morris/BJGE

WR(5):
Moss
Welker
Tate
Price
Edelman

TE(3):
Gronkowski
Hernandez
Crumpler

OL(11):
Mankins*
Vollmer
Light
Kaczur
Neal
Koppen
LeVoir
Connolly
Ohrnberger/Bussey
Larsen
Welch

DL(7):
T. Warren
Wright
D. Warren/Lewis
Deaderick
Wilfork
Brace
Pryor

LB(9):
Mayo
Spikes
Cunningham
Guyton
McKenzie
Banta-Cain
Ninkovich
Burgess
Crable/Woods

CB(4):
Bodden
Butler
Wilhite
McCourty

S(4):
Meriweather
Chung
Sanders
McGowan

K(1):
Gostkowski

P(1):
Mesko

ST(2):
Slater (ST)
Ingram (LS)

Oops: Left off Gary Guyton.

The biggest camp battles are for the last few OL and DL positions. OLBs won't be nearly as big of a battle because there are significant draft picks invested into players (Cunningham, Burgess, Crable) and the Patriots are happy with TBC. Personally, I have Woods and Crable battling for that last spot but both suck. Woods has value on special teams though.

I had a special teams battle between Slater and Arrington (Coin flip). Slater won.

My gut says one of the safeties is traded, probably James Sanders. I love all 4 of them though.

Either Morris or BJGE have to go. 5 running backs that have no special teams value are a huge waste of roster spots. I love BJGE's attitude but his running style is lacking; Morris is a good back - when healthy, but isn't healthy much.

I only have Mankins on the roster because I don't know how his roster spot is handled while he is restricted but unsigned. I don't think he counts against the roster though. I'd give his spot to another OL.

I left Zack Robinson on the PS.

This is a really young team and a lot of the players could go from 53 man roster to PS without much reason behind it so that is incredibly hard to predict.

[AntoinCD]

My 53 man roster would be;

QB:(2)

Tom Brady
Brian Hoyer

RB:(4)

Laurence Maroney
Fred Taylor
Kevin Faulk
Sammy Morris

TE:(3)

Rob Gronkowski
Alge Crumpler
Aaron Hernandez

OL:(8)

Matt Light
Sebastian Vollmer
Dan Koppen
Logan Mankins
Stephen Neal
Dan Connolly
Rich Ohrnberger
Mark Levoir

WR:(7)

Randy Moss
Wes Welker
Julian Edelman
Brandon Tate
Taylor Price
Torry Holt
Sam Aiken

DL:(8)

Vince Wilfork
Ty Warren
Mike Wright
Myron Pryor
Ron Brace
Gerard Warren
Damione Lewis
Brandon Deaderick

OLB:(5)

Tully Banta-Cain
Jermaine Cunningham
Derrick Burgess
Shawn Crable
Rob Ninkovich

ILB:(4)

Jerod Mayo
Gary Guyton
Tyrone MacKenzie
Brandon Spikes

CB:(5)

Leigh Bodden
Darius Butler
Devin McCourty
Jonathan Wilhite
Kyle Arrington

Safety:(4)

Brandon Meriweather
Patrick chung
James Sanders
Brandon MacGowan

Kicker:(1)

Stephen Gostkowski

Punter:(1)

Zoltan Mesko

Long Snapper:(1)

Jake Ingram

Once again if Mankins isn't included in the roster then it will go to one of the rookie linemen, probably Larsen.

I cut BJGE because with Hernandez there now then he won't be needed to occassionally line up as a FB and Sammy Morris provides more when healthy.

I think Robinson, Weston, Larsen and Welch could all be practice squad bound.

The special teams ability of McCourty and Chung also allows BB to cut some guys who where there on special teams ability alone. The only real special teamers I would keep would be Aiken and Arrington.

[BradysKnee]

Looks like Welker is going to start on PUP. Don't mind terribly, I think they should be cautious. Just have him ready for week 1.

[FlyingElvis]

^ Should have seen that coming, I guess. Even if he's ready they can PUP him for a few weeks and keep the roster spot open a little longer. BB . . . always working the system. Welker will be (and should be) handled with kid gloves right up to the first game. There's no need for him to be in camp or even preseason, really. The chemistry and timing aren't going to be issues at all.


EDIT: Crable is on it,too. sigh. WTF is up with him? He's getting cut this year, I think.

[BradysKnee]

Man, don't know what's up with Crable.I was looking forward to seeing him actually play this preseason.

[Jvig43]

Crable is such a disappointment, I really wanted to see him do well. The guys made out of glass apparently.

[BradysKnee]

Crable is such a disappointment, I really wanted to see him do well. The guys made out of glass apparently.

Chicken Legs on a big body. Funny I always judge alot of players I coach based on this. Big body, little legs = Not good.

[descendency]

Crable is such a disappointment, I really wanted to see him do well. The guys made out of glass apparently.

Rumor on the street is that he just sucks and gets IR'd because Belichick is too embarrassed to give up on a guy he drafted with a high 3rd round pick that quickly.

I hope he's just had some injury problems though.

[AntoinCD]

Rumor on the street is that he just sucks and gets IR'd because Belichick is too embarrassed to give up on a guy he drafted with a high 3rd round pick that quickly.

I hope he's just had some injury problems though.

Reportedly he is actually hurt but not seriously so he should be in camp at some stage. Agreed though that this is a massive disappointment again.

[Razor]

According to Mike Reiss McCourty has now signed a five year deal. Great news! No rookie holdouts this year either. I love it.

[AntoinCD]

According to Mike Reiss McCourty has now signed a five year deal. Great news! No rookie holdouts this year either. I love it.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/07/28/patriots-devin-mccourty-agree-to-terms/

Yea here's the link. I'm excited now. Camp starts tomorrow.

[FlyingElvis]

Awesome news on McCourty. That takes away the chance for the holdout media circus, which is nice.

The PUP list guys are on the Active / PUP which is different from the Inactive / PUP. So these guys can all come off the list at any time through camp. It really is just a roster game - typical of BB.
(I didn't even know there were separate distinctions, tbh)

[AntoinCD]

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d8191c8a8/article/more-concerns-than-usual-at-pats-camp?module=HP_spotlight

Am I the only person missing something out here on the Inside Slant piece. I could have sworn that drafting a first round CB was an addition to the secondary. Well shows what I know and why NFL.Com don't employ moe

[BradysKnee]

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d8191c8a8/article/more-concerns-than-usual-at-pats-camp?module=HP_spotlight

Am I the only person missing something out here on the Inside Slant piece. I could have sworn that drafting a first round CB was an addition to the secondary. Well shows what I know and why NFL.Com don't employ moe

There are so many morons out there writing now. Like Don Banks and his power rankings with the Jets at #1.

