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  • Draft Grades Thread

    