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    BIG BOARD (4-13-08)

    Just a rough draft of my Top 252 which will be finished with a couple days left until the draft. Everything on this list is subject to change, I'm simply laying down my foundation with a first draft. Some parts I felt good about, others not so good. By draft day it'll be the way I want it. Feel free to question anything, comment on anything.

    If your question concerns my stance on the top 6 players here, simply look in the "Number One Player" thread, where I have my explanation already. Enjoy!

    1. Matt Ryan - QB - Boston College
    2. Jake Long - OT - Michigan
    3. Glenn Dorsey - DT - LSU
    4. Chris Long - DE/OLB - Virginia
    5. Darren McFadden - RB - Arkansas
    6. Vernon Gholston - DE/OLB - Ohio State
    7. Sedrick Ellis - DT - USC
    8. Ryan Clady - OT - Boise State
    9. Rashard Mendenhall - RB - Illinois
    10. Branden Albert - OG/OT - Virginia
    11. Derrick Harvey - DE - Florida
    12. Keith Rivers - LB - USC
    13. Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie - CB - Tennessee State
    14. Chris Williams - OT - Vanderbilt
    15. Leodis McKelvin - CB - Troy
    16. Jerod Mayo - LB - Tennessee
    17. Jeff Otah - OT - Pittsburgh
    18. Devin Thomas - WR - Michigan State
    19. Phillip Merling - DE - Clemson
    20. Limas Sweed - WR - Texas
    21. Jonathan Stewart - RB - Oregon
    22. Brian Brohm - QB - Louisville
    23. Quentin Groves - OLB/DE - Auburn
    24. Trevor Laws - DT - Notre Dame
    25. Aqib Talib - CB - Kansas
    26. Kenny Phillips - S - Miami
    27. Mike Jenkins - CB - South Florida
    28. Dan Connor - LB - Penn State
    29. Gosder Cherilus - OT - Boston College
    30. James Hardy - WR - Indiana
    31. Calais Campbell - DE - Miami
    32. DeSean Jackson - WR - California
    33. Joe Flacco - QB - Delaware
    34. Brandon Flowers - CB - Virginia Tech
    35. Tyrell Johnson - S - Arkansas State
    36. Kentwan Balmer - DT - North Carolina
    37. Mario Manningham - WR - Michigan
    38. Curtis Lofton - ILB - Oklahoma
    39. Malcolm Kelly - WR - Oklahoma
    40. Matt Forte - RB - Tulane
    41. Felix Jones - RB - Arkansas
    42. Cliff Avril - OLB - Purdue
    43. Chilo Rachal - OG - USC
    44. John Carlson - TE - Notre Dame
    45. Justin King - CB - Penn State
    46. Dustin Keller - TE - Purdue
    47. Chad Henne - QB - Michigan
    48. Duane Brown - OT/OG - Virginia Tech
    49. Anthony Collins - OT - Kansas
    50. Antoine Cason - CB - Arizona
    51. Tracy Porter - CB - Indiana
    52. Patrick Lee - CB - Auburn
    53. Erin Henderson - OLB - Maryland
    54. Jason Jones - DE - Eastern Michigan
    55. Chris Johnson - RB/WR - East Carolina
    56. Martellus Bennett - TE - Texas A&M
    57. Lawrence Jackson - DE - USC
    58. DaJuan Morgan - S - NC State
    59. Charles Godfrey - CB - Iowa
    60. Reggie Smith - S/CB - Oklahoma
    61. Donnie Avery - WR - Houston
    62. Antwuan Molden - CB - Eastern Kentucky
    63. Sam Baker - OG/OT - USC
    64. Tyvon Branch - CB - Connecticut
    65. Pat Sims - DT - Auburn
    66. Fred Davis - TE - USC
    67. Andre Caldwell - WR - Florida
    68. Dre Moore - DT - Maryland
    69. Tavares Gooden - OLB - Miami
    70. Jeremy Thompson - DE - Wake Forest
    71. Carl Nicks - OT - Nebraska
    72. Eddie Royal - WR - Virginia Tech
    73. Jerome Simpson - WR - Coastal Carolina
    74. Red Bryant - DT - Texas A&M
    75. Terrell Thomas - CB - USC
    76. Early Doucet - WR - LSU
    77. Phillip Wheeler - LB - Georgia Tech
    78. Ahtyba Rubin - DT - Iowa State
    79. Marcus Harrison - DT - Arkansas
    80. Earl Bennett - WR - Vanderbilt
    81. Andre Woodson - QB - Kentucky
    82. Brad Cottam - TE - Tennessee
    83. Xavier Adibi - OLB - Virginia Tech
    84. Ray Rice - RB - Rutgers
    85. Chris Ellis - DE/OLB - Virginia Tech
    86. Jeremy Zuttah - C/OG - Rutgers
    87. Dexter Jackson - WR - Appalachian State
    88. Orlando Scandrick - CB - Boise State
    89. Oniel Cousins - OT/OG - UTEP
    90. Josh Johnson - QB - San Diego
    91. Chad Rinehart - OG/OT - Northern Iowa
    92. Will Franklin - WR - Missouri
    93. Kellen Davis - TE - Michigan State
    94. Jordy Nelson - WR - Kansas State
    95. Stanford Keglar - OLB - Purdue
    96. Jermichael Finley - TE - Texas
    97. Donald Thomas - OG - Connecticut
    98. Jamaal Charles - RB - Texas
    99. Roy Schuening - OG - Oregon State
    100. Geno Hayes - OLB - Florida State
    101. Darrell Robertson - DE - Georgia Tech
    102. Beau Bell - ILB/OLB - UNLV
    103. Frank Okam - DT - Texas
    104. Michael Grant - CB/S - Arkansas
    105. David Roach - S - TCU
    106. Josh Barrett - S - Arizona State
    107. Craig Stevens - TE - California
    108. Lavelle Hawkins - WR - California
    109. Mike Pollak - C - Arizona State
    110. Tashard Choice - RB - Georgia Tech
    111. Thomas DeCoud - S - California
    112. Terrence Wheatley - CB - Colorado
    113. Kevin Smith - RB - Central Florida
    114. Shawn Crable - OLB - Michigan
    115. Mackenzy Bernadeau - OG - Bentley
    116. Ali Highsmith - LB - LSU
    117. John Greco - OG/OT - Toledo
    118. Jonathan Goff - ILB - Vanderbilt
    119. Chevis Jackson - CB - LSU
    120. Marcus Monk - WR - Arkansas
