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diabsoule
11-26-2006, 09:03 PM
After the NY Giants loss today, Coughlin during the press conference critized his quarterback Eli Manning for his decision to try and make a play and throw the ball instead of throwing it away when there seemed to be no one open. This criticsm comes after Coughlin had reprimanded Tiki Barber for airing the teams dirty laundry to the media. Barber's criticsm was not the first of this season as previously he and Jeremy Shockey sharply criticized Coughlin after their shellacking by the Seattle Seahawks in week 3.

The reason for this post is that I think that if Coughlin can't right this ship and start getting the Giants back on the winning track that he will be fired at the end of the season. The team seems to be falling apart with players criticizing Coughling and vise-versa.

What do you guys think?

Windy
11-26-2006, 09:05 PM
fire him and the whole coaching staff

The Unseen
11-26-2006, 09:08 PM
Should he? No.

Will he? ...no.

bearsfan_51
11-26-2006, 09:09 PM
Eh....I'm not big on firing coaches on an impluse. They won the division just a year ago. I'd give him another year, and I don't even like Coughlin.

11-26-2006, 09:09 PM
Jack Del Rio>Tom Coughlin

TPFKA#1SaintsFan
11-26-2006, 09:10 PM
If they finish under .500, I'd fire him. I think he's starting to lose control over the team. I don't think his players respect him, nor do I think he respects the players.

diabsoule
11-26-2006, 09:14 PM
If they finish under .500, I'd fire him. I think he's starting to lose control over the team. I don't think his players respect him, nor do I think he respects the players.

Exactly the point I was trying to get across when I posted this topic. I think when that happens you have to let a coach go.

Number 10
11-26-2006, 09:17 PM
I want him out if this team does not finish with 9 wins at the very least. Meaning, if he does not finish 3-2 over the next 5 weeks, peace out.

Number 10
11-26-2006, 09:18 PM
Jack Del Rio>Tom Coughlin

Fix your sig.

11-26-2006, 09:21 PM
Jack Del Rio>Tom Coughlin

Fix your sig. :cry:

Number 10
11-26-2006, 10:19 PM
Jack Del Rio>Tom Coughlin

Fix your sig. :cry:

What's wrong?

Flyboy
11-26-2006, 10:41 PM
If they finish under .500, I'd fire him. I think he's starting to lose control over the team. I don't think his players respect him, nor do I think he respects the players.

Exactly the point I was trying to get across when I posted this topic. I think when that happens you have to let a coach go.

Jim Mora Jr. should be fired as well then.

diabsoule
11-26-2006, 11:08 PM
If they finish under .500, I'd fire him. I think he's starting to lose control over the team. I don't think his players respect him, nor do I think he respects the players.

Exactly the point I was trying to get across when I posted this topic. I think when that happens you have to let a coach go.

Jim Mora Jr. should be fired as well then.

Definately.

I think for sure there's going to be three coaches fired this year: Coughlin, Denny Green, and little Jimmy Mora. Possibly a fourth in Art Shell.

swagger
11-26-2006, 11:12 PM
I think Coughlin should be fired, even if the Giants CAN regroup. He has shown a propensity for his team being wildly inconsistent while vastly underachieving. He has shown that he cannot fill his coaching staff with quality guys. Hufnagel and Coughlin have been a joke in the development of Eli. Tim Lewis is a complete joke. Also, the Giants have more players questioning the coaches than probably any other players in the NFL, combined. That really tells ya something.

Coughlin did a nice job righting the ship from what NY Giant Football had become, but I think he has fulfilled his shelf life in NY regardless of what happens the rest of the season (barring unforeseen miracle).

cunningham06
11-26-2006, 11:16 PM
My problem with Coughlin is that he won't admit when he's wrong. When players say they were outplayed and outcoach like Tiki in the playoffs last season and Shockey after the Seahawks Coughlin makes a huge deal out of it and tries to point the finger at the players not playing up to par. If you get 40 points scored on you that quickly like the Seahawks did and you get blown out in the playoffs like that, then face it YOU GOT OUTCOACHED you can blame most of it on the players but when you get owned in such magnitude some of the blame lies on the coach's shoulders.

