Kobe wants to be traded?

[TPFKA#1SaintsFan]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2886927

Kind of shocking. (Man we need an NBA forum or sub-forum...)

The most interesting thing to note is that Kobe says that he never asked for Shaq to be traded, and Shaq has come out and agreed with Kobe on that matter.

[TPFKA#1SaintsFan]

Bryant was left "beyond furious" by a report in Tuesday's Los Angeles Times that read, "as a Lakers insider notes, it was Bryant's insistence on getting away from Shaquille O'Neal that got them in this mess."

O'Neal was traded to the Miami Heat after the 2003-04 season, and the long-held belief has been that the deteriorating relationship between O'Neal and Bryant was a factor in O'Neal's departure.

In response to the Times' story, Bryant, interviewed by Smith for a Philadelphia Inquirer column, said Buss "called a meeting with me after he spoke with Jim Gray [of ESPN] to talk with him about Shaq's future in the middle of the 2004 season.

"He met with me at the Four Seasons Hotel here [in Los Angeles] across from Fashion Island, which is now the Island Hotel," Bryant told Smith. "I went up to his penthouse suite. [Buss] looks me dead in the face and says: 'Kobe, I am not going to re-sign Shaq. I am not about to pay him $30 million a year or $80 million over three years. No way in hell. I feel like he's getting older. His body is breaking down, and I don't want to pay that money to him when I can get value for him right now rather than wait.

"This is my decision. It's independent of you. My mind is made up. It doesn't matter to me what you do in free agency because I do not want to pay [Shaq], period.' "

"Dr. Buss said that," Bryant told Smith. "And I haven't said anything for years because I've always felt like folks were just looking to create controversy. Now I know. I realize what extent [the Lakers] will go to, to cover themselves."

Reached afterward, O'Neal told Smith that be believed his former teammate beyond reproach.

"I believe Kobe 100 percent," O'Neal said when reached in Los Angeles. "Absolutely. There's no doubt in my mind Kobe is telling the truth. I believe him a thousand percent.


VERY interesting!

[The Unseen]

I had kinda hoped that the Kobe/O'Neal melodrama was put to rest.

[Moses]

Not really a surprise. The Lakers don't have the supporting cast that would allow Kobe to win a championship. They are built for the future. He needs to be on a contender or a team that needs one player to put them over the top.

[Scar]

I wonder what teams have the players or picks in place to even make an offer. Memphis, maybe? Chicago?

[Ewing]

I just tried this on ESPN's NBA Trade Machine. The salaries match up and it's quite possible that Bryant would like to go to the East:

New York Knicks receive:
Kobe Bryant
Kwame Brown

Los Angeles Lakers receive:
Stephon Marbury
Channing Frye
Jamal Crawford

[Moses]

I just tried this on ESPN's NBA Trade Machine. The salaries match up and it's quite possible that Bryant would like to go to the East:

New York Knicks receive:
Kobe Bryant
Kwame Brown

Los Angeles Lakers receive:
Stephon Marbury
Channing Frye
Jamal Crawford

That's a terrible trade for the Lakers.

[Scar]

Kobe would really have to piss off Buss to make him trade him away for nothing though. LA would be getting hosed on that NYK deal you made the dollars work on.

[Ewing]

That's a terrible trade for the Lakers.

Then add in a bunch of draft picks and Nate Robinson.

[Scar]

Trade machine says Kobe to BOS for Paul Pierce works dollar wise. Throw in the #5 pick...

[TPFKA#1SaintsFan]

Trade machine says Kobe to BOS for Paul Pierce works dollar wise. Throw in the #5 pick...

Something along those lines could definitely work. I think Boston would actually have to give up a little bit more, though. Also, keep in mind that Kobe wants to go to a contender...

That Knicks/Lakers trade that was mentioned would never in a million years happen. New York simply doesn't have enough to net Kobe.

[ShutDwn]

Something along those lines could definitely work. I think Boston would actually have to give up a little bit more, though. Also, keep in mind that Kobe wants to go to a contender...

That Knicks/Lakers trade that was mentioned would never in a million years happen. New York simply doesn't have enough to net Kobe.

Does he have a choice where he goes?

[P-L]

Some other ESPN trade machine scenarios (Not really realistic and picks would need to be involved):

Kobe to Chicago -
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=2381~3032~885~110~1016~2789&teams=13~13~13~4~4~4 (http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=2381%7E3032%7E885%7E110%7E1016 %7E2789&teams=13%7E13%7E13%7E4%7E4%7E4)

Kobe to Philly -
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=110~1031~3002~991~2386~2011~55 7&teams=20~20~20~13~13~13~13 (http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=110%7E1031%7E3002%7E991%7E2386 %7E2011%7E557&teams=20%7E20%7E20%7E13%7E13%7E13%7E13)

Kobe to Orlando -
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=110~45~2384~2439~862&teams=19~13~13~13~13 (http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=110%7E45%7E2384%7E2439%7E862&teams=19%7E13%7E13%7E13%7E13)

Kobe to Minnesota -
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=110~1016~261~2777~3031&teams=16~16~13~13~13 (http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=110%7E1016%7E261%7E2777%7E3031&teams=16%7E16%7E13%7E13%7E13)

Kobe to Boston -
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=110~2761~662~2417&teams=2~13~13~13 (http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=110%7E2761%7E662%7E2417&teams=2%7E13%7E13%7E13)

Kobe to Los Angeles -
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=91~2393~110&teams=13~13~12 (http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=91%7E2393%7E110&teams=13%7E13%7E12)

[Paul]

I will give you Jason Terry, Josh Howard, Dasana Diop and whatever 1st Round draft picks the lakers want.

[M.O.T.H.]

Kobe to orlando...yuck...no thanks P-L.

[P-L]

Kobe to orlando...yuck...no thanks P-L.

Me: Not really realistic

[Moses]

Kobe to a lot of these teams doesn't really make sense. Trading a guy like KG, Pierce, etc. for Kobe doesn't really accomplish anything for either team.

[Paul]

Kobe to a lot of these teams doesn't really make sense. Trading a guy like KG, Pierce, etc. for Kobe doesn't really accomplish anything for either team.

Agreed. But you put Kobe and Dirk together, as in my trade, you have one hell of a one two punch.

[M.O.T.H.]

Me: Not really realistic

I know... it just made me cringe a little...haha.

[NYmoney]

later kobe!

[jayceheathman]

Yao Ming for Kobe straight up.

[TPFKA#1SaintsFan]

Does he have a choice where he goes?

Don't know, but I'd be willing to bet that he had something like that put into his contract, he probably has to approve any proposed trade.

I wonder if Philly has enough to get him, I'm sure Kobe wouldn't mind returning home. Something like:

Iguodala, Dalembert, Korver and the #12 & #21 picks for Kobe and Maurice Evans.

Philly would obviously have to give up a lot.

[Scar]

I actually like Kobe to Boston for Pierce and the pick a lot. Boston gets a shot in the arm that they desperately need now that neither Oden nor Durant will be joining the team and unloads Pierce, who's been a malcontent for some time now. LA gets a good SG in pierce to fill Kobe's spot, plus lands a top 5 pick to start rebuilding. The only question left unanswered is if this makes Kobe any happier, probably not, though getting out of that stinkhole LA and laying back in Beantown has got to be good for the blood pressure.

[LitoSheppard]

Bwah, I'm to lazy to read the article, yesterday on sportscenter it said he didn't ask for a trade, did he now?

[Scotty D]

Could Denver somehow get him? hahah. Nene or Martin in the deal. Iverson, Melo, Kobe. Nah.

A sign and trade with Vince Carter. Get Kobe on a team with Jefferson and Kidd?

[Jay]

I think the Celtics going after him starting with Paul Pierce, Gerald Green and the #5 could work. I think something else might end up included, but I think that is a pretty decent return for the Lakers (as a starting point)...

[Paul]

Bwah, I'm to lazy to read the article, yesterday on sportscenter it said he didn't ask for a trade, did he now?

Yup, said clearly and straight up that he wanted to be traded on Stephen A Smith's radio show.

[TPFKA#1SaintsFan]

I think the Celtics going after him starting with Paul Pierce, Gerald Green and the #5 could work. I think something else might end up included, but I think that is a pretty decent return for the Lakers (as a starting point)...

I think the Celts could definitely get Kobe if they include Al Jefferson in the deal, but I don't think that would be a very wise move for Boston.

[NYmoney]

I think the Celtics going after him starting with Paul Pierce, Gerald Green and the #5 could work. I think something else might end up included, but I think that is a pretty decent return for the Lakers (as a starting point)...

I know kobe is one of the best, but I think Pierce, Green, and #5 is too much. That's a TON of talent for one man. Too much.

[NYmoney]

Here's what the C's should offer: Pierce, the guy whose knee exploded, and the #5 for Kobe.

[bored of education]

Ben Gordon and the number 9 pick for Kobe

[M.O.T.H.]

The nets could package Kidd and VC.

[Moses]

Ben Gordon and the number 9 pick for Kobe

hahahahahahahahahahah

[jayceheathman]

Could Denver somehow get him? hahah. Nene or Martin in the deal. Iverson, Melo, Kobe. Nah.

A sign and trade with Vince Carter. Get Kobe on a team with Jefferson and Kidd?

Thats cool to think about but I highly doubt those 3 would get along. None of them would want to pass.

[Scar]

Celt's definitely need to hang on to Al Jefferson so Kobe would at least have someone to pass to on that rare occasion he decides to give up the rock.

[TPFKA#1SaintsFan]

Hmmm... crazy thought, what about Charlotte? With MJ calling the shots... and they could probably put together a decent gift package of Okafor, Felton, Morrison and their 2 first round picks (#8 and #22).

[bored of education]

hahahahahahahahahahah
what, I know the Bulls are getting robbed lol

[Moses]

Kobe would be in the same situation he is in now if he goes to Boston for Pierce. A young team that needs a few years before they can contend. How would that benefit Kobe, Pierce, or either team?