[descendency]

There are so many morons out there writing now. Like Don Banks and his power rankings with the Jets at #1.

I wonder what Banks power rankings were before the Jets got the gift from the Colts.

[Razor]

The Patriots released Shawn Crable (http://www.boston.com/sports/football/patriots/extra_points/) earlier today. To say the guy has been a disappointment would be an understatement.

[Don Vito]

That sucks, I thought he and Mayo were the future when we took them in the same draft. He is one hell of an athlete but is too fragile and just not built like a linebacker, hopefully he gets a shot somewhere else.

[AntoinCD]

That sucks, I thought he and Mayo were the future when we took them in the same draft. He is one hell of an athlete but is too fragile and just not built like a linebacker, hopefully he gets a shot somewhere else.

He had so much damn potential too. Too bad he had chicken legs though

[Jvig43]

Wake up from taking my friend out for his 21st to find nothing but good news, Crable's gone and McCourty signed. Today is already off to a good day. Pumped training camp starts as well, anyone plan on going this year?

[AntoinCD]

Wake up from taking my friend out for his 21st to find nothing but good news, Crable's gone and McCourty signed. Today is already off to a good day. Pumped training camp starts as well, anyone plan on going this year?

Just wait until later on when the Pats trade a 7th round pick and a bag of doritos for Demarcus Ware. Then it will be a really good day

[Jvig43]

Just wait until later on when the Pats trade a 7th round pick and a bag of doritos for Demarcus Ware. Then it will be a really good day

.....Teasing me with such an idea of getting a pass rusher is just cruel, especially when that pass rusher is Ware.

[descendency]

Next Up: Terrence Wheatley.

[Razor]

Next Up: Terrence Wheatley.

You read my mind.

I think that Slater might also get the boot after TC. He's a good special teamer, but that's pretty much it. Arrington is much, much better and should be certain of a roster spot based on last years performance. If we have room for Slater I'd love to keep him though. Two fast gunners do a lot for special teams play.

[AntoinCD]

You read my mind.

I think that Slater might also get the boot after TC. He's a good special teamer, but that's pretty much it. Arrington is much, much better and should be certain of a roster spot based on last years performance. If we have room for Slater I'd love to keep him though. Two fast gunners do a lot for special teams play.

Pat Chung and Devin McCourty have sad faces now because you forgot them

[Razor]

But none of them has the raw speed of Slater to get down the field and disturb the returner. Even when he misses the tackles he still delay the returner. McCourty could be a beast on ST, but he's not yet proven in the NFL. I think he will prove himself pretty fast though..

[descendency]

It's too bad Slater can't do anything other than cover KR/PR because he would be a guaranteed roster spot if he could.

[Jvig43]

I'm disappointed with the amount of camp coverage on the web right now. We need more video feeds!

[BradysKnee]

MORE video feeds? Can you give me a link to one? lol

[Don Vito]

The Herald actually covers camp pretty decently, I'm definitely going to pick it up tomorrow. It's hard to find anything online though.

[Jvig43]

http://www.patriots.com/homepage/

Theres a couple short ones there. Normally their website does better at posting decently long videos of each day. But I think they just had a practice at 330 if im correct? They say more will be up later.

[Jvig43]

Also, Nicklovich and Banta cain as our two starting OLBs makes me a sad panda. The good news I guess is that some analysts were saying Nicklovich had a very Vrabel feel to him through practices today.

[BradysKnee]

On a lighter side, Jets RB Mcknight failed his conditioning test. lol. Baffles me that an RB fails his conditioning test, but oh well.

[AntoinCD]

On a lighter side, Jets RB Mcknight failed his conditioning test. lol. Baffles me that an RB fails his conditioning test, but oh well.

Lol and just think it could have been the most dangerous change of pace back in the NFL, Leon Washington. The Jets front office rules!!!

[BradysKnee]

Lol and just think it could have been the most dangerous change of pace back in the NFL, Leon Washington. The Jets front office rules!!!

But they have LT! LT > Thomas+Washington, didn't you know?

[Razor]

The Herald actually covers camp pretty decently, I'm definitely going to pick it up tomorrow. It's hard to find anything online though.

If you want great coverage of TC (and the Pats in general) see Mike Reiss' blog:
http://espn.go.com/blog/boston/new-england-patriots

Easily the best Patriots coverage online. The boys at PFW In Progress also cover TC really well:
http://blog.pfwonline.com/

[nepg]

I love the internal focus on this team right now. They're getting their **** taken care of.

The new TE trio sounds incredible. This team will be unstoppable in the red zone.

[Razor]

I'm kinda confused:

The defense again had the upper hand against the offense in the morning practice, as appeared to be the case yesterday. After the session on Friday, the entire offense was forced to take a lap around the practice fields, presumably for having failed to score during the red zone/goal line period.


http://blog.pfwonline.com/?p=3280

So... Is this because our defense is going to be elite this year or is it because our high powered offense isn't as high powered as it is thought to be? Still early in camp though, so a lot could (and probably will) change. But still...

[bjones9]

I'm kinda confused:



http://blog.pfwonline.com/?p=3280

So... Is this because our defense is going to be elite this year or is it because our high powered offense isn't as high powered as it is thought to be? Still early in camp though, so a lot could (and probably will) change. But still...

Takes the offense longer to click.
The defense can only be elite with Junior Seau ( aka god ) on it.

[descendency]

I'm kinda confused:



http://blog.pfwonline.com/?p=3280

So... Is this because our defense is going to be elite this year or is it because our high powered offense isn't as high powered as it is thought to be? Still early in camp though, so a lot could (and probably will) change. But still...

I wouldn't expect a bunch of rookies and second year players (which is basically the offense) to immediately mesh together.

[descendency]

Belichick's press conference today:

Q: You mentioned a clean slate. Can you give your rationale for the redecorating and taking all the pictures down?

BB: The walls needed painting.