    121. Brian Johnston - DE - Gardner-Webb
    122. Thomas Brown - RB - Georgia
    123. Kendall Langford - DE - Hampton
    124. Martin Rucker - TE - Missouri
    125. Bryan Smith - OLB/DE - McNeese State
    126. Gary Guyton - OLB - Georgia Tech
    127. Mike McGlynn - OG/OT - Pittsburgh
    128. Kevin O'Connell - QB - San Diego State
    129. Quintin Demps - S - UTEP
    130. John David Booty - QB - USC
    131. Jack Williams - CB - Kent State
    132. Kenny Iwebema - DE - Iowa
    133. Harry Douglas - WR - Louisville
    134. Josh Morgan - WR - Virginia Tech
    135. Jordan Dizon - OLB - Colorado
    136. King Dunlap - OT - Auburn
    137. Kerry Brown - OG - Appalachian State
    138. Bryan Kehl - OLB - BYU
    139. Adrian Arrington - WR - Michigan
    140. Marcus Howard - OLB/DE - Georgia
    141. Breno Giacomini - OT - Louisville
    142. Trae Williams - CB - South Florida
    143. Jacob Hester - FB - LSU
    144. Wesely Woodyard - OLB - Kentucky
    145. Marcus Smith - WR - New Mexico
    146. Keilen Dykes - DT/DE - West Virginia
    147. Geoff Schwartz - OT - Oregon
    148. Letroy Guion - DT - Florida State
    149. Chris Horton - S - UCLA
    150. Arman Shields - WR - Richmond
    151. Owen Schmitt - FB - West Virginia
    152. Bruce Davis - OLB/DE - UCLA
    153. Marcus Henry - WR - Kansas
    154. Justin Harper - WR - Virginia Tech
    155. Keenan Burton - WR - Kentucky
    156. DeMario Pressley - DT - NC State
    157. Zack Bowman - CB - Nebraska
    158. Ezra Butler - OLB - Nevada
    159. Will Robinson - OT - San Diego State
    160. Shawn Murphy - OG - Utah State
    161. Andre Fluellen - DT - Florida State
    162. Jonathan Wilhite - CB - Auburn
    163. John Sullivan - C - Notre Dame
    164. Durrell Mapp - OLB - North Carolina
    165. Gary Barnidge - TE - Louisville
    166. Curtis Johnson - OLB/DE - Clark
    167. Chad Simpson - RB - Morgan State
    168. Durant Brooks - P - Georgia Tech
    169. Cory Boyd - RB - South Carolina
    170. David Vobora - OLB - Idaho
    171. Drew Radovich - OG - USC
    172. Spencer Larson - ILB - Arizona
    173. Jack Ikegwuonu - CB - Wisconsin
    174. Alvin Bowen - OLB - Iowa State
    175. Jacob Tamme - TE - Kentucky
    176. Peyton Hillis - FB - Arkansas
    177. Larry Grant - LB - Ohio State
    178. Jerome Felton - FB - Furman
    179. Bernard Morris - QB - Marshall
    180. Steve Slaton - RB - West Virginia
    181. Lamar Myles - OLB - Louisville
    182. Kory Lichtensteiger - C - Bowling Green
    183. Paul Hubbard - WR - Wisconsin
    184. Eric Young - OG - Tennessee
    185. Kirk Barton - OT/OG - Ohio State
    186. Corey Lynch - S - Appalachian State
    187. Kevin Robinson - WR - Utah State
    188. Trevor Scott - DE - Buffalo
    189. Mike Dragosavich - P - North Dakota State
    190. JoLonn Dunbar - LB - Boston College
    191. Steve Justice - C - Wake Forest
    192. Calton Powell - DT - Virginia Tech
    193. Jamar Adams - S - Michigan
    194. Taylor Mehlhaff - K - Wisconsin
    195. Mike Gibson - OG - California
    196. Steve Octavien - LB - Nebraska
    197. Chauncey Washington - RB - USC
    198. Jameel McClain - LB - Syracuse
    199. Joey Haynos - TE - Maryland
    200. Jamey Richard - C - Buffalo
    201. Colt Brennan - QB - Hawaii
    202. Thomas Williams - LB - USC
    203. Dorian Smith - DE - Oregon State
    204. J Leman - MLB - Illinois
    205. Pierre Garcon - WR - Mount Union
    206. Nick Hayden - DT - Wisconsin
    207. Dennis Dixon - QB - Oregon
    208. Tom Santi - TE - Virginia
    209. Jalen Parmele - RB - Toledo
    210. Dwight Lowery - CB - San Jose State
    211. Barry Booker - DT - Virginia Tech
    212. Erik Ainge - QB - Tennessee
    213. Wallace Gilberry - DE - Alabama
    214. Carl Stewart - FB - Auburn
    215. Justin Forsett - RB - California
    216. Brandon Keith - OT/OG
    217. Joe Jon Finley - TE - Oklahoma
    218. Marcus Thomas - RB - UTEP
    219. Robert Felton - OG - Arkansas
    220. Justin Tyron - CB - Arizona State
    221. Marcus Buggs - LB - Vanderbilt
    222. Curtis Gatewood - LB/DE - Vanderbilt
    223. Cody Wallace - C - Texas A&M
    224. Haruki Nakamura - S - Cincinnati
    225. Brandon Carr - CB - Grand Valley State
    226. Barry Richardson - OT - Clemson
    227. Matteral Richardson - CB - Arkansas
    228. Steve Johnson - WR - Kentucky
    229. Simeon Castille - S/CB - Alabama
    230. Fernando Velasco - C - Georgia
    231. Mario Urrutia - WR - Louisville
    232. Paul Smith - QB - Tulsa
    233. Darrell Strong - TE - Pittsburgh
    234. Brandon Coutu - K - Georgia
    235. Craig Steltz - S - LSU
    236. Maurice Purify - WR - Nebraska
    237. Angelo Craig - OLB - Cincinnati
    238. Darnell Terrell - CB - Missouri
    239. Tom Zbikowski - S - Notre Dame
    240. Louis Holmes - DE - Arizona
    241. Sam Keller - QB - Nebraska
    242. Vincent Redd - DE/LB - Liberty
    243. Demetrius Bell - OT - Northwestern State
    244. Ryan Grice-Mullen - WR - Hawaii
    245. Tony Hills - OT - Texas
    246. Robert Jordan - WR - California
    247. Jason Shirley - DT - Fresno State
    248. Steve Allen - LB - West Texas A&M
    249. Anthony Hoke - OLB - Cincinnati
    250. Steven Hauschka - K - NC State
    251. Allen Patrick - RB - Oklahoma
    252. Jehuu Caulcrick - FB - Michigan State