[M.O.T.H.]

I dont think Kobe wants to be a Bobcat...that is such a worse situation than he is already in.

[bored of education]

Kobe on the BULLS ZOMGZ

[Moses]

Kobe to the Pacers...my dream haha.

I can't really think of a package deal that would work.

[M.O.T.H.]

He wont get traded anyway.

[Scotty D]

He wont get traded anyway.

If he does the Laker FO will look horrible. Shaq and Kobe traded away.

[NYmoney]

He wont get traded anyway.

wrong. he'll be traded.

[bored of education]

Tyrus Thomas and Ben Gordon to the Lakers for Kobe!

Heinrich
Kobe
Deng
Wallace
Hawes

Duhon
Sweetney
Griffin
Nocioni
Sefolosha
Allen

[P-L]

Kobe to a lot of these teams doesn't really make sense. Trading a guy like KG, Pierce, etc. for Kobe doesn't really accomplish anything for either team.

Kobe to any of the contenders doesn't really make sense. It's going to be much harder to trade Kobe than it was to trade Shaq, mainly due to his position. Most of the contenders already have a superstar (or near superstar) that can score at either SG or SF. In the East you have Detroit, Miami, Cleveland, and Chicago. You can't pair him LeBron or Wade (especially since Shaq is in Miami). I can't see him going to the Pistons at all and Chicago was one of my possible scenarios. In the West you have Pheonix, San Antonio, Dallas, Utah, and Houston. I don't see him fitting in on Utah, Pheonix certainly won't take him, the Spurs aren't going to break up their team for him, and you can't pair him with McGrady. Dallas could work I guess. But for Kobe to be happy you're going to have to trade him to a team with a very good point guard or a dominant PF or C. A team that is close to contending is not going to have enough to get him without giving up their PG or bigman. I'd like to see how many semi-realistic scenarios all of us could come up with. I can't imagine there are many.

[Moses]

I hope Pacers package like Dunleavy, Daniels, Granger, Diogu, and Murphy for Kobe.

[M.O.T.H.]

Here you go...haha.

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=110~2166~510&teams=21~13~13

[-black]

Maic should do a sign and trade with Rashard Lewis

Lakers:

Lewis
Darko
Jammeel Nelson or Trevor Ariza
1st round pick

Magic:
Kobe Bryant


wishful thinking

[NYmoney]

Tyrus Thomas and Ben Gordon to the Lakers for Kobe!

Heinrich
Kobe
Deng
Wallace
Hawes

Duhon
Sweetney
Griffin
Nocioni
Sefolosha
Allen

do you really thinkt he lakers would only take TT & BG for Kobe? come on. you're actually a very astute nba fan. The Bulls would have to give up much more than just that.

[M.O.T.H.]

Maic should do a sign and trade with Rashard Lewis

Lakers:

Lewis
Darko
Jammeel Nelson or Trevor Ariza
1st round pick

Magic:
Kobe Bryant


wishful thinking

I would be pissed.

[Scotty D]

Rip + Both 2007 1st rounders + Nazr Mohammed + Delfino

[Scar]

Chicago seems like a realistic landing spot. Nocioni is expendable and Ben Gordon would be too if Kobe were received in return. Throw in that #9 pick for value. Only problem is making the dollars work. There's at least a $10 million disparity in the paychecks swapping hands there.

[M.O.T.H.]

Like i said on the previous page...

Barbosa
Marion

for

Kobe

Suns we're thinking about making a run at Rashard, why not Kobe?

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=110~2166~510&teams=21~13~13

[DChess]

dwayne wade for kobe...

[bored of education]

I really think Chicago is gonna make some sort of deal.

[Scotty D]

Like i said on the previous page...

Barbosa
Marion

for

Kobe

Suns we're thinking about making a run at Rashard, why not Kobe?

Better have Raja Bell going to LA. :)

[Paul]

Stephen A. Smith: Is there anything the Lakers can do, to persuade you to remain with the Lakers?

Kobe Bryant: Naw bro


Come on Cuban!

[Scar]

I thought Phoenix was only thinking about dumping Marion because they don't want to pay the luxury tax, bringing Kobe in would definitely not help with that.

[jayceheathman]

Kobe to any of the contenders doesn't really make sense. It's going to be much harder to trade Kobe than it was to trade Shaq, mainly due to his position. Most of the contenders already have a superstar (or near superstar) that can score at either SG or SF. In the East you have Detroit, Miami, Cleveland, and Chicago. You can't pair him LeBron or Wade (especially since Shaq is in Miami). I can't see him going to the Pistons at all and Chicago was one of my possible scenarios. In the West you have Pheonix, San Antonio, Dallas, Utah, and Houston. I don't see him fitting in on Utah, Pheonix certainly won't take him, the Spurs aren't going to break up their team for him, and you can't pair him with McGrady. Dallas could work I guess. But for Kobe to be happy you're going to have to trade him to a team with a very good point guard or a dominant PF or C. A team that is close to contending is not going to have enough to get him without giving up their PG or bigman. I'd like to see how many semi-realistic scenarios all of us could come up with. I can't imagine there are many.

TMac and Kobe might work. TMac is getting more and more assists every year and doesnt seem to mind giving the ball up to his team mates. He did get 13 assists in one game during the playoffs. I dont think Houston has anything to give up except Yao and I dont see them giving him up.

[bored of education]

Chicago trades
Number 9
Chris Duhon
Ben Gordon
Tyrus Thomas to the Lakers for Kobe

[DChess]

i think he will stay in los angeles, but as a clipper. they were really pursueing him when he was a free agent, why not trade, livingston, mobley, magghetee and a draft pick

[M.O.T.H.]

I thought Phoenix was only thinking about dumping Marion because they don't want to pay the luxury tax, bringing Kobe in would definitely not help with that.

Yeah, i heard that but, i dont know how much truth there is to that... beacuse, there has been a lot of Rashard Lewis talk lately.

[TPFKA#1SaintsFan]

i think he will stay in los angeles, but as a clipper. they were really pursueing him when he was a free agent, why not trade, livingston, mobley, magghetee and a draft pick

Livingston's future is very much up in the air right now. And I don't think trading Kobe to the other LA team would be a very wise idea at all...

[DChess]

the nuggets should get him, because they showed how well two scorers could work togehter

[M.O.T.H.]

Chicago trades
Number 9
Chris Duhon
Ben Gordon
Tyrus Thomas to the Lakers for Kobe

salaries dont add up.

[Scar]

I think any Bulls scenario that wouldn't involve trading Big Ben away is going to require moving PJ Brown and his bloated salary just to make the caps work.

[Tobzilla]

Kobe and KG in Minnesota would make me cry for joy, but I doubt it we could make that happen.

Maybe our pick this year and next along with mccants.

[jag]

This royally sucks. I'm a Laker fan, and I don't care who we get in return. Unless we somehow get Kevin Durant or Greg Oden out of this I won't watch any games this year.




AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH KOBEEEE DONT GOO!... :(

[M.O.T.H.]

The only thing Minny has to acquire Kobe would be KG...they dont have many attractive pieces outside of him.

[TPFKA#1SaintsFan]

I'd say Kobe to Chicago has the best chance of happening. I think Deng and Hinrich are their only two "untouchables" and they have a good amount of bait; plus, Chicago is a contender and a big market and thus, there's a good chance Kobe would approve that trade.

Gordon
Nocioni
Thomas
#9 pick

It could work...

[M.O.T.H.]

This royally sucks. I'm a Laker fan, and I don't care who we get in return. Unless we somehow get Kevin Durant or Greg Oden out of this I won't watch any games this year.




AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH KOBEEEE DONT GOO!... :(

Lets hope you dont get shafted like us magic fans.... Francis, Mobley, and Cato...oh my god!

[Windy]

wheres sarf? he must be crying.

[Tobzilla]

The only thing Minny has to acquire Kobe would be KG...they dont have many attractive pieces outside of him.


Picks along with mccants and/or foye would be good enough, maybe throw in a big salary like blount. But I would hate to part with foye.

[jag]

Lets hope you dont get shafted like us magic fans.... Francis, Mobley, and Cato...oh my god!

This sucks though, without Kobe were one of the worst teams in the league. Kobe's been playing with a bunch of Scrubs the past 3 years, and looked pretty damn good doing it. I'd hate to see him go, omg.

[M.O.T.H.]

Picks along with mccants and/or foye would be good enough. But I would hate to part with foye.

Minny cant add kobe's contract only with a Mccants departure.

[TPFKA#1SaintsFan]

I'd say Kobe to Chicago has the best chance of happening. I think Deng and Hinrich are their only two "untouchables" and they have a good amount of bait; plus, Chicago is a contender and a big market and thus, there's a good chance Kobe would approve that trade.

Gordon
Nocioni
Thomas
#9 pick

It could work...

Chicago could throw in P.J. Brown's expiring contract, too. I'm definitely starting to think that if Kobe goes anywhere, it will be Chicago.

[Windy]

too bad the lakers would never trade with the warriors.

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=2427~2751~378~1018~110&teams=13~13~13~13~9

[jag]

Chicago could throw in P.J. Brown's expiring contract, too. I'm definitely starting to think that if Kobe goes anywhere, it will be Chicago.

That's probably the one place I wouldn't mind him going, the Bulls are probably the team I watch the most outside of the Lakers and Cavs.

[M.O.T.H.]

lakers would have a playoff team right there...haha.

[bored of education]

HHAAHAHAh I heart you Windy

[Paul]

Dallas Gives:
Jason Terry
Josh Howard
Erick Dampier
#34 pick in 2007
Future 1st rounder

Lakers Give:
Kobe Bryant
Brian Cook

Why this will work for both teams. First off getting Jason Terry will fill a need at PG for Lakers, Smush is decent at best and Farmer is still young. You get a experienced PG who can score. Plus the mavs have been rumored to be shopping him around anyways.Josh Howard, an all-star swing man who can replace Kobe on the perimeter. He is still developing and can do the little things that Phil will love. Erick Dampier really a throw in to match salaries, plus can hold down the C spot till Bynum is ready. He is very capable rebounder and shotblocker. The 34th pick this year and future first rounder will is to sweeten the deal.