[Jvig43]

Spikes and Mckenzie (spelling?) are apparently doing very well.yaaaaay

[Razor]

Well, Spikes has been abused in the passing game a few times. But I think we all expected that. He's a run stuffer, and that's about it. But it's just what we need. I was very intruiged by McKenzie last year and then forgot all about him. He seems to have a slight edge over Spikes atm, so my money on the week one starter next to Mayo would be in McKenzie right now.

In other news: David Patten has announced his retirement from pro football. Imo has was never going to make the roster anyway. Hopefully his work ethic rubbed off on some of the younger players.

[BradysKnee]

Well, Spikes has been abused in the passing game a few times. But I think we all expected that. He's a run stuffer, and that's about it. But it's just what we need. I was very intruiged by McKenzie last year and then forgot all about him. He seems to have a slight edge over Spikes atm, so my money on the week one starter next to Mayo would be in McKenzie right now.

In other news: David Patten has announced his retirement from pro football. Imo has was never going to make the roster anyway. Hopefully his work ethic rubbed off on some of the younger players.

The flexibility our ILB group offers is excellent. I honestly wouldn't be surprised at all to see more 4-3 looks to get Mayo+Spikes or McKenzie+Guyton on the field together.

Patten was a great WR back in the day, worked hard. He probably just knew he didn't have it anymore, but at his age its expected. Hope he has a good life after football.

[descendency]

Julian Edelman is a budding rock star. During kickoff return work, he fielded the ball and headed to his left. Shut off, he reversed field and went wide right, turning on the jets before being forced out of bounds. This afternoon was the receiver's turn to sign autographs among the crowd and Edelman stayed for quite a while longer than the "required" time, running from one end of the field to the other to make sure he could appease as many fans as possible.

Best coverage linebacker so far according to one report (I forgot where I saw it): Dane Fletcher.

[AntoinCD]

The flexibility our ILB group offers is excellent. I honestly wouldn't be surprised at all to see more 4-3 looks to get Mayo+Spikes or McKenzie+Guyton on the field together.

Patten was a great WR back in the day, worked hard. He probably just knew he didn't have it anymore, but at his age its expected. Hope he has a good life after football.

The ILB group in general is looking a lot better than in previous year's but also offers so much versatility.

In the 34;

Spikes/Mayo- Mainly first and second down
Mayo/McKenzie-Will battle Spikes for early downs as well
Guyton/Mayo-3rd down/obvious passing situations

In the 43;

Guyton/Mayo/McKenzie-Overs a lot of flexibility as all three can play an LB position
Mayo/Spikes/McKenzie-Mayo may be better suited to play WILL than inside
Mayo/Guyton/TBC-Banta-Cain as the SAM to rush the QB like Orakpo did last year for Washington

Last year there was no choice but to play Guyton and Mayo exclusively as there was no one else.

[BradysKnee]

The ILB group in general is looking a lot better than in previous year's but also offers so much versatility.

In the 34;

Spikes/Mayo- Mainly first and second down
Mayo/McKenzie-Will battle Spikes for early downs as well
Guyton/Mayo-3rd down/obvious passing situations

In the 43;

Guyton/Mayo/McKenzie-Overs a lot of flexibility as all three can play an LB position
Mayo/Spikes/McKenzie-Mayo may be better suited to play WILL than inside
Mayo/Guyton/TBC-Banta-Cain as the SAM to rush the QB like Orakpo did last year for Washington

Last year there was no choice but to play Guyton and Mayo exclusively as there was no one else.

Agreed, but like you mention I can't see Mayo playing Mike in the 4-3, he's a Will or maybe Sam. Spikes looks great for the Mike Role.

Also, I'm sure everyone's heard, but Welker is off PUP :).

[Jvig43]

NO I DIDNT HEAR! ahhhhh im excited. But still want to be safe with him.

[Matthew Jones]

Anyone read that the Patriots worked out Adewale Ogunleye and are considering signing him? I'd assume it was as a potential replacement for Derrick Burgess, who seems like he's leaning towards retirement right now. Personally, I'm not a huge fan of trying to convert a 4-3 end to a 3-4 linebacker at age 32, but then again, it's not like we have a whole lot to offer at outside linebacker and Ogunleye has been a pretty good pass rusher over the course of his career. He's also 6'4", 260, so he fits the size requirement.

[Jvig43]

As much as I dont mind being the under dogs, some D bag analyst on ESPN was just talking about Revis holding out, and said"without Revis, sure you can beat Chad henne and Brady, but when it comes to Manning and Brees you wont be able to get it done". I hope Brady ******* tears it up this year, ass holes.

[Don Vito]

As much as I dont mind being the under dogs, some D bag analyst on ESPN was just talking about Revis holding out, and said"without Revis, sure you can beat Chad henne and Brady, but when it comes to Manning and Brees you wont be able to get it done". I hope Brady ******* tears it up this year, ass holes.

It's funny how quickly people forget

[BradysKnee]

As much as I dont mind being the under dogs, some D bag analyst on ESPN was just talking about Revis holding out, and said"without Revis, sure you can beat Chad henne and Brady, but when it comes to Manning and Brees you wont be able to get it done". I hope Brady ******* tears it up this year, ass holes.

**** ESPN. The only respectable guy on there is Schefter.

[FlyingElvis]

**** ESPN. The only respectable guy on there is Schefter.

and he only garners respect b/c he's fresh off of NFLN still. Give it another year or so and he'll be a joke, too.

[descendency]

As much as I dont mind being the under dogs, some D bag analyst on ESPN was just talking about Revis holding out, and said"without Revis, sure you can beat Chad henne and Brady, but when it comes to Manning and Brees you wont be able to get it done". I hope Brady ******* tears it up this year, ass holes.

The great thing about Tom Brady is that when he plays well, more assholes appear. Not because he attracts them, but because he keeps ripping people a new one.

It's funny how quickly people forget

Yea, like 6 months ago. 4398 yards, 28 TDs, 13 INTs. One of the best in the game without having played in a year and with 2 WRs (one of which dogged it to the NFL lead in touchdowns)

[Razor]

Yea, like 6 months ago. 4398 yards, 28 TDs, 13 INTs. One of the best in the game without having played in a year and with 2 WRs (one of which dogged it to the NFL lead in touchdowns)

Well, he didn't dog it. The man played with a separated shoulder and a sore back for most of the season. Moss is still the best in the game, and this year he will shut up his critics (again).

