Announcement

Collapse
No announcement yet.

Question for Scott on Kevin Smith

Collapse
X
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • Question for Scott on Kevin Smith

    Scott, you have Smith running a 4.60 at the combine but I heard he ran a 4.47 unofficial. Is 4.60 his real official time???
    And proud of it!!!

  • #2
    I have 4.53 as Smith's official time

    Comment


    • #3
      I have the same question, i am positive i read somewhere (maybe even this site) that he ran sub 4.5, but you got him down with a 4.6.

      Honestly though it isn't that big of a deal to me, i have seen the guy play both in person and on tv and he definitely plays faster than a 4.6. I wouldn't call him a home run hitter, but i think he has enough speed to turn the corner and get some solid 20+ yard runs...kind of like Willis McGahee speed or Steven Jackson speed (not sure if that is clear). Also, i think his agility maybe underrated a bit too much.

      DChess resizing inc.

      Reality is relative.

      We don't give a DAMN for the whole state of Michigan

      Comment


      • #4
        he ran a 4.5something officially and his 2nd time was a 4.6something officially

        Comment


        • #5
          Ya, can we get the official times? Its been like a month... that information is usually out by now...

          Comment


          • #6
            The number the NFL Network ran during their coverage was very "Unofficial". Like foozball said he ran a high 4.5 and a low 4.6 officially.
            Scott Wright, President
            Draft Countdown.com
            www.draftcountdown.com

            Twitter: twitter.com/DraftCountdown

            Draft Countdown Podcast, Every Tuesday at 8 PM EST
            www.blogtalkradio.com/draftcountdown and on iTunes

            Comment


            • #7
              Originally posted by Scott Wright View Post
              The number the NFL Network ran during their coverage was very "Unofficial". Like foozball said he ran a high 4.5 and a low 4.6 officially.
              Do you have the official numbers? 4.5 what? And 4.6 what?

              Comment


              • #8
                Originally posted by Freddy G View Post
                I have the same question, i am positive i read somewhere (maybe even this site) that he ran sub 4.5, but you got him down with a 4.6.

                Honestly though it isn't that big of a deal to me, i have seen the guy play both in person and on tv and he definitely plays faster than a 4.6. I wouldn't call him a home run hitter, but i think he has enough speed to turn the corner and get some solid 20+ yard runs...kind of like Willis McGahee speed or Steven Jackson speed (not sure if that is clear). Also, i think his agility maybe underrated a bit too much.
                It's pretty huge in fact. 4.60 RB's don't have the speed to turn the corner in the NFL. They can use their quickness, vision and cutting ability to run between the tackles but they are way too slow to run outside. It is the difference between a 1st or 2nd rounder and a 3rd and 4th rounder for Smith.

                Txs for the confirmation Scott.
                And proud of it!!!

                Comment


                • #9
                  I don't care if Smith ran a 3.9....I've seen him quite a few times and his breakaway speed always seemed well below-average. I think Smith is overrated as a prospect.

                  sig by BoneKrusher

                  Comment


                  • #10
                    Originally posted by etk View Post
                    I don't care if Smith ran a 3.9....I've seen him quite a few times and his breakaway speed always seemed well below-average. I think Smith is overrated as a prospect.
                    Besides his speed... what else about his game dont you like?

                    What makes him overrated in your eye?

                    Comment


                    • #11
                      Speed is one of the most overrated traits of a RB.

                      I remember Jimmy Johnson talking about Emmitt Smith. He said that Emmitt had 4.7 speed, but he kept making long runs on the film they watched of him.

                      Now, I haven't seen a lot of Kevin Smith, but from some highlights I have seen, he has his share of long runs.

                      Comment


                      • #12
                        Originally posted by FinNasty View Post
                        Besides his speed... what else about his game dont you like?

                        What makes him overrated in your eye?
                        I think he's overrated in comparison to the rest of the RBs in the class. He's not very shifty or elusive, he has good feet but not like Forte, he runs fairly high, he doesn't have as strong of a build as you'd like, and he has the mileage issue from carrying the load. I understand he has impressive production and has found ways to break big runs even though he's not the best athlete, but to me he's a physical inside runner that isn't fast enough to break the big one or strong enough to consistently move the pile against bigger, stronger defenders. I don't like his build for a RB and I don't think he's a good enough athlete if you want to quantify it in one sentence.