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  • #2
    From an Oregon perspective, my main gripe would be Schwartz being rated higher than Dixon. It's tough to compare an OT to a QB, but there's no way in hell that Schwartz is a better OT prospect than Dixon is as a QB.

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    • #3
      Great job pudge only guy I disagree with is reggie smith being ranked that low... but no biggie.

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      • #4
        Really nice overall, most of the players are in the range that I would expect, the only Question I have is about two players. Allen Patrick and Erik Ainge are ranked low in my opinion.
        Nanna Bryndís Hilmarsdóttir is a goddess

        Rest in Peace, themaninblack

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        • #5
          Originally posted by duckseason View Post
          From an Oregon perspective, my main gripe would be Schwartz being rated higher than Dixon. It's tough to compare an OT to a QB, but there's no way in hell that Schwartz is a better OT prospect than Dixon is as a QB.
          No I disagree with you and agree with the OP, and I also love the Ducks.

          Akili Smith was a better prospect than Dixon is, as a QB, and so was Joey Harrington.
          Schwartz will probably have a nice long career as a solid backup or contributor, but Double D could easily never make it beyond a practice squad and then be in the Arena League or Canada within 2 years.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by ThePudge View Post
            BIG BOARD (4-13-08)

            1. Matt Ryan - QB - Boston College

            150. Arman Shields - WR - Richmond
            151. Owen Schmitt - FB - West Virginia
            152. Bruce Davis - OLB/DE - UCLA
            153. Marcus Henry - WR - Kansas
            154. Justin Harper - WR - Virginia Tech
            155. Keenan Burton - WR - Kentucky
            156. DeMario Pressley - DT - NC State
            157. Zack Bowman - CB - Nebraska
            158. Ezra Butler - OLB - Nevada
            159. Will Robinson - OT - San Diego State
            160. Shawn Murphy - OG - Utah State
            161. Andre Fluellen - DT - Florida State
            162. Jonathan Wilhite - CB - Auburn
            163. John Sullivan - C - Notre Dame
            164. Durrell Mapp - OLB - North Carolina
            165. Gary Barnidge - TE - Louisville
            166. Curtis Johnson - OLB/DE - Clark
            167. Chad Simpson - RB - Morgan State
            168. Durant Brooks - P - Georgia Tech
            169. Cory Boyd - RB - South Carolina
            170. David Vobora - OLB - Idaho
            171. Drew Radovich - OG - USC
            172. Spencer Larson - ILB - Arizona
            173. Jack Ikegwuonu - CB - Wisconsin
            174. Alvin Bowen - OLB - Iowa State
            175. Jacob Tamme - TE - Kentucky
            176. Peyton Hillis - FB - Arkansas
            177. Larry Grant - LB - Ohio State
            178. Jerome Felton - FB - Furman
            179. Bernard Morris - QB - Marshall
            180. Steve Slaton - RB - West Virginia
            181. Lamar Myles - OLB - Louisville
            182. Kory Lichtensteiger - C - Bowling Green
            183. Paul Hubbard - WR - Wisconsin
            184. Eric Young - OG - Tennessee
            185. Kirk Barton - OT/OG - Ohio State
            186. Corey Lynch - S - Appalachian State
            187. Kevin Robinson - WR - Utah State
            188. Trevor Scott - DE - Buffalo
            189. Mike Dragosavich - P - North Dakota State
            190. JoLonn Dunbar - LB - Boston College
            191. Steve Justice - C - Wake Forest
            192. Calton Powell - DT - Virginia Tech
            193. Jamar Adams - S - Michigan
            194. Taylor Mehlhaff - K - Wisconsin
            195. Mike Gibson - OG - California
            196. Steve Octavien - LB - Nebraska
            197. Chauncey Washington - RB - USC
            198. Jameel McClain - LB - Syracuse
            199. Joey Haynos - TE - Maryland
            200. Jamey Richard - C - Buffalo
            201. Colt Brennan - QB - Hawaii
            202. Thomas Williams - LB - USC
            203. Dorian Smith - DE - Oregon State
            204. J Leman - MLB - Illinois
            205. Pierre Garcon - WR - Mount Union
            206. Nick Hayden - DT - Wisconsin
            207. Dennis Dixon - QB - Oregon
            208. Tom Santi - TE - Virginia
            209. Jalen Parmele - RB - Toledo
            210. Dwight Lowery - CB - San Jose State
            211. Barry Booker - DT - Virginia Tech
            212. Erik Ainge - QB - Tennessee
            213. Wallace Gilberry - DE - Alabama
            214. Carl Stewart - FB - Auburn
            215. Justin Forsett - RB - California
            216. Brandon Keith - OT/OG
            217. Joe Jon Finley - TE - Oklahoma
            218. Marcus Thomas - RB - UTEP
            219. Robert Felton - OG - Arkansas
            220. Justin Tyron - CB - Arizona State
            221. Marcus Buggs - LB - Vanderbilt
            222. Curtis Gatewood - LB/DE - Vanderbilt
            223. Cody Wallace - C - Texas A&M
            224. Haruki Nakamura - S - Cincinnati
            225. Brandon Carr - CB - Grand Valley State
            226. Barry Richardson - OT - Clemson
            227. Matteral Richardson - CB - Arkansas
            :) 228. Steve Johnson - WR - Kentucky:)
            229. Simeon Castille - S/CB - Alabama
            230. Fernando Velasco - C - Georgia
            231. Mario Urrutia - WR - Louisville
            232. Paul Smith - QB - Tulsa
            233. Darrell Strong - TE - Pittsburgh
            234. Brandon Coutu - K - Georgia
            235. Craig Steltz - S - LSU
            236. Maurice Purify - WR - Nebraska
            237. Angelo Craig - OLB - Cincinnati
            238. Darnell Terrell - CB - Missouri
            239. Tom Zbikowski - S - Notre Dame
            240. Louis Holmes - DE - Arizona
            241. Sam Keller - QB - Nebraska
            242. Vincent Redd - DE/LB - Liberty
            243. Demetrius Bell - OT - Northwestern State
            244. Ryan Grice-Mullen - WR - Hawaii
            245. Tony Hills - OT - Texas
            246. Robert Jordan - WR - California
            247. Jason Shirley - DT - Fresno State
            248. Steve Allen - LB - West Texas A&M
            249. Anthony Hoke - OLB - Cincinnati
            250. Steven Hauschka - K - NC State
            251. Allen Patrick - RB - Oklahoma
            252. Jehuu Caulcrick - FB - Michigan State
            Great work chief.
            My disagreements are Matt Ryan #1. I think 3 and 5, and 7 years from now, having him rated #1 overall will look like when David Carr was #1 overall on some BPA boards, and Alex Smith, and even Ryan Leaf on some boards.

