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thebow305
05-27-2007, 08:19 PM
Who's the best when it's all said and done?

JeffSamardzijaIRISH
05-27-2007, 08:26 PM
Even though I'm an FSU fan, I have to go James. He's much bigger, and I think he'll be better than Edge.

SeanTaylorRIP
05-27-2007, 09:04 PM
Even though I'm an FSU fan, I have to go James. He's much bigger, and I think he'll be better than Edge.

Wow better than Edge, I think he's good but better than James would mean MVP type back.

P-L
05-27-2007, 09:58 PM
I think Antone Smith has more potential, but Javarris James is better right now. I have my doubts as to if Smith will ever reach his potential.

Sniper
05-27-2007, 10:24 PM
James. I'm incredibly high on this guy. I think he's got good speed and very good patience

fenikz
05-27-2007, 11:07 PM
James

since when has a fsu rb done anything

jbeans187
05-28-2007, 12:50 AM
Even though I'm an FSU fan, I have to go James. He's much bigger, and I think he'll be better than Edge.

No way he will be better than EDGE, but should have a good year even though he will softening up defenses for Graig Cooper. For Smith it depends on the O line, but he has a much more potential than James if he can beef up

BigJohn98
05-28-2007, 07:14 AM
James

since when has a fsu rb done anything

They're about to start doing stuff this year.

dre1614
05-28-2007, 11:19 AM
Can't wait till Antone shuts people up this year. he is a freak of nature.

4.34 speed, with 34 reps of 225. built like a bowling ball.
5'9" 190lbs.

dre1614
05-28-2007, 11:20 AM
James

since when has a fsu rb done anything

umm Leon Washington, and Antone has better measurables than him.

and Antone still has 2 more years left to get even better.

-black
05-28-2007, 06:50 PM
James easily right now. But I'm more than satisfied with Tone. If he can get to around 200 pounds and keep his 4.3-4.4 speed then I could see him as a Travis Henry type back at the next level or maybe even a Frank Gore type. I'm really excited about what he will do this year with our new coaches. We have always had a top back out of HS (Booker, Leon, Minor, Maddox, all five star players) but because of poor OL play the past few seasons along with injuries and bad scheme they have not met all potential in college. FSU will run the ball more this season, and Tone will be the feature back. He has a chance to become a special FSU back.

James on the other hand, I have no doubts that he will be one of the best backs in College Football this season.

dcarey20
05-30-2007, 04:08 PM
Javarris easily. He's going to be the next great Miami tailback.

thebow305
06-02-2007, 06:16 PM
come on lets get some more responses here.... 285 views... only 11 responses, only 30 votes.... me and my buddy are having a huge debate over this.... I know javarris is better, i just want to know what everyone else thinks!

fenikz
06-03-2007, 04:00 AM
umm Leon Washington, and Antone has better measurables than him.

and Antone still has 2 more years left to get even better.

since when do measurable make a player?

i think you actually have to do stuff to be considered good

Washington = 2534 total yards in 4 years
Antone = 843 total yards in 2 years (not starting)
James = 1002 total yards in freshman season

Its all about The U
06-03-2007, 02:44 PM
this isn't close James wins

-black
06-03-2007, 02:50 PM
I dont think James is neccesarily more "talented" than Antone. But so far (key phrase) he has been the more succesful and proven back. This year will be more of a tell all

Green Bay Scat
06-06-2007, 08:40 PM
whos this Antone? lol

-black
06-06-2007, 08:57 PM
whos this Antone? lol

number 1 all purpose RB from a few years ago and five star recruit....had a very good soph year before injury

what interesting to note is that had Antone went to Miami (he was perceived as a Cane lock but shocked on Signing Day) I believe he would be the starter over James....or would have at least started the 2006 season as the starting RB and he would be the starter going into the 2007 season

take it for what you want

remix 6
06-06-2007, 09:04 PM
number 1 all purpose RB from a few years ago and five star recruit....had a very good soph year before injury

what interesting to note is that had Antone went to Miami (he was perceived as a Cane lock but shocked on Signing Day) I believe he would be the starter over James....or would have at least started the 2006 season as the starting RB and he would be the starter going into the 2007 season

take it for what you want

i still remember the Noel Devine video that sort of made fun of Smith

it went like: Why did Smith decide not to go to Miami? .... because no 1 wants to be a backup their junior or senior year(forget which) and then it showed the amazing Devine highlights

sodar21
06-06-2007, 11:10 PM
Florida State hasn't had a 1000 yard rusher since Warrick Dunn.

