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    http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/...hart-in-draft/


    Last edited by TyronePoole38; 04-04-2008, 12:28 PM. Reason: Image inserted

  • #2
    Nice. I'll have to take a look later!

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    • #3
      interesting stuff...money plays a big part in this


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      • #4
        Ha! I'm sorry but that's a bit too extreme to the other side. Yes these contracts are out of hand, but you're telling me that I can trade up from the 2nd pick to the 1st pick by trading a 6th rounder?


        Nobody cares about your stupid fantasy team.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by bearsfan_51 View Post
          Ha! I'm sorry but that's a bit too extreme to the other side. Yes these contracts are out of hand, but you're telling me that I can trade up from the 2nd pick to the 1st pick by trading a 6th rounder?
          I agree the values are awful and regardless of the money necessary to get these players, their value is far greater than this


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          • #6
            Originally posted by bearsfan_51 View Post
            Ha! I'm sorry but that's a bit too extreme to the other side. Yes these contracts are out of hand, but you're telling me that I can trade up from the 2nd pick to the 1st pick by trading a 6th rounder?
            There should really be a rule against PFT articles being given their own threads. There is no way that any team would use that chart.


            Originally posted by Halsey
            I don't have to watch it to know it was not interesting.

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            • #7
              Wow look at the difference between the last pick in the 1st and the first pick in the 2nd.

              Apparently it only takes a 6th rounder to move up from #2 to #1 but a high 3rd rounder to move from #33 to #32.

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              • #8
                On a separate note, something that most haven't discussed is this - let's say that some people get a new chart agreed upon this year. The chances of it fully getting implemented within a year, even two, seems slim to me. You have to get all these teams to agree on new values, which seems problematic.

                Of course, if the team at the top is willing to play by the new chart, then, maybe it goes quicker.

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                • #9
                  I doubt that NFL teams are actually using one of these value charts when they make, all teams value there picks differently and I'm sure that there chart reflects it in such a way

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                  • #10
                    I like the idea of lower values at the top but there is no way values at the top will ever be that low. I can see a trade chart emerging though that is somewhere between the current one and that one.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by fenikz View Post
                      I doubt that NFL teams are actually using one of these value charts when they make, all teams value there picks differently and I'm sure that there chart reflects it in such a way
                      If you look at the majority of trades, they often coincide very closely with the Jimmy Johnson trade chart. The variables are usually how much teams value future picks and things of that nature.


                      Nobody cares about your stupid fantasy team.

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                      • #12
                        In a few years, this projection should be more accurate than the one traditionally used today. If the NFL does not fix the CBA, and the league has uncapped years, small market teams will be held hostage. Teams will be forced out of top 5-10 picks due to the lack of funding to spend on a 30 million guaranteed. Its interesting to speculate what direction the league will take when only large market teams can afford top draft positions and small market teams the rest.

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                        • #13
                          Agreed that this seem out of whack. To move up from 10 overall to 1 overall only takes a mid second rounder?

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                          • #14
                            firstly, the uncapped year thing isnt going to happen. to allow that would be suicide for both sides since it would essentially be killing the goose that lays the golden egg.

                            so we can just throw that out right now. worst case scenario, one sides makes some last minute concessions to keep the cap in place and what not for a few more years....

                            anyway, onto the new chart.

                            i am very much in favor of a new trade chart being worked out. I think that its completely asinine that the top picks are so hard to trade into (or out of) considering the amount of money teams have to pay to unproven players there.

                            now, i was a little disappointed in the PFT one when i saw it. it takes what i would like to see a little too far...but im glad to see he was trying.

                            and ill never, EVER understand why people hate PFT so much. he touches on issues and reports things days or sometimes weeks before the real media will and is right about it 90% of the time. id take knowing things that much sooner for that once every-now-and-then chance that hes mistaken. he does such great work imo. PFT is my homepage and im always clicking back there for updates.

                            but like i said, the trade chart DOES need changed and at least he tried something. now it should be a little harder to trade than just to throw 6th round picks in but hey, he tried something. I respect that and i wish the NFL would take it a little further.

                            i always point to last year as an example of something stupid happening because the trade chart is out of whack.

                            i think its clear that lions wanted (and needed) gaines adams and the bucs wanted (and needed) calvin johnson.

                            the browns, the team between them, were very unlikely to take either of those guys, so we can throw them out as ******* it up.

                            now, if i recall correctly, the lions basically wanted everything bucs had for them to move up to #2. the trade value chart was on the lions side there i believe.

                            but, tehre are several problems with that.

                            a.) your going to get adams at #4 for a reduced price than what youd have to pay anyone at #2
                            b.) the browns aren't going to take adams (i didnt believe) so you dont have to worry about them
                            c.) you can pick up just an extra 3rd rounder and still come out on top.

                            both teams could end up with the players they wanted by trading and the lions could have just picked up a free 3rd rounder, AND paid the guy they wanted a whole lot less.

                            its just stupid...the chart needs changed

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                            • #15
                              From PFT : (this wasn't posted when the chart went up initially)


                              UNVEILING A NEW DRAFT TRADE CHART
                              Posted by Mike Florio on April 4, 2008, 2:48 p.m.

                              For those of you who have managed to stay awake through some of the less intriguing stuff that gives us a little street cred in the football bidness, here’s one that will be sure to put you to sleep.

                              We’re unveiling today our initial proposal for a new draft trade chart.

                              The current version, which can be inspected right here, was developed in the 1990s. But the skyrocketing of rookie contracts paid to the guys at the top of round one have rendered the current chart obsolete.

                              Under the current chart, the No. 1 overall pick is worth 3,000 points. The value drops by 400 points per pick over the next three selections. Then, the drop is 100 per pick for the next four, 50 per pick for the next ten selections, 25 per pick for a few choices, then 20 for several picks, and then finally ten per pick at the bottom of round one and into round two.

                              So if the Dallas Cowboys were to package the No. 22 and No. 28 overall picks in an effort to move up for a crack at Arkansas running back Darren McFadden, the two first-rounders would be worth 1,440 points, enough to move up only to No. 8. To get to No. 1, the Cowboys would need another 1,560 points.

                              Under the new chart, the No. 1 overall pick is worth 1,000 points. The biggest drop in the round (100 points) occurs between picks number 16 and 17, since the maximum length of the rookie deal as of the seventeenth pick is five years. For the first sixteen selections, the maximum duration is six.

                              There’s an even bigger dip from the bottom of round one to the top of round two, since the maximum contract length beginning with round two is four years.

                              The value doesn’t change at all from the bottom of round two to the top of round three, because the new draft format gives the team with the first pick in round three much more time to contemplate the pick. Starting this year, only the first round and second round will be selected on Saturday. On Sunday morning, the third round begins.

                              We’re not quite sure how the current trade chart became gospel, but the thing is now outdated. We plan to possibly tweak the new numbers based on input from league insiders and readers. For now, however, we think that the proposed chart is a huge upgrade over the version that has been in place, but only because of the changes in the dynamics of paying players at the top of round one.

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