[Jvig43]

I'm sort of hoping we keep moss around after this year. I want him to get a ring with us.

[FlyingElvis]

I think they will make a strong offer to Randy, assuming he continues to work hard for us this year. The only reason I can figure he's saying he won't be back is if he plans on going to the highest bidder, which I don't think he'll do. However, if a team like Baltimore (or another perennial contender) made a better offer than NE, Randy may leave.

[Don Vito]

I've always loved Randy and I would love to see him finish his career here, he is definitely still one of the game's best. Ideally I would want to keep Randy around for a few more seasons after this and take an AJ Green/Julio/Baldwin in the first, but that would be a lot of bodies at WR for us. It would be awesome to let Randy mentor one of those young guys for a few years though.

I don't know if any of you look at barstool sports, but this picture was on there today and it makes me miss the awesomeness that our OL used to be.

http://boston.3432.voxcdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/Oline-480x274.jpg

[Jvig43]

I started my day off with one of my campers from the summer camp I work at informing me he went to the season ticket holders practice last night. He said he was there for about three hours, and met Jerod Mayo and gave him a high five. That kid becomes my ***** from here on out, little jerk.

[BradysKnee]

I started my day off with one of my campers from the summer camp I work at informing me he went to the season ticket holders practice last night. He said he was there for about three hours, and met Jerod Mayo and gave him a high five. That kid becomes my ***** from here on out, little jerk.

Why aren't you kidnapping him for the season tickets?

[descendency]

So far, what I've read from camp so far:

Better:
1. Tight End - They replaced a Chris Baker who just couldn't produce and a lazy Ben Watson with Rob Gronkowski and Aaron Hernandez who are ripping it up in training camp. Alge Crumpler is being viewed as an extra blocker. This is probably the most improved position in New England.

2. Wide Receiver - This wasn't hard. The only person I think you will end up thinking has regressed is Randy Moss and that's only because he'll be yet another year older. Welker is still in his prime (albeit coming off a knee injury), while Brandon Tate, Taylor Price, and Julian Edelman are young players having very good camps. Even if Welker struggles out of the gate, Tate, Price and Edelman (and maybe Torry Holt) should be able to pick up the slack as well as improve on the performance of the terrible WR core last year.

3. Inside Linebacker - The ILB core last year was basically two guys with a bunch of crappy utility linebackers backing them up. Now they inject Brandon Spikes and Tyrone McKenzie behind Guyton and a healthy Mayo, this group will definitely not be calling Junior Seau for help. Don't sleep on Dane Fletcher who is quietly the best coverage linebacker in training camp by some reports.

4. Safety - While they didn't add anyone, the Patriots have gotten more mature at a position that was quite deep already. This group is 'too young' and will benefit from a few years.

5. Quarterback - I debated this one for a while. Brady is a year older but he is also another year removed from the ACL tear. I don't know that this isn't a push but I think he does break 30 TDs, 12 INTs (fewer), and 4500 yards because of his new weapons and his contract situation.

6. Punter - while this isn't a sexy position, Chris Hanson wasn't very good. I have a strong feeling Zoltan Mesko proves his worth of a 5th round selection. He's having a great camp.

7. Right Tackle - Sebastian Vollmer will make his second year jump this year and it will be at Right Tackle. He's a huge improvement over Kaczur.

Worse:
1. Outside Linebacker - This is hard to imagine that the 2009 Patriots had better OLBs than the 2010 Patriots do. The reality is that the Patriots only added Jermaine Cunningham and lost Derrick Burgess and Adalius Thomas. Shawn Crable was cut. This group is paper thin. While it has more experience, the best pass rusher is Tully Banta-Cain. I seriously doubt he gets 10+ sacks again this year. They could desperately use a trade for an OLB. The current OLBs are TBC, Cunningham, Rob Ninkovich, and special teamers (like Pierre Woods).

2. Running back - This is really simple. The group was average before. It's older now. The good backs are past their prime and getting older. The young back (Maroney) isn't very good. The only way the Patriots see good production out of this group (outside of the excellent OL blocking) is to see Maroney finally develop into an NFL running back.

3. Left Guard - This isn't really fair to Nick Kaczur, but it's true. Kaczur should be an excellent guard because he still was a good run blocker, he still has good enough athleticism, and his worst knock was that he couldn't handle speed rushers anymore. Well, you don't have interior speed rushers. However, losing a Pro-bowler at a position isn't good.

4. Left Tackle + Center + Right Guard - Matt Light is another year older and quite frankly can't handle the speed rush anymore. Dan Koppen and Stephen Neal are older and probably more injury prone.


Push:
1. Defensive End - Ty Warren is in his prime and the other DE spot was a revolving door last year anyways. No word on this being improved yet. (it has a lot of crappy depth in my opinion)

2. Nose Tackle - Vince Wilfork resigned with the Patriots. I think he's in his prime so this isn't positive or negative in 2010.

3. Kicker - Gostkowski is among the leagues most accurate and is young. I doubt he does much better or worse.

[nepg]

I think the improved ILB position will allow the Patriots more flexibility with what they do with their OLBs. I wouldn't sleep on TBC doing even better in 2010. Then again, I've always been a believer in Tully (was not happy when they chose to sign Thomas over keeping TBC). Also, with Dane Fletcher possibly making the cut and Guyton having some experience at OLB, I think we could see some creative packages where those two are outside and the rush comes from the safeties, ILBs, and/or corners.

[Jvig43]

Guytons been out with injury the last few days so idk what his status is right now. I know its early too, but with our WRs said to be doing so well, I figure instead of using Oaklands pick to get another elite WR we could grab a DE or OLB. I feel like it will be the bigger need. Thoughts?

[BradysKnee]

Guytons been out with injury the last few days so idk what his status is right now. I know its early too, but with our WRs said to be doing so well, I figure instead of using Oaklands pick to get another elite WR we could grab a DE or OLB. I feel like it will be the bigger need. Thoughts?

DE/OT/OLB should be our 1st round picks next year. I don't see WR as a round 1 (or 2) need for us at all.

[Jvig43]

Neither do I, but i think the general thought process was that we could grab an elite WR next year with that class, but I doubt Oaklands pick is as high as we all hoped it would be anyway.