-black
06-07-2007, 12:15 AM
Florida State hasn't had a 1000 yard rusher since Warrick Dunn.

true, but very often is a misleading stat

although they did not have 1,000 yard rushers they still consistently had a top 5 offense in the country year in and year out (and top rated passing attack). They liked to use multiple scat back types instead of one bruiser.

also, Greg Jones would have went over 1,000 in 2002 but got injured with a few games left in the season (I believe he was at 991 yards or something)

Leon Washington and Lorenzo Booker both had over 800 yards in 2004 and Leon would have went over 1,000 had it not been for injuries.

Its a true stat, but aside for the past two years its very misleading because FSU's run game has been good. Guys have been good all around all purpose backs....with Jimbo though I do expect more of an emphasis on the run game

dware_94
06-08-2007, 07:38 PM
both are good...but i think smith has more potential and will better in the future

StaticGator
06-10-2007, 10:05 AM
James has shown that he wants it more. He wasn't a heralded recruit and beat out a lot of highly rated prospects to be the man. I want my running back to show that level of desire to be better than his competition on his team and thus to want to fight for every yard in a game. Smith has been ok but doesn't have much competition and hasn't really stood out to me. Plus with both teams' offensive lines being sorry, I'll take the bigger, more powerful back who won't go down on first contact.

BigJohn98
06-10-2007, 11:01 AM
James has shown that he wants it more. He wasn't a heralded recruit and beat out a lot of highly rated prospects to be the man. I want my running back to show that level of desire to be better than his competition on his team and thus to want to fight for every yard in a game. Smith has been ok but doesn't have much competition and hasn't really stood out to me. Plus with both teams' offensive lines being sorry, I'll take the bigger, more powerful back who won't go down on first contact.

What makes you think James wants it more than Antone? Miami would actually stay commited to running the ball during the coarse of a game. If it wasn't working for us, we'd give it up and just throw the damn ball for the rest of the game. That's why you never saw Antone do anything, plus he wasn't the starter. He's been poorley coached while being at Florida State, and that has changed now. I guess you haven't read any of the Florida State message boards at all during spring practices. Smith hits the hole now. He doesn't sit in the backfield and wait. And he doesn't exactly go down if someone lays a finger on him either.

Now you're about to see what Antone Smith can do this season. He will LEAD THE ACC IN RUSHING this season. Mark it down.

-black
06-10-2007, 11:40 AM
James has shown that he wants it more. He wasn't a heralded recruit and beat out a lot of highly rated prospects to be the man. I want my running back to show that level of desire to be better than his competition on his team and thus to want to fight for every yard in a game. Smith has been ok but doesn't have much competition and hasn't really stood out to me. Plus with both teams' offensive lines being sorry, I'll take the bigger, more powerful back who won't go down on first contact.

very ignorant post right here.

Oh yeah, Tone actually did win the starting spot against Western Michigan and was going to start against Florida. Booker was moved to WR. Antone got injured, which resulted in Booker starting again. 450 yards as a backup with a horrible OL, horrible scheme and OC, and less than 100 carries is pretty good considering the for-mentioned. You can pick James and i'd have no problem with that. But to say because "James wants is more" is rediculously dumb which nothing to base that on.

oh and James beat out a lot of highly rated prospects? Sure he became the starter, but who else would they have gone to? He got early PT because Moss got suspended, not because he "wanted it more" than those guys. Its not like he beat out any proven players, or anyone who has proven to be better than Booker (3rd round pick)

Miami:
Kylan Robinson 4-star (zero experience)
Charlie Jones 4-star (hasnt done anything)
Derron Thomas 3-star (backup type RB)
Tyrone Moss 4-star (injuries/suspensions undrafted FA)

FSU:
Booker 5-star (3rd round pick...a few yards away from being the 2nd Nole ever with 2,000 yards rushing and 2,000 receiving)
Jammal Edwards 4-star (hasnt done anything)
Marcus Sims 4-star (hasnt done anything)
Russell Ball 4-star (speedster that has been injured)

I mean its not like James beat out "all world RB's" and Antone did not beat out anybody when he worked his way into the starting lineup

StaticGator
06-10-2007, 01:17 PM
Wow could you two be any bigger homers? So I should trust FSU message boards for which players are good? I'm sure it will be very fair analysis.

