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  • For the 4-3, Calais Campbell or Vernon Gholston?

    Obviously for the 3-4 you pick Gholston. But who would you guys rather have for a 4-3 defense? I'd pick Gholston even though I'm a U fan. 3-4, 4-3, I'd take Gholston.
    Last edited by katnip; 01-05-2008, 09:46 PM.
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    Vernon Gholston.Wheres the poll.
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    • #3
      gholston. i think campbell's size intrigues people, but he's not a freak like mario or peppers

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      • #4
        Forgot you could do a poll on this forum.
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        • #5
          Originally posted by foozball View Post
          gholston. i think campbell's size intrigues people, but he's not a freak like mario or peppers
          What defines freak? Campbell is 6'8 281 and runs about a mid-4.7. What's most impressive about him is his COD skills for his size, to chase down QBs and RBs and pursue plays across the LOS. Right now the only thing separating him from those two is an arsenal of pass rush moves, because he has all the size and athleticism.

          I don't, however, think this is a fair question. Campbell projects as a 4-3 LDE, while Gholston would be an edge rusher like Freeney/Rice in that defense. The edge rusher gets more sacks and pressures, but Campbell would be very valuable against the run and pass in that defense. Tough call because of the different assignments.

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          • #6
            Between the two, I'd take Gholston. Campbell's intriguing, and it'll be interesting where he falls. One of the writers at PFW pegged him a 2nd/3rd rounder. I don't think he's that low, but I could see late first/early 2nd. I think Harvey's probably moved ahead of Calais overall, with some other ends in the same mix of late first/early 2nd.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by etk View Post
              What defines freak? Campbell is 6'8 281 and runs about a mid-4.7. What's most impressive about him is his COD skills for his size, to chase down QBs and RBs and pursue plays across the LOS. Right now the only thing separating him from those two is an arsenal of pass rush moves, because he has all the size and athleticism.

              I don't, however, think this is a fair question. Campbell projects as a 4-3 LDE, while Gholston would be an edge rusher like Freeney/Rice in that defense. The edge rusher gets more sacks and pressures, but Campbell would be very valuable against the run and pass in that defense. Tough call because of the different assignments.
              well campbell is estimated to run low 4.8's on most sites, but when you compare him to mario, he was pretty raw as well. he's 6'7 295lbs, so he's just as tall and bigger than campbell, but ran a 4.66...which is just as fast as most linebackers. not to mention he played in the same conference and had better production, but i guess you could give some credit to the NFL DLine they ran at NC St.

              i think a better comp, as far as physical measurables go, is jamaal anderson, who is 6'6 280lbs and runs 4.75, so while the size/speed ratio is good, it isnt freakish. i think thats where campbell falls when comparing guys physically

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              • #8
                i'll take gholston. he is gonna be great, especailly off the edge.
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by foozball View Post
                  well campbell is estimated to run low 4.8's on most sites, but when you compare him to mario, he was pretty raw as well. he's 6'7 295lbs, so he's just as tall and bigger than campbell, but ran a 4.66...which is just as fast as most linebackers. not to mention he played in the same conference and had better production, but i guess you could give some credit to the NFL DLine they ran at NC St.

                  i think a better comp, as far as physical measurables go, is jamaal anderson, who is 6'6 280lbs and runs 4.75, so while the size/speed ratio is good, it isnt freakish. i think thats where campbell falls when comparing guys physically
                  I guess we'll just have to wait and see. On paper, Campbell is a good comparison to Anderson, but I watch every Miami game and I saw Anderson play the Bucs...they're completely different players. Sure, they're both tall, big LDE prospects, but Anderson isn't very agile and he has a bit of a gut. Campbell is built rock solid and moves very well. 40 times aren't everything and I'd go as far as saying Campbell is more athletic than Super Mario, but Mario is way bigger, stronger and more powerful. Campbell had better production than Mario did as a Soph, I'm pretty sure, and he was recruited as a LB out of Colorado to give you a sense of his athleticism over his career.

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                  • #10
                    I didn't see much of Anderson this year, and definitely not the Bucs game. But he's actually a superb athlete. I mean, if you want to use Calais' status as a former LB as one attribute to indicate athleticism, Jamaal was a former WR. Jamaal also put up really high end numbers in the 3-cone and shuttle from what I remember. I can buy the part of Calais being more agile/quicker than Mario. I think folks buy that Calais is a good athlete. Whether or not he's a consistently good football player that has the work ethic/drive, I think that's what more people have questions on, and not his athleticism.

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                    • #11
                      Gholston regardless of system; I question Campbell's work ethic


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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by toonsterwu View Post
                        I didn't see much of Anderson this year, and definitely not the Bucs game. But he's actually a superb athlete. I mean, if you want to use Calais' status as a former LB as one attribute to indicate athleticism, Jamaal was a former WR. Jamaal also put up really high end numbers in the 3-cone and shuttle from what I remember. I can buy the part of Calais being more agile/quicker than Mario. I think folks buy that Calais is a good athlete. Whether or not he's a consistently good football player that has the work ethic/drive, I think that's what more people have questions on, and not his athleticism.
                        i know that calais is a good athlete, i just dont think he's on the freak level of a mario. jamaal anderson was a very good athlete as well, but i was expecting him to run a bit better and be alot stronger than he was.

                        mario 6'7 295lbs
                        4.66 40yd
                        7.21 3 cone
                        4.37 20yd shuttle
                        40.5 inch vert
                        10' broad jump
                        35 reps 225lbs

                        jamaal 6'6 280lbs
                        4.75 40yd
                        6.88 3 cone
                        4.22 20yd shuttle
                        32.5 inch vert
                        9'8 broad jump
                        22 reps 225lbs

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                        • #13
                          Campbell solid LE, Ghoslton solid RE

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                          • #14
                            Gholston, and its not even close....

                            I wouldn't buy to much into the Calais height, he's going to be your typical 6'8 college player who measures in a little over 6'5.... much like Mathias did 2 years ago.

                            But at the same time, this is like comparing apples and oranges

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                            • #15
                              So is being compared to Jamaal Anderson, who had zero sacks while starting 16 games, a good thing?

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