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  • The Lions draft....

    Is it just me, but does anyone else think they done absolutely terrible considering they had 6 first day picks?

    They didn't properly address their biggest needs for me in MLB and CB, despite being an absolute beast CJ doesn't help them at all, come on if anything at all, all it done for them was give them more options in the slot. They struggled and still managed 4000 passing yards yet go for a reciever? Hmmm pretty weird.

    In the second round they make a friggin dumb move trading with Buffalo when guys like Chris Houston and David Harris were there and would have helped them a ton. They then draft a QB that they could have gotten later on and decide that they want to change his throwing mechanics. If Stanton was a 5th round pick this might have made sense, I mean why would you use a second rounder on this guy and then treat him as a developmental prospect?

    The only really agreeable pick for me was Alama-Francis the DE out of Hawaii, despite still not having addressed their top two needs by then, DE was still a need and they made a reasonable pick their, however I think they could have done better with guys like Marcus McCauley still out there then.

    Then the most laughable pick for me. Gerald Alexander. No way was this guy worth a second and if they wanted a safety I could think of several guys out there with better value than him. Aaron Rouse, John Wendling, Sabby Piscitelli, Michael Johnson to name a few. Even MLB and someone like Buster Davis would have made a hell of a lot more sense.


    To me this draft is enough evidence to suggest why they will continue to struggle. They went in needing a franchise QB, MLB and CB. QB wise they came out with a 'developmental guy' (in their eyes) in the second round, COME ON!

    They went in needing a MLB. The second rated guy at the position was on the board TWICE when they were on the clock and they passed for a developmental QB who if they really wanted still could have gotten later if they wanted him that much.

    They needed a decent corner to help replace the injury prone crap they currently have. They got AJ friggin Davis and passed up on the chance of drafting one of three potential studs (Houston, Wright, McCauley).

    Basically what I'm saying is only the Lions could have four picks over the first two rounds and still become a worst team.

  • #2
    I would've felt like arguing this like.. 3 Months ago...

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    • #3
      my whole thing was, at some point when are you gonna stop drafting WR's even if they are the bpa, at some point you gotta look at what you need...would they take another one next year if some guy was too good to pass up as well? i doubt calvin makes them go from 2 wins to playoff team, but thats just me...
      Last edited by LonghornsLegend; 07-15-2007, 12:33 AM.





      Originally posted by Scott Wright
      I guarantee that if someone picks Cam Newton in the Top 5 they will regret it.

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      • #4
        John Wendling went in the 6th and Michael Johnson in the 7th, I doubt they were considered better value than Alexander by too many NFL teams.

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        • #5
          They should have traded with Tampa and taken Gaines...

          If they had just taken Gaines or Thomas, no matter which they took, the Browns would have taken Calvin Johnson (I have some inside info.)

          That leaves the question, would the Browns have came away with Johnson and Quinn in the same draft or just Johnson?

          That one move could have drastically changed the draft.

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          • #6
            There is no way the Browns would have taken Calvin Johnson, which would have been one of the biggest shocks of any draft in years...rivaling the later Ted Ginn at 9...is Johnson great value? Yes, no one denies this.

            But to pass up on Quinn, Peterson, and Thomas at 3 for another WR???? No way they were gonna take CJ. Not in a million bazillion years.

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            • #7
              Calvin Johnson isn't Just "Another WR".. The Lions traded up for these guys, so obviously there's something about them that they liked. They're all "Rod Marinelli" kind of players, hard workers, team players.. They fit our defense..

              I really didn't like the Drew Stanton pick though.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Lions WMD View Post
                Calvin Johnson isn't Just "Another WR".. The Lions traded up for these guys, so obviously there's something about them that they liked. They're all "Rod Marinelli" kind of players, hard workers, team players.. They fit our defense..

                I really didn't like the Drew Stanton pick though.
                Certainly some of the picks were more system fits than anything. A guy can be the best athlete and hitter in the world but if he doesn't fit your scheme he's doing you no good.