062704
11-26-2006, 11:24 PM
I think he should go because there clearly isn't any respect between coaches and player. I recall an exchange over the summer between fans and Michael Strahan during training camp where he was asked to stop for autographs and he looked at the group annoyed and asked " you gonna pay my fine if I do stop?" ....I think clearly he created a big rift right out the gates with the ridiculous fines and such that these guys never really got over. But how they've handled Eli alone if reason enough to can the entire staff. You invested so much in Eli Manning that it's a duty now to see to it that you get coaches in the fold capable of getting the most out of him, which you don't have now.

bigbluedefense
11-27-2006, 10:37 AM
Ive never been a fan of Tom Coughlin. He is a horrible in game manager (ala Herm Edwards) and is not a great Xs and Os guy. He is strictly a disciplinarian.

The entire coaching staff stinks. Tim Lewis is a moron, and Huffnagel is an absolute idiot. Ok its 3rd and 2 in the 4th quarter, youre up 21-7, and you go EMPTY SET? ON 3RD AND 2 YOU GO EMPTY SET? That sums up our playcalling in a nutshell.

Tom Coughlin refuses to adjust his playbook and his style to fit his players. He consistently talks about "execution" but refuses to adjust his style so his players can execute better. Thats horrible coaching. If you have Chad Pennington, you don't build Air Coryell around him. And Coughlin refuses to adjust his playbook to help Eli develop. This is the biggest issue I have with him. He has done a horrible job developing Eli. He threw him to the wolves right away, and refuses to help him out with adjustments. Its no coincidence that everyone rips him after losses.

The Unseen
11-27-2006, 10:41 AM
Eh....I'm not big on firing coaches on an impluse. They won the division just a year ago. I'd give him another year, and I don't even like Coughlin.

This is my point. He's a proven NFL coach who has had success.

Ive never been a fan of Tom Coughlin. He is a horrible in game manager (ala Herm Edwards) and is not a great Xs and Os guy. He is strictly a disciplinarian.

I beg to differ. He's been known to be involved in alot of playcalling. A Jaguars and long-time NFL observer has said that Coughlin's passing schemes were the most complex (or something like that) that he's covered in his career.

bigbluedefense
11-27-2006, 10:47 AM
Eh....I'm not big on firing coaches on an impluse. They won the division just a year ago. I'd give him another year, and I don't even like Coughlin.

This is my point. He's a proven NFL coach who has had success.

Ive never been a fan of Tom Coughlin. He is a horrible in game manager (ala Herm Edwards) and is not a great Xs and Os guy. He is strictly a disciplinarian.

I beg to differ. He's been known to be involved in alot of playcalling. A Jaguars and long-time NFL observer has said that Coughlin's passing schemes were the most complex (or something like that) that he's covered in his career.

Thats the problem. Its too complex. Why can't he ease the load on his developing qb? Thats just dumb. Look at how Rivers and Ben entered the league, they were babied. Eli needs to get some help from the coaching staff, they completely threw him to the wolves. Its just dumb. And we've been critical of his playcalling his entire tenior here. Its been horrible, which is why I say he's not a great Xs and Os guy. Because honestly, he's not. He lacks the in game adjustments to be considered good.

DChess
11-27-2006, 11:26 AM
its not his fault eli cant throw and kiwanuka cant tackle

Ward
11-27-2006, 11:32 AM
God I hope not!

bigbluedefense
11-27-2006, 11:33 AM
its not his fault eli cant throw and kiwanuka cant tackle

It is his fault that he is not putting them in positions to succeed. He is the HC, he needs to get on Tim Lewis's ass about these prevent zones he continues to play. Even after the INT with 40 seconds left, Tennessee has to march 30 yards to get in field goal range. What does Tim Lewis do? Plays his prevent zone. How on earth does that make any sense at all when all they have to do is go 30 yards?

On offense, the playcalling was erratic in the 2nd half. In the first half, we did shorts, intermediates, screens, nice dose of running....why did we stop? And why did we go for it on 4th instead of kick the field goal? Again, more instances when he is not putting the team in position to win. We started out great with a great gameplan, then for whatever reason (most likely stubbornness), they go away from it, even when it was working.

And its almost sacreligious to this coaching staff to run the ball "too much". Theres no such thing as that, but this coach feels that way. We couldve ran the ball on every play in the 2nd half and still won this game. We have our pounder in Jacobs to do the job, he scores 2 Tds and was impossible to stop, yet we didn't even use him in the 2nd half...again...who's fault is that?

Its no coincidence that the players constantly throw him under the bus.

Jughead10
11-27-2006, 12:30 PM
Coughlin shouldn't be fired and he won't be. Giants ownership loves him. Wellington loved him and this has rubbed off on his sons. A lot of this has to do with what type of man he is off the field as well. Location, religion, etc.