[nepg]

I'd like Noel Devine in the first, quite honestly. Take best OLB, DL, or OL with the Oakland pick, imo.

[Nalej]

If we can grab AJ, JJ, Balwin or Floyd- I think we have to grab 'em.
If Moss leaves after next season- we have Tate, Price and Welker.
Assuming our TEs pan out- it won't be too bad but I don't think we can pass up on that type of talent.

I don't see Devine as a 1st rd pick so grabbing him in the 2nd would be out of the question

[AntoinCD]

At this point in time, give me a DE and WR in the first, say Heyward, Clayborne etc and any of the big 4 WRs.

In the second we could target Devine plus an OLB. At this point Von Miller is the only OLB prospect they would have a chance on in the first and im not sure he fits what the Pats are looking for, one of the big things they are saying about Cunningham this year is how fluid he is looking in coverage. Im not sure Miller can do that

[FlyingElvis]

I would be surprised to see BB take a WR in round one. I expect defensive players early with Oline & WR being outside chances depending on availability and our pick.

I completely agree with Jvig on Oakland's pick being lower than we had hoped at the time of the trade. Oakland is likely to be a .500 team this year, and I wouldn't be surprised if they're signinficantly better than that. They appear to have made all the right moves this offseason and have everything in place (including a sweetheart schedule) to make a run at the (NFL's weakest) division title.

Also, don't sleep on OchoCinco to NE next year. If Moss doesn't stay I could see Chad in a Pats uni. Not that I feel that should stop us from selecting a stud WR. Just sayin . . .

[BradysKnee]

We need an elite OT badly. Light is gone next year, and other than vollmer, who do we have at tackle...?

[Jvig43]

I doubt ocho would leave Cinci, I wanna keep Moss. Mankins needs to stop being a prick so we dont have to be up every night worrying about our oline in the future.

[descendency]

Well, he didn't dog it. The man played with a separated shoulder and a sore back for most of the season. Moss is still the best in the game, and this year he will shut up his critics (again).

The comment was an attempt to mock people who talked trash about Moss.

I think I said "the only WR to ever dog it to the NFL lead in touchdowns" once or something like that.

Although, I'd take Andre over Randy that this point. Randy might be the best ever, but he's not young anymore. He's still scary though.

[FlyingElvis]

I doubt ocho would leave Cinci, I wanna keep Moss. Mankins needs to stop being a prick so we dont have to be up every night worrying about our oline in the future.

I would rather keep Moss, too, and I think it will happen.

I'm not sure Ocho would want to stay in Cinci. Especially when they don't exercise his option next year and let him hit FA. It's tough to gauge, but I think he'd be quick to bail if they don't make a deep playoff push this year. They're too good to not make the SB, really, and I think he'll decide Cinci is not the place to be for a chance at a ring.

So says my crystal ball. Though it has been acting all funny lately, what with that big, scary eye made of fire I keep seeing in it.

[BradysKnee]

So says my crystal ball. Though it has been acting all funny lately, what with that big, scary eye made of fire I keep seeing in it.

You should get that checked, friend of mine got brain damage from something like that happening with his.

[FlyingElvis]

Brain's just fine. But I have been feeling some strong urges to destroy midgets and confiscate their rings.

[BradysKnee]

Brain's just fine. But I have been feeling some strong urges to destroy midgets and confiscate their rings.

I always feel the urge to destroy midgets. Especially when watching TLC.

[Razor]

Fixed it for you:
I always feel the urge to destroy midgets.

[descendency]

It seems the Patriots have a dirty little secret:

Julian Edelman at RB. If he looks as good at RB as he did at WR last year, this is an instant upgrade.

[Razor]

Nick Kaczur has "significant" back injury (http://www.boston.com/sports/football/patriots/extra_points/2010/08/kaczur_has_sign.html?comments=all#readerComm), could miss the season.

Not good news at all.. Next up, Dan Connolly!

[descendency]

Logan Mankins just thought he'd call the Patriots and see if they were ready to offer another 10 million dollars or not.

[Jvig43]

Our line is getting worse every day.

[Nalej]

Patriots Sign C Eric Ghiaciuc

Adding depth, I suppose.
We need Mankins in camp ASAP!
Our interior line is ugh

[nepg]

In Dante we trust? I'm not all that worried about it, though. The backups they have at OG are young guys who have been in the system for a few years now (should know their ****, be able to execute, and integrate seemlessly). If it was OT or C, I'd care more. OG is easy to mask with playcalling and design.

[BradysKnee]

While I do think Dante is an amazing coach, and would bring the line up to speed by midseason, given our schedule I think we need Mankins now.

I know he's being a greedy douche, but I love how the guy plays, he is physical, and a mean asshole on the field. Exactly how I love OL.

Pay him, the whole line would come together with his presence.

[nepg]

They tried to pay him, already.

[Matthew Jones]

Not happy about the Kaczur injury at all. I thought he'd make a nice left guard actually. Any word on how much Mankins is looking for?

[BradysKnee]

Not happy about the Kaczur injury at all. I thought he'd make a nice left guard actually. Any word on how much Mankins is looking for?

I really think what they supposedly offered him is fair, I am guessing its the structure of the deal Mankins was pissy about, but that's just speculation.

[descendency]

http://blog.pfwonline.com/?p=3361

Ty Warren could be out for a long while too. Our DL could be major hurt now. Both DEs will be sub par.

[Don Vito]

That is not good.

[Jvig43]

Doesnt Warren always sit out a bit during pre season with "injuries"?

Edit: Now it looks silly that we didnt try harder to land peppers, Shobel maybe? I feel like hell be expensive tho.

[AntoinCD]

It is aboviously not good when Warren is out, plus he missed most of the offseason program getting his degree. However, and I may be in the minority here, I think Gerard Warren could be good in the system and also offers versatility as he can play both DE and NT as can Wilfork

[FlyingElvis]

Wow - we really can't afford to lose Warren. I hope it's nothing serious.


Schobel would be a nice addition, but there has to be concern about his heatlh & how much he has left. But if Warren will miss time I'd say any help will be worth the chance. I love (hate) Schobel from his time in Buffalo and would be happy giving him a shot.

Didn't he play more of a 4-3 DE during his tmie in Buffalo?

[AntoinCD]

Wow - we really can't afford to lose Warren. I hope it's nothing serious.


