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    Buyer Beware on defensive end

    Ohio State’s Vernon Gholston is considered a high-riser in the NFL Draft. Scouts have fallen in love with his potential, overlooking, perhaps, some inconsistencies from his college career.

    “He’s top seven at worst,’’ ESPN draft guru Mel Kiper Jr., said.

    New England, picking seventh, could be his final destination. In the 3-4 front, Gholston could be used as a linebacker.

    But not all have him up there, however. At least one AFC team gave him a second-round grade, even talking about dropping him to the third round.

    “I’d be terrified if I took him in the first round,’’ one scout said. “He’s chiseled, he runs like the wind and he’s not dumb. But if you look on film, he has three great games and the rest of the season he’s watching the game.’’


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    most believe this guy to be a slam dunk player but has everyone forgotten his weaknesses?
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  • #2
    Taking plays off or disappearing in a few games has been a knock on some elite DE's going into the draft over the years.

    Peppers had that knock against him coming out of college.

    I doubt his stock takes much of hit from it. NE would love to have him.

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    • #3
      Gholston will excel in the right place. He usually got pressure on the QB, even when he didn't sack him. I don't see where he is getting these claims.


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      • #4
        like i said before and will say again and again and again

        quentin groves > vernon gholston

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        • #5
          I actually have not been a big supporter of Vernon Gholston, and think there is a big gap between him and Long, though I don't know if I would say a second or third round grade, but he seems like a late first guy to me, but wh knows.
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          • #6
            I think he's a tad overrated. I think he's a top 10 talent but the #1 talk is a bit ridiculous and he definitely has some things that worry me. The inconsistent motor has been mentioned but he's also really underdeveloped as a pass rusher. A lot of people like him because of the potential that he has, but the lack of pass rush moves is a bit worrisome to me.

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            • #7
              I think the guy is gonna be a stud. I think he will fare even better in the NFL if he goes to a 3-4 team. Gholston IMO has the most upside of anyone in the draft and he is already a great player and has alot room to get better such as his effort on every play. As far as those scouts saying he's a second or third round pick, I don't buy that for one second to me it's just a smoke screen.

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              • #8
                I don't see him being that effective as a 3-4 backer. I do think he can play it, but his agility and times for linebacker drills are right on the edge of the ability to play linebacker in the nfl. 3-4 linebackers do much more than just rush the passer... can he hold contain against the run? Can he drop back into a zone? Cover a TE? Cover a back out into the flat? His hips are too stiff in my opinion to be an elite outside linebacker. I think his best bet is RDE in a 4-3.

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                • #9
                  I don't, and never did, see why people were so high on Vernon Gholston. I don't see what he has done to vault himself ahead of players like Kamerion Wimbley, Shawne Merriman, DeMarcus Ware, etc., all of whom were players drafted in the 10-20 range, not in the top-5.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Shiver View Post
                    I don't, and never did, see why people were so high on Vernon Gholston. I don't see what he has done to vault himself ahead of players like Kamerion Wimbley, Shawne Merriman, DeMarcus Ware, etc., all of whom were players drafted in the 10-20 range, not in the top-5.
                    That is part of the reason why I have him as a late first rounder, though you can't solely judge this year off of another, becuase talent pool is completely different every year.
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by eaglesalltheway View Post
                      That is part of the reason why I have him as a late first rounder, though you can't solely judge this year off of another, becuase talent pool is completely different every year.
                      It isn't as if 2005 was such a strong class that Merriman and Ware couldn't crack the top-10..

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                      • #12
                        Is he overrated in respect to this year? I'd guess no, but then again, I feel like this is a really weak top of the draft in general. I don't think he's top 5 this year, grade wise, but folks that have him 6-10, I can buy that. It's really not a great year at the top.

                        Is he overrated in general? I've long been of the opinion yes. I still think he would be a better 4-3 end than 3-4 OLB, but I don't think he grades out as well as, say, Gaines Adams from last year. As a 3-4 OLB, I still have my concerns about him in space.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by MURPHMAN View Post
                          Taking plays off or disappearing in a few games has been a knock on some elite DE's going into the draft over the years.

                          Peppers had that knock against him coming out of college.

                          I doubt his stock takes much of hit from it. NE would love to have him.
                          Not to mention that this scout sounds like the only thing that matters to him was multi-sack games...elite DL-men always get this knock because it seems everybody expects a play to remember them by week after week...that doesn't happen though.

                          Besides for that, I agree with everything Toonster said. I worry about his ability to play in space, though I think he has the ability/potential to become a bit less stiff in the lower body than he currently is. He *could* be a very good pass rusher for a Wade Phillips type 3-4 right away though, but Chris Long passed him as the best 3-4 OLB prospect after his combine.
                          Last edited by SenorGato; 04-08-2008, 01:18 PM.

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                          • #14
                            This thread is blasphemous!!

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                            • #15
                              I think he's absolutely overrated. There seems to be the general perception that this is one of the most versatile defenders available, but really, all I see is one of the most one-dimensional defenders that is even getting first round consideration. There should be a lot of concern surrounding the fact that his guy is the definition of a player who cruises by on physical talent alone, and showed a lack of being able to cope when his opponents adjusted for that. I think that any quality NFL left tackle is going to force him to totally re-think his game, and you never know how that will go.

                              Of course, this is a weak class, so his rise is absolutely understandable. I personally have him as the 15th best prospect or so, but that's me.

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