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steel man
11-28-2006, 01:52 PM
would this be a good trade for both teams or which team would come out the best?

if i remember right Randy Moss wanted to go play with Vick before he was traded to Oakland.

Part b: or would Jerry Porter be a better trade and if so for which team?

bigbluedefense
11-28-2006, 02:05 PM
I haven't seen enough of Shaub to warrant that trade yet. I think Atlanta will never get 1st round value for Shaub. If anything, maybe his stock has slipped a little since last year. I see him going for a 2nd rounder, nothing more. Not unless they give him some playing time this year, he does real well, and then they offer him in trades. Thats the only way his stock can rise up high enough to warrant a 1st round value WR like Moss.

Jughead10
11-28-2006, 02:07 PM
Not sure Davis would want to trade for Schaub. He loves guys with a big arm. That not Matt.

Shiver
11-28-2006, 02:09 PM
That's all we need, another receiver who drops an inordinate amount of passes. Randy Moss hasn't been, well, Randy Moss since '03!

tom
11-28-2006, 02:19 PM
trade him for vick

MaxV
11-28-2006, 02:37 PM
It would be a BIG mistake for the Falcons to trade for Moss.

Atlanta is a Run-oriented offense and Moss would be pissed off all the time because he's not getting the ball.

keylime_5
11-28-2006, 02:43 PM
Randy Moss would still be an All-Pro if he had a good offense around him like say Philly (with mcnabb), Indy, New England, etc. I don't think Matt Schaub's gonna be that great, but you'll never know until he gets the hell outta Atlanta

Cavalier17
11-28-2006, 02:52 PM
Moss is a selfish pos, imo. He wants stats and has no regard for a "team effort". Get his and Porter's asses out of there and get whatever you can, whether that be Schaub or some draft picks.

11-28-2006, 03:04 PM
Matt Schaub is so overrated. People think he can step into any team and be a good QB but he has never won a game in his career in ATL. Anybody that thinks he is better than Vick is kidding themselves.

draftguru151
11-28-2006, 03:06 PM
Randy Moss for Joey, lets do it.

Jughead10
11-28-2006, 03:07 PM
Matt Schaub is so overrated. People think he can step into any team and be a good QB but he has never won a game in his career in ATL. Anybody that thinks he is better than Vick is kidding themselves.

Well it took Schaub about 1 game to throw 4 TD passes for the first time. It took Vick how many years before he even threw for 3 in one game?

Windy
11-28-2006, 03:08 PM
Matt Schaub is so overrated. People think he can step into any team and be a good QB but he has never won a game in his career in ATL. Anybody that thinks he is better than Vick is kidding themselves.

Well it took Schaub about 1 game to throw 4 TD passes for the first time. It took Vick how many years before he even threw for 3 in one game?

Schaub looked pretty good during that game but he doesnt warrant a 1st rounder like people were saying last year

11-28-2006, 03:09 PM
Matt Schaub is so overrated. People think he can step into any team and be a good QB but he has never won a game in his career in ATL. Anybody that thinks he is better than Vick is kidding themselves.

Well it took Schaub about 1 game to throw 4 TD passes for the first time. It took Vick how many years before he even threw for 3 in one game?

Schaub never had a 4 TD game. :?

Jughead10
11-28-2006, 03:10 PM
Matt Schaub is so overrated. People think he can step into any team and be a good QB but he has never won a game in his career in ATL. Anybody that thinks he is better than Vick is kidding themselves.

Well it took Schaub about 1 game to throw 4 TD passes for the first time. It took Vick how many years before he even threw for 3 in one game?

Schaub looked pretty good during that game but he doesnt warrant a 1st rounder like people were saying last year

I don't think so either but I do think he warrants a high 2nd rounder though. Apparently some team thought he was worth a first though because the Falcons claimed they had that kind of offer for him.

draftguru151
11-28-2006, 03:10 PM
Matt Schaub is so overrated. People think he can step into any team and be a good QB but he has never won a game in his career in ATL. Anybody that thinks he is better than Vick is kidding themselves.

Well it took Schaub about 1 game to throw 4 TD passes for the first time. It took Vick how many years before he even threw for 3 in one game?