Mavs has always had great depth, and losing those 3 guys will hurt. But to get a player like Kobe with his killer instinct, something I have to say Dirk lacks, is something Cuban, Nellie and Avery will love. We have Devin Harris who can step in at PG for Terry, Kobe is an upgrade over J-Ho offensively and defensively. The only thing that would worry me would be depth at C and experience at PG. But the dream of Kobe and Dirk together is just...HELL YES.

[jag]

Dallas Gives:
Jason Terry
Josh Howard
Erick Dampier
#34 pick in 2007
Future 1st rounder

Lakers Give:
Kobe Bryant
Brian Cook

Why this will work for both teams. First off getting Jason Terry will fill a need at PG for Lakers, Smush is decent at best and Farmer is still young. You get a experienced PG who can score. Plus the mavs have been rumored to be shopping him around anyways.Josh Howard, an all-star swing man who can replace Kobe on the perimeter. He is still developing and can do the little things that Phil will love. Erick Dampier really a throw in to match salaries, plus can hold down the C spot till Bynum is ready. He is very capable rebounder and shotblocker. The 34th pick this year and future first rounder will is to sweeten the deal.

Mavs has always had great depth, and losing those 3 guys will hurt. But to get a player like Kobe with his killer instinct, something I have to say Dirk lacks, is something Cuban, Nellie and Avery will love. We have Devin Harris who can step in at PG for Terry, Kobe is an upgrade over J-Ho offensively and defensively. The only thing that would worry me would be depth at C and experience at PG. But the dream of Kobe and Dirk together is just...HELL YES.

That's actually not a bad trade... at all.

[M.O.T.H.]

Kings could always package Bibby and Artest together.

[jag]

Kings could always package Bibby and Artest together.

No they couldn't...

[M.O.T.H.]

No they couldn't...

why not???

[jag]

why not???

Because I don't like it...

[M.O.T.H.]

Because I don't like it...

haha... I wouldnt like it if i were a laker fan either.

[Ewing]

Kings could always package Bibby and Artest together.

As much as I dislike Kobe Bryant for the pain he's caused the Kings if he were to join Sacramento I would instantly like him for obivious reasons.

[NYmoney]

Kings could always package Bibby and Artest together.

bibby's contract is horrible, and he's downhill. artest is a headcase. he'd be out of control in LA. i look forward to this potential trade materializing.

[M.O.T.H.]

I seriously doubt he gets traded but, if he does... the better get themselves a PG in the deal...

[Ewing]

Los Angeles Lakers receive:
Mike Bibby
Ron Artest
Kevin Martin
#10 Draft Pick
Future First Round Pick

Sacramento Kings receive:
Kobe Bryant
Andrew Bynum
Jordan Farmar

[jag]

My head hurts from thinking about how bad we're gonna be this year.

[bernbabybern820]

As a Rocket fan i would give up Tmac and our #25 pick for Kobe.

[bored of education]

''Unless we're talking a top-10 player in the league, or a top-five player ... who lets them go?'' Paxson said. ''To dismantle and take so many of our assets and move them, I'm not sure how much better we would be. What do we replace them with? That's always what becomes the question.''

in reference to Deng and gordon
i think he is a top 10 player..kobe that is

http://www.suntimes.com/sports/basketball/bulls/395307,CST-SPT-bull22.article

[Jelephant87]

I am a Chicago fan and I believe they are the most likely landing spot for various reasons others have listed (young talent, media market) plus Kobe that about signing with them before re-signing with L.A. I wonder what the value difference is between Gordon and Deng. Obviously Chicago doesn't want to give up Deng so something like Gordon/Nocioni/Thomas/#9 pick. I believe they'd have to re-sign Nocioni first but for those throwing P.J. Brown's name out there, he's a free agent so they can't include his expiring contract. This would make it difficult to match salaries because Wallace is really the only player with a large salary on the team. Either way I'd like to see Bryant in a Bulls uniform.

[-black]

I would be pissed.

I'd love havin Dwight and Kobe on the same team...

C-Dwight
PF-?
SF-Turkolu
SG-Kobe
PG-Jameer/Dooling/Ariza/Arroya?

[jag]

''Unless we're talking a top-10 player in the league, or a top-five player ... who lets them go?'' Paxson said. ''To dismantle and take so many of our assets and move them, I'm not sure how much better we would be. What do we replace them with? That's always what becomes the question.''


i think he is a top 10 player..kobe that is

Top Five at worst, IMO should of been MVP this year.

[TPFKA#1SaintsFan]

Los Angeles Lakers receive:
Mike Bibby
Ron Artest
Kevin Martin
#10 Draft Pick
Future First Round Pick

Sacramento Kings receive:
Kobe Bryant
Andrew Bynum
Jordan Farmar

Huh? Why on earth would the Lakers trade Bynum? He's supposed to be their future.

[Ewing]

Huh? Why on earth would the Lakers trade Bynum? He's supposed to be their future.

Because Kevin Martin and that number ten pick are the future of the Kings.

[M.O.T.H.]

Bynum's name always surfaces in trade rumors.

[Moses]

Los Angeles Lakers receive:
Mike Bibby
Ron Artest
Kevin Martin
#10 Draft Pick
Future First Round Pick

Sacramento Kings receive:
Kobe Bryant
Andrew Bynum
Jordan Farmar

Ummmm? Why? That would be the worst trade in NBA history.

[TPFKA#1SaintsFan]

Because Kevin Martin and that number ten pick are the future of the Kings.

Bynum's potential far exceeds anything in that trade with the exception of, who else, KOBE.

[bored of education]

Paxson said the Bulls have the financial resources to retain Gordon, Deng and Andres Nocioni, who will be a restricted free agent July 1, meaning the Bulls have the right to match any offer he receives.

Contract talks with Gordon and Deng will begin in August.

''I have no idea what Ben and Lu are going to be looking for,'' Paxson said. ''I'll make a very fair offer to begin with. An extension is not something that is a given. They will be restricted next year, so there has to be some give and take.

''If there is, you usually get a deal done. If not, then we go into the season with no changes. We still have them as players, and we are still in the position to re-sign them next summer. So I don't look at it as a do-or-die thing.''

The only way either Gordon or Deng would not be back is if an impossible-to-turn-down trade presented itself.

''Unless we're talking a top-10 player in the league, or a top-five player ... who lets them go?'' Paxson said. ''To dismantle and take so many of our assets and move them, I'm not sure how much better we would be. What do we replace them with? That's always what becomes the question.''




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Could they give Gordon an extension like 4 years, 32 then trade?

[Ewing]

Bynum's potential far exceeds anything in that trade with the exception of, who else, KOBE.

Martin and either Acie Law or Julian Wright combined have more potential than Bynum has by himself.

[eacantdraft]

Kobe has no one else to blame for this other than himself. He wanted Shaq gone and be the lone star on the Lakers. He got his wish. Another example of a self centered selfish athlete.

[TPFKA#1SaintsFan]

Martin and either Acie Law or Julian Wright combined have more potential than Bynum has by himself.

Center is far and away the hardest position to find quality talent at in today's NBA. Bynum has the potential to be very good, maybe even great, and he's only 20 years old. No way in hell LA lets him go just yet.

[TPFKA#1SaintsFan]

Kobe has no one else to blame for this other than himself. He wanted Shaq gone and be the lone star on the Lakers. He got his wish. Another example of a self centered selfish athlete.

Read the goddamned article you fool.

[Moses]

Martin and either Acie Law or Julian Wright combined have more potential than Bynum has by himself.

That trade is the worst I have ever seen. How can you justify trading two top prospects and the best player in the league for a has-been, old PG, a complete headcase that no team wants, a good shooting guard, and a couple picks? The Lakers downgrade in every conceivable way with that trade.

[Windy]

some of these trades are pretty bad. this isn't pau gasol or zach randolph. it's kobe.

[Ewing]

Center is far and away the hardest position to find quality talent at in today's NBA. Bynum has the potential to be very good, maybe even great, and he's only 20 years old. No way in hell LA lets him go just yet.

I don't know; for one of the top three precentage shooters in the game who has a chance to be even better and a clutch point guard like Law or a Boris Diaw type player in Julian Wright it would be very tempting.

[bored of education]

Bulls trade:
Gordon
Deng
P.J Brown

Lakers trade:
Kobe Bryant



someone see if that works?

[Ewing]

That trade is the worst I have ever seen. How can you justify trading two top prospects and the best player in the league for a has-been, old PG, a complete headcase that no team wants, a good shooting guard, and a couple picks? The Lakers downgrade in every conceivable way with that trade.


Has-been old PG? Bibby is not that bad. He's still one of the top five point guards in the league and always shows up when it counts. Artest might be a headcase but the Lakers were looking to aquire him recently so why would their stance on him change now? Martin is growing into one of the best shooters in the league and either Law or Wright would be a great addition. You know how how I can justify it? This is the same front office that traded Shaq for Lamar Odom.

[TPFKA#1SaintsFan]

I don't know; for one of the top three precentage shooters in the game who has a chance to be even better and a clutch point guard like Law or a Boris Diaw type player in Julian Wright it would be very tempting.

No it wouldn't. It would be a terribly ****** trade.

[NYmoney]

Because Kevin Martin and that number ten pick are the future of the Kings.

one team's future player does not equal the others. that's like saying next year that portland could trade oden for bogut. horrible idea.

[M.O.T.H.]

Isnt PJ Brown a Free Agent?

[bored of education]

You maybe right fawk

trade everyone on the Bulls except Heinrich, Thomas, Wallace, Duhon and Sepholosha.