            Guys in red are guys 150 or lower on your list who I think will have fine careers and most of them will make people wonder why they weren't taken in round 2, or 3 at the latest.

            Steve Johnson 228 reminds me of Donald Driver at 213 in his draft 9 years ago.
            And I hate Notre Dame, but Zbikowksi is a way better football player than #239. He gets a bad rap because the Irish defense has been so horrible back there, but he's the only guy who made any plays, and he was expected to provide the key run support and people think any deep pass was his fault. Where were the corners and other safety?
            Zibby makes plays, sure he's not a lockdown cover guy, but neither is Roy Williams or Rodney Harrison, or even myself Atari Bigby.

            If Zibby goes rounds 6 or 7, it's a conspiracy and a steal!

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            • #7
              Originally posted by ThePudge View Post
              BIG BOARD (4-13-08)

              Just a rough draft of my Top 252 which will be finished with a couple days left until the draft. Everything on this list is subject to change, I'm simply laying down my foundation with a first draft. Some parts I felt good about, others not so good. By draft day it'll be the way I want it. Feel free to question anything, comment on anything.

              If your question concerns my stance on the top 6 players here, simply look in the "Number One Player" thread, where I have my explanation already. Enjoy!

              1. Matt Ryan - QB - Boston College - He may go this high but I would only rank him as the 8th best prospect in this year's draft.
              2. Jake Long - OT - Michigan
              3. Glenn Dorsey - DT - LSU - I still think with his injury history, I'd drop him to #7, JMO.
              4. Chris Long - DE/OLB - Virginia
              5. Darren McFadden - RB - Arkansas
              6. Vernon Gholston - DE/OLB - Ohio State - I think he is a top 5 prospect.
              7. Sedrick Ellis - DT - USC
              8. Ryan Clady - OT - Boise State - I believe that Albert has passed him as the #2 OT on the board.
              9. Rashard Mendenhall - RB - Illinois
              10. Branden Albert - OG/OT - Virginia
              11. Derrick Harvey - DE - Florida
              12. Keith Rivers - LB - USC
              13. Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie - CB - Tennessee State
              14. Chris Williams - OT - Vanderbilt - For me Williams is a bit over hyped, I don't think he ranks this high.
              15. Leodis McKelvin - CB - Troy
              16. Jerod Mayo - LB - Tennessee - A little high in my opinion
              17. Jeff Otah - OT - Pittsburgh - Williams should be here and Otah maybe around #20.
              18. Devin Thomas - WR - Michigan State
              19. Phillip Merling - DE - Clemson
              20. Limas Sweed - WR - Texas
              21. Jonathan Stewart - RB - Oregon
              22. Brian Brohm - QB - Louisville
              23. Quentin Groves - OLB/DE - Auburn - heart surgery will definately drop him to round 2.
              24. Trevor Laws - DT - Notre Dame - A bit over hyped, early round 2 in my opinion and behind Balmer who fits in around here.
              25. Aqib Talib - CB - Kansas
              26. Kenny Phillips - S - Miami - not a fan of!
              27. Mike Jenkins - CB - South Florida
              28. Dan Connor - LB - Penn State
              29. Gosder Cherilus - OT - Boston College
              30. James Hardy - WR - Indiana
              31. Calais Campbell - DE - Miami - only if a 3-4 team drafts him!
              32. DeSean Jackson - WR - California - I cannot see him going in round 1. JMO!
              33. Joe Flacco - QB - Delaware
              34. Brandon Flowers - CB - Virginia Tech
              35. Tyrell Johnson - S - Arkansas State
              36. Kentwan Balmer - DT - North Carolina
              37. Mario Manningham - WR - Michigan
              38. Curtis Lofton - ILB - Oklahoma
              39. Malcolm Kelly - WR - Oklahoma - too high for a guy that slow, late round 2 at best.
              40. Matt Forte - RB - Tulane
              41. Felix Jones - RB - Arkansas - this guys a 1st rounder IMO. Extremely quick 1st step will make him very effective in the NFL.
              42. Cliff Avril - OLB - Purdue - could be a surprise late 1st rounder
              43. Chilo Rachal - OG - USC - overrated in my opinion
              44. John Carlson - TE - Notre Dame
              45. Justin King - CB - Penn State - I think he could also sneak into late round 1 on physical ability alone.
              46. Dustin Keller - TE - Purdue - another possible 1st rounder
              47. Chad Henne - QB - Michigan
              48. Duane Brown - OT/OG - Virginia Tech - fast riser whose moving up, early 2nd rounder, has the athletic ability to play LT but needs some work.
              49. Anthony Collins - OT - Kansas
              50. Antoine Cason - CB - Arizona
              51. Tracy Porter - CB - Indiana
              52. Patrick Lee - CB - Auburn
              53. Erin Henderson - OLB - Maryland
              54. Jason Jones - DE - Eastern Michigan
              55. Chris Johnson - RB/WR - East Carolina
              56. Martellus Bennett - TE - Texas A&M
              57. Lawrence Jackson - DE - USC
