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paladin
05-28-2007, 09:59 AM
Alright, draft is over.

All the build up and hype is over. Scouts and fans always harp about how such and such player has prototypical size for their position. Or how the CB is undersized against the competition in the NFL. So, the question is, does size matter? Does size play a significant factor in the productivity or success of an NFL player?

skinzzfan25
05-28-2007, 10:13 AM
Ask London Fletcher / Zach Thomas / MJD / Warrick Dunn.

If your lacking in size, usually they are even better in something else (i.e. speed, strength, leadership)

HB Blades dropped to the 6th cause of his size, but that doesn't take away his nose for the football.

regoob2
05-28-2007, 10:17 AM
look at mario williams he went #1 overall. his production didnt warrent it his size and potential did. size and speed can make up for a lot of other shortcomings.

EdReedUnstoppable
05-28-2007, 10:33 AM
Size only matters in 1 department of life, and from what Ive been told many times 3 inches is very big..........girls are friggin liars when they luv ya!

nobodyinparticular
05-28-2007, 11:11 AM
Alright, draft is over.

All the build up and hype is over. Scouts and fans always harp about how such and such player has prototypical size for their position. Or how the CB is undersized against the competition in the NFL. So, the question is, does size matter? Does size play a significant factor in the productivity or success of an NFL player?

Ask Keyshawn about a 5'10" Fabian Washington outjumping him in 2005.

senormysterioso
05-28-2007, 11:18 AM
Ask London Fletcher / Zach Thomas / MJD / Warrick Dunn.

If your lacking in size, usually they are even better in something else (i.e. speed, strength, leadership)

HB Blades dropped to the 6th cause of his size, but that doesn't take away his nose for the football.


Those guys are more the exception than the rule. Guys like Darren Sproles who are fast as lightning but small and frail limp off the field everytime they get hit.

regoob2
05-28-2007, 11:24 AM
leonard davis went #2 overall cause of his size. hes had a mediocre career and still got another 50 mill. size is obviously the only explanation for that.

iloxygenil
05-28-2007, 12:07 PM
Size matters for football that's for sure. I mean you can't coach it, it's like speed, you can't coach speed. Most of these guys have the ability and it's just a coach that is arrogant enough to pay big money for a guy who has never really had a great career, but they think they can fix whatever is wrong with the guy, like the other coaches were too stupid. So size has a huge effect, but guys like Warrick, and Thomas are the exceptions and not the rule, not to mention the fact that those 2 positions don't really care about size AS much.

neko4
05-28-2007, 12:12 PM
I guess this the place where I can say:
Garrett Wolfe will have a good career
His ability, talent, and strength will make up for his size. Plus he could put on more weight if he wanted too.

BLACKnGOLD
05-28-2007, 12:36 PM
size really helps- special players can overcome being undersized.

zoinks
05-28-2007, 01:10 PM
Generally speaking, the size that matters most is the size of the guy's heart.

Barry Sanders - 5'8""
Walter Payton - 5'10"
Emmitt Smith - 5'10"

Poor guys never stood a chance against those huge defensive linemen, huh? :rolleyes:

Bob Sanders - 5'8"
Pacman Jones - 5'9"

These guys routinely shut down WR's who are a good 6-10" taller.

IMO, the only area where size is truly a factor is up front, in the trenches. When two guys are going mano y mano, and are playing with good technique, the bigger guy is going to win most of the time.

GB12
05-28-2007, 01:15 PM
Generally speaking, the size that matters most is the size of the guy's heart.

Barry Sanders - 5'8""
Walter Payton - 5'10"
Emmitt Smith - 5'10"

Poor guys never stood a chance against those huge defensive linemen, huh? :rolleyes:

Bob Sanders - 5'8"
Pacman Jones - 5'9"

These guys routinely shut down WR's who are a good 6-10" taller.

IMO, the only area where size is truly a factor is up front, in the trenches. When two guys are going mano y mano, and are playing with good technique, the bigger guy is going to win most of the time.
It matters for certain positions. RB is not one of them, infact it's actually an advantage to be shoter.

cunningham06
05-28-2007, 01:33 PM
Where size really does matter for the most part is pass rushing DE's. Dwight Freeney of course is the exception to this rule. Generally great pass rushing DE's have to have decent height, at least around 6'3 or 6'4. Smaller guys often don't have that much success.

regoob2
05-28-2007, 01:39 PM
Generally speaking, the size that matters most is the size of the guy's heart.

