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Splat
05-24-2007, 03:50 PM
http://www.fannation.com/truth_and_rumors/nfl

The Steelers (http://www.fannation.com/tags/show_tag/23) and Ben Roethlisberger (http://www.fannation.com/tags/show_tag/1849)'s agent have had early talks about a contract extension for the young quarterback. While it appears nothing will be done this season, the machinery is gearing up for what should be the largest contract in the organization's history. Roethlisberger's next deal looms large over the organization already and might be one reason they won't or can't pay six-time Pro Bowl guard Alan Faneca (http://www.fannation.com/tags/show_tag/488) enough to keep him here beyond the 2007 season.

Moses
05-24-2007, 03:55 PM
Always important to get your franchise quarterback under contract for the long-term. Once that's settled, the rest of the team-building process is a lot easier.

steelernation77
05-24-2007, 04:00 PM
sounds good, with him and Troy to sign, its clear Faneca will be gone, and I think the team is setting the right priorities

Splat
05-24-2007, 04:03 PM
I would agree but I would wait till after this season to see what he does I know it said that it appears nothing will be done this season which would be a smart move IMO wait it out and then go from there.

bored of education
05-24-2007, 04:03 PM
I love Big Ben personally. He is studly!

I think the Stillers will be a very formidable team this year.

bantx
05-24-2007, 05:02 PM
big ben in a different jersey i can't see it, keep your franchise qb.

fenikz
05-24-2007, 05:06 PM
i dont think he has proven that he is worth a huge contract, if he has a good year though it would help me believe more in him

steelernation77
05-24-2007, 05:07 PM
I love Big Ben personally. He is studly!

I think the Stillers will be a very formidable team this year.

you know, believe it or not, I'm gonna have to agree with you on both counts.

Phrost
05-24-2007, 05:16 PM
Its gonna suck when they realize he literally rode his RBs backs to the SB and that he can't take over a game by himself.

steelernation77
05-24-2007, 05:20 PM
Its gonna suck when they realize he literally rode his RBs backs to the SB and that he can't take over a game by himself.

Whoa you obviously watched alot of the Steelers' playoff run.

I can see why your rep is so terrible.

Phrost
05-24-2007, 05:20 PM
Whoa you obviously watched alot of the Steelers' playoff run.

I can see why your rep is so terrible.

200 posts, wow.

steelernation77
05-24-2007, 05:24 PM
200 posts, wow.

yeah? And you have over a 1,000 since March. Sorry but I don't post exclusively on this site and I don't feel the need to post excessively.

ninerfan
05-24-2007, 05:45 PM
I wouldnt be in a hurry to ink him just yet. He's a good player but that injury and his immaturity to blame others doesnt sit well with me

ks_perfection
05-24-2007, 06:39 PM
Im sure Fanece will love this.

MP123
05-24-2007, 06:42 PM
I think the Steelers need to wait since Roethlisberger can't stay healthy for a full season. They could wind up making a huge mistake. Also, they need to make sure his off field judgment is up to par.

BlindSite
05-24-2007, 07:05 PM
I tend to agree, he's what I'd call a good QB but nothing more. If the kid showed he could carry a team I'd be happy to seem him get a massive contract but really, can he?

I know he's had a few great games, but he's always had a stellar supporting cast.

Hines
05-24-2007, 07:11 PM
i love it =)

give him the big contract

and give troy one too

and we will have three guys (ben, troy, willie) to build around

BlindSite
05-24-2007, 07:13 PM
Polamalu is an interesting player, I think he's overrated, very good, but not as good as some people think.

skinzzfan25
05-24-2007, 07:21 PM
Don't know when Parker's is out, but I'd much rather sign him up to a big deal then Big Ben. If I was their FO, I'd wait till the end of this year before doing anything rash.

Hines
05-24-2007, 07:22 PM
Don't know when Parker's is out, but I'd much rather sign him up to a big deal then Big Ben. If I was their FO, I'd wait till the end of this year before doing anything rash.


they locked him up last off season along wiht taylor

Splat
05-24-2007, 07:48 PM
Polamalu is an interesting player, I think he's overrated, very good, but not as good as some people think.

He is not overrated in my book he is top 3 at his position can take a over a game.

Hines
05-24-2007, 07:52 PM
He is not overrated in my book he is top 3 at his position can take a over a game.




the only thing that leaves him off of not bein past ed reed is that reed has great cover skills while troy doesnt

BlindSite
05-24-2007, 08:18 PM
Polamalu is a liability at times in coverage. Peyton manning goes after him like its nobody's business.

Smooth Criminal
05-24-2007, 08:27 PM
Ben is a much better player than most give him credit for. Everyone says that he never takes over games or carries the team but how many QBs do in their first few years in the league? In Ben's first two seasons he was asked to do very little in terms of throwing the ball. His job was to not throw interceptions and he did it well. When the playoffs hit he got alot more responsibility and handled it very well. He really did carry the Steelers through the games leading up to the Superbowl.