The only thing I have not liked about Coughlin is his inability or unwillingness to shake things up. As far as the coaches under him are concerned.

As far as the offense being too complex for Eli. Tough. Eli was easily the smartest and most intelligent QB of the draft, a huge part of the reason the Giants fell in love with him. He runs a complex offense and that is a big part of the reason Tiki has had huge years these past two and half seasons. Tiki eats up nickel defenses.

bigbluedefense
11-27-2006, 12:33 PM
Coughlin shouldn't be fired and he won't be. Giants ownership loves him. Wellington loved him and this has rubbed off on his sons. A lot of this has to do with what type of man he is off the field as well. Location, religion, etc.

But the players hate him. I think that puts the owners in a difficult position. If we make the playoffs I think he stays, but a collapse probably means he's fired. I personally would like to see him go regardless, I don't like his coaching.

Jughead10
11-27-2006, 12:37 PM
Coughlin shouldn't be fired and he won't be. Giants ownership loves him. Wellington loved him and this has rubbed off on his sons. A lot of this has to do with what type of man he is off the field as well. Location, religion, etc.

But the players hate him. I think that puts the owners in a difficult position. If we make the playoffs I think he stays, but a collapse probably means he's fired. I personally would like to see him go regardless, I don't like his coaching.

We have dumb players. Shockey is a top 3 TE but he isn't the sharpest tool in the shed. He doesn't hold much ground when critizing Coughlin. They are getting him the ball now and he is still making comments. I'm not sure what other players hate him either. I don't buy the whole Tiki/Coughlin fued. I think it is non-existant.

Number 10
11-27-2006, 12:44 PM
Players don't need to love a coach in order to win, people don't realize that. Respect is another thing, and I think Coughlin has the respect of the majority of the players in that locker room. Of course there are some bad relationships here and there, but that happens no matter who the head man is.

nrk
11-27-2006, 12:47 PM
Just replace the players instead of the coach! There seems to be quite a few complaints from the players from what I have heard. He either has to gain his players respect quick, which is highly unlikely, or he won't last much longer. However, the players shouldn't be babies and complain about the coaching all the time. They know the game, and if they really want to win, they'd try to get along with the coaches and such more, and work harder. Unfortunately for Coughlin, egos exist.

bigbluedefense
11-27-2006, 12:51 PM
Im just not a fan of coaches who are not great Xs and Os guys. Coughlin is the kind of coach that gets you over the hump, but he doesn't win the big game because of his lack of adjustments.

I personally would like Ken Whistenhunt, Cam Cameron, Wade Phillips, Dick Lebeau or (my dream that will never happen) John Fox as replacements.

For Eli, I think he needs Cameron or Whistenhunt. I personally am a defensive guy, I wouldn't mind Wade Phillips.

yourfavestoner
11-27-2006, 01:14 PM
Im just not a fan of coaches who are not great Xs and Os guys. Coughlin is the kind of coach that gets you over the hump, but he doesn't win the big game because of his lack of adjustments.

I personally would like Ken Whistenhunt, Cam Cameron, Wade Phillips, Dick Lebeau or (my dream that will never happen) John Fox as replacements.

For Eli, I think he needs Cameron or Whistenhunt. I personally am a defensive guy, I wouldn't mind Wade Phillips.

Eh..I've never been a big fan of Phillips. I remember when he was the coach in Buffalo, he'd often be standing on the sidelines, without a headset, looking clueless.

Personally, I feel that Cam Cameron is going to be the hottest commodity on the market this offseason.

Also, in regards to Coughlin, it's not like inconsistency hasn't been the theme for the Giants for the past decade or anything. They had their chance with a player's coach in Fassel. They were still horribly inconsistent, never making the playoffs in consecutive years.

Jughead10
11-27-2006, 01:23 PM
Im just not a fan of coaches who are not great Xs and Os guys. Coughlin is the kind of coach that gets you over the hump, but he doesn't win the big game because of his lack of adjustments.

I personally would like Ken Whistenhunt, Cam Cameron, Wade Phillips, Dick Lebeau or (my dream that will never happen) John Fox as replacements.

For Eli, I think he needs Cameron or Whistenhunt. I personally am a defensive guy, I wouldn't mind Wade Phillips.

Eh..I've never been a big fan of Phillips. I remember when he was the coach in Buffalo, he'd often be standing on the sidelines, without a headset, looking clueless.