[NYmoney]

Has-been old PG? Bibby is not that bad. He's still one of the top five point guards in the league and always shows up when it counts. Artest might be a headcase but the Lakers were looking to aquire him recently so why would their stance on him change now? Martin is growing into one of the best shooters in the league and either Law or Wright would be a great addition. You know how how I can justify it? This is the same front office that traded Shaq for Lamar Odom.

bibby top 5???// no way.

1. nash
2. kidd
3. baron
4. williams (derron)
5. cp3

[eacantdraft]

Read the goddamned article you fool.

I'm not going to beleive everything a disgruntled player says. Kobe certainly wasn't sing this tune 4 years ago. The news reports then were quite different. Kobe and Shaq clearly hated one another then.

And Buss wouldn't break up his championship team if his stars weren't feuding.

[M.O.T.H.]

Has-been old PG? Bibby is not that bad. He's still one of the top five point guards in the league and always shows up when it counts. Artest might be a headcase but the Lakers were looking to aquire him recently so why would their stance on him change now? Martin is growing into one of the best shooters in the league and either Law or Wright would be a great addition. You know how how I can justify it? This is the same front office that traded Shaq for Lamar Odom.

They wouldnt trade Martin... Bibby and Artest def. but, not Martin...

[NYmoney]

Isnt PJ Brown a Free Agent?

yes he is. 10 chara

[Windy]

i don't think the lakers would trade him to another team in the west. maybe if they got an amazing offer.

[TPFKA#1SaintsFan]

I'm not going to beleive everything a disgruntled player says. Kobe certainly wasn't sing this tune 4 years ago. The news reports then were quite different. Kobe and Shaq clearly hated one another then.

And Buss wouldn't break up his championship team if his stars weren't feuding.

Again, read the damn article. Kobe talks about why he kept his mouth shut. Shaq even chimes in with his opinion on the issue. You have no clue what you're talking about, as usual.

[M.O.T.H.]

i don't think the lakers would trade him to another team in the west. maybe if they got an amazing offer.

Like Marion and Barbosa...haha.

I'd take that...

[NYmoney]

Ummmm? Why? That would be the worst trade in NBA history.

i completely agree. the kings are clear winners in that trade. why not throw in odom too?

[Windy]

Like Marion and Barbosa...haha.

I'd take that...


yea that would be an unfair team.

[NYmoney]

Again, read the damn article. Kobe talks about why he kept his mouth shut. Shaq even chimes in with his opinion on the issue. You have no clue what you're talking about, as usual.

you're asking me to believe everything Kobe says. ummm, from an adulterers mouth..no thanks.

[Ewing]

No it wouldn't. It would be a terribly ****** trade.

And your trade of AI, Dalembert, and Korver for Kobe is any better?

[Moses]

Has-been old PG? Bibby is not that bad. He's still one of the top five point guards in the league and always shows up when it counts. Artest might be a headcase but the Lakers were looking to aquire him recently so why would their stance on him change now? Martin is growing into one of the best shooters in the league and either Law or Wright would be a great addition. You know how how I can justify it? This is the same front office that traded Shaq for Lamar Odom.

Bibby is not a top 5 PG. Artest is a headcase and the Lakers would not give up anything major for him. He was talking about retiring earlier this year. Martin is a nice player, but he's nowhere near Kobe. Why would the Lakers trade their top 2 prospects and the BEST PLAYER IN THE NBA for an older PG, a good shooting guard, and an absolute headcase. There is no logic there.

[TPFKA#1SaintsFan]

Like Marion and Barbosa...haha.

I'd take that...

Marion's a good player but he's nowhere near as good defensively as he gets credit for. Barbosa is one of the guys who I think sees his stats and game elevated most by playing with Steve Nash. Those two are not nearly enough for Kobe.

[Ewing]

bibby top 5???// no way.

1. nash
2. kidd
3. baron
4. williams (derron)
5. cp3

Wait until Paul and Williams have another year before you start putting them in top five discussions.

[Ewing]

Bibby is not a top 5 PG. Artest is a headcase and the Lakers would not give up anything major for him. He was talking about retiring earlier this year. Martin is a nice player, but he's nowhere near Kobe. Why would the Lakers trade their top 2 prospects and the BEST PLAYER IN THE NBA for an older PG, a good shooting guard, and an absolute headcase. There is no logic there.

Why would they trade Shaq for Lamar Odom? There is no logic there either but they stil did it.

[SeanTaylorRIP]

You can't trade a superstar like Kobe, you will never get equal value in return. Throw the entire team for Kevin Garnett or Jermaine Oneal to make him happy.

[NYmoney]

Wait until Paul and Williams have another year before you start putting them in top five discussions.

i'll keep williams and his 29ppg series avg against the spurs at 4, and cp3 has one of the highest assts/to ratios in the league. i'm happy with the standings. very happy.

[bernbabybern820]

You can't trade a superstar like Kobe, you will never get equal value in return. Throw the entire team for Kevin Garnett or Jermaine Oneal to make him happy.

Tmac and the #25 is probably the closest one.

[Charm City Byrdgang]

bibby top 5???// no way.

1. nash
2. kidd
3. baron
4. williams (derron)
5. cp3

Gilbert Arenas!?!?! Tony Parker!?!?!?! Chauncey Billups!?!??!! CP3 is so ovvvvveraaaaaaaaated hes a great prospect but hes not better than these guys right now.

[bored of education]

Williams and Paul have everyright to be in top 10

[Moses]

Why would they trade Shaq for Lamar Odom? There is no logic there either but they stil did it.

Alright, here's my proposed trade:

Pacers Receive:
Kobe Bryant
Andrew Bynum
Jordan Farmar

Lakers Receive:
2 First Round Picks
Jamaal Tinsley
David Harrison
Danny Granger

It's a terrible trade for the Lakers, but I think it will happen because I love the Indiana Pacers and would love for them to be involved in a completely unrealistic trade scenario that would change them from a bottom of the barrell team to a contender for 10 years.

[NYmoney]

Gilbert Arenas!?!?! Tony Parker!?!?!?! Chauncey Billups!?!??!! CP3 is so ovvvvveraaaaaaaaated hes a great prospect but hes not better than these guys right now.

my apologies to gilbert. he's definitely #3 on my list. sorry to Agent Zero.

[LitoSheppard]

1.Steve Nash
2.Gilbert Arenas ( if he couns as a PG)
3.Jason Kidd
4.Tony Parker
5.Chauncey Billiups

[eacantdraft]

Again, read the damn article. Kobe talks about why he kept his mouth shut. Shaq even chimes in with his opinion on the issue. You have no clue what you're talking about, as usual.

I read it and I still don't believe what Kobe says. Shaq is going along just not to revive old feelings. Kobe was also the one who suggested Shaq paid off women to prevent them from finally sexual assault charges after Kobe was charged with rape.

Kobe is still an immature brat.

[NYmoney]

Gilbert Arenas!?!?! Tony Parker!?!?!?! Chauncey Billups!?!??!! CP3 is so ovvvvveraaaaaaaaated hes a great prospect but hes not better than these guys right now.

lemme ask you this: who would you rather have on your team: CP3 or Chauncey? I would absolutely take CP3 over Chauncey and his big ass forehead.

[LitoSheppard]

lemme ask you this: who would you rather have on your team: CP3 or Chauncey? I would absolutely take CP3 over Chauncey and his big ass forehead.

Chauncey is way better..

[bored of education]

Kobe will be a Chicago Bull by Sept. 1.

[Moses]

I read it and I still don't believe what Kobe says. Shaq is going along just not to revive old feelings. Kobe was also the one who suggested Shaq paid off women to prevent them from finally sexual assault charges after Kobe was charged with rape.

Kobe is still an immature brat.

You just hate every superstar athlete. That's what it really comes down to.

[TPFKA#1SaintsFan]

And your trade of AI, Dalembert, and Korver for Kobe is any better?

Much better. Iguodala is a rising star, Dalembert is a solid player down low, and Korver is a deadly shooter. They're all young and on the upswing on their careers. Don't forget about Philly's 2 first round draft picks, either.

[NYmoney]

Alright, here's my proposed trade:

Pacers Receive:
Kobe Bryant
Andrew Bynum
Jordan Farmar

Lakers Receive:
2 First Round Picks
Jamaal Tinsley
David Harrison
Danny Granger

It's a terrible trade for the Lakers, but I think it will happen because I love the Indiana Pacers and would love for them to be involved in a completely unrealistic trade scenario that would change them from a bottom of the barrell team to a contender for 10 years.

sorry son. Larry Bird is too mentally challenged to trade and come out the winner.

[Ewing]

Alright, here's my proposed trade:

Pacers Receive:
Kobe Bryant
Andrew Bynum
Jordan Farmar

Lakers Receive:
2 First Round Picks
Jamaal Tinsley
David Harrison
Danny Granger

It's a terrible trade for the Lakers, but I think it will happen because I love the Indiana Pacers and would love for them to be involved in a completely unrealistic trade scenario that would change them from a bottom of the barrell team to a contender for 10 years.

You know damn well Artest, Martin, and Bibby are all light years ahead of Tinsley, Harrison, and Granger. Did I ever say that it will happen? No jackass, I said it's possible. Anything is possible in this league. I'm biased as crap and I know that. I only want the best for the Kings and the worst for the Lakers. How dare I throw out a trade that probably doesn't have a great chance of happening but it's still possible under the rules of trade in the NBA.

[Moses]

You know damn well Artest, Martin, and Bibby are all light years ahead of Tinsley, Harrison, and Granger. Did I ever say that it will happen? No jackass, I said it's possible. Anything is possible in this league. I'm biased as crap and I know that. I only want the best for the Kings and the worst for the Lakers. How dare I throw out a trade that probably doesn't have a great chance of happening but it's still possible under the rules of trade in the NBA.

As is my trade. Why would you post such an idiotic trade that would never happen?

