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  • bored of education
    started a topic Future 3-4 NT Prospects

    Future 3-4 NT Prospects

    Help me out I'm trying to figure out who is a solid prospect for NT's in the 3-4. From who I have seen I'd say Antonio Dixon from the U. The little I saw of this kid, he is a truck.

    Anyone else I should keep an out out for?

  • Tampa 2 4 life
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    Originally posted by genom View Post
    I don't think Clebert is bad, but he looked to get very tired from the times i've seen him. Also, he may have the body type for a 3-4 NT but I don't think he plays like it. He doesn't get enough leverage, and when i've seen him he looks to explode into the back field rather than hold up blocks, even when its a running play. Perhaps this can be coached at the next level if he were to be drafted by a 3-4 team.
    Once he gets into an NFL weight room where he can work on his legs he'll be fine. Stamina will be a problem though.

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  • BroadwayJoe10
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    Originally posted by Mr. Stiller View Post
    I doubt After a year of not playing that Raji is a day 1 lock. If anything I could see round 4-5 at best.

    Was he allowed working out with the team or was he banned from all team activities.
    That's true, but I wouldn't put it past a 3-4 team in desperate need of a NT to take him earlier than expected. I still am eager to see if he comes out or not. And i was wondering if there was any presedence for this; has any other player taken a redshirt for their senior year and then enter the nfl draft?

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  • Mr. Stiller
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    Originally posted by BroadwayJoe10 View Post
    Has anybody heard BJ raji actually say that he won't be entering this years draft? I know they gave him an academic redshirt, but with Matt Ryan, Gosder Cherilus, DeJuan Tribble and the other seniors leaving BC won't be the contender they are this year. If Raji handed in his papers in order to see where he would be drafted I think he would realize he is a definate day 1 pick, especially with a 3-4 team reaching early for him. I just am not 100% convinced that he will be staying for his 5th year. I mean he isn't getting any younger, teams know what hes capable of and the threat of injury is always possible especially for a 5th year senior.
    I doubt After a year of not playing that Raji is a day 1 lock. If anything I could see round 4-5 at best.

    Was he allowed working out with the team or was he banned from all team activities.

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  • BroadwayJoe10
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    Has anybody heard BJ raji actually say that he won't be entering this years draft? I know they gave him an academic redshirt, but with Matt Ryan, Gosder Cherilus, DeJuan Tribble and the other seniors leaving BC won't be the contender they are this year. If Raji handed in his papers in order to see where he would be drafted I think he would realize he is a definate day 1 pick, especially with a 3-4 team reaching early for him. I just am not 100% convinced that he will be staying for his 5th year. I mean he isn't getting any younger, teams know what hes capable of and the threat of injury is always possible especially for a 5th year senior.

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    Originally posted by SenorGato View Post
    Someone pointed him out on another forum and I decided to pay close attention to Clebert.

    He was pushed around like a ragdoll against WVU and Rutgers. He even tripped over himself once.

    Maybe I just caught him in an off week, but he didn't impress me much at all.
    I don't think Clebert is bad, but he looked to get very tired from the times i've seen him. Also, he may have the body type for a 3-4 NT but I don't think he plays like it. He doesn't get enough leverage, and when i've seen him he looks to explode into the back field rather than hold up blocks, even when its a running play. Perhaps this can be coached at the next level if he were to be drafted by a 3-4 team.

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  • SenorGato
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    Originally posted by Big_Pete View Post
    what about NT Richard Clebert, South Florida?

    he is listed at 6-0, 312 and probably has around a 5.25 40 time


    He reportedly can bench-press 540 lbs and also bench-press 225 pounds for 43 reps

    He has been very producive this season: in his 12 games this season he has 32 tackles (17 solo, 15 assist), 8.0 TFL (25 yards), 2.0 sacks (13 yards), 15 QBH, 1 FF, 1 Safety



    Noone is talking about him at all, but he could be a very good day 2 pick for a
    3-4 team.

    Is Clebert a major factor in Ben Moffit having such a good season??
    Someone pointed him out on another forum and I decided to pay close attention to Clebert.

    He was pushed around like a ragdoll against WVU and Rutgers. He even tripped over himself once.

    Maybe I just caught him in an off week, but he didn't impress me much at all.

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  • Big_Pete
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    Originally posted by nobodyinparticular View Post
    NE NT Vince Wilfork is listed at 6-2 625 lbs.
    I think you may have his weight a little wrong.....


    In any event all college linemen usually need to get bigger and stonger in the NFL. (or they need to lose weight/get into shape and get stronger)

    People get overly focussed on size for NTs; while that certainly does help. Stength, speed, leverage and technique can be just as (if not more) important.

    Don't underestimate the importance of a lower centre of gravity either, it makes players much harder to block.

    Many NFL centres (and Guards) are 295 - 305 lbs?

    I wouldn't be surprised if Laws could add 20lbs or so of muscle before the combine without losing any speed or athleticism.
    Last edited by Big_Pete; 11-29-2007, 02:27 AM.

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  • Big_Pete
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    what about NT Richard Clebert, South Florida?

    he is listed at 6-0, 312 and probably has around a 5.25 40 time


    He reportedly can bench-press 540 lbs and also bench-press 225 pounds for 43 reps

    He has been very producive this season: in his 12 games this season he has 32 tackles (17 solo, 15 assist), 8.0 TFL (25 yards), 2.0 sacks (13 yards), 15 QBH, 1 FF, 1 Safety



    Noone is talking about him at all, but he could be a very good day 2 pick for a
    3-4 team.

    Is Clebert a major factor in Ben Moffit having such a good season??

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  • BucSappy
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    I think Frank Morton is a quality NT mid round prospect.

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  • mikedoobie
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    Kelly gregg is 6'0 310lbs and is and has been an extremely good NT for the ravens for a good 6 years..Ellis is a player i could think may be able to be a good NT in a certain 3-4 scheme

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  • draftguru151
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    I think it would be an awful decision to put him at nose.

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  • BroadwayJoe10
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    I havn't seen enough of Red Bryant to really see what type of leverage he plays with and his hand work, but isn't 6'5 a little too tall? Normally I would think so, but I havn't seen him play enough to say so. What are the things that people like about him?

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  • D-Unit
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    Laws would be a good 4-3 DT as well. He's guy I've kept my eye on as a possible 4th rounder. Is that too low? My guess is probably. He is a major tackling machine.

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  • nobodyinparticular
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    Originally posted by Big_Pete View Post
    What about Trevor Laws as a possible NT?

    I know he is playing DE for Notre Dame right now, but he is a three time all american heavyweight wrestler. So he should have ample strength, have very good leverage and use his hands well.

    Scott has him listed at 6-1, 295, 5.00

    He has enough size for his height, and could probably add a little size without hurting his speed and athleticism.


    [for the record Dallas has Jay Ratliff (6'4",305) and Tank Johnson (6'3", 300) at NT]
    As a wrestler, like you said, he likely has very good leverage and use of hands. However, at 295 lbs, that is not even close to the amount of bulk you want to have from a 3-4 NT. You want at least 320 lbs in a NT if not 330 lbs. Looking at the best 3-4 NTs in the game, Pitt NT Casey Hampton is 6-1 325 lbs, SD NT Jamal Williams is 6-3 348 lbs and NE NT Vince Wilfork is listed at 6-2 625 lbs. Looking at Hampton, he's like closer to 335lbs than 325 too. It's not just a matter of leverage, but a need to just to have mass out there to go along with the leverage and technique. At 295 lbs, he's right around 3-4 DE size.

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