Addai ran for 4 TDs in one game in his first year, it took LT until this season to run for 4. Great argument.

Windy
11-28-2006, 03:10 PM
Matt Schaub is so overrated. People think he can step into any team and be a good QB but he has never won a game in his career in ATL. Anybody that thinks he is better than Vick is kidding themselves.

Well it took Schaub about 1 game to throw 4 TD passes for the first time. It took Vick how many years before he even threw for 3 in one game?

Schaub never had a 4 TD game. :?

It was 3 tds but that still is solid

Jughead10
11-28-2006, 03:10 PM
Matt Schaub is so overrated. People think he can step into any team and be a good QB but he has never won a game in his career in ATL. Anybody that thinks he is better than Vick is kidding themselves.

Well it took Schaub about 1 game to throw 4 TD passes for the first time. It took Vick how many years before he even threw for 3 in one game?

Schaub never had a 4 TD game. :?

Not against the Patriots? I thought it was 4. Either way it took him one game to throew 3 TDs and it took Vick a couple of seasons.

Jughead10
11-28-2006, 03:11 PM
Matt Schaub is so overrated. People think he can step into any team and be a good QB but he has never won a game in his career in ATL. Anybody that thinks he is better than Vick is kidding themselves.

Well it took Schaub about 1 game to throw 4 TD passes for the first time. It took Vick how many years before he even threw for 3 in one game?

Addai ran for 4 TDs in one game in his first year, it took LT until this season to run for 4. Great argument.

Come on now. Throwing for 3 TDs is something a QB should do a little more commonly than have a running back rush for 4.

11-28-2006, 03:13 PM
Matt Schaub is so overrated. People think he can step into any team and be a good QB but he has never won a game in his career in ATL. Anybody that thinks he is better than Vick is kidding themselves.

Well it took Schaub about 1 game to throw 4 TD passes for the first time. It took Vick how many years before he even threw for 3 in one game?

Schaub never had a 4 TD game. :?

Not against the Patriots? I thought it was 4. Either way it took him one game to throew 3 TDs and it took Vick a couple of seasons.

The only other game he had over 20 attempts in he had a QB rating in the 70's. A player that has only thrown over 20 passes twice and did well in one of the games does not deserve to be traded for a player with the type of talent that Moss has.

tom
11-28-2006, 03:14 PM
Matt Schaub is so overrated. People think he can step into any team and be a good QB but he has never won a game in his career in ATL. Anybody that thinks he is better than Vick is kidding themselves.

Well it took Schaub about 1 game to throw 4 TD passes for the first time. It took Vick how many years before he even threw for 3 in one game?

Addai ran for 4 TDs in one game in his first year, it took LT until this season to run for 4. Great argument.

Yeah, it actually is a pretty good argument, coz I think Addai is as good as LT.

Basileus777
11-28-2006, 03:14 PM
Derrick Blaylock had 4 tds in one half against the Falcons once, by your logic he is clearly a future star running back.

11-28-2006, 03:15 PM
Matt Schaub is so overrated. People think he can step into any team and be a good QB but he has never won a game in his career in ATL. Anybody that thinks he is better than Vick is kidding themselves.

Well it took Schaub about 1 game to throw 4 TD passes for the first time. It took Vick how many years before he even threw for 3 in one game?

Addai ran for 4 TDs in one game in his first year, it took LT until this season to run for 4. Great argument.

Come on now. Throwing for 3 TDs is something a QB should do a little more commonly than have a running back rush for 4.

Tom Brady, the 2nd best QB in the league, has only done it 7 times the last 3 years. That's about twice a season. It's not like that is something that is expected every game.

Jughead10
11-28-2006, 03:15 PM
Matt Schaub is so overrated. People think he can step into any team and be a good QB but he has never won a game in his career in ATL. Anybody that thinks he is better than Vick is kidding themselves.

Well it took Schaub about 1 game to throw 4 TD passes for the first time. It took Vick how many years before he even threw for 3 in one game?

Schaub never had a 4 TD game. :?

Not against the Patriots? I thought it was 4. Either way it took him one game to throew 3 TDs and it took Vick a couple of seasons.

The only other game he had over 20 attempts in he had a QB rating in the 70's. A player that has only thrown over 20 passes twice and did well in one of the games does not deserve to be traded for a player with the type of talent that Moss has.