[TPFKA#1SaintsFan]

You know damn well Artest, Martin, and Bibby are all light years ahead of Tinsley, Harrison, and Granger. Did I ever say that it will happen? No jackass, I said it's possible. Anything is possible in this league. I'm biased as crap and I know that. I only want the best for the Kings and the worst for the Lakers. How dare I throw out a trade that probably doesn't have a great chance of happening but it's still possible under the rules of trade in the NBA.

I could say that trading Kobe Bryant for Brian Scalabrine is possible. Doesn't mean that I wouldn't deserve to be called an idiot for even suggesting it.

[SeanTaylorRIP]

A actual possible trade rumor is Kobe for #3 and Joe Johnson. Honestly if you are the Hawks I wouldn't do it, it would make your team worse , but then again PA standpoint it would be excellent. For the Lakers they would get an Allstar shooting guard who is young and a top 5 SG in the league and Mike Conley Jr.

[NYmoney]

what about atl? they were going to trade away the #3. what about the #3, joe johnson, and josh smith for kobe?

[NYmoney]

A actual possible trade rumor is Kobe for #3 and Joe Johnson. Honestly if you are the Hawks I wouldn't do it, it would make your team worse , but then again PA standpoint it would be excellent. For the Lakers they would get an Allstar shooting guard who is young and a top 5 SG in the league and Mike Conley Jr.

you beat me to the punch.

[jkpigskin]

kobe to the bulls!!!

[eacantdraft]

You just hate every superstar athlete. That's what it really comes down to.

No I don't. I just don't like the whining selfish criminal underacheivers. One of which is Kobe. I have no problem with Shaq, Jordan, and others who accomplish something.

[SeanTaylorRIP]

what about atl? they were going to trade away the #3. what about the #3, joe johnson, and josh smith for kobe?

No chance in hell, JJ and JSmoove together blow out Kobe, add the #3 pick no chance, but if that did happen the Lakers would be sick as hell.

[NYmoney]

No chance in hell, JJ and JSmoove together blow out Kobe, add the #3 pick no chance, but if that did happen the Lakers would be sick as hell.

you're talking about billy knight. the man is a ******* fool. you already heard what they were offering for aldridge. it's completely possible.

[Moses]

No I don't. I just don't like the whining selfish criminal underacheivers. One of which is Kobe. I have no problem with Shaq, Jordan, and others who accomplish something.

Kobe is an underachiever? Right, the best player in the NBA who has 3 rings is an underachiever.

[Ewing]

As is my trade. Why would you post such an idiotic trade that would never happen?

There is a better chance of my trade happening than there is of yours.

I could say that trading Kobe Bryant for Brian Scalabrine is possible. Doesn't mean that I wouldn't deserve to be called an idiot for even suggesting it.

No, it's not. You would be called an idiot because their salaries don't even come close to matching up.

[NYmoney]

Kobe is an underachiever? Right, the best player in the NBA who has 3 rings is an underachiever.

you do have to admit that he has not achieved much success without shaq. that's where that comment must stem from; although i do not agree.

[SeanTaylorRIP]

you do have to admit that he has not achieved much success without shaq. that's where that comment must stem from; although i do not agree.

Stats wise he has been much better without Shaq.

[eacantdraft]

Kobe is an underachiever? Right, the best player in the NBA who has 3 rings is an underachiever.

He is not the best player in the NBA. How many MVP awards and trips to the finals or semifinals does Kobe have without Shaq?

[NYmoney]

Stats wise he has been much better without Shaq.

# of rings is the determing stat for sucess in pro sports.

[D-Unit]

you do have to admit that he has not achieved much success without shaq. that's where that comment must stem from; although i do not agree.
Yeah, you don't go far with Kwame Brown, Smush Parker and a bunch of holigans. I don't blame Kobe for not winning the championship... but I definitely credit him for taking that worthless team to the playoffs.

[bantx]

Kobe to Houston kobe n yao = ownage

[Brodeur]

I could see him going to the Clippers for Maggette, Livingston, Thomas, and 2 1st rounders.

[D-Unit]

# of rings is the determing stat for sucess in pro sports.
So Robert Horry > Magic, Bird and MJ?


Oooookaaaay.......

[SeanTaylorRIP]

you do have to admit that he has not achieved much success without shaq. that's where that comment must stem from; although i do not agree.

I could see him going to the Clippers for Maggette, Livingston, Thomas, and 2 1st rounders.

Not enough, Maggette bleh, Livingston career done, Thomas over the hill, 2 first rounders in the mid-late first.

[eacantdraft]

Stats wise he has been much better without Shaq.

You shoot the ball 40 times a game you are going to have good stats. There is more to basketball than stats. Like success in the post season.

The Kobster has never had more than 45 wins after Shaq left.

[NYmoney]

So Robert Horry > Magic, Bird and MJ?


Oooookaaaay.......

anecdotal evidence. mj>>>>gerald wallace; hakeem the dream>>>>>shawn bradley; rasheed wallace>>>>>robert swift.

come on now. be sensible

[NYmoney]

here's what buss should do: 1. read the bill simmons article and follow bs' advice by saying "kobe, you wanted to be our franchise player. we are paying you franchise money. you will never be traded. end of press conference." 2. leave stage left.

really, if your the lakers, you're not going to get a fair trade for kobe. it's impossible when the player is just that good. so you HAVE to seriously think about not trading him and going after someone else to make him happy.

[Brodeur]

Not enough, Maggette bleh, Livingston career done, Thomas over the hill, 2 first rounders in the mid-late first.

Kobe has a no trade clause and I could see him being interested in going to the Clippers. Maggette is a very good player when he's starting, Livingston COULD still play (and even when crippled, he's better than the Lakers PG's), Thomas is well Thomas and the 2 1st's are just there. I honestly don't like the trade for the Lakers but I just don't think they will get fair value for Kobe at all.

[sweetness34]

I just tried this on ESPN's NBA Trade Machine. The salaries match up and it's quite possible that Bryant would like to go to the East:

New York Knicks receive:
Kobe Bryant
Kwame Brown

Los Angeles Lakers receive:
Stephon Marbury
Channing Frye
Jamal Crawford

No way in hell that happens. The value isn't even close on the Knicks side.

[TPFKA#1SaintsFan]

No, it's not. You would be called an idiot because their salaries don't even come close to matching up.

Extreme example, but an example nonetheless that there is a fine line between what is "possible" and what is completely idiotic, and you're walking it like a tightrope.

[Windy]

What teams would Kobe approve?

Chicago
Philadelphia
New York
New Jersey?

[Ewing]

Extreme example, but an example nonetheless that there is a fine line between what is "possible" and what is completely idiotic, and you're walking it like a tightrope.

Alright then what about instead of Farmar you make it Smush? That any better?

[gbpackers0065]

What teams would Kobe approve?

Chicago
Philadelphia
New York
New Jersey?

I think he'd approve every team..

[NYmoney]

What teams would Kobe approve?

Chicago
Philadelphia
New York
New Jersey?

why philly?

[D-Unit]

anecdotal evidence. mj>>>>gerald wallace; hakeem the dream>>>>>shawn bradley; rasheed wallace>>>>>robert swift.

come on now. be sensible
anecdotal evidence? Nah, that's more like common sense.

# of championships do represent how successful you were as a player, but it doesn't determine how good you were as a player.

[D-Unit]

why philly?
Cause he's from Philly... but I don't think he'd want to play for them after the way they boo him everytime he plays there.

If he gets traded, I say he'll go to NY.

[eacantdraft]

And I love this quote from the Kobster.

"And I haven't said anything for years because I've always felt like folks were just looking to create controversy"

The Kobster is king at looking to create controversy. From his comment about Shaq and then Karl Malone.

Like this.
During the rape investigation, Kobe told police that “he should have done what Shaq does ... that Shaq would pay his women not to say anything” and that Shaq already had paid up to $1 million “for situations like this.”

And this.
In 2004, a dispute between Bryant and former teammate Malone became public prior to Malone's expected re-signing with the Lakers. Bryant claimed Malone had made inappropriate comments to Bryant's wife. Malone claimed the comments were in jest and that Bryant was overreacting.

The Kobster symbolizes class.

[NYmoney]

anecdotal evidence? Nah, that's more like common sense.

# of championships do represent how successful you were as a player, but it doesn't determine how good you were as a player.

no one said it determines how good you are. that's your own little addition to my commentary. purely supplemental. i never said, nor implied such theories.

[SeanTaylorRIP]

How bout Charlotte? MJ is there and I'm sure would want Kobe.

Give #8 Pick overall, 2008 First rounder, Gerald Wallace via sign and trade, Adam Morrison, and Sean May. For the Cats you still keep franchise guys in Okafor and Felton.

[NYmoney]

How bout Charlotte? MJ is there and I'm sure would want Kobe.

Give #8 Pick overall, 2008 First rounder, Gerald Wallace via sign and trade, Adam Morrison, and Sean May. For the Cats you still keep franchise guys in Okafor and Felton.

kobe would squash that. same reason why AI squashed the trade to Charlotte: not a contender.

[TPFKA#1SaintsFan]

You shoot the ball 40 times a game you are going to have good stats. There is more to basketball than stats. Like success in the post season.

The Kobster has never had more than 45 wins after Shaq left.

Kobe's only had one season out of the three since Shaq's been gone in which he's attempted more shots per game than he did during the 2002-03 season (when Shaq was still on board). He really hasn't been shooting much more since Shaq's been gone. He actually set a career high in assists per game in his first season without Shaq. Translation: your argument stinks.

Kobe has been a better player since Shaq's been gone, but that has more to do with Kobe hitting his prime than it does with Shaq's presence (or lack thereof). The fact that Kobe's team won 45 games reflects on just how good he is because the talent around him has been subpar. I love when people try to use the Win/Loss column against Kobe!

[SeanTaylorRIP]

You can't say Raymond Felton, Kobe, Okafor, is not a contender in the east.

[TPFKA#1SaintsFan]

How bout Charlotte? MJ is there and I'm sure would want Kobe.

Give #8 Pick overall, 2008 First rounder, Gerald Wallace via sign and trade, Adam Morrison, and Sean May. For the Cats you still keep franchise guys in Okafor and Felton.