-black
06-10-2007, 01:19 PM
Wow could you two be any bigger homers? So I should trust FSU message boards for which players are good? I'm sure it will be very fair analysis.

homer? after I gave you 100% facts and you gave a false opinated hate post which can be backed by nothing? I already said I would pick James at this point, but your post was null and void because it made zero sense. "James wanted it more"..."James beat out better players than Antone"

not true or proven....now disprove my previous post or retrack and resort to namecalling like you just did

draftguru151
06-10-2007, 03:10 PM
BigJohn was being a bit of a homer.

James came in as a true freshman and took the job from a returning starter that was a junior. Charlie Jones did do something, he did very well after Moss was injured in 05. That really doesn't mean anything, but Jones had done something in his career.

-black
06-10-2007, 03:21 PM
Jones still is not better than Booker and the "great competition" James beat out is no better than what Smith had to beat out at FSU....pick James for the right reasons, but made up reasons that are meant to diss Antone as a player (and character guy, like he doesnt want it and is just hype) causes me to lash out

he called me a homer though....

StaticGator
06-10-2007, 03:55 PM
Here's what I'm saying. James came in as a 4 star prospect, but there was little or no hype around him. It was almost like a favor to the family. I don't remember reading any pre-season reports about him being the man. He had to compete with Tyrone Moss (4 star back from 2003), Charlie Jones (5 star from 2004), Bobby Washington (4 star from 2004), Andrew Johnson (4 star from 2004), LeSean McCoy (5 star from 2006), and Kylan Robinson (4 star from 2006). I know at least one of them didn't make it in or transferred so spare me. Basically James was just a guy with any number of players who were at least as heralded as him who could have won the job but he got it done and wouldn't be taken out of a game. Antone Smith is clearly the highest profile back on the FSU roster so it's not hard to think he wouldn't get every opportunity to be the man. And I really don't want to hear what a great player Lorenzo Booker was because he was a 3rd round draft pick. He only got drafted there because he ran fast at the combine. His college career cannot be looked at as anything less than a bust.

And black, homerism is saying 1.) How great Booker was that he kept Smith on the bench, 2.) how horrible the offensive line was, and 3.) how horrible the coaching was. #2 and #3 may be the case, but at this point we don't know whether his pedestrian production was truly limited by those factors or whether he's just an average player. Saying anything more is just wishful thinking and sticking up for your guys.

-black
06-10-2007, 04:15 PM
Here's what I'm saying. James came in as a 4 star prospect, but there was little or no hype around him. It was almost like a favor to the family. I don't remember reading any pre-season reports about him being the man. He had to compete with Tyrone Moss (4 star back from 2003), Charlie Jones (5 star from 2004), Bobby Washington (4 star from 2004), Andrew Johnson (4 star from 2004), LeSean McCoy (5 star from 2006), and Kylan Robinson (4 star from 2006). I know at least one of them didn't make it in or transferred so spare me. Basically James was just a guy with any number of players who were at least as heralded as him who could have won the job but he got it done and wouldn't be taken out of a game. Antone Smith is clearly the highest profile back on the FSU roster so it's not hard to think he wouldn't get every opportunity to be the man. And I really don't want to hear what a great player Lorenzo Booker was because he was a 3rd round draft pick. He only got drafted there because he ran fast at the combine. His college career cannot be looked at as anything less than a bust.

And black, homerism is saying 1.) How great Booker was that he kept Smith on the bench, 2.) how horrible the offensive line was, and 3.) how horrible the coaching was. #2 and #3 may be the case, but at this point we don't know whether his pedestrian production was truly limited by those factors or whether he's just an average player. Saying anything more is just wishful thinking and sticking up for your guys.

maybe you just dont follow recruting or college football. But he had plenty of "hype" around him. He and Shields were the talk in pre-season as possible stars. And yes, 3 of the backs your mentioned are no longer on Miami, so why bring them up? Its like me saying Antone had to compete with Greg Jones or something.


Antone Smith is clearly the highest profile back on the FSU roster

actually Booker was

He only got drafted there because he ran fast at the combine

really? most felt he ran a "slower" 40 time then what he was expected to run. He almost ran a 4.5 when he was expected to be in the 4.3 range. He got drafted in the 3rd round because he is a good third down NFL type back with elite hands.