Personally, I feel that Cam Cameron is going to be the hottest commodity on the market this offseason.

Also, in regards to Coughlin, it's not like inconsistency hasn't been the theme for the Giants for the past decade or anything. They had their chance with a player's coach in Fassel. They were still horribly inconsistent, never making the playoffs in consecutive years.

Agreed on Cameron. Also remember when I said this, Gates won't be nearly as good when Cameron leaves San Diego. Cam created him and his play will regress without him. I wouldn't touch any of those other guys except LeBeau and Fox isn't leaving Carolina anytime soon.

The one thing about Coughlin is that the players are going to try to win to spite him. Fassel was a **** coach. The players quit on him because they knew he was a lame duck coach and a five letter p word in general. Agreed on players don't have to like the coach just respect him. And I do think most of the players respect him except for a select few who have the brain of a five year old in a man's body.

Staubach12
11-27-2006, 04:59 PM
I think he will be replaced. The play calling at some points is just not good at all. He's not motivating certain players well enough (Burress), and when he doesn't get full effort, he doesn't make the player give full effort. The leaders of the team have come out and said he's not doing things right. That means three things a) He doesn't have control of his players. b) His players don't trust him. They can't go to him, so they go to the media. c) He's not doing things right. If the three best players on your offense critisize your coaching, you're doing something wrong, because these players know what they're talking about. They know when they get outcoached. My only question is who will be the coach next year.

Jughead10
11-27-2006, 05:02 PM
I think he will be replaced. The play calling at some points is just not good at all. He's not motivating certain players well enough (Burress), and when he doesn't get full effort, he doesn't make the player give full effort. The leaders of the team have come out and said he's not doing things right. That means three things a) He doesn't have control of his players. b) His players don't trust him. They can't go to him, so they go to the media. c) He's not doing things right. If the three best players on your offense critisize your coaching, you're doing something wrong, because these players know what they're talking about. They know when they get outcoached. My only question is who will be the coach next year.

The only player on the team who knows what they are talking about is Tiki. I don't hold any weight to what any other offensive player says. And Tiki claims he says these things to help motivate the team. I don't buy the whole Tiki/Tom fued. Tiki has had his best years because of Tom and because of Eli. As far as the other players knowing what they're talking about, I'm not sure about that. Most players aren't exactly intelligent.

Jughead10
11-27-2006, 05:04 PM
Also John Clayton reported that Coughlin is more likely to get an extension in the next few weeks than get fired. Like I said earlier, ownership loves him.

We need more Coughlin like players. Our next GM needs to stay away from the University of Miami and those types. I almost guarantee we will draft a player from Notre Dame somewhere in the draft next year.

Staubach12
11-27-2006, 05:05 PM
I think he will be replaced. The play calling at some points is just not good at all. He's not motivating certain players well enough (Burress), and when he doesn't get full effort, he doesn't make the player give full effort. The leaders of the team have come out and said he's not doing things right. That means three things a) He doesn't have control of his players. b) His players don't trust him. They can't go to him, so they go to the media. c) He's not doing things right. If the three best players on your offense critisize your coaching, you're doing something wrong, because these players know what they're talking about. They know when they get outcoached. My only question is who will be the coach next year.

The only player on the team who knows what they are talking about is Tiki. I don't hold any weight to what any other offensive player says. And Tiki claims he says these things to help motivate the team. I don't buy the whole Tiki/Tom fued. Tiki has had his best years because of Tom and because of Eli. As far as the other players knowing what they're talking about, I'm not sure about that. Most players aren't exactly intelligent.

The players know football. They know whan it's not the right call.

Jughead10
11-27-2006, 05:06 PM
I think he will be replaced. The play calling at some points is just not good at all. He's not motivating certain players well enough (Burress), and when he doesn't get full effort, he doesn't make the player give full effort. The leaders of the team have come out and said he's not doing things right. That means three things a) He doesn't have control of his players. b) His players don't trust him. They can't go to him, so they go to the media. c) He's not doing things right. If the three best players on your offense critisize your coaching, you're doing something wrong, because these players know what they're talking about. They know when they get outcoached. My only question is who will be the coach next year.

The only player on the team who knows what they are talking about is Tiki. I don't hold any weight to what any other offensive player says. And Tiki claims he says these things to help motivate the team. I don't buy the whole Tiki/Tom fued. Tiki has had his best years because of Tom and because of Eli. As far as the other players knowing what they're talking about, I'm not sure about that. Most players aren't exactly intelligent.