Beat you to it homeboy.

[NYmoney]

You can't say Raymond Felton, Kobe, Okafor, is not a contender in the east.

i agree. but it's not a contender for the championship, and that's all kobe cares about right now.

[NYmoney]

Beat you to it homeboy.

homeboy. i like it.

[princefielder28]

You can't say Raymond Felton, Kobe, Okafor, is not a contender in the east.

Thats a big time contender; Look at Cleveland, Kobe is better than LeBron, Felton is better than Hughes and whatever PG Cleveland decides to trot out there, and Okafor is certainly better that Z and Gooden

[Ewing]

You can't say Raymond Felton, Kobe, Okafor, is not a contender in the east.

Plus the Bobcats have around ten million dollars in salary cap space so they could sign role players in the offseason.

[TPFKA#1SaintsFan]

Thats a big time contender; Look at Cleveland, Kobe is better than LeBron, Felton is better than Hughes and whatever PG Cleveland decides to trot out there, and Okafor is certainly better that Z and Gooden

Problem is, Charlotte would have to give up either Felton or Okafor in order to get Kobe.

[NYmoney]

Thats a big time contender; Look at Cleveland, Kobe is better than LeBron, Felton is better than Hughes and whatever PG Cleveland decides to trot out there, and Okafor is certainly better that Z and Gooden

so congrats on second place. you win the east and lose in the championship: didn't kobe just do that 4 years ago?

[eacantdraft]

Kobe's only had one season out of the three since Shaq's been gone in which he's attempted more shots per game than he did during the 2002-03 season (when Shaq was still on board). He really hasn't been shooting much more since Shaq's been gone. He actually set a career high in assists per game in his first season without Shaq. Translation: your argument stinks.

Kobe has been a better player since Shaq's been gone, but that has more to do with Kobe hitting his prime than it does with Shaq's presence (or lack thereof). The fact that Kobe's team won 45 games reflects on just how good he is because the talent around him has been subpar. I love when people try to use the Win/Loss column against Kobe!

The Detroit Pistons have less talent than the Lakers and they are doing well. And the San Antonio Spurs only have one superstar and they are doing well. What is the Kobsters excuse.

[bored of education]

Chicago signs Rashard Lewis.
Trades
Wallace
Gordon
Deng
no. 9 pick to the Lakers for Kobe Bryant.
Paxson went on record to say "'We hopefully address that in the draft or through free agency. We are, financially, in a very good situation to add players. So we'll have options.''

[NYmoney]

Chicago signs Rashard Lewis.
Trades
Wallace
Gordon
Deng
no. 9 pick to the Lakers for Kobe Bryant.
Paxson went on record to say "'We hopefully address that in the draft or through free agency. We are, financially, in a very good situation to add players. So we'll have options.''

chicago can't sign rashard lewis. it's not feasible with their salary cap number.

[sweetness34]

Some of these trades are absolutely ridiculous on here, it's pretty funny actually. The big rumor in Chicago is Kobe to the Bulls, for what we don't know but it's all over the air waves up here. Pax hasn't said anything yet so we're just hearing rumors. I don't know how I'd feel about Kobe in Chicago. He's a fantastic player and he's the superstar we need but on the other hand I'm not a big fan of him as a person and I think it might cost way too much on our side to get a deal done. I like the idea of adding on to our core of young guys, not subracting off in a trade. Anywho this is what I'd offer if I'm Chicago and I really want Kobe:

Ben Wallace (salary wise it'll help make up the difference)
Ben Gordon
Thabo Sefolosha
Andres Nocioni
Boat load of draft picks

for

Kobe Bryant
Andrew Bynum
Brian Cook (local flavor in Cook, throw in player) or Luke Walton (unlikely though)

In trading Noce they wouldn't get the #9 pick this season because he cant be signed until after the draft, either that or we take the player they want hold him until July 15th and then ship him to LA. That could work. If so, scratch out the boat load of picks and substitute this years #9, and probably a 2nd rounder. Gordon will help make up for Kobe's scoring loss, Wallace gives them a solid inside presense for a couple more years, Nocioni when healthy is a pretty darn good all around player and gives them scoring, and Thabo has a ton of upside, I think he'll be stud in a couple of seasons.

In return we get the best scorer in the league and arguably the best player right now and a stud C prospect who just needs some more time before he becomes a dominant big man. Our lineup looks like this;

PG - Kirk Hinrich
SG - Kobe Bryant
SF - Luol Deng
PF - Tyrus Thomas
C - Andrew Bynum

While our frontcourt is extremely young, the trio of Kirk, Kobe, and Luol is absolutely insane, and we'd be ubber athletic on the court. I feel that Bynum will break out next year and have a very nice season. Add in a role player like Walton or Cook and that helps our bench out a bit.

Idk, I'm on the fence with this thing and I don't even know if what I offered would work out. The salary part is so hard to do with Kobe. We'll see what happens but I wouldn't be at all surprised to see him in Chicago, and if he goes anywhere I'd bet it's the Windy City. He almost signed there a couple years back. Philly doesn't have the resources to do a trade and the Knicks would have to throw together a bunch of players with high salaries to make it work because there really isn't one guy on that team apart from maybe Frye, Curry, or Lee that is worth trading for and even so their value doesn't even come close to what it'd take.

Edit: My worry is that they'd want Luol, and I don't think I'd be ready to trade this kid.

[TPFKA#1SaintsFan]

The Detroit Pistons have less talent than the Lakers and they are doing well.

Oh... my... god. You can't be ******* serious.

And the San Antonio Spurs only have one superstar and they are doing well. What is the Kobsters excuse.

The Spurs have All-Star caliber players in Tony Parker and Manu Ginobili to go alongside their superstar. They also have the best perimeter defender in the league, and a bunch of excellent role players.

You're really f'n clueless, aren't you? You poor thing...

[Scotty D]

The Detroit Pistons have less talent than the Lakers and they are doing well. And the San Antonio Spurs only have one superstar and they are doing well. What is the Kobsters excuse.

Are you serious? Can you elaborate?

[Paul]

The Detroit Pistons have less talent than the Lakers and they are doing well. And the San Antonio Spurs only have one superstar and they are doing well. What is the Kobsters excuse.

ROFL....HAHAHAHA. My goodness.

[Scar]

I seriously doubt that Bynum goes anywhere in any Kobe trade. That'd take Buss pulling the plug on his superstar and his pet project star of tomorrow. Way too much egg on his face in one trade.

[D-Unit]

Some of these trades are absolutely ridiculous on here, it's pretty funny actually. The big rumor in Chicago is Kobe to the Bulls, for what we don't know but it's all over the air waves up here. Pax hasn't said anything yet so we're just hearing rumors. I don't know how I'd feel about Kobe in Chicago. He's a fantastic player and he's the superstar we need but on the other hand I'm not a big fan of him as a person and I think it might cost way too much on our side to get a deal done. I like the idea of adding on to our core of young guys, not subracting off in a trade. Anywho this is what I'd offer if I'm Chicago and I really want Kobe:

Ben Wallace (salary wise it'll help make up the difference)
Ben Gordon
Thabo Sefolosha
Andres Nocioni
Boat load of draft picks

for

Kobe Bryant
Andrew Bynum
Brian Cook (local flavor in Cook, throw in player) or Luke Walton (unlikely though)

In trading Noce they wouldn't get the #9 pick this season because he cant be signed until after the draft, either that or we take the player they want hold him until July 15th and then ship him to LA. That could work. If so, scratch out the boat load of picks and substitute this years #9, and probably a 2nd rounder. Gordon will help make up for Kobe's scoring loss, Wallace gives them a solid inside presense for a couple more years, Nocioni when healthy is a pretty darn good all around player and gives them scoring, and Thabo has a ton of upside, I think he'll be stud in a couple of seasons.

In return we get the best scorer in the league and arguably the best player right now and a stud C prospect who just needs some more time before he becomes a dominant big man. Our lineup looks like this;

PG - Kirk Hinrich
SG - Kobe Bryant
SF - Luol Deng
PF - Tyrus Thomas
C - Andrew Bynum

While our frontcourt is extremely young, the trio of Kirk, Kobe, and Luol is absolutely insane, and we'd be ubber athletic on the court. I feel that Bynum will break out next year and have a very nice season. Add in a role player like Walton or Cook and that helps our bench out a bit.

Idk, I'm on the fence with this thing and I don't even know if what I offered would work out. The salary part is so hard to do with Kobe. We'll see what happens but I wouldn't be at all surprised to see him in Chicago, and if he goes anywhere I'd bet it's the Windy City. He almost signed there a couple years back. Philly doesn't have the resources to do a trade and the Knicks would have to throw together a bunch of players with high salaries to make it work because there really isn't one guy on that team apart from maybe Frye, Curry, or Lee that is worth trading for and even so their value doesn't even come close to what it'd take.

Edit: My worry is that they'd want Luol, and I don't think I'd be ready to trade this kid.
Uh... lemme guess... This is coming from Sam Smith's column? LOL! Nothing that guy ever thinks up makes sense.

[eacantdraft]

Are you serious? Can you elaborate?

How many All Stars and future Hall of Famers does Detroit have? Tony Parker is not considered a top point guard in the league and Manu Ginobili is never averaged 20 points in a season. Each of these teams play team basketball. A concept foreign to Kobe and many American players which explains why the US gets its ass kicked at almost every international basketball competition despite having a much more talented roster.

The Lakers roster features a former number overall draft pick, and underrated player in Lamar Odem, yet they can't win barely more than half of their games and are ousted in the first round every year.

[SeanTaylorRIP]

How many All Stars and future Hall of Famers does Detroit have? Tony Parker is not considered a top point guard in the league and Manu Ginobili is never averaged 20 points in a season. Each of these teams play team basketball. A concept foreign to Kobe and many American players which explains why the US gets its ass kicked at almost every international basketball competition despite having a much more talented roster.