              58. DaJuan Morgan - S - NC State should go higher than this
              59. Charles Godfrey - CB - Iowa
              60. Reggie Smith - S/CB - Oklahoma - still a serious candidaste for round 1 as a FS or a Cover 2 CB. Very average 40 time but solid for those 2 scenarios and he had one the quickest cone and short shuttle times of all the DB at the combine.
              61. Donnie Avery - WR - Houston - Early 2nd rounder IMO.
              62. Antwuan Molden - CB - Eastern Kentucky
              63. Sam Baker - OG/OT - USC
              64. Tyvon Branch - CB - Connecticut
              65. Pat Sims - DT - Auburn
              66. Fred Davis - TE - USC
              67. Andre Caldwell - WR - Florida
              68. Dre Moore - DT - Maryland - could go late 2nd round on potential alone and a lack of good DT's after Dorsey and Ellis.
              69. Tavares Gooden - OLB - Miami
              70. Jeremy Thompson - DE - Wake Forest
              71. Carl Nicks - OT - Nebraska
              72. Eddie Royal - WR - Virginia Tech
              73. Jerome Simpson - WR - Coastal Carolina
              74. Red Bryant - DT - Texas A&M
              75. Terrell Thomas - CB - USC
              76. Early Doucet - WR - LSU
              77. Phillip Wheeler - LB - Georgia Tech
              78. Ahtyba Rubin - DT - Iowa State
              79. Marcus Harrison - DT - Arkansas
              80. Earl Bennett - WR - Vanderbilt
              81. Andre Woodson - QB - Kentucky
              82. Brad Cottam - TE - Tennessee
              83. Xavier Adibi - OLB - Virginia Tech
              84. Ray Rice - RB - Rutgers - could sneak into round 2
              85. Chris Ellis - DE/OLB - Virginia Tech
              86. Jeremy Zuttah - C/OG - Rutgers
              87. Dexter Jackson - WR - Appalachian State
              88. Orlando Scandrick - CB - Boise State
              89. Oniel Cousins - OT/OG - UTEP
              90. Josh Johnson - QB - San Diego - too high in my opinion
              91. Chad Rinehart - OG/OT - Northern Iowa
              92. Will Franklin - WR - Missouri
              93. Kellen Davis - TE - Michigan State
              94. Jordy Nelson - WR - Kansas State
              95. Stanford Keglar - OLB - Purdue
              96. Jermichael Finley - TE - Texas
              97. Donald Thomas - OG - Connecticut
              98. Jamaal Charles - RB - Texas way too low, 2nd rounder for sure.
              99. Roy Schuening - OG - Oregon State - probably a 3rd rounder
              100. Geno Hayes - OLB - Florida State
              101. Darrell Robertson - DE - Georgia Tech
              102. Beau Bell - ILB/OLB - UNLV
              103. Frank Okam - DT - Texas
              104. Michael Grant - CB/S - Arkansas
              105. David Roach - S - TCU
              106. Josh Barrett - S - Arizona State
              107. Craig Stevens - TE - California
              108. Lavelle Hawkins - WR - California
              109. Mike Pollak - C - Arizona State very likely to be a 2nd rounder
              110. Tashard Choice - RB - Georgia Tech
              111. Thomas DeCoud - S - California
              112. Terrence Wheatley - CB - Colorado
              113. Kevin Smith - RB - Central Florida
              114. Shawn Crable - OLB - Michigan
              115. Mackenzy Bernadeau - OG - Bentley
              116. Ali Highsmith - LB - LSU - depends on the condition of his neck
              117. John Greco - OG/OT - Toledo
              118. Jonathan Goff - ILB - Vanderbilt
              119. Chevis Jackson - CB - LSU
              120. Marcus Monk - WR - Arkansas
              121. Brian Johnston - DE - Gardner-Webb
              122. Thomas Brown - RB - Georgia
              123. Kendall Langford - DE - Hampton
              124. Martin Rucker - TE - Missouri
              125. Bryan Smith - OLB/DE - McNeese State
              126. Gary Guyton - OLB - Georgia Tech
              127. Mike McGlynn - OG/OT - Pittsburgh too low, will someday be a starter in the NFL at OG
              128. Kevin O'Connell - QB - San Diego State
              129. Quintin Demps - S - UTEP
              130. John David Booty - QB - USC
              131. Jack Williams - CB - Kent State
              132. Kenny Iwebema - DE - Iowa
              133. Harry Douglas - WR - Louisville
              134. Josh Morgan - WR - Virginia Tech
              135. Jordan Dizon - OLB - Colorado
              136. King Dunlap - OT - Auburn
              137. Kerry Brown - OG - Appalachian State
              138. Bryan Kehl - OLB - BYU
              139. Adrian Arrington - WR - Michigan
              140. Marcus Howard - OLB/DE - Georgia
              141. Breno Giacomini - OT - Louisville
              142. Trae Williams - CB - South Florida
              143. Jacob Hester - FB - LSU
              144. Wesely Woodyard - OLB - Kentucky
              145. Marcus Smith - WR - New Mexico
              146. Keilen Dykes - DT/DE - West Virginia
              147. Geoff Schwartz - OT - Oregon
              148. Letroy Guion - DT - Florida State
              149. Chris Horton - S - UCLA
              150. Arman Shields - WR - Richmond
              151. Owen Schmitt - FB - West Virginia
              152. Bruce Davis - OLB/DE - UCLA
              153. Marcus Henry - WR - Kansas
              154. Justin Harper - WR - Virginia Tech