Schobel would be a nice addition, but there has to be concern about his heatlh & how much he has left. But if Warren will miss time I'd say any help will be worth the chance. I love (hate) Schobel from his time in Buffalo and would be happy giving him a shot.

Didn't he play more of a 4-3 DE during his tmie in Buffalo?

Yeah and I think his role would be similar to Derrick Burgess' from last year. He's only listed at about 245lbs so should be able to play OLB, however he doesnt have the experience in the system so may only be a situational guy to start off with should he come to New England

[FlyingElvis]

Situational pass rusher it is, then. Fine by me. At least we'd have someone on the roster with proven ability to get to the QB.

[Don Vito]

I've always been a big Schoebel fan, that play he made against us last year in the season opener was ridiculous. I think he could play OLB here or at least be more than a situational pass rusher; he isn't very big but he's athletic, tough, and pretty strong. He always played well against us.

[Jvig43]

The problem would be the money, and with Brady not taken care of, and Mankins killing us by sitting out, Idk how probable it is to get schoebel in here. Unless he wants to play to win at this point in his career, idk how were figuring in a big contract for him with everything else.

[FlyingElvis]

True, and the word on him is it's all about the money. Texans are the front runner and would be an awesome fit for him.

[Razor]

True, and the word on him is it's all about the money. Texans are the front runner and would be an awesome fit for him.

Just imagine... Mario Williams, Antonio Smith, Connor Barwin (I wanted him so bad last year, I was hoping that BB would like him but I digress..) and Aaron Schobel. That would be a nice set of DEs! Schobel would be a better fit there, and for us he wouldn't be anything more than a situational pass rusher. We can use all the help we can get (Murrel got carted off yesterday, yet another OLB injured) but if it's true he wants $7 mill per year I'm fine with not having him.

[Jvig43]

Im pumped for tonight game. Cant wait to get a look at everyone.

[AntoinCD]

Yea I cant wait to get a look at the secondary against the Saints offense and also the goal line offense with the new TEs. Anticipating good results pretty quickly

[BradysKnee]

Bodden is out though eh?

[descendency]

Bodden is out though eh?

Honestly, we know what he is going to give us. I'd rather see the other CBs play.

Butler, McCourty, Wheatley and Wilhite.

I have a feeling this won't be pretty though. . . then again, Drew Brees embarrasses a lot of CBs who garner more respect.

[nepg]

Anyone know if/where I can watch this online? Does WBZ or the Patriots website have a live stream?

[Matthew Jones]

Some things I'll be looking for, and my guesses:

QB - Is Tom Brady's contract situation going to factor into his playing time at all? What kind of job is Brian Hoyer going to do running the offense? Will Zac Robinson get a chance to throw some passes as well?

I'd say no to the first, but Brady will likely sit after one series regardless. I think Hoyer will do a nice job running the offense if the line can hold up, and Zac Robinson might get to throw a couple passes in garbage time.

RB - Who is going to shoulder the load as far as carries are concerned? Will Laurence Maroney make any sort of improvement? How are the Patriots going to use the fullback position, if at all?

I'm guessing based on what I've heard from camp that Fred Taylor will be the starting running back. To be honest I'm not expecting a whole lot out of Maroney this year. I think Sammy Morris might play some fullback but his blocking leaves something to be desired.

WR - Is Wes Welker going to suit up for the game? How will Brandon Tate and Taylor Price look getting some real defenses? Will Torry Holt be able to make some sort of impact?

Seems like Welker should probably sit out but who knows, they might let him come in for a little while. I'm expecting some big things from Tate and Price this year. Holt might be able to get a couple of grabs - I'm rooting for him to make the roster.

TE - Will Aaron Hernandez live up to the hype? What is the role of Rob Gronkowski in the offense right now? Will Alge Crumpler see any work with the starters?

Hernandez seems to have made a big impact in camp and I'd be surprised if he didn't have a pretty nice season this year. Gronkowski should be a beast on third down and in the red zone. I'm thinking Crumpler might make it onto the field often because of how difficult it was for New England to deal with the Saints' pass rush last year.

OL - How is Dan Connolly going to hold up at left guard? Will Dan Koppen be able to hold his ground? Which backups could impress this week?

I thought Connolly did a good job last year and he might be a better replacement for Mankins than people think. I see him as a serviceable player even if he's nothing special. I think Koppen might struggle without Mankins on one side of him, though. George Bussey is one player I've heard has done well so far, and Wendell and Ohrnberger should get some work in at left guard.

DL - Who are the starters going to be at end? Which other players are going to earn some playing time? Will the team use a lot of four man fronts?

I'm expecting Gerard Warren and Damione Lewis to start at the end positions - Warren has me excited this year because word is New England really liked him when he was entering the draft (the year they got sniped on him and chose Seymour.) Mike Wright will probably play pretty substantially, but I'd be surprised if we see much or anything from Ron Brace. I think the team's line is a little too shallow to go to many four-man fronts.

LB - Who is going to start at the outside linebacker spots? Will any of them be able to effectively rush the passer? How are the rotations at ILB going to work?

I expect the starting outside linebackers will be Tully Banta-Cain and Jermaine Cunningham, but it's possible Rob Ninkovich will get the start over Cunningham. New England obviously thought highly of Cunningham to draft him in the second round, so the sooner he wins the starting job the better as far as I'm concerned. I think we'll see Spikes and Mayo as the two linebackers, with Tyrone McKenzie seeing a lot of action as well; Gary Guyton might factor in on passing downs but he doesn't need as much time on the field as Spikes or McKenzie.

DB - Will Terrence Wheatley be able to get on the field and impress? How will the Patriots rotate their safeties? What kind of impact is new defensive backs coach Corwin Brown going to have?

I'm really rooting for Wheatley - I want the Patriots to see their second-round investment pan out and so far the early signs from training camp and the joint practices are good, giving him a real shot at beating out Jonathan Wilhite. I expect we'll see Meriweather and Chung at safety to start, with McGowan and Sanders both getting a lot of time as well. Brown seems like he'll represent a substantial upgrade over Josh Boyer last year.

[nepg]

QB - Tom will play a series and then Hoyer will play through the third quarter. Robinson will get the 4th quarter.