The players know football. They know whan it's not the right call.

Thats just not true. Most of the best football players of all time are horrible coaches. They don't know football as good as the coaches, they are just great athletes. WRs and TEs don't know how to call plays.

Staubach12
11-27-2006, 05:24 PM
I think he will be replaced. The play calling at some points is just not good at all. He's not motivating certain players well enough (Burress), and when he doesn't get full effort, he doesn't make the player give full effort. The leaders of the team have come out and said he's not doing things right. That means three things a) He doesn't have control of his players. b) His players don't trust him. They can't go to him, so they go to the media. c) He's not doing things right. If the three best players on your offense critisize your coaching, you're doing something wrong, because these players know what they're talking about. They know when they get outcoached. My only question is who will be the coach next year.

The only player on the team who knows what they are talking about is Tiki. I don't hold any weight to what any other offensive player says. And Tiki claims he says these things to help motivate the team. I don't buy the whole Tiki/Tom fued. Tiki has had his best years because of Tom and because of Eli. As far as the other players knowing what they're talking about, I'm not sure about that. Most players aren't exactly intelligent.

The players know football. They know whan it's not the right call.

Thats just not true. Most of the best football players of all time are horrible coaches. They don't know football as good as the coaches, they are just great athletes. WRs and TEs don't know how to call plays.

So when Burress or Shockey sas that the coaching is bad, you think they're just too stupid to be taken seriously?

Jughead10
11-27-2006, 05:26 PM
I think he will be replaced. The play calling at some points is just not good at all. He's not motivating certain players well enough (Burress), and when he doesn't get full effort, he doesn't make the player give full effort. The leaders of the team have come out and said he's not doing things right. That means three things a) He doesn't have control of his players. b) His players don't trust him. They can't go to him, so they go to the media. c) He's not doing things right. If the three best players on your offense critisize your coaching, you're doing something wrong, because these players know what they're talking about. They know when they get outcoached. My only question is who will be the coach next year.

The only player on the team who knows what they are talking about is Tiki. I don't hold any weight to what any other offensive player says. And Tiki claims he says these things to help motivate the team. I don't buy the whole Tiki/Tom fued. Tiki has had his best years because of Tom and because of Eli. As far as the other players knowing what they're talking about, I'm not sure about that. Most players aren't exactly intelligent.

The players know football. They know whan it's not the right call.

Thats just not true. Most of the best football players of all time are horrible coaches. They don't know football as good as the coaches, they are just great athletes. WRs and TEs don't know how to call plays.

So when Burress or Shockey sas that the coaching is bad, you think they're just too stupid to be taken seriously?

Absolutely. They don't know whats best for this team. I love Shockey. He is one of the best TEs in the league. But I have learned that he loves to find things to complain about. First he complained about not getting the ball and I agreed to an extent. Now he is getting the ball more and still complaining. These guys just run their mouths after a lost. They hold no credibility.

bigbluedefense
11-27-2006, 05:28 PM
Na, I can't defend Coughlin on the outcoached thing. He is getting outcoached alot. Every team has dumb players. But the Giants are the only guys who call out TC on getting outcoached every chance thtey get. Thats not coincidence.

Jughead10
11-27-2006, 05:38 PM
Na, I can't defend Coughlin on the outcoached thing. He is getting outcoached alot. Every team has dumb players. But the Giants are the only guys who call out TC on getting outcoached every chance thtey get. Thats not coincidence.

Actually a lot of players have been running their mouths this year. I remember ESPN went through all the clips last week. Although I can't seem to remember who the players were. A lot of our players are just babies. Mean old Coughlin is too tough on these poor premadonnas so when they loose they complain like children.

SeanTaylorRIP
11-27-2006, 05:40 PM
They shouldnt' fire him so what they lost, they aren't a bad team, all this means is that they are not the superbowl contenders all the Giants fans were pimping them to be a couple of weeks ago.

Jughead10
11-27-2006, 05:42 PM
They shouldnt' fire him so what they lost, they aren't a bad team, all this means is that they are not the superbowl contenders all the Giants fans were pimping them to be a couple of weeks ago.

They were serious Super Bowl contenders a few weeks ago when they were healthy. Not only Giants fans but many people thought they would beat Chicago and claim their spot as the best team in the NFC.

LookItsAlDavis
11-27-2006, 05:50 PM
They need to get an offense that Eli Manning is more comfortable with........he looks like he is confused.