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Big_Brother
11-27-2006, 10:42 PM
Just saw a bogus roughing the passer call against Hasselbeck on a 3rd down so I decided to post this. I've been thinking about it for a while now so here goes.

Simply put, are we protecting the QB's too much and punishing defenders for just being physical?

After seeing the Kiwinuka-Young play, in which he said he didn't throw down Young for fear of a penalty (I believe that's how it went down anyways) it says to me that if defenders are now afraid to actually tackle a QB it's getting out of hand. I realize you have to protect your QB's, as they go down all the time and there just aren't that many elite QB's nowadays... but what do you guys think?

Geo
11-27-2006, 10:50 PM
That call was so horrid.

The rules aren't as much as the problem as the officials who are calling the penalties. I couldn't count on my hands and toes the number of times officials called something that was wrong.

Hasselbeck gets hit as he throws the ball, the GB defender hits his back but is penalized for allegedly hitting Hasselbeck's head.

Cripes, the problem isn't the rule.

11-27-2006, 10:51 PM
This has been happening all year and I don't like it. Packers will try to put the loss on the this but they didn't deserve to win.

DWhitner20
11-27-2006, 10:53 PM
It's getting rediculous, the call on Cullen Jenkins tonight was a joke.

I've seen a ton of warrentless roughing the passer penaltys besides that too. Its like the NFL is trying to tell players to freeze time because I've seen plays where a QB is beginning to throw the ball and the DE leaps foward to get him, the ball gets released then the DE hits the QB less than a second later and gets flagged.

It's a joke.

Pit Bull #53
11-27-2006, 10:53 PM
I think it's starting to get a little ridiculous myself.

I can't stand the illegal blow to the helmet rule.

bearsfan_51
11-27-2006, 10:55 PM
Some of them are legit. The problem isn't with the call, you shouldn't be allowed to lead with your helmet and hit an unprotected player in the head area. You need to protect QB's from getting concussions.

The problem is that for some reason there have been a lot of awful calls this year that aren't even within the boundaries of the ruling.

doingthisinsteadofwork
11-27-2006, 11:14 PM
The thing is sometimes your like damn it that rule shouldnt be there thats a bs rule.
but then other times your like hell yes 1st down.

TiTaNsFAN 1014
11-27-2006, 11:16 PM
Ok, who voted for "The calls are legit"? The refs are making horrible calls. Like in the bears vs pats game. Peanut tillman blocked a guy after Daniel manning recovered a fumble and had not been touched yet. Also, when Daniel Manning tackled Corey Dillon as he was about to go out of bounds but he had not even touched the out of bounds mark. Dont even get me started on MOST of the roughing the passer calls.

njx9
11-27-2006, 11:16 PM
yeah, i think sometimes people forget that the quarterback, during the throw, is just as unprotected as any WR going up for a ball or punt returner trying to field one. there clearly DO need to be some rules to protect him, just like there are for other players. that said, the enforcement has been awful lately.

to play devil's advocate: they HAVE to protect the quarterback much more forcefully, because these guys are the star players. for instance, a poorly called roughing the passer penalty on some defensive end is not nearly as bad for the league monetraily, as peyton manning having a career ending injury because of a questionable hit.

TitleTown088
11-27-2006, 11:21 PM
the pack pissed that game away by themselves, but that call really hurt them and was called at a very critical time in the game.

XxXdragonXxX
11-27-2006, 11:23 PM
They need to relax on the roughing the passer calls, and take a look at hits on receivers. The pass to Stevens later in that drive, teh DB hit Stevens in the back of the head with his elbow and they didn't call it.

The call on the Hasselbeck hit was horrible, and I've seen that happen that multiple times this year, including Tatupu hitting Andrew Walter in the chest and he gets called for a blow to the head.

doingthisinsteadofwork
11-27-2006, 11:30 PM
They need to relax on the roughing the passer calls, and take a look at hits on receivers. The pass to Stevens later in that drive, teh DB hit Stevens in the back of the head with his elbow and they didn't call it.

The call on the Hasselbeck hit was horrible, and I've seen that happen that multiple times this year, including Tatupu hitting Andrew Walter in the chest and he gets called for a blow to the head.why does it matter your team won anyway.

bearsfan_51
11-27-2006, 11:31 PM
Again: The problem is not with the rule. The problem is with the enforcement of the rule.

XxXdragonXxX
11-27-2006, 11:54 PM
They need to relax on the roughing the passer calls, and take a look at hits on receivers. The pass to Stevens later in that drive, teh DB hit Stevens in the back of the head with his elbow and they didn't call it.

The call on the Hasselbeck hit was horrible, and I've seen that happen that multiple times this year, including Tatupu hitting Andrew Walter in the chest and he gets called for a blow to the head.

why does it matter your team won anyway.


It doesn't matter. I wasn't making excuses I was just giving examples.