RB - Maroney will try to run hard, but the question is whether he can run hard without getting injured. They've got a nice group at RB if Faulk and 2 others out of Maroney, Taylor, and Morris can stay healthy. I went back and watched clips from the Smith and Dillon days...it'd be nice if Taylor can get healthy...

WR - Welker shouldn't suit up. They have a chance to get the less experienced guys like Tate, Taylor, Holt, and Edelman time with the first team offense. It's not that important for Welker to be out there right now.

TE - Alge should start, especially with the questions along the OL. Gronk should see a good chunk of time, and I expect Hernandez to be on and off the field for the entire 60 minutes.

OL - I think we're going to see some really nice surprises out of the young linemen as they get a chance to show us how they've developed. They have a lot of young players who have been in the system for 2-4 years now. I'm pretty confident in them.

DL - Going to see a lot of bodies at a lot of different positions. Silly to think Wright won't start. I like Lewis and Warren on this defense. Those two veterans will spackle the cracks they showed last year. I wonder if Brace will get any action after having to sit out so much of training camp. We should get a nice look at the young guys, though. Looking forward to see how Weston, Deadrick, Richard, and Pryor perform (and Brace if he gets out there).

OLB - I expect Ninkovich to start. He's more versatile and with New Orleans' passing attack, they'll want to play it fairly safe for the first couple series.

ILB - I can't wait to see how the Pats defend the run and flats with those 4 young ILBs. This season is going to be really fun in the middle of the field.

DB - I expect Corwin to have a huge impact. He's one of the best DB coaches in football, and he's getting to work with young, intelligent DBs - most of whom already have developed a strong work ethic from their short time with the Pats. Wheatley's the only guy he needs to turn around, the rest just need continued guidance. With Bodden out, I can't wait to see what the secondary looks like with all those young DBs...

[Matthew Jones]

Very disappointed that this game isn't on TV, also disappointed that Torry Holt and Jermaine Cunningham won't be playing. Surprised Murrell got the start over Ninkovich but he already got a sack, which is nice. Good return by Edelman too. Per Mike Reiss, Chung started, and the ends were Warren and Wright. Apparently Pats are running 3 TE sets too.

[BradysKnee]

Murrell is playing well. So is Spikes/Chung.
On the TD all 3 TEs were on and blocked great.

Watching now if anyone has questions.

[BradysKnee]

We're getting Pressure!! lol

[descendency]

I'm sorry Brandon... you're a beast inside.

I didn't know the game started at 7:30 :(

BJGE's 3 ypc is embarrassing :/

[BradysKnee]

I love me some Edelman

[Babylon]

What's up with Gronkoswki right now? I could call my brother back in Boston but why spend the quarter.

[FlyingElvis]

Gronk played and did well. He's the inline guy and was effective in the few plays I saw him take part in last night. I didn't see him get targeted with any passes. If he can be effective as a receiver he should be a step up from the underachieving Watson.

[Matthew Jones]

Ty Warren is out for the season with a hip injury according to ESPN. The Patriots have already placed him on injured reserve. We're going to need quite a few people to step up on the line. I'm expecting a nice season from Warren but on the other side we're going to need some combination of Wright/Lewis/Pryor/Brace to produce.

[BeerBaron]

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/08/13/agent-patriots-pull-contract-offer-have-totally-lost-mankins/

I would gladly give you our first round pick for him.

Is what I would say if I were the Bears GM.....in a perfect world....

[descendency]

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/08/13/agent-patriots-pull-contract-offer-have-totally-lost-mankins/

I would gladly give you our first round pick for him.

Is what I would say if I were the Bears GM.....in a perfect world....

OUCH. I'd give you him for a first round pick quite frankly, but I don't think the management will let JA do it.

[BeerBaron]

OUCH. I'd give you him for a first round pick quite frankly, but I don't think the management will let JA do it.

No, they won't, but it would be worlds better than lining up Roberto Garza at LG, as is the current plan. He was barely passable at RG last year in a non-Martz scheme.

Chris Williams and Mankins would hopefully give us a great left side of the line...but alas...

[Bigburt63]

Losing Warren hurts.....wicked bad. I have all but given up hope entirely for getting Mankins back. This season is starting to scare me before it has even started. Yes we have youth and talent in the back 7 and in the "skill" positions on offense, but the 2 lines are lacking some of the top end talent that were there before (Warren, Seymour, Mankins), and have depth issues as well.

[Matthew Jones]

The line depth right now is not looking good on either side of the ball. I'm not all that worried for the beginning of the year, but if someone goes down Bill Belichick is going to face a real challenge. Given that Matt Light went down last year and Stephen Neal generally doesn't play in every game, I'm definitely nervous regarding what the line might look like by the end of the season. Remember, though, this team has won before with weaker offensive lines than this.

[Nalej]

Ty Warren out for the season spells trouble. No way we can cover that up.
G.Warren, Wright, Pryor and Brace better buckle up and man up or we're ******

[descendency]

Interesting observation from ESPN.com Boston:

Patriots WR Darnell Jenkins’ 52-yard catch-and-run was sprung by both a blitz from Saints CB Patrick Robinson as well as a key block by WR Taylor Price on safety Chris Reis. Meanwhile, center Ted Larsen displayed some athleticism, staying ahead of Jenkins to block even 30 yards downfield.

[Matthew Jones]

Interesting observation from ESPN.com Boston:

Patriots WR Darnell Jenkins’ 52-yard catch-and-run was sprung by both a blitz from Saints CB Patrick Robinson as well as a key block by WR Taylor Price on safety Chris Reis. Meanwhile, center Ted Larsen displayed some athleticism, staying ahead of Jenkins to block even 30 yards downfield.

Hopefully this is the year where all those late-round offensive line picks Belichick loves to make pan out. Larsen and Bussey seem to be doing a pretty good job in reserve roles from what I've read, and we need all the help on the line we can get. I shouldn't have to remind everyone of the Clint Oldenburgs, Mike Elgins, and Corey Hilliards from years past.

[nepg]

Well, Oldenburg, Elgin, and Hilliard were taken in a draft where the Pats didn't want to use the draft picks, but were stuck with a ton of comp picks. They had to draft guys that would make it to the PS and maybe develop down the road. They had no roster spots for decent rookies that year.

[Nalej]

Well, Oldenburg, Elgin, and Hilliard were taken in a draft where the Pats didn't want to use the draft picks, but were stuck with a ton of comp picks. They had to draft guys that would make it to the PS and maybe develop down the road. They had no roster spots for decent rookies that year.