              155. Keenan Burton - WR - Kentucky
              156. DeMario Pressley - DT - NC State
              157. Zack Bowman - CB - Nebraska
              158. Ezra Butler - OLB - Nevada
              159. Will Robinson - OT - San Diego State
              160. Shawn Murphy - OG - Utah State
              161. Andre Fluellen - DT - Florida State
              162. Jonathan Wilhite - CB - Auburn
              163. John Sullivan - C - Notre Dame
              164. Durrell Mapp - OLB - North Carolina
              165. Gary Barnidge - TE - Louisville
              166. Curtis Johnson - OLB/DE - Clark
              167. Chad Simpson - RB - Morgan State
              168. Durant Brooks - P - Georgia Tech
              169. Cory Boyd - RB - South Carolina
              170. David Vobora - OLB - Idaho
              171. Drew Radovich - OG - USC
              172. Spencer Larson - ILB - Arizona
              173. Jack Ikegwuonu - CB - Wisconsin
              174. Alvin Bowen - OLB - Iowa State
              175. Jacob Tamme - TE - Kentucky
              176. Peyton Hillis - FB - Arkansas
              177. Larry Grant - LB - Ohio State
              178. Jerome Felton - FB - Furman
              179. Bernard Morris - QB - Marshall
              180. Steve Slaton - RB - West Virginia
              181. Lamar Myles - OLB - Louisville
              182. Kory Lichtensteiger - C - Bowling Green
              183. Paul Hubbard - WR - Wisconsin
              184. Eric Young - OG - Tennessee
              185. Kirk Barton - OT/OG - Ohio State
              186. Corey Lynch - S - Appalachian State
              187. Kevin Robinson - WR - Utah State
              188. Trevor Scott - DE - Buffalo
              189. Mike Dragosavich - P - North Dakota State
              190. JoLonn Dunbar - LB - Boston College
              191. Steve Justice - C - Wake Forest
              192. Calton Powell - DT - Virginia Tech
              193. Jamar Adams - S - Michigan
              194. Taylor Mehlhaff - K - Wisconsin
              195. Mike Gibson - OG - California
              196. Steve Octavien - LB - Nebraska
              197. Chauncey Washington - RB - USC
              198. Jameel McClain - LB - Syracuse
              199. Joey Haynos - TE - Maryland
              200. Jamey Richard - C - Buffalo
              201. Colt Brennan - QB - Hawaii
              202. Thomas Williams - LB - USC
              203. Dorian Smith - DE - Oregon State
              204. J Leman - MLB - Illinois
              205. Pierre Garcon - WR - Mount Union
              206. Nick Hayden - DT - Wisconsin
              207. Dennis Dixon - QB - Oregon
              208. Tom Santi - TE - Virginia
              209. Jalen Parmele - RB - Toledo
              210. Dwight Lowery - CB - San Jose State
              211. Barry Booker - DT - Virginia Tech
              212. Erik Ainge - QB - Tennessee
              213. Wallace Gilberry - DE - Alabama
              214. Carl Stewart - FB - Auburn
              215. Justin Forsett - RB - California
              216. Brandon Keith - OT/OG
              217. Joe Jon Finley - TE - Oklahoma
              218. Marcus Thomas - RB - UTEP
              219. Robert Felton - OG - Arkansas
              220. Justin Tyron - CB - Arizona State
              221. Marcus Buggs - LB - Vanderbilt
              222. Curtis Gatewood - LB/DE - Vanderbilt
              223. Cody Wallace - C - Texas A&M
              224. Haruki Nakamura - S - Cincinnati
              225. Brandon Carr - CB - Grand Valley State
              226. Barry Richardson - OT - Clemson
              227. Matteral Richardson - CB - Arkansas
              228. Steve Johnson - WR - Kentucky
              229. Simeon Castille - S/CB - Alabama
              230. Fernando Velasco - C - Georgia
              231. Mario Urrutia - WR - Louisville
              232. Paul Smith - QB - Tulsa
              233. Darrell Strong - TE - Pittsburgh
              234. Brandon Coutu - K - Georgia
              235. Craig Steltz - S - LSU
              236. Maurice Purify - WR - Nebraska
              237. Angelo Craig - OLB - Cincinnati
              238. Darnell Terrell - CB - Missouri
              239. Tom Zbikowski - S - Notre Dame
              240. Louis Holmes - DE - Arizona
              241. Sam Keller - QB - Nebraska
              242. Vincent Redd - DE/LB - Liberty
              243. Demetrius Bell - OT - Northwestern State
              244. Ryan Grice-Mullen - WR - Hawaii
              245. Tony Hills - OT - Texas
              246. Robert Jordan - WR - California
              247. Jason Shirley - DT - Fresno State
              248. Steve Allen - LB - West Texas A&M
              249. Anthony Hoke - OLB - Cincinnati
              250. Steven Hauschka - K - NC State
              251. Allen Patrick - RB - Oklahoma
              252. Jehuu Caulcrick - FB - Michigan State
              I hope it helps with your final rankings. Here's an article on the OL by Pat Kirwin which should help.
              http://www.nfl.com/draft/story?id=09...o&confirm=true
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              • #8
                Overall its a very solid list. I mean of course I disagree with a few of your rankings but I cant expect anything to be perfect. There's none that leave me really scratching my head. Very solid.