PalmerToCJ
11-28-2006, 10:06 AM
The Bengals would be 7-4 right now if not for a BS roughing the passer call.

You know my opinion...

Jughead10
11-28-2006, 10:15 AM
Phil Simms said that there needs to be two calls similar to facemasks. They should make a 5 yard and 15 yard roughing the passer penalty. 5 yards and not an automatic first down on plays where the roughing is ticky tacky. 15 yards is a huge penalty to take and to have all roughing the passer calls being 15 yards is a bit much.

bsaza2358
11-28-2006, 10:55 AM
The unnecessary roughness penalty against the Giants D on Vince Young Sunday was another example of QB's getting overly coddled. Young wasn't out of bounds and got hit shoulder to chest and absolutely decked just before he went out, and the Giants got flagged. It set up the tying TD on that drive. I'm an Eagles fan, and I hated that call.

This is football. You protect the stars to an extent, but everyone should be eligible to get hit. Players should be allowed to hit QB's in a reasonable manner without being flagged for roughing. It is getting ridiculous. I agree that the rule should be there, but I also agree that the enforcement has been way too sensitive this season.

The Legend
11-28-2006, 11:00 AM
to the 2 people who voted protect the qb go watch another sport

Mr. Stiller
11-28-2006, 11:01 AM
My only complaint because of the lack of a call was the one against Ben Roethlisberger in atlanta. He Got Jacked and no flag... Then again, he wasn't cuddled like Gradkowski was from Smith. Brees was like WTF when the ref gave him a roughing the passer penalty against Aaron Smith.

njx9
11-28-2006, 11:05 AM
to the 2 people who voted protect the qb go watch another sport

you make a convincing argument.

no, wait, you didn't.

The Legend
11-28-2006, 11:06 AM
to the 2 people who voted protect the qb go watch another sport

you make a convincing argument.

no, wait, you didn't.

ok i will let you make it for me if you want

slightlyaraiderfan
11-28-2006, 11:08 AM
to the 2 people who voted protect the qb go watch another sport
I don't get your sig and avy(which is too big), both of those teams are in the AFC..

The Legend
11-28-2006, 11:10 AM
to the 2 people who voted protect the qb go watch another sport
I don't get your sig and avy(which is too big), both of those teams are in the AFC..

"Batte For The Superbowl" winner goes to the suprbowl

but i see your point im to lazy to switch it

11-28-2006, 11:26 AM
A good example of this rule being ridiculous, was sundays game between the Giants and Texans. The defensive player from the Giants thought Young threw the ball and let up on the play. He figured if he tackled him he would get called for roughing the passer. Either way the guy got screwed, but you can't blame him for it. If he buries the guy on 4th and 10 he gets penalized for it and it's automatic first down. If he let's him go, well we all know what happened after that.

njx9
11-28-2006, 11:51 AM
to the 2 people who voted protect the qb go watch another sport

you make a convincing argument.

no, wait, you didn't.

ok i will let you make it for me if you want

:roll:

let's start simple. what is wrong with the rule?

PalmerToCJ
11-28-2006, 11:59 AM
I understand the rules for not hitting near the knees, no helmet to helmet and no late hits.

That's about the extent of what I feel should be roughing the passer.

TitleTown088
11-28-2006, 12:52 PM
I understand the rules for not hitting near the knees, no helmet to helmet and no late hits.

That's about the extent of what I feel should be roughing the passer.

i wonder why you understand that part of it? :wink:

johbur
11-28-2006, 01:00 PM
Just saw a bogus roughing the passer call against Hasselbeck on a 3rd down so I decided to post this. I've been thinking about it for a while now so here goes.

Simply put, are we protecting the QB's too much and punishing defenders for just being physical?

After seeing the Kiwinuka-Young play, in which he said he didn't throw down Young for fear of a penalty (I believe that's how it went down anyways) it says to me that if defenders are now afraid to actually tackle a QB it's getting out of hand. I realize you have to protect your QB's, as they go down all the time and there just aren't that many elite QB's nowadays... but what do you guys think?

When I read that Kiwi quote I thought that he was just trying to cover up a monmental error. Then the Refs called Jenkins for roughing the passer and it was garbage, and I could see how Kiwi really didin't want to give up the 15 yard penalty.

Maybe QBs now need to wear a skirt or a tutu while they're out there. Or they could just put some flags on the QB and the defense could only tackle them by pulling off the flag, no real contact allowed. Someone should market that and call it flag football. It sounds better than the dangerous and violent game of real football.

njx9
11-28-2006, 01:13 PM
you know, i've been convinced. but none of you go far enough.

why does the nfl allow fair catches? make the guy catch the ball without a halo rule. same thing on receivers. what's the point in pass interference? bloody faeries need to toughen up. late hits? aren't they wearing pads anymore? let them hit each other all game, after the game, before the game. i mean, realistically, they should be able to punch each other on the field. these guys are tough, right? let them duke it out if they want. really, refs are only needed to spot the ball. but i dunno, maybe the ball isn't really needed anymore. i mean, this is football. they need to hit each other!

eacantdraft
11-28-2006, 05:26 PM
How many defensive players whine when they get crack blocked? They like to talk about big hits and knocking out players, but they whine when they get hit themselves.