Barry Sanders - 5'8""
Walter Payton - 5'10"
Emmitt Smith - 5'10"

Poor guys never stood a chance against those huge defensive linemen, huh? :rolleyes:

Bob Sanders - 5'8"
Pacman Jones - 5'9"

These guys routinely shut down WR's who are a good 6-10" taller.

IMO, the only area where size is truly a factor is up front, in the trenches. When two guys are going mano y mano, and are playing with good technique, the bigger guy is going to win most of the time.

pacman is listed at 5'10 but anyway who does pacman routinely play against thats 6'4 to 6'8" size matters in every position. theres an ideal height and weight for every position.

cunningham06
05-28-2007, 01:47 PM
pacman is listed at 5'10 but anyway who does pacman routinely play against thats 6'4 to 6'8" size matters in every position. theres an ideal height and weight for every position.

Agreed, most corners are 5'10.

islandboy843
05-28-2007, 02:03 PM
He does play against Jacksonville WR. Nuff said

Eaglez.Fan
05-28-2007, 02:07 PM
Of course size matters. Yes there are casses which the players heart makes up for the size, but if size didn't matter then why wasn't Troy Smith a 1st or 2nd round pick? Why wasn't Chris Leak drafted? Why was Calvin Johnson regarded as the best prospect this year, and why did all these undersized guys, fall so far in the draft. NFL teams know what they're doing.

jbeans187
05-28-2007, 02:14 PM
For lineman size is huge, the taller you are the longer your arms are, which allow for more reach. Also a fast and tall wr can be unstoppable in single coverage even if he lacks intangibles like route running which the smaller and slower players use to make up for their physical shortcomings.

jayceheathman
05-28-2007, 02:23 PM
Height can always help in the draft. Just look at Calais Campbell. That kid is a massive 6'8. Although, it doesnt mean you still cant be successful in the NFL. DeMeco Ryans was listed as "too short" and look what he did last year. He probably fell to the 2nd round because of his height difference.

ncstateviking
05-28-2007, 02:53 PM
there are hall of famers who are undersized, and there are giants who cant even get on the feild. but, in general, size matters incredibly. sure zack thomas has heart and a mind for MLB. but you dont think he would be even better in say...urlachers body?

neko4
05-28-2007, 02:59 PM
Of course size matters. Yes there are casses which the players heart makes up for the size, but if size didn't matter then why wasn't Troy Smith a 1st or 2nd round pick? Why wasn't Chris Leak drafted? Why was Calvin Johnson regarded as the best prospect this year, and why did all these undersized guys, fall so far in the draft. NFL teams know what they're doing.

Why was Garrett Wolfe a 3rd round pick?

reese
05-28-2007, 03:37 PM
Why was Garrett Wolfe a 3rd round pick?

he went to NIU...that had some to do with it...but the size was alot to

TitanHope
05-28-2007, 04:25 PM
Pac Man's almost 5'10, which is why he's listed as that on many sites. He may be around 5'9 3/4 or something like that. He'll tell everyone that he's 5'10 though. Its likely an ego thing.

And Pac doesn't "routinely" play against 6'5 WR's, but the point was that the height doesn't make that much of a difference. Pac is very fast, and is such a good leaper that he can help handicap the taller receiver in his height advantage. Also, Jacksonville's WR's average around 6'4 or so. Andre Johnson is 6'3, which is a 5 inch difference.

I'll throw in Steve Smith for the "size doesn't matter" discussion.

sweetness34
05-28-2007, 05:08 PM
I about fell out of my chair after reading the title.

TitanHope
05-28-2007, 05:11 PM
Hit ya that close to home, eh Sweetness? ;)

sweetness34
05-28-2007, 05:12 PM
Hit ya that close to home, eh Sweetness? ;)

Yup, because I'm friggin huge!

Sniper
05-28-2007, 05:16 PM
I think size and measurables only go so far. When Chris Henry, 6'2, 230 lbs, 4.3 speed, and 3.3 ypc gets picked in the second round, it may be time to calm down on the size issue

sweetness34
05-28-2007, 05:17 PM
I think size and measurables only go so far. When Chris Henry, 6'2, 230 lbs, 4.3 speed, and 3.3 ypc gets picked in the second round, it may be time to calm down on the size issue

Not when you have serious character issues. That tends to make a player fall. (Randy Moss, Warren Sapp, etc)

stephenson86
05-29-2007, 07:08 AM
I think size and measurables only go so far. When Chris Henry, 6'2, 230 lbs, 4.3 speed, and 3.3 ypc gets picked in the second round, it may be time to calm down on the size issue

hell be a top 5 RB eventually IMO

Shiver
05-29-2007, 11:41 AM
Of course it matters. A lot, actually. Bringing up a handful of exceptions doesn't prove anything.

stephenson86
05-29-2007, 12:34 PM
Put it this way

Two players with EXACTLY the same skill set, they are carbon copies of each other in everyway.