The Lakers roster features a former number overall draft pick, and underrated player in Lamar Odem, yet they can't win barely more than half of their games and are ousted in the first round every year.

You mean a Lamar Odom who is always hurt, and by mentioning Kwame with the likes of Parker, and Ginobili makes you a joke, and a joke for saying Parker is not a top PG in the league.

[NYmoney]

How many All Stars and future Hall of Famers does Detroit have? Tony Parker is not considered a top point guard in the league and Manu Ginobili is never averaged 20 points in a season. Each of these teams play team basketball. A concept foreign to Kobe and many American players which explains why the US gets its ass kicked at almost every international basketball competition despite having a much more talented roster.

The Lakers roster features a former number overall draft pick, and underrated player in Lamar Odem, yet they can't win barely more than half of their games and are ousted in the first round every year.

they did take the suns to a game 7 last year. that's what a lot of people are forgetting: just how close they were to the second round LAST year with a younger pg and center.

[NYmoney]

You mean a Lamar Odom who is always hurt, and by mentioning Kwame with the likes of Parker, and Ginobili makes you a joke, and a joke for saying Parker is not a top PG in the league.

odom is underrated. he's an excellent rebounder and has an innate ability to score buckets (BUCKETS BRIGADE)

[Eagles own the NFC East]

I just tried this on ESPN's NBA Trade Machine. The salaries match up and it's quite possible that Bryant would like to go to the East:

New York Knicks receive:
Kobe Bryant
Kwame Brown

Los Angeles Lakers receive:
Stephon Marbury
Channing Frye
Jamal Crawford

Isiah isnt that smart.

[soybean]

Dallas Gives:


Why this will work for both teams. First off getting Jason Terry will fill a need at PG for Lakers, Smush is decent at best and Farmer is still young.

it's already been said that smush won't return to the team, good riddance.

This royally sucks. I'm a Laker fan, and I don't care who we get in return. Unless we somehow get Kevin Durant or Greg Oden out of this I won't watch any games this year.



seriously, this sucks. All these trades are horrible, who the hell in LA would want players like nocioni, gordon, pierce, jameer nelson. I want a superstar in return...

[TPFKA#1SaintsFan]

How many All Stars and future Hall of Famers does Detroit have?

Let's see... Chauncey Billups, Rip Hamilton and Rasheed Wallace have all been All-Stars in the very recent past. Chris Webber is a 5-time all star. How many All-Stars do the Lakers have besides Kobe?

[soybean]

i have the perfect solution, you guys have yet to have thought of.

fire kupchak, sell the team to a new owner.

[derza222]

Chicago definitely makes the most sense right now as they're an unstable contender who has the pieces to get a deal done. My only question is will the Lakers demand Luol Deng in return. If Pax can get a deal done without trading Deng I'm fine with it. Yes, I realize Kobe is a far better player than Deng, but if we trade Deng we're either keeping Gordon or trading both. If we can get rid of Gordon in this deal I would be very happy, he's not a true point and causes us major problems defensively against teams like the NJ Nets (Deng guarding RJ and Gordon guarding Kidd leaves us with Hinrich guarding VC. Can you say mismatch?). A starting shooting guard with actual size, as well as a go-to scorer, would do great things for this team. I'll be the first to admit that I'm not the biggest Kobe fan in the world, but if you have Kobe and Deng and we keep either Hinrich or Duhon that's a pretty nice setup at the 1-3 spots although we'd be in serious need of help down low. Honestly I don't know if it happens, but they seem like the most logical scenario right now.

[Acreboy]

How many All Stars and future Hall of Famers does Detroit have? Tony Parker is not considered a top point guard in the league and Manu Ginobili is never averaged 20 points in a season. Each of these teams play team basketball. A concept foreign to Kobe and many American players which explains why the US gets its ass kicked at almost every international basketball competition despite having a much more talented roster.

The Lakers roster features a former number overall draft pick, and underrated player in Lamar Odem, yet they can't win barely more than half of their games and are ousted in the first round every year.

parker is indeed a top PG in the league and so what if Emanu never averages 20 during a season? He shows up when matters. When the game is on the line.

[Moses]

How many All Stars and future Hall of Famers does Detroit have? Tony Parker is not considered a top point guard in the league and Manu Ginobili is never averaged 20 points in a season. Each of these teams play team basketball. A concept foreign to Kobe and many American players which explains why the US gets its ass kicked at almost every international basketball competition despite having a much more talented roster.

The Lakers roster features a former number overall draft pick, and underrated player in Lamar Odem, yet they can't win barely more than half of their games and are ousted in the first round every year.

I can't believe that you're arguing that the Lakers have a more talented roster than the Pistons. That is most absurd argument I have heard in awhile.

You seem to forget that the Lakers won 3 rings by playing 2-man basketball. Kobe and Shaq were the team. The other guys basically stood around and watched, occassionally hitting the wide open layup when both Shaq and Kobe were doubled.

[ricky bobby]

Listening to Kobe's interview on the DP show, he sounded a bit regretful in saying that he wanted to get traded. Or at least that is what I got out of it. He said he wanted to retire a Laker. He won't get traded, he just lashed out because somebody inside the Laker organization claimed he drove Shaq out. I think they'll add a FA this offseason and he'll stay put.

[Moses]

Listening to Kobe's interview on the DP show, he sounded a bit regretful in saying that he wanted to get traded. Or at least that is what I got out of it. He said he wanted to retire a Laker. He won't get traded, he just lashed out because somebody inside the Laker organization claimed he drove Shaq out. I think they'll add a FA this offseason and he'll stay put.

If they trade for Jermaine O'Neal they are instant contenders.

[sweetness34]

Uh... lemme guess... This is coming from Sam Smith's column? LOL! Nothing that guy ever thinks up makes sense.

Um no, that is the trade I thought up. Let me just say this, I highly doubt Paxon parts with either Luol, Kirk, or Tyrus if he goes after Kobe.

[Eagles own the NFC East]

lol at all of the posts of potential Kobe trades! He is the best player in the NBA, trading scrubs an draft picks wont get him especially since he still has plenty of years left. I doubt he gets traded, but I sure hope to make things exciting and different. If he does get traded it would be most likely to the Eastern Conference for his preference and for the Lakers FO. Kobe would have a much bigger chance winning a ring there. If he does get traded I agree I think it would be to the Bulls IMO but what about the Nets?? He would have his PG in Jason Kidd, and his swingman in Richard Jefferson. Doubt it though because the Lakers would get Vince in the trade and hes a poormans Kobe whose older and ***** up when it counts.

Also think about it, Kobe was a big reason why Phil Jackson came back to LA, so if Kobe gets traded, why would Phil Jackson wanna coach a young no playoff potential Laker team?? He has never been known as a coach u want for a rebuilding team.

[sweetness34]

How many All Stars and future Hall of Famers does Detroit have? Tony Parker is not considered a top point guard in the league and Manu Ginobili is never averaged 20 points in a season. Each of these teams play team basketball. A concept foreign to Kobe and many American players which explains why the US gets its ass kicked at almost every international basketball competition despite having a much more talented roster.

The Lakers roster features a former number overall draft pick, and underrated player in Lamar Odem, yet they can't win barely more than half of their games and are ousted in the first round every year.

Every single starter on that starting 5 is an all-star, or was an all star. So 4 out of the 5 are all star caliber players right now. Got anything else to add?

Lamar Odom was not a #1 pick you jackass, he ws #3 behind Brand and Francis.

[NYmoney]

Um no, that is the trade I thought up. Let me just say this, I highly doubt Paxon parts with either Luol, Kirk, or Tyrus if he goes after Kobe.

ahhahahahahhaha. lol. wow. you are crazy. So i guess it's BG, Adrian Griffin, Thabo, #9 for kobe. that'll never fly. one of those three you just named has to go in order for kobe to come. if for no other reason than salaries alone.

[sweetness34]

lol at all of the posts of potential Kobe trades! He is the best player in the NBA, trading scrubs an draft picks wont get him especially since he still has plenty of years left. I doubt he gets traded, but I sure hope to make things exciting and different. If he does get traded it would be most likely to the Eastern Conference for his preference and for the Lakers FO. Kobe would have a much bigger chance winning a ring there. If he does get traded I agree I think it would be to the Bulls IMO but what about the Nets?? He would have his PG in Jason Kidd, and his swingman in Richard Jefferson. Doubt it though because the Lakers would get Vince in the trade and hes a poormans Kobe whose older and ***** up when it counts.

Also think about it, Kobe was a big reason why Phil Jackson came back to LA, so if Kobe gets traded, why would Phil Jackson wanna coach a young no playoff potential Laker team?? He has never been known as a coach u want for a rebuilding team.

Did you see what Miami had to give up to get Shaq? Odom, Butler, and Grant for the most dominant big man in the game. If Kobe truly wants out, I doubt the Lakers get what they really want for Kobe.

[SeanTaylorRIP]

lol at all of the posts of potential Kobe trades! He is the best player in the NBA, trading scrubs an draft picks wont get him especially since he still has plenty of years left. I doubt he gets traded, but I sure hope to make things exciting and different. If he does get traded it would be most likely to the Eastern Conference for his preference and for the Lakers FO. Kobe would have a much bigger chance winning a ring there. If he does get traded I agree I think it would be to the Bulls IMO but what about the Nets?? He would have his PG in Jason Kidd, and his swingman in Richard Jefferson. Doubt it though because the Lakers would get Vince in the trade and hes a poormans Kobe whose older and ***** up when it counts.

Also think about it, Kobe was a big reason why Phil Jackson came back to LA, so if Kobe gets traded, why would Phil Jackson wanna coach a young no playoff potential Laker team?? He has never been known as a coach u want for a rebuilding team.

Trading #3 and Joe Johnson for him is not scrubs. That's a franchise player at #3 and Joe Johnson is young and an allstar elite SG.