                I'll just judge the top 10 though. Matt Ryan is too high, I agree he will be good at the next level, but no. 1. I don't think so. I would have him at no. 7 on my list. D-Mac should at least be in the top 3 IMO. Here would be my list for the top 10.

                1. Glenn Dorsey DT LSU
                2. Darren McFadden RB Arkansas
                3. Chris Long DE Virginia
                4. Jake Long OT Michigan
                5. Vernon Gholston DE Ohio State
                6. Sedrick Ellis DT USC
                7. Matt Ryan QB BC
                8. Ryan Clady OT Boise St.
                9. Branden Albert OG/OT Virginia
                10. Rashard Mendenhall RB Illinois


                Still your list is very solid, but the top 10 needs a little rearranging IMO.
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                • #9
                  Matt Ryan as the #1 overall prospect in the entire draft? Wow! Props though for doing that extensive list


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                  • #10
                    Pudge, you've gotta be one of my top five favorite posters on here. Great work as always, well-deserved +rep.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by duckseason View Post
                      From an Oregon perspective, my main gripe would be Schwartz being rated higher than Dixon. It's tough to compare an OT to a QB, but there's no way in hell that Schwartz is a better OT prospect than Dixon is as a QB.
                      Dixon faces a more uphill battle than Schwartz. He is a scrambler, a passer better suited for a college spread offense, too thin, maybe a bit injury-prone now, and he is a bit of a one year wonder. Schwartz may make the easier transition to NFL Right Tackle where his size and strength give him some real upside on the right side.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Packman1957 View Post
                        I'll just judge the top 10 though. Matt Ryan is too high, I agree he will be good at the next level, but no. 1. I don't think so. I would have him at no. 7 on my list. D-Mac should at least be in the top 3 IMO. Here would be my list for the top 10.

                        1. Glenn Dorsey DT LSU
                        2. Darren McFadden RB Arkansas
                        3. Chris Long DE Virginia
                        4. Jake Long OT Michigan
                        5. Vernon Gholston DE Ohio State
                        6. Sedrick Ellis DT USC
                        7. Matt Ryan QB BC
                        8. Ryan Clady OT Boise St.
                        9. Branden Albert OG/OT Virginia
                        10. Rashard Mendenhall RB Illinois


                        Still your list is very solid, but the top 10 needs a little rearranging IMO.
                        When I quote this segment from Packman, I would like to add in all other names who question the Matt Ryan judgement call.

                        I have my reasons.

                        This draft really does not have any can't-miss prospects. It's better than the 05 draft at the top, and is a strong draft from the 2nd-5th Round or so, but the talent at the top in watered down. I'd rank several players from last year's class over Matt Ryan, who I have as the top player on my big board. This year I think it's more of a tier for the top player available. In that first tier we see...

                        a) Matt Ryan
                        b) Glenn Dorsey
                        c) Jake Long
                        d) Darren McFadden
                        e) Chris Long
                        f) Vernon Gholston
                        and Sedrick Ellis is the other prospect that receives consideration in that tier.

                        It's not so much that Ryan is earning the spot. He was not the best college player on the list, we all know that, and does not have the most upside on this list. To me, though, his lack of real bust potential, combined with his ability to potentially be a franchise passer, the league's most important and demanded position, gets him my vote.

                        Chris Long - Excellent football player, great character, very smart, athletic, versatile. However, Long may lack star potential. He will likely be converting to OLB in the NFL (if Miami picks him as expected), he could excel there, but it's still not his natural position, giving him a bit of risk factor. Long is one of the less physically talented players in that top tier.

                        Jake Long - Good left tackle prospect, dominant right tackle prospect. He is not, however, the typical franchise LT prospect. In fact, in a draft like this (deep in OT's), there are a couple more natural fits at LT to be had (Ryan Clady and Chris Williams for starters.) No Tackle prospect combines size with brute force, athleticism, and collegiate success quite like Long does though, separating. Long still isn't the type of prospect as Thomas, Ferguson, or Gallery before him, so it's hard for me to put him at #1. His questionable upside at LT in the NFL provides some doubt.

                        Glenn Dorsey - Probably the best college player on this list and the most rare prospect for his position. He is explosive, athletic, strong and smart, a lethal combination. He adds top-notch leadership skills to his athletic ability, forming a seemingly unreal prospect at DT. Stress fractures, however, don't disappear. Dorsey's aren't as serious as some would lead you to believe, but are an issue. Dorsey has a habit of getting nicked up and manning the trenches in the NFL will take a toll on Dorsey's body. At his position, with his injury problems, I'd be fairly surprised if he made it 10 years in the NFL. Should have an excellent career while it lasts.

                        Darren McFadden - Probably the prospect on this list with the most upside. McFadden, at 6'1 1/4 211 running a 4.33 40, is a freak physically, with unbelievable straight-line speed, playmaking ability, surprising power, and will go down in history as one of the SEC's greatest backs. There are a couple problems though that lead me to believe he's a better college player than he is a pro prospect. His upright running style paired with skinny legs leads many to believe he'll be injury prone or at least not be able to be a typical workhorse back at the next level. His character is a small cause for concern, as he is the only player on this list who doesn't exactly have a strong track record there.