I know that the topic of the thread but thats not what I responded to. I responded to you saying that anybody that thinks he is better than Vick is kidding themselves. Well they might be closer than you would think. I agree he shouldn't be traded for a player the caliber of Moss.

Jughead10
11-28-2006, 03:18 PM
Derrick Blaylock had 4 tds in one half against the Falcons once, by your logic he is clearly a future star running back.

Not quite. Again a QB throwing for 3 TDs is something that is a little more common thatn a RB rushing for 4. The bottom line is that Vick a former #1 overall pick took forever to even accomplish something that isn't even that great of an achievement. He isn't a good passer. Schaub is better at delivering the ball to a reciever. Thats all.

11-28-2006, 03:18 PM
Matt Schaub is so overrated. People think he can step into any team and be a good QB but he has never won a game in his career in ATL. Anybody that thinks he is better than Vick is kidding themselves.

Well it took Schaub about 1 game to throw 4 TD passes for the first time. It took Vick how many years before he even threw for 3 in one game?

Schaub never had a 4 TD game. :?

Not against the Patriots? I thought it was 4. Either way it took him one game to throew 3 TDs and it took Vick a couple of seasons.

The only other game he had over 20 attempts in he had a QB rating in the 70's. A player that has only thrown over 20 passes twice and did well in one of the games does not deserve to be traded for a player with the type of talent that Moss has.

I know that the topic of the thread but thats not what I responded to. I responded to you saying that anybody that thinks he is better than Vick is kidding themselves. Well they might be closer than you would think. I agree he shouldn't be traded for a player the caliber of Moss.

Vick is considered a top 10 QB by a lot of people and is definitely in the top half of the league. Schaub had one good game two years ago and other than that has not played well in his limited opportunities. I just don't put a lot of faith inone game wonders.

Jughead10
11-28-2006, 03:20 PM
Matt Schaub is so overrated. People think he can step into any team and be a good QB but he has never won a game in his career in ATL. Anybody that thinks he is better than Vick is kidding themselves.

Well it took Schaub about 1 game to throw 4 TD passes for the first time. It took Vick how many years before he even threw for 3 in one game?

Addai ran for 4 TDs in one game in his first year, it took LT until this season to run for 4. Great argument.

Come on now. Throwing for 3 TDs is something a QB should do a little more commonly than have a running back rush for 4.

Tom Brady, the 2nd best QB in the league, has only done it 7 times the last 3 years. That's about twice a season. It's not like that is something that is expected every game.

Actually 8 and this season isn't over. Its not exepected every game, but I'm sure Falcons fans would have liked to have seen it a couple times a lot earlier than it did.

Jughead10
11-28-2006, 03:21 PM
Matt Schaub is so overrated. People think he can step into any team and be a good QB but he has never won a game in his career in ATL. Anybody that thinks he is better than Vick is kidding themselves.

Well it took Schaub about 1 game to throw 4 TD passes for the first time. It took Vick how many years before he even threw for 3 in one game?

Schaub never had a 4 TD game. :?

Not against the Patriots? I thought it was 4. Either way it took him one game to throew 3 TDs and it took Vick a couple of seasons.

The only other game he had over 20 attempts in he had a QB rating in the 70's. A player that has only thrown over 20 passes twice and did well in one of the games does not deserve to be traded for a player with the type of talent that Moss has.

I know that the topic of the thread but thats not what I responded to. I responded to you saying that anybody that thinks he is better than Vick is kidding themselves. Well they might be closer than you would think. I agree he shouldn't be traded for a player the caliber of Moss.

Vick is considered a top 10 QB by a lot of people and is definitely in the top half of the league. Schaub had one good game two years ago and other than that has not played well in his limited opportunities. I just don't put a lot of faith inone game wonders.

I don't put a lot of faith in a QB in his 6th season who still looks like a rookie a lot of the time. Cowboys put faith in a no game wonder in Romo. They aren't regretting that.

Basileus777
11-28-2006, 03:22 PM
Derrick Blaylock had 4 tds in one half against the Falcons once, by your logic he is clearly a future star running back.