[sweetness34]

ahhahahahahhaha. lol. wow. you are crazy. So i guess it's BG, Adrian Griffin, Thabo, #9 for kobe. that'll never fly. one of those three you just named has to go in order for kobe to come. if for no other reason than salaries alone.

What the **** are you talking about? It's BG, Wallace, Thabo, Nocioni, and the #9 for Kobe. The only way this trade works is if Big Ben is in the deal and neither Luol or Tyrus is getting traded IMO so I worked around that.

Read my post dude, I never put Griffin that trade.

[sweetness34]

I doubt the trade I proposed works out but like I said, from the comments made by Paxon and the feeling I get about the players on his team; Kirk, Luol, and Tyrus aren't going anywhere. If I hear otherwise I'll rework the deal but in terms of value they're getting a 20ppg scorer, a solid big man, a good two way player, a young guard with a ton of potential, and the #9 pick in the draft. Sure it's swayed more on our side but the Heat ripped off the Lakers in the Shaq deal IMO.

[Eagles own the NFC East]

Trading #3 and Joe Johnson for him is not scrubs. That's a franchise player at #3 and Joe Johnson is young and an allstar elite SG.

Never said yours was, should have made it clear that some of the trade ideas were very unrealistic and some others seem like a fair deal.

[soybean]

lol at all of the posts of potential Kobe trades! He is the best player in the NBA, trading scrubs an draft picks wont get him especially since he still has plenty of years left. I doubt he gets traded, but I sure hope to make things exciting and different. If he does get traded it would be most likely to the Eastern Conference for his preference and for the Lakers FO. Kobe would have a much bigger chance winning a ring there. If he does get traded I agree I think it would be to the Bulls IMO but what about the Nets?? He would have his PG in Jason Kidd, and his swingman in Richard Jefferson. Doubt it though because the Lakers would get Vince in the trade and hes a poormans Kobe whose older and ***** up when it counts.

Also think about it, Kobe was a big reason why Phil Jackson came back to LA, so if Kobe gets traded, why would Phil Jackson wanna coach a young no playoff potential Laker team?? He has never been known as a coach u want for a rebuilding team.

well he did publicly criticize the owner and organization...

[sweetness34]

I think it's 50/50 that he gets traded right now. With his salary, it's going to be very hard to match everything up.

[High Roller]

It would be better for LA to trade/sign another good player and keep Kobe instead of trading Kobe away.

[sweetness34]

It would be better for LA to trade/sign another good player and keep Kobe instead of trading Kobe away.

He already stated that wouldn't matter.

[SeanTaylorRIP]

Only way Kobe would be happy IMO is if they acquire JO or KG.

[Moses]

Only way Kobe would be happy IMO is if they acquire JO or KG.

KG/JO + Kobe would be the best duo in the NBA by far.

[TPFKA#1SaintsFan]

Trading #3 and Joe Johnson for him is not scrubs. That's a franchise player at #3 and Joe Johnson is young and an allstar elite SG.

Eh... it's not hard for a good player to look great playing for the Hawks. Joe Johnson is very good, but I'm not really sure he's an All-Star caliber player. The Lakers wouldn't be able to get Oden or Durant with the #3 pick, and after those two I'm not sure there is a franchise player in this draft... maybe Yi... I just think Atlanta would have to chip in a little more to get Kobe, but Joe Johnson and the #3 is definitely a good starting point.

Kobe and Kwame for Johnson, Childress, Zaza and Lue would work. A swap of first round picks (#3 for #19) would sweeten up the deal. LA would get good value and Atlanta would be able to keep their young building blocks in Josh Smith and Marvin Williams.

[High Roller]

He already stated that wouldn't matter.

I guess it's the whole organization that pisses him off rather than just the terrible team. Maybe a trade to the Hawks for Josh Smith/3rd overall and some other crap. Pure speculation.

[Eaglez.Fan]

Steve Nash, Amare and Kobe would be unfair.

[sweetness34]

KG/JO + Kobe would be the best duo in the NBA by far.

Jermaine O'Neal needs to stay healthy for an entire year before I call that the best duo in the league. That and he's on the downside of his career. He can still put up some good numbers but he's not the player he was in his prime.

KG + Kobe, yea I'll agree with that. But that would mean them probably having to get rid of Bynum, Odom, Farmar, etc...I'd say it'd take those 3 to get KG and you're back to square one again. No supporting cast outside or Walton and Cook.

[High Roller]

Steve Nash, Amare and Kobe would be unfair.

Wouldn't they have to give up Amare for him though?

[SeanTaylorRIP]

I would love to see the Hawks be idiots like they always are and give #3 Joe Johnson, and Josh Smith for Kobe, then I could be a Lakers fan and wear my cool looking Lakers sweater my mom bought for me when I was 17 but was always ashamed to wear cause I didn't like the Lakers.

[TPFKA#1SaintsFan]

I would love to see the Hawks be idiots like they always are and give #3 Joe Johnson, and Josh Smith for Kobe, then I could be a Lakers fan and wear my cool looking Lakers sweater my mom bought for me when I was 17 but was always ashamed to wear cause I didn't like the Lakers.

I didn't say anything about Josh Smith being traded...

[comahan]

I would love to see the Hawks be idiots like they always are and give #3 Joe Johnson, and Josh Smith for Kobe, then I could be a Lakers fan and wear my cool looking Lakers sweater my mom bought for me when I was 17 but was always ashamed to wear cause I didn't like the Lakers.

Johnson, Smith, Odom... on the same team...! (3 of my favorite players..)

DO IT. MAKE IT HAPPEN.

[SeanTaylorRIP]

Wouldn't they have to give up Amare for him though?

Not Really.

Their 2 first rounders this year, 24+29, Hawks First rounder next year which has no protection along with Shawn Marion, Boris Diaw. Suns still have Nash, Amare, Kobe, Raja, and Barbosa.

[Phrost]

Staudy, Marion, and two of those first rounders they have.

[Moses]

Jermaine O'Neal needs to stay healthy for an entire year before I call that the best duo in the league. That and he's on the downside of his career. He can still put up some good numbers but he's not the player he was in his prime.

KG + Kobe, yea I'll agree with that. But that would mean them probably having to get rid of Bynum, Odom, Farmar, etc...I'd say it'd take those 3 to get KG and you're back to square one again. No supporting cast outside or Walton and Cook.

I can understand the issue with his health. He's had a history of injury problems but he seems to always battle through them and he's there when it's important.

I can't see how O'Neal is on the downside of his career. He's 29 years old. He hasn't regressed much physically. In fact, he's a lot stronger and more powerful than he was early in his career but he still has that great athleticism and ability to run the floor. Defensively, he's one of the top post defenders in the league. Offensively, he's a go-to scorer down low and demands a constant double team when he gets the ball in the post. He'll put up 20/10 night in and night out and his defence is spectacular. Other than Duncan and Garnett, no other PFs are really in his league.

What 1-2 punch is better than Kobe/O'Neal?

[Phrost]

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/trademachine

For those posting trades, try them here first.

[M.O.T.H.]

Staudy, Marion, and two of those first rounders they have.

You wouldnt need to give up that much... Marion/Barbosa and some picks would probably get the job done...maybe throw in James Jones...

Amare isnt going anywhere.

[Phrost]

You wouldnt need to give up that much... Marion/Barbosa and some picks would probably get the job done...maybe throw in James Jones...

Amare isnt going anywhere.

They are trying to ditch a few big contracts so it isn't out of the question. Eh, I just tried it on the trade machine and it failed.

[M.O.T.H.]

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=2166~2009~510~110~1998&teams=13~13~13~21~21

Maybe something like this...including a Suns 1st rounder or two.

[Phrost]

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=2166~2009~510~110~1998&teams=13~13~13~21~21

Maybe something like this...including a Suns 1st rounder or two.

Nice! I would jump all over that.

[TPFKA#1SaintsFan]

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/trademachine

For those posting trades, try them here first.

Here are a few that I like:

Atlanta (would include a swap of first round picks - #3 and #19)
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=981~110~2373~1007~489~2016&teams=1~1~13~13~13~13

Charlotte
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=110~440~3016~2399&teams=30~13~13~13 OR http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=110~2753~307~3016&teams=30~13~13~13
Charlotte would have to give up either Felton or Okafor.

Memphis (would include a swap of picks - #4 and #19)
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=996~3005~558~981~110&teams=13~13~13~29~29

Dallas
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=110~1016~181~2006~2450~841&teams=6~6~13~13~13~13
You know Cuban's going to have some sort of interest.


Couldn't do anything with Chicago without using Ben Wallace, who I don't think Chicago is going to be able to move.

[Phrost]

Here are a few that I like:

Atlanta (would include a swap of first round picks - #3 and #19)
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=981~110~2373~1007~489~2016&teams=1~1~13~13~13~13

Charlotte
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=110~440~3016~2399&teams=30~13~13~13 OR http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=110~2753~307~3016&teams=30~13~13~13
Charlotte would have to give up either Felton or Okafor.

Memphis (would include a swap of picks - #4 and #19)
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=996~3005~558~981~110&teams=13~13~13~29~29

Dallas
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=110~1016~181~2006~2450~841&teams=6~6~13~13~13~13
You know Cuban's going to have some sort of interest.


Couldn't do anything with Chicago without using Ben Wallace, who I don't think Chicago is going to be able to move.

No to Atlanta trade.
Both Charlette ones are good.
Memphis is perfect IMO.
Cuban is crazy...but that crazy?

[SeanTaylorRIP]

Suns don't need Kobe they need another interior guy, if anything Kobe would hurt them cause Nash would be limited with Kobe getting the ball every time down. Nash creates for everyone they are fine with scoring obviously and Raja Bell is atleast an equal defender to Kobe, it aint broke so why fix it, if they can just add a stud interior player they are the NBA Champs.

[TPFKA#1SaintsFan]

Cuban is crazy...but that crazy?

I say yes. Dude wants to win a championship, and the Mavs (on paper) should have won at least one by now. The possibility of pairing Kobe with Dirk just might make him wet his pants.