Last year he was going to be given alot more of an opportunity but he was plagued with injuries and the O-line played horribly as well. He was sacked more in one game against the Ravens than he was in the playoffs. Not saying he didn't play bad himself but at the same time the entire blame doesn't belong on him.

With Tomlin and new OC Bruce Arians offense Ben should do better. Alot of the plays will be run out of shotgun forms which Ben has played alot better in. Plus the offense will actually be designed for a runner like Willie instead of Bettis. This offense will feature more spread offense than the Steelers are used to which should help Ben.

I'm expecting Ben to have better stats than usual because of the spread offense and he will have most of the responsibility in the offense. This season will be a major test for him. He's going to have a chance to prove himself as a franchise QB in a new offense built to suit him. If he has another good season he will give himself alot of leverage in negotiations next offseason.

Smooth Criminal
05-24-2007, 08:30 PM
Polamalu is a liability at times in coverage. Peyton manning goes after him like its nobody's business.

Polamalu isn't in coverage very often to even be a liability. Alot of the time he is either blitzing or lined up with the linebackers. It wasn't very often he had deep coverage. Thats something he is probably going to have to improve on if we are to run a full scale Cover 2 eventually. When he has been in coverage he has always been way better in zone than in man though.

princefielder28
05-24-2007, 08:56 PM
Big Ben is the man!

Mr. Stiller
05-24-2007, 09:01 PM
http://www.fannation.com/truth_and_rumors/nfl

The Steelers (http://www.fannation.com/tags/show_tag/23) and Ben Roethlisberger (http://www.fannation.com/tags/show_tag/1849)'s agent have had early talks about a contract extension for the young quarterback. While it appears nothing will be done this season, the machinery is gearing up for what should be the largest contract in the organization's history. Roethlisberger's next deal looms large over the organization already and might be one reason they won't or can't pay six-time Pro Bowl guard Alan Faneca (http://www.fannation.com/tags/show_tag/488) enough to keep him here beyond the 2007 season.

There's just discussions, they're not even in talks yet. And when you get a Franchise QB of Bens capability (Even though people here hate him) you sign him long term.

i dont think he has proven that he is worth a huge contract, if he has a good year though it would help me believe more in him

I have just written off anybody actually getting him credit for his accomplishments. I mean, Philip Rivers had 1 solid season and there were cries of him being the best of the 3 QB's. Eli hasn't but "He passes more" so obviously he gets the rank above Ben.

Ben had 2 solid seasons, 1 really bad one. I don't like getting into hypotheticals, but I would be interested in seeing Eli or Philip have near death experiences, emergency appendectomy's, and see how their season unfolds.

Ben is underrated, mostly because for some reason, a lot of people try to short change his accomplishments because "He had a great defense", but of course it doesn't come into play for other guys (or the fact Rivers had LT and Turner)

Its gonna suck when they realize he literally rode his RBs backs to the SB and that he can't take over a game by himself.

again like above. Who did Rivers ride this year? LT/Turner/Gates. Ben has taken games over by himself. Obviously you didn't see the Denver or Cincinnati game of last post season. I know more than one occasion he made big plays. I expect a big season.

Name me 1 QB that can literally "Take over a game by himself" because unfortunately unless your Mike Vick, you need to utilize your WR's and RB's. God forbid Ben was a leader and made plays, but other guys got the #'s.

Fine, Peyton Manning rode his defense and Joseph Addai/Dominic Rhodes to a Superbowl.

Same with Rivers and LT/Turner.

I tend to agree, he's what I'd call a good QB but nothing more. If the kid showed he could carry a team I'd be happy to seem him get a massive contract but really, can he?

I know he's had a few great games, but he's always had a stellar supporting cast.

Manning has Plaxico, Tiki, Amani Toomer, Brandon Jacobs
Rivers has Gates, LT, Turner
Manning has Addai (Edge/Faulk), Wayne, Harrison, Clark, Utecht and now 1st round pick Gonzalez
Palmer has CJ, Housh, Henry, Johnson, Perry and now Irons

I love my teams players, but it's hard to put our offenses above those.

Ben is well worth that contract.

Don't know when Parker's is out, but I'd much rather sign him up to a big deal then Big Ben. If I was their FO, I'd wait till the end of this year before doing anything rash.

Parker signed last offseason.

CC.SD
05-24-2007, 09:26 PM
I actually think it's a bad idea to give Polamalu a superstar contract; the concussion problem has reared its head a few times, and he's probably worth more in trade than to the team. Don't get me wrong, I love Troy and will never forgive AJ for passing on him in the same offseason we cut Rodney Harrison (his two worst moves rolled into one), but I don't think he's going to be playing into his 30s.

DeathbyStat
05-25-2007, 08:09 AM
Polamalu is a liability at times in coverage. Peyton manning goes after him like its nobody's business.