They play RB, one in 5ft 9 190

the other is 6ft 2 235

remember EVERYTHING about them other than their size is the same, EVERYTHING

who is going to be the better back, break more tackles and move the pile and be more successful?

Vikes99ej
05-29-2007, 12:38 PM
God, I got scared after seeing the title and the user who posted it.

EdReedUnstoppable
05-29-2007, 12:38 PM
Put it this way

Two players with EXACTLY the same skill set, they are carbon copies of each other in everyway.

They play RB, one in 5ft 9 190

the other is 6ft 2 235

remember EVERYTHING about them other than their size is the same, EVERYTHING

who is going to be the better back, break more tackles and move the pile and be more successful?

Who is gonna be more elusive and be able to get through holes that weren't opened as wide?

stephenson86
05-29-2007, 12:43 PM
Who is gonna be more elusive and be able to get through holes that weren't opened as wide?

me? (10 cha)

Addict
05-29-2007, 01:15 PM
Who is gonna be more elusive and be able to get through holes that weren't opened as wide?

ehm... after reading the thread title and of course interpreting it the wrong way... that seems like a case for
http://www.mundinhos.com/port/imgport/Buttman-todas-as-linguas.gif

oh regarding the thread title: it's not the size that matters, it's how you use it yeah, right

M.O.T.H.
05-29-2007, 01:18 PM
Dat Nguyen.

stephenson86
05-29-2007, 01:36 PM
ehm... after reading the thread title and of course interpreting it the wrong way... that seems like a case for
http://www.mundinhos.com/port/imgport/Buttman-todas-as-linguas.gif

oh regarding the thread title: it's not the size that matters, it's how you use it yeah, right

not the size of the boat but the motion in the ocean

awfullyquiet
06-13-2007, 05:33 AM
haha. yes.
wow. that was 10 chars anyways.

of course it matters.
do you want 300 lb guards or 330 lb guards who can move at the same speed?

Paranoidmoonduck
06-13-2007, 05:56 AM
Of course it matters. A lot, actually. Bringing up a handful of exceptions doesn't prove anything.

This.

You can list all the remarkably tiny players who have been successful at the pro level, but the point is that such a feat is remarkable to begin with.

BlindSite
06-13-2007, 07:35 AM
Like most things, its not size, but how you use it;

Caddy
06-13-2007, 08:14 AM
he went to NIU...that had some to do with it...but the size was alot to

I think Neko meant the opposite of what you were saying. I don't think anyone was expecting Wolfe to go day 1 yet he did despite the competition he played and despite his 'shortcomings'.

ninerfan
06-13-2007, 05:24 PM
Like most things, its not size, but how you use it;

all important is where you stick it

Damix
06-13-2007, 05:29 PM
Of course it matters. A lot, actually. Bringing up a handful of exceptions doesn't prove anything.



Bingo, size matters. Period.

If you want to say size isn't everything, then thats fine, but yes, size matters a lot.

255979119
06-13-2007, 10:28 PM
all important is where you stick it

I hope you don't plan on using the "back door"

BuckNaked
06-13-2007, 10:31 PM
Who is gonna be more elusive and be able to get through holes that weren't opened as wide?

ERU, that almost sounds dirty.

255979119
06-13-2007, 10:41 PM
ERU, that almost sounds dirty.

I believe that was the intention.

EdReedUnstoppable
06-14-2007, 04:23 AM
It was the intention to sound dirty, but also true when you look at the context of the convo!

HoopsDemon12
06-14-2007, 07:54 PM
i cannot help but laugh when i read this thread

KILLERSANTA
06-14-2007, 08:26 PM
If your to big you may not get in the hole.

HoopsDemon12
06-14-2007, 08:41 PM
If your to big you may not get in the hole.

unless the whole is the grand canyon size... then its hard not to fit

KILLERSANTA
06-14-2007, 08:45 PM
unless the whole is the grand canyon size... then its hard not to fit

Unless your talking about someone like me. I'm pretty Big......

Staubach12
06-15-2007, 09:43 AM
To an extent, yes. You have to have good enough bulk in the NFL. Prime example being Brodie Croyle. Even though he hasn't even played yet, we all know he's going to get hurt because he's way too small. As far as height, that's a bit overrated.