Not quite. Again a QB throwing for 3 TDs is something that is a little more common thatn a RB rushing for 4. The bottom line is that Vick a former #1 overall pick took forever to even accomplish something that isn't even that great of an achievement. He isn't a good passer. Schaub is better at delivering the ball to a reciever. Thats all.

I'm not disputing that Vick is a poor passer, but one good game against a terrible pass defense doesn't mean that Schaub is any better. Kelly Holcomb, Aaron Brooks, and Gus Frerrote tore up that same Patriots defense in the middle of 05 also. What Schaub did was nice, but hardly incredible.

frogstomp
11-28-2006, 03:23 PM
I don't put a lot of faith in a QB in his 6th season who still looks like a rookie a lot of the time. Cowboys put faith in a no game wonder in Romo. They aren't regretting that.

He's not even a year older than Eli.

You're screwed as well.

thule
11-28-2006, 03:25 PM
All I have to say is Moss likely Warrants a 2nd round pick right now. Walker was younger and shipped for a high 2nd rounder. Moss would likely bring a mid 2nd rounder...which is right were ATL is looking to be.

Lets not kid ourselves...noone is looking good on oaklands offense...noone. So the real question is would atl give upa 2nd for moss. I think if vick pushed for it, it could be done.

All I know is I don't wanna see Vick dropping back and throwing a bomb to Moss...Atl would finally have a big time reciever...that would scare me and I wouldn't want to play atl.

JT Jag
11-28-2006, 03:31 PM
Schaub is rediculously overrated.

He has mediocre accuracy, even in the games he started last year.

11-28-2006, 03:33 PM
I don't put a lot of faith in a QB in his 6th season who still looks like a rookie a lot of the time. Cowboys put faith in a no game wonder in Romo. They aren't regretting that.

Because that happens every time the starter is benched. :roll:

If Schaub was actually better than Vick, the Falcons would be shopping him rather than Schaub, because he would go for a lot more.

Shiver
11-28-2006, 03:43 PM
one good game against a terrible pass defense doesn't mean that Schaub is any better. Kelly Holcomb, Aaron Brooks, and Gus Frerrote tore up that same Patriots defense in the middle of 05 also. What Schaub did was nice, but hardly incredible.


Not only that, but the Patriots had no tape on Schaub. And the Falcons manipulated the injury report to make it seem as if Vick was playing, which no doubt affected New England's defensive gameplan. Basically, the Patriots pass D was used like a 2$ *****, by mediocre Quarterbacks all season.

ninerfan
11-28-2006, 04:17 PM
trade him for vick

:lol: :lol: :lol: correct a big smiley sticker for you :lol: :lol: :lol:

Komp
11-28-2006, 04:35 PM
All I have to say is Moss likely Warrants a 2nd round pick right now. Walker was younger and shipped for a high 2nd rounder. Moss would likely bring a mid 2nd rounder...which is right were ATL is looking to be.

I think I speak for most Oakland fans when I say lets do business. A mid 2nd round pick would suit us just fine.

thule
11-28-2006, 04:38 PM
All I have to say is Moss likely Warrants a 2nd round pick right now. Walker was younger and shipped for a high 2nd rounder. Moss would likely bring a mid 2nd rounder...which is right were ATL is looking to be.

I think I speak for most Oakland fans when I say lets do business. A mid 2nd round pick would suit us just fine.

Interesting...I was wondering if Oak fans would be upset saying he was worth more. Personally I feel a mid 2nd is right about on key.

eacantdraft
11-28-2006, 04:41 PM
Jerry Porter for Matt Schaub, Yes.

Randy Moss for Matt Schaub, No.

Won't happen. Both player salaries have to be about the same for the trade to happen. And Atlanta has enough head cases (Mike Vick among them) that. They don't need another.

Plus the Raiders are in the running for the Brady Quinn sweepstakes. Of coarse no QB is going to be effective with that offensive line.

11-28-2006, 07:00 PM
I wouldn't put Moss with another crap qb. The one he is with is bad enough. Moss has to much talent to be sitting with the raiders or falcons. He needs to be with a team that actually has a qb who can play the position.

Windy
11-28-2006, 07:01 PM
I wouldn't put Moss with another crap qb. The one he is with is bad enough. Moss has to much talent to be sitting with the raiders or falcons. He needs to be with a team that actually has a qb who can play the position.