Yes like when Troy picked him off twice...in the last two games they played against each other.

I'd rather have Troy back then Ben

But honestly what is it with pittsburgh is there any player that isn't viewed as overrated.

CC.SD
05-25-2007, 01:46 PM
Yes like when Troy picked him off twice...in the last two games they played against each other.

I'd rather have Troy back then Ben

But honestly what is it with pittsburgh is there any player that isn't viewed as overrated.

It's probably a direct result of winning the superbowl and then falling flat on their face.

Smooth Criminal
05-25-2007, 01:58 PM
It's probably a direct result of winning the superbowl and then falling flat on their face.

An 8-8 season and missing the playoffs by 1 game is hardly falling flat on their face.

Isn't it funny that the Steelers have an average season and everyone thinks is a horrible year but there are teams like the Browns and Bengals in our division that strive for a .500 record. I remember all the Bengal fans rejoicing when Marvin got them to .500.

But anyway, thats not why everyone says all our players are overrated because they thought everyone was overrated even after going 15-1 and coming back the next year and winning it all. Just seems anyone that plays in Pittsburgh has to be considered overrated if they are given any attention at all.

Take Porter for an example. While he was a Steeler everyone said he was overrated and made him out to be a bad OLB on the end of his career. Then he leaves and everyone says it will be a devastating loss to the Steelers and a great gain for the Dolphins.

Mr. Stiller
05-25-2007, 02:08 PM
An 8-8 season and missing the playoffs by 1 game is hardly falling flat on their face.

Isn't it funny that the Steelers have an average season and everyone thinks is a horrible year but there are teams like the Browns and Bengals in our division that strive for a .500 record. I remember all the Bengal fans rejoicing when Marvin got them to .500.

But anyway, thats not why everyone says all our players are overrated because they thought everyone was overrated even after going 15-1 and coming back the next year and winning it all. Just seems anyone that plays in Pittsburgh has to be considered overrated if they are given any attention at all.

Take Porter for an example. While he was a Steeler everyone said he was overrated and made him out to be a bad OLB on the end of his career. Then he leaves and everyone says it will be a devastating loss to the Steelers and a great gain for the Dolphins.

Exactly.

Don't forget, Bens Rookie season weapons...

Plaxico Burress, Hines Ward, Lee Mays

Oh and these superstars:

Duce Staley, Oliver Ross, Jerame Tuman, Keydrick Vincent...

And we lost Casey Hampton for the season.

Smooth Criminal
05-25-2007, 03:48 PM
Exactly. People said Ben succedd early because of the great offense around him. The right side of the line was horrible and we had no depth at reciever. Plus Even though the recievers were probabl;y the best weapon we had at that point everyone said Ward and Burress were overrated aswell.

So if Ben is only playing good early because he has a good supporting cast, how can that supporting cast also be overrated?

tom
05-26-2007, 12:05 PM
I can't understand why anybody would bash the steelers for signing Ben Roethlisberger to a huge contract.

Take his passer rating last year, 75.4, that's only.3 less than michael vick's career average of 75.7.

His career passer rating, at 87.9 is higher than these guys, oh, and he has a ring...
Air McNair, 83.2 (no rings)
Favre, 85.1 (one ring)
Drew Brees, 87.5 (no rings)
Mark Burnell 84.2 (no rings)
Jeff Garcia 85.4 (no rings)
Matt Hasselbeck 85.1 ( no rings)
McNabb 85.2 (no rings)

Who has better numbers than ben? Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, Daunte Culpepper and Carson Palmer... Oh, and Phillip Rivers has a slightly higher rating, having only started for one season... so that doesn't really count.

So how much should he be payed? As much as Tom Brady or Peyton Manning? of course not, but he should get a contract that reflects how he stands in relation to other nfl QB's.

P-L
05-26-2007, 01:34 PM
Ben had 2 solid seasons, 1 really bad one. I don't like getting into hypotheticals, but I would be interested in seeing Eli or Philip have near death experiences, emergency appendectomy's, and see how their season unfolds.

Ok, you said it yourself. He had two solid seasons and one bad one. Is giving a QB with three years experience, that has only had two "solid" seasons, a large contract extention a good idea?

Smooth Criminal
05-26-2007, 01:48 PM
If your read the article it says they'll be doing it after this season is over so I'm sure how well he plays will play into how long this deal is and how much it is worth.

Mr. Stiller
05-26-2007, 06:47 PM
Ok, you said it yourself. He had two solid seasons and one bad one. Is giving a QB with three years experience, that has only had two "solid" seasons, a large contract extention a good idea?

Yes, Considering his two "Solid" seasons (I think you misinterpreted how I meant solid, I meant it as he played nearly mistake free), he went 15-1/1-1 and 11-5/4-0.

His worst season, he only played bad enough to keep us at 8-8.

So with a Career Stats:

8519yds - 2840yds/season
62.4%
52-43 Td-INT..
87.9 Career QB Rating.