                        Vernon Gholston - A tremendous athlete. At DE, Gholston combines speed and freakish athleticism with unbelievable strength and power. Inexperience and inconsistency hold back Gholston as he is still more of a workout warrior than football player at this point. He is a good player, and a smart kid, don't get me wrong, but he lacks the polish and technique of Chris Long.

                        Matt Ryan - My pick. All I hear is "19 Interception" blah blah blah. If Qb's were to be graded purely on stats, Colt Brennan would be an All-Pro before strapping on his helmet. Ryan had his fair share of mistakes, took his lumps and bruises, but kept on fighting during his college career. He never complained about a lack of elite talent around him, never complained about a patchwork OL that had players playing out of position or even about a defense that allowed 42 points to Maryland, 27 to Florida State, and 30 to Virginia Tech (Not exactly your Indianapolis Colts offenses). Ryan led a less talented team in the ACC to an 11-3 record and a bowl victory his senior season, while gaining the respect and love of his teammates. He often led the team single-handedly, putting them on his back and taking them for the ride. He's very smart, very tough, clutch, has all the heart in the world, is a great leader, and finally, brings the best out of those around him.

                        He may throw Int's, but make no mistake, he is the anti-Grossman. His confidence separates him from most QB prospects. His ability to perform when the pressure is on separates him. He has also shown that he can carry his team and win the big game. Most criticize his physical ability when they learn he is all there mentally, though I can't see why. At 6'4 7/8 228, Ryan has that prototype size, has a good arm, capable of putting plenty of zip on the ball and throws a decent deep ball (but can improve). He throws a tight spiral, has very good pocket presence, shows great escapability and is capable of throwing very well on the run. He can make plays when everything breaks down.

                        He has forced some passes, but has gradually improved at reading defenses. He's able to digest a playbook quickly and is smart enough to be penciled in as the starter for opnening day. Ryan has the mechanics and experience in a Pro-Style offense that a guy like Alex Smith didn't. He has the intangibles that JaMarcus Russell didn't. Has some negatives, he's not perfect, but his negatives are correctable and his positives. Not a perfect QB prospect, won't be Peyton Manning/Tom Brady, but is talented and smart enough to devlop into an upper echelon NFL QB.


                        Some will still defend Jake Long... For them, I have this...

                        Feet, athleticism, a bit more nimble, higher long-term upside are just a few reasons. Long is the most polished, but I don't see him as having franchise LT qualities. His run blocking is top-notch, best in this draft. His pass blocking is good but as I have said before I believe he may have a harder time adjusting to the speed of NFL DE's.

                        Robert Gallery, an excellent Tackle prospect in 2004 from the Big Ten never adjusted, even though he faced excellent pass rushers often in college as well. I simply realize that it's not an exact projection from college LT to NFL LT. Gallery failed. Joe Thomas, a more athletic player has worked out. Long may be a great Left Tackle, but I think it'll take a bit of time. He's probably at his best at Right Tackle or Left Tackle in a power rushing scheme like that of Miami, Atlanta, and Kansas City.

                        Clady and Williams (who I'm not a big fan of by the way) are likely more suitable for the LT position. I'm not saying they will be better, but athletically, they have a slight advantage. Long could be the league's top RT, or a good LT, but I don't see him as an elite prospect at Left Tackle.

                        I am a fan of Long's too, however I understand drafting an OT top 3 is not an exact science. As I said, I think Long is a franchise RT, someone who could play and go to the pro bowl for years, and a more than solid LT. However, I favor Ryan.

                        I see a potential franchise QB as more of a value than a franchise LT. I'm not saying Ryan will be a franchise Quarterback, but I'd give him similar chances to Long becoming a franchise Left Tackle. It comes down to simply QB > LT there for me. As I said, no problem with Long, as he is #2 on my Big Board behind Matt Ryan.

                        Throw those six names in a hat (Ryan, Dorsey, J. Long, C. Long, Gholston, and McFadden), close your eyes, and pick. They're all quite even in that top tier, it comes down to little personal beliefs, preferences, and technicalities.

                        What I am saying is I think there is an equal chance of Jake Long becoming a Pro Bowl Left Tackle to Matt Ryan becoming a Pro Bowl Quarterback. I'd simply rather have that quarterback, the position that offenses are built around, than the left tackle.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by AtariBigby View Post
                          Great work chief.
                          My disagreements are Matt Ryan #1. I think 3 and 5, and 7 years from now, having him rated #1 overall will look like when David Carr was #1 overall on some BPA boards, and Alex Smith, and even Ryan Leaf on some boards.

                          Guys in red are guys 150 or lower on your list who I think will have fine careers and most of them will make people wonder why they weren't taken in round 2, or 3 at the latest.

                          Steve Johnson 228 reminds me of Donald Driver at 213 in his draft 9 years ago.
                          And I hate Notre Dame, but Zbikowksi is a way better football player than #239. He gets a bad rap because the Irish defense has been so horrible back there, but he's the only guy who made any plays, and he was expected to provide the key run support and people think any deep pass was his fault. Where were the corners and other safety?
                          Zibby makes plays, sure he's not a lockdown cover guy, but neither is Roy Williams or Rodney Harrison, or even myself Atari Bigby.

                          If Zibby goes rounds 6 or 7, it's a conspiracy and a steal!
                          I'm not a Zbikowski guy really. A little too small and unathletic for my taste. I thought he would give a better showing than he did at the Combine. Also, the boxing thing scares me off as it's bound to take some attention away from the field. He's a high effort, high energy player though that could be a special teams demon though.

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                          • #14
                            Great list. Nice to see Matt Forte getting some love!

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Who Dat Nation View Post
                              Great list. Nice to see Matt Forte getting some love!
                              hah Anyone who knows me knows I think very highly of Matt Forte. Great prospect. If he weren't a one year wonder type, he'd have a very good shot at the first round.

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