Can't have it both ways.

Boston
11-28-2006, 06:48 PM
They need to relax on the roughing the passer calls, and take a look at hits on receivers. The pass to Stevens later in that drive, teh DB hit Stevens in the back of the head with his elbow and they didn't call it.

The call on the Hasselbeck hit was horrible, and I've seen that happen that multiple times this year, including Tatupu hitting Andrew Walter in the chest and he gets called for a blow to the head.

It's football. It's a physical game. Get over it.

Staubach12
11-28-2006, 06:53 PM
The rules are so dumb. It's not touch football.

XxXdragonXxX
11-28-2006, 07:01 PM
They need to relax on the roughing the passer calls, and take a look at hits on receivers. The pass to Stevens later in that drive, teh DB hit Stevens in the back of the head with his elbow and they didn't call it.

The call on the Hasselbeck hit was horrible, and I've seen that happen that multiple times this year, including Tatupu hitting Andrew Walter in the chest and he gets called for a blow to the head.

It's football. It's a physical game. Get over it.

Wha are you telling me to get over? I'm saying they need to relax on the roughing the passer calls like a little blow to the head that hardly ever hurts the QB. But at the same time they need to enforce the rules against hitting a WR in the helmet, simply because of the force involved in those hits.

They call penalties on legal hits on teh QB all the time, but they let illegal hits on wide receivers go uncalled just as often.

Boston
11-28-2006, 07:04 PM
They need to relax on the roughing the passer calls, and take a look at hits on receivers. The pass to Stevens later in that drive, teh DB hit Stevens in the back of the head with his elbow and they didn't call it.

The call on the Hasselbeck hit was horrible, and I've seen that happen that multiple times this year, including Tatupu hitting Andrew Walter in the chest and he gets called for a blow to the head.

It's football. It's a physical game. Get over it.

Wha are you telling me to get over? I'm saying they need to relax on the roughing the passer calls like a little blow to the head that hardly ever hurts the QB. But at the same time they need to enforce the rules against hitting a WR in the helmet, simply because of the force involved in those hits.

They call penalties on legal hits on teh QB all the time, but they let illegal hits on wide receivers go uncalled just as often.

The pass to Stevens later in that drive, teh DB hit Stevens in the back of the head with his elbow and they didn't call it.

XxXdragonXxX
11-28-2006, 07:09 PM
They need to relax on the roughing the passer calls, and take a look at hits on receivers. The pass to Stevens later in that drive, teh DB hit Stevens in the back of the head with his elbow and they didn't call it.

The call on the Hasselbeck hit was horrible, and I've seen that happen that multiple times this year, including Tatupu hitting Andrew Walter in the chest and he gets called for a blow to the head.

It's football. It's a physical game. Get over it.

Wha are you telling me to get over? I'm saying they need to relax on the roughing the passer calls like a little blow to the head that hardly ever hurts the QB. But at the same time they need to enforce the rules against hitting a WR in the helmet, simply because of the force involved in those hits.

They call penalties on legal hits on teh QB all the time, but they let illegal hits on wide receivers go uncalled just as often.

The pass to Stevens later in that drive, teh DB hit Stevens in the back of the head with his elbow and they didn't call it.


And you're getting at what? I was giving a examples of things that should be called and things that shouldn't be called. I don't see what the problem is here. Running full speed and striking a receiver who's running full speed in the helmet is much more dangerous than giving a QB a little tap on the helmet.

I'm jsut not seeing what the problem is with my post.

jackalope
11-28-2006, 09:15 PM
worst call i've seen in awhile. Jenkins did nothing wrong. that very likely lost us the game.

someone447
11-28-2006, 09:21 PM
worst call i've seen in awhile. Jenkins did nothing wrong. that very likely lost us the game.

I wouldn't go that far, the inability to score after those turnovers cost us the game. That just insured that we would have no chance.

jackalope
11-28-2006, 09:25 PM
worst call i've seen in awhile. Jenkins did nothing wrong. that very likely lost us the game.

I wouldn't go that far, the inability to score after those turnovers cost us the game. That just insured that we would have no chance.i'm not saying that alone lost us the game, but it had a huge impact.

diabsoule
11-28-2006, 09:43 PM
The call your talking about was a bogus call. There was nothing that Jenkins could've done to avoid hitting Hasselback after Hass moved his head esp. considering that Jenkins did everything possible to try and not hit his head.