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                • #9
                  Lions draft

                  I'll say that CJ is a beast.
                  I'll say you make valid points.
                  I'll say you are right and you are wrong.
                  I was with you on Thomas. I jumped ship on Gaines Adams.
                  I actually participated in a National Mock draft and Calvin was the #1 pick.
                  I chose Thomas because no one would trade up. The best offer I got to trade was to get the #004 and #035 from Tampa for the #002 and the #066.
                  002) I select Joe Thomas LT; actual pick was the best player in the draft.
                  020) I trade up to take Aaron Ross CB; actual pick Lions trade down and select Stanton QB. Worst pick in the draft hands down.
                  Lions then acquire two more players in the second in a series of moves they grab Ikaika Alama-Francis who i liked but then they get Alexander who they could have grabbed later.
                  In the third at 066 I got Durant MLB to address the MLB spot. The Lions got Baldwin MLB in the fifth.
                  To round out my draft I got
                  Trent Edwards QB
                  David Clowney WR
                  Brandon Conndren S
                  Melvinn Bullitt S
                  I failed to grab a DE.
                  The Lions finished the draft with some talented guys. They grabbed AJ Davis & Manuel Ramirez

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by LonghornsLegend View Post
                    my whole thing was, at some point when are you gonna stop drafting WR's even if they are the bps, at some point you gotta look at what you need is...would they take another one next year if some guy was too good to pass up as well? i doubt calvin makes them go from 2 wins to playoff team, but thats just me...
                    its not our decision

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                    • #11
                      It's absolutely true that they catered to Mike Martz and took the offensive players he wanted. After that, they counted on their coaching staff to identify D guys who were undervalued.

                      After research on the four defensive players they took after Stanton, you can see that Marinelli et al had a clear plan on the guys they targeted, in their opinion they all have great character and fit the scheme.

                      This was admittedly a big risk and if none of the D players (Alama-Francis, Alexander, A.J. Davis, Johnny Baldwin) become anything then it turns into a major flop of a draft. Although, if CJ and Stanton and just one of those D players were to become quality starters, then I guess it might not look so bad.

                      my whole thing was, at some point when are you gonna stop drafting WR's
                      Agreed. I would say that point is when you are 100% convinced that your WR corps is totally set. Last year the Lions didn't have that. They had one true threat and one excellent posession WR. Roy was double-teamed at all times and the Lions were unable to run a lot of what Martz wanted to do. So, to me the mistake was not drafting CJ, but drafting Mike Williams and Charles Rogers.
                      Last edited by LionSmack; 07-14-2007, 11:33 PM.

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                      • #12
                        Personally, my belief is that the Lions will try to outscore all their opponents and then play enough defense to get by.


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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by simms2clayton View Post
                          There is no way the Browns would have taken Calvin Johnson, which would have been one of the biggest shocks of any draft in years...rivaling the later Ted Ginn at 9...is Johnson great value? Yes, no one denies this.

                          But to pass up on Quinn, Peterson, and Thomas at 3 for another WR???? No way they were gonna take CJ. Not in a million bazillion years.
                          ... Like I said I have some inside info you can debate it all you want with me, Savage even hinted at it when asked if he was locked on Thomas before the draft and he said something along the lines of "There was a certain situation where we would take Joe Thomas and it happened" AKA Russel and Johnson going 1 and 2.

                          From someone inside with the Browns I was told if CJ or Russell was there, there was no doubt that we were drafting them.

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                          • #14
                            CJ was the right move. Joe Thomas would've helped them but OT was no bigger need than WR, and CJ was definitely higher on every team's board than JT. Russell would've been a better pick if both were available, but being that he wasn't CJ was too good to pass up. They would regret taking Gaines since CJ is the best WR to come in the draft since Moss, even though Gaines is a need filler. 1st round was fine, their 2nd round and beyond I thought was very mediocre.

                            If you stick to BPA then you are a lot better off. Most teams, if not all probably had their board's top 3 like this:
                            1-CJ or JR
                            2-JR or CJ
                            3-Thomas

                            Cleveland had it JR then CJ then Thomas then AD I know, and Oakland I think did too. (Brady Quinn was not that high on boards I don't think, but teams were probably willing to reach for him since he was a franchise QB prospect which weighs heavier than a good RB or DE, etc. in other words, i think Oakland would've taken Quinn over Thomas or Peterson b/c of need)
                            Last edited by keylime_5; 07-14-2007, 11:39 PM.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by princefielder28 View Post
                              Personally, my belief is that the Lions will try to outscore all their opponents and then play enough defense to get by.
                              If their offensive line holds up they are going to have an insane offense.

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