His college career cannot be looked at as anything less than a bust

when considering he was ranked higher as a prospect (ratings wise, i know they came out in different years) than Reggie Bush than yes. Like I said though, he still quitely ran his way into FSU record books (2nd all time in the 2000/2000 club)

How great Booker was that he kept Smith on the bench

I never said he was "great". But he certainly was a better option than anything on Miami's roster (Jones, Thomas, or Moss).

but at this point we don't know whether his pedestrian production was truly limited by those factors or whether he's just an average player. Saying anything more is just wishful thinking and sticking up for your guys

actually its not, I seen with my own two eyes how the production dropped. Let me give you a little history lesson

2004, the Noles have a good OL (Alex Barron is on the team) and a decent OL coach

Booker as a backup ran for 877 yards. Easily would have eccliped 1,000 if he did not backup Leon Washington (who is a better RB han Booker)

2005, McHale is hired, and a new zone blocking scheme is implemented with bad fits on the OL.

Leon Washington (a player who nearly had 1,000 yards himself in 2004) struggled to do anything behind the hideous line and coaching. Booker suffered the same fate (progressed numbers wise).

2006, more of the same

2007, both coaches gone

so no its not speculation. His numbers steadily decreased (and Leon's) once the OL went bad and the coaching got worse. Those are the factors that held him back (evidently seen by Leon his rookie year as he played much better than his numbers looked in college)

any RB or QB playing in FSU's system the past few years have been held back. Its not a coicident the problems for the offense started the very year Jeff Bowden took over....and thats a fact

and like I said, i dont see how James beating out Jones, Thomas, and a injured/suspended Moss is any more impressive than Smith beating out Booker, Sims (Rivals 100 member), and Edwards (Rivals 100 member).

draftguru151
06-10-2007, 04:18 PM
I'm pretty sure Booker was the #3 prospect in the country out of high school.

Wow, saying FSU's OL and coaching was bad was homerism for FSU? I guess I'm a FSU homer then. You can watch FSU and see how bad the OL is, and the fact that FSU threw the ball that much is ridiculous.

StaticGator
06-10-2007, 04:21 PM
I'm pretty sure Booker was the #3 prospect in the country out of high school.

Wow, saying FSU's OL and coaching was bad was homerism for FSU? I guess I'm a FSU homer then. You can watch FSU and see how bad the OL is, and the fact that FSU threw the ball that much is ridiculous.

I know Booker was an elite prep prospect.

It's a chicken and egg situation. Just because FSU's line sucks, does it necesarily mean their backs are amazing? Just because Michael Vick's receivers suck, does it mean he's a good quarterback?

-black
06-10-2007, 04:27 PM
I'm pretty sure Booker was the #3 prospect in the country out of high school.

Wow, saying FSU's OL and coaching was bad was homerism for FSU? I guess I'm a FSU homer then. You can watch FSU and see how bad the OL is, and the fact that FSU threw the ball that much is ridiculous.

Booker only got 15 carries in a game twice in 2006.

the UCLA game showed what could happen when he gets his touches

100 yards rushing (he ended the game with 90 something because we called two toss plays which got negative yardage) and 100 yards receiving.

i'd be amazed how we'd run the ball like 5 times in one half and throw it 25 times

-black
06-10-2007, 04:31 PM
I know Booker was an elite prep prospect.

It's a chicken and egg situation. Just because FSU's line sucks, does it necesarily mean their backs are amazing? Just because Michael Vick's receivers suck, does it mean he's a good quarterback?

no it doesnt, and nobody said it. Just because James beat out three backs , does it mean he wanted it more than Antone (who ironically also beat out 3 backs)?

dre1614
06-14-2007, 08:30 AM
2005:

Leon Washington -
97 carries, 430 yards, 4.4 average, 26 long, 3 td's

Lorenzo Booker -
119 carries, 552 yards, 4.6 average, 58 long, 4 td's

Antone Smith -
36 carries, 188 yards, 5.2 average, 45 long, 3 td's



2006:

Lorenzo Booker -
143 carries, 616 yards, 4.3 average, 34 long, 4 td's

Antone Smith -
88 carries, 456 yards, 5.2 average, 80 long, 5 td's





Antone Smith total so far

124 carries, 644 yards, 5.2 average, 80 long, 8 td's








IMo

i think he will have around

1000 yards, 6.3 average, 79 long, and 13 td's this coming year