I"m glad you knew about who he was talking about 'cause I sure as hell didn't lol

[descendency]

September 8th is "like Christmas" (http://www.bostonherald.com/blogs/sports/rap_sheet/index.php/2010/08/15/bill-belichick-on-tom-bradys-finger-problem-its-not-life-threatening/)

[proshoota25]

my authentic edelman jersey i got last year is looking good right about now :) but spikes is a beast, no one is really talking about mccourty, but he looked very solid out there.

[Nalej]

September 8th is "like Christmas" (http://www.bostonherald.com/blogs/sports/rap_sheet/index.php/2010/08/15/bill-belichick-on-tom-bradys-finger-problem-its-not-life-threatening/)

haha BB's the man. It's not life threatening.

[Don Vito]

Torry Holt out for the year with a knee injury.

[FlyingElvis]

Torry Holt out for the year with a knee injury.

The nice way of saying "You're not going to make the cut." perhaps?

Tough news on Warren. I agree things are getting scary along the O & D lines. We need some young guys to turn into ballers fast.

[BradysKnee]

I'm guessing BB and Holt talked and Holtsaid just put me on IR. I think a Mankins trade might be in the works for something along the OL and a draft pick.

I think we can survive on DL.

[AntoinCD]

Losing Warren definitely hurts but I think it could be a blessing in disguise. It forces some players to step up or get shipped out. Ron Brace now has no choice but to pull the finger out and get to work as he will be given ample opportunities.

One player who I want to watch though is Brandon Deadrick. I have been impressed with him so far

[descendency]

Did anyone see the embarrassment last night? Maybe next year.

[descendency]

Randy Moss would like for me to remind everyone why he is the best WR the NFL has ever seen (save Jerry Rice):

Randy Moss made some ridiculous catches on the other end of Tom Brady passes during 7-on-7 and 11-on-11 activity. Working against a scout team early in practice, Brady went deep to Moss on the right practice field, closest to the fans. Moss separated from the corner and safety trying to guard him and made the catch about 50 yards downfield inside the red zone. Later, in 7-on-7, Brady found Moss down the right sideline in spectacular fashion. Moss was covered, perhaps illegally, by Falcons defensive back Brian Williams, who appeared to be holding Moss’ left arm. As the ball floated toward Moss, he extended his right arm, the nose of the ball falling right into Moss’ palm and staying there. Moss then effortlessly pulled the ball to his body, while Williams still held his other arm, and kept both feet in bounds to complete the catch.

[descendency]

Tedy Bruschi on the Patriots depth and a small message for the ownership:

http://espn.go.com/blog/boston/new-england-patriots/post/_/id/4681741/video-bruschi-on-pats-depth-concerns

[Nalej]

Randy Moss is still the man.
I agree, Mankins needs to be signed

[Razor]

Tedy Bruschi on the Patriots depth and a small message for the ownership:

http://espn.go.com/blog/boston/new-england-patriots/post/_/id/4681741/video-bruschi-on-pats-depth-concerns

I saw it earlier and thought: "What a dick!"

Bruschi ought to shut the Faulk up about these things. Mankins is a child for not taking $7 mill per year, it's just stupid. If you cave in to one guy's moronic demands when is it going to stop? Also, why does Bruschi talk the way he does on TV? It sounds ******* ********.. Talk normally for ***** sake.

[nepg]

I think it's ridiculous that Bruschi would side with Mankins on this. Bruschi knows first hand that the Patriots will pay you if you don't act like a ***** during negotiations. Also, he should well-know that they've already tried to pay Mankins, but the bumpkin won't sign anything they give to him because he feels wronged somehow... Even though the Patriots have more than lived up to what they said they would do for him.

[Nalej]

I'd agree with you guys if this was just a random video blog but this is due to the injuries.
He's essentially saying- we've lost leverage- our depth is too thin- we have to cave in a little bit or be doomed by our own pride this year

[nepg]

Well, they've tried to cave, but Mankins seems serious about not wanting to be a part of the organization anymore.

[Nalej]

**** him then

[nepg]

Wes Welker playing v. Atlanta was/is ridiculous. Seems like the whole team was hitting on all cylinders.

[BradysKnee]

Wes Welker playing v. Atlanta was/is ridiculous. Seems like the whole team was hitting on all cylinders.

I agree, very impressed with the swagger the team is showing now. Hoyer looked very good as well.

[Matthew Jones]

Mankins is gone, now the question becomes "what can we get for him?" I'm hoping for a second-round pick.

[Jvig43]

We can get a first, just call up Mr Davis.

[Nalej]

Love how we looked offensively.
Our intermediate pass defense looked eh though.

[BradysKnee]

Running game was bitchin though.

[Nalej]

Running game was bitchin though.

Yea, that was nice to see. VERY!
Imagine it with Mankins plowing over some guys too... oh, I can dream

[descendency]

Brandon Spikes is outplaying Jerod Mayo. . .

[nepg]

totally picking him up for my fantasy team.

[descendency]

Patriots acquire Quinn Ojinnaka for an undisclosed draft pick.

[Nalej]

Who? (10 char)

[Matthew Jones]

I think he's a versatile offensive lineman. I know he has a few starts under his belt at left tackle from the beginning of his career, but I think he's mostly been a guard the past couple of years. I assume he's insurance for the left guard spot, which is looking a little bit thin. He has some pretty good size too (6'5", 310 or so.)

[Razor]

Great news about Ojinnaka, we needed more depth in the worst way. In other news it appears that Weston will be placed on IR.
http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Kade-Weston-to-be-placed-on-injured-reserve.html

This is classic Bill Belichick, hiding a talented player for a year on IR and giving him a shot next year.

[Jvig43]

"I hate the jets" - Brady. I love this man.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d819f47c8/article/patriots-qb-brady-refuses-to-watch-hbos-hard-knocks?module=HP_headlines (http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d819f47c8/article/patriots-qb-brady-refuses-to-watch-hbos-hard-knocks?module=HP_headlines)

After watching their first two preseason games I cant wait to run all over this team, I'm tired of ryan and his big mouth.

[proshoota25]

a nice smacking by us on the jets would bring a very big smile to my face haha

[FlyingElvis]

awesomeness.