The door is never open as they say

RaiderNation420
11-28-2006, 07:33 PM
Draft Picks :lol:

ricky bobby
11-28-2006, 09:06 PM
No.., but i would trade Mike Vick for Randy Moss. That way Moss would have a good QB to throw to him, and Schaub would have a good WR to throw to. Vick can go to the raiders who sign or draft anyone whether they are a mess or not.

doingthisinsteadofwork
11-28-2006, 09:21 PM
Jerry Porter for Matt Schaub, Yes.

Randy Moss for Matt Schaub, No.

Won't happen. Both player salaries have to be about the same for the trade to happen. And Atlanta has enough head cases (Mike Vick among them) that. They don't need another.

Plus the Raiders are in the running for the Brady Quinn sweepstakes. Of coarse no QB is going to be effective with that offensive line.to bad al davis doesnt draft qbs in the 1st.
as it is i support the randy moss for schaub theory 100%.

eacantdraft
11-29-2006, 07:55 AM
Jerry Porter for Matt Schaub, Yes.

Randy Moss for Matt Schaub, No.

Won't happen. Both player salaries have to be about the same for the trade to happen. And Atlanta has enough head cases (Mike Vick among them) that. They don't need another.

Plus the Raiders are in the running for the Brady Quinn sweepstakes. Of coarse no QB is going to be effective with that offensive line.to bad al davis doesnt draft qbs in the 1st.
as it is i support the randy moss for schaub theory 100%.

How about trading away Al Davis? He did draft Todd (weefer) Marinovich in the first round. And Marc (string bean) Wilson.

Favre4
11-29-2006, 10:28 AM
i would trade schaub for moss in a heart beat. moss wants to play with vick, and the only thing vick needs right now is a legitimate wideout. alge crumpler cant do everything as he was often triple teamed in the red zone this past week.

i would not trade schaub for jerry porter. porter has proven nothing. atlanta already has one jerry porter(ashley lelie).

TIP
11-29-2006, 10:50 AM
I wouldn't put Moss with another crap qb. The one he is with is bad enough. Moss has to much talent to be sitting with the raiders or falcons. He needs to be with a team that actually has a qb who can play the position.
Vick wouldn't be such a crap QB if his receivers would catch the damn ball.

The Legend
11-29-2006, 10:57 AM
Moss for Leftwich or Plummer or Huard

The Legend
11-29-2006, 10:57 AM
I wouldn't put Moss with another crap qb. The one he is with is bad enough. Moss has to much talent to be sitting with the raiders or falcons. He needs to be with a team that actually has a qb who can play the position.
Vick wouldn't be such a crap QB if his receivers would catch the damn ball.

yep

Shane P. Hallam
11-29-2006, 11:10 AM
Moss for Leftwich or Plummer or Huard

Moss for Leftwich. Hmmmm...

The Legend
11-29-2006, 11:21 AM
Moss for Leftwich or Plummer or Huard

Moss for Leftwich. Hmmmm...

put it this way im not much of a Schaub fan

tom
11-29-2006, 11:52 AM
Moss for Leftwich or Plummer or Huard

Moss for Leftwich. Hmmmm...

This trade seems too good to be true, Mike Tice wanted to get Moss, and Leftwich is definitely gone, so trade him to the Raiders. That way they can use their pick on either Calvin Johnson, AP or Joe Thomas, and still get an upgrade at QB. Plus, he has a cannon, which Al Davis loves.

marks01234
11-29-2006, 12:05 PM
I like this trade from both angles.

- Vick/Moss would be the biggest story to hit since the 92 Dream Team. Atlanta has always had problems selling tickets, even with an NFL icon at QB. It's clear they need a #1 WR and that Moss needs new scenary. As for how they would co-exist. I think quite well. A lot of times the weirdo's tend to mix pretty well together. Atlanta has to get rid of Schuab anyway, else he will leave via free agency after next year.