                        sig by BoneKrusher

                        Comment


                        • #13
                          Originally posted by etk View Post
                          I think he's overrated in comparison to the rest of the RBs in the class. He's not very shifty or elusive, he has good feet but not like Forte, he runs fairly high, he doesn't have as strong of a build as you'd like, and he has the mileage issue from carrying the load. I understand he has impressive production and has found ways to break big runs even though he's not the best athlete, but to me he's a physical inside runner that isn't fast enough to break the big one or strong enough to consistently move the pile against bigger, stronger defenders. I don't like his build for a RB and I don't think he's a good enough athlete if you want to quantify it in one sentence.
                          You are off on that one bro. The guy's agility and cuts are one of his strengths...
                          http://nfldraft.rivals.com/video.asp...ge&vidid=32987

                          He does run higher, but when making contact, he gets low, and he has great leg drive to go with it. Plus, because of his agility, defenders rarely get clean hits on him... which is the main concern with players that run high.

                          He does need to add upper body strength. I agree with that. But he has frame for it, as it is hardly maxed out. He already added 5lbs between the season and the combine... and measured in at 217lbs. He can easily add 8 more pounds and get up to 225lbs with NFL trainers. They can bulk him up no problem.

                          And he is still a junior, so while he had a heavy carry season, he doesnt have that much milage on him. He didnt have that kind of work load his first 2 years.

                          However, he proved this season that he can handle that kind of workload... which only helped his stock.

                          Had he stayed his senior year, I would agree with you.


                          Kevin doesnt dominate defenses with things like speed(even though he has solid speed)... that doesnt always translate well to the next level. He dominates them with vision... which is the one aspect of a running back that translates better than anything else.

                          Comment


                          • #14
                            Originally posted by FinNasty View Post
                            You are off on that one bro. The guy's agility and cuts are one of his strengths...
                            http://nfldraft.rivals.com/video.asp...ge&vidid=32987

                            He does run higher, but when making contact, he gets low, and he has great leg drive to go with it. Plus, because of his agility, defenders rarely get clean hits on him... which is the main concern with players that run high.

                            He does need to add upper body strength. I agree with that. But he has frame for it, as it is hardly maxed out. He already added 5lbs between the season and the combine... and measured in at 217lbs. He can easily add 8 more pounds and get up to 225lbs with NFL trainers. They can bulk him up no problem.

                            And he is still a junior, so while he had a heavy carry season, he doesnt have that much milage on him. He didnt have that kind of work load his first 2 years.

                            However, he proved this season that he can handle that kind of workload... which only helped his stock.

                            Had he stayed his senior year, I would agree with you.


                            Kevin doesnt dominate defenses with things like speed(even though he has solid speed)... that doesnt always translate well to the next level. He dominates them with vision... which is the one aspect of a running back that translates better than anything else.
                            I said he's not very shifty or elusive. From what I've seen he doesn't have that ability in the open field, but he does make good lateral cuts in the hole.

                            I haven't seen the "lowness on contact" but I'll give you the leg drive.

                            Agree that he can bulk up, but he hasn't yet.

                            Good points, but as you said it Kevin is an inside runner and I like my inside runners to be stockier. That's the determining factor in why I don't like him, but other teams will. He has proven that he can run inside but I question how consistent he will be at the next level.

                            sig by BoneKrusher

                            Comment


                            • #15
                              Originally posted by etk View Post
                              I said he's not very shifty or elusive. From what I've seen he doesn't have that ability in the open field, but he does make good lateral cuts in the hole.

                              I haven't seen the "lowness on contact" but I'll give you the leg drive.

                              Agree that he can bulk up, but he hasn't yet.

                              Good points, but as you said it Kevin is an inside runner and I like my inside runners to be stockier. That's the determining factor in why I don't like him, but other teams will. He has proven that he can run inside but I question how consistent he will be at the next level.
                              Well then I encourage you to watch that video I posted. If you watch that video and still think he cant cut... then we arnt ever going to agree on him... lol

                              And like my RBs thicker too. I love Stewart's body as a RB. But KSmith will get there with an NFL trainer and an offseason. It wont be hard. I think passing on a player due to something that is so easy to correct is crazy. If it was somthing you couldnt fix, like knee injury history... thats cool. But any NFL team will bulk him up quickly. He doesnt need to add too much weight. 8-13lbs puts him at 225-230lbs...

                              Comment

                              Working...
                              X

                              Debug Information