- Oakland has so many needs offensively that drafting a QB with their first pick isn't going to do much. While Schuab might not be a Davis QB, he is exactly what the Raiders need. He's a accurrate passer that would be excelllent in a three and five step drop set. The Raiders could move to more of a West Coast type offense, which would really benefit the OL in terms of pass blocking. Gallery and company would no longer be required to hold blocks for long periods to time to wait for routes to develop and the QB to make checkdowns. Schuab short and mid range skills were very solid at UVA and he'd work well with Lamont Jordan in that regard. With their first pick they could grab Peterson, Calvin Johnson, Joe Thomas or even Alan Branch. If they draft an offesensive star, suddenly they don't look so bad on O.

Komp
11-29-2006, 12:52 PM
Moss for Leftwich or Plummer or Huard

Moss for Leftwich. Hmmmm...

This trade seems too good to be true, Mike Tice wanted to get Moss, and Leftwich is definitely gone, so trade him to the Raiders. That way they can use their pick on either Calvin Johnson, AP or Joe Thomas, and still get an upgrade at QB. Plus, he has a cannon, which Al Davis loves.

I personally have no interest in Leftwich, dunno about other Raider fans. I'd rather roll the dice on Schaub.

steel man
11-29-2006, 01:15 PM
thats what i was thinking when i made this thread, that moss wants out and vick says thats why he is not a good passer because he does not have a #1 WR(bulls@#$ vick just s*cks) also everyone has Oak drafting Calvin Johnson so they would solve 3 prob. with 1 action. they would get a good QB, get rid of moss because he wants out, and if they draft a #1 WR in Calvin Johnson then you would not need moss(or porter).

Shiver
11-29-2006, 01:19 PM
I can't believe a made up, "what if...", thread like this has made three pages.


:?:

NIN1984
11-29-2006, 01:22 PM
I would trade Moss for Schaub hell even give them Porter

I just want them 2 gone from Oakland

Atl_Takeover
11-29-2006, 02:45 PM
I think atlanta would be hesitant to make this trade because of Moss reputation but you never know.....after the way the WR's has performed this year Arthur Blank might be willing to make a trade like this and it would help both teams out.

Shane P. Hallam
11-29-2006, 03:51 PM
Moss for Leftwich or Plummer or Huard

Moss for Leftwich. Hmmmm...

This trade seems too good to be true, Mike Tice wanted to get Moss, and Leftwich is definitely gone, so trade him to the Raiders. That way they can use their pick on either Calvin Johnson, AP or Joe Thomas, and still get an upgrade at QB. Plus, he has a cannon, which Al Davis loves.

I personally have no interest in Leftwich, dunno about other Raider fans. I'd rather roll the dice on Schaub.

It takes two to tango my friend.

scar988
11-29-2006, 03:57 PM
- Vick/Moss would be the biggest story to hit since the 92 Dream Team. Atlanta has always had problems selling tickets, even with an NFL icon at QB. It's clear they need a #1 WR and that Moss needs new scenary. As for how they would co-exist. I think quite well. A lot of times the weirdo's tend to mix pretty well together. Atlanta has to get rid of Schuab anyway, else he will leave via free agency after next year.
I like it. and honestly Moss would be good here IMO. he would get back to his routine and assuming we fire Mora and hire a good coach like Chow to be our HC and bring in a guy like Tenuta for our DC (it would work with our personnel because he likes to blitz safeties a lot) we could have a beastly team.

TitleTown088
11-30-2006, 02:06 PM
trade him for vick

i concur. 8)

Draft King
11-30-2006, 03:01 PM
If a trade like this actually went down, I would be the happiest man in the world. It's not that Randy Moss can't catch right now in Oakland, it's that he doesn't even concentrate, try, or make an effort anymore with such a terrible offense. I know Arthur Blank didn't want him before because of the potential he saw in Roddy White and Michael Jenkins, but as we all know now, they both are garbage (sad but true Atlanta fans.) Vick clearly has one of the best deep balls and combine that with the explosiveness of Randy Moss we finally have an offense to be feared. Next season I could see us having such an amazing offense, Jerious Norwood looks like he can excel at the full-time RB position and finally an elite reciever like Randy Moss. Combine that with Alge Crumpler, a top-3 TE, Justin Griffith, a top-3 FB, and Michael Vick, one of the biggest gamebreakers in the history of the NFL, you just have to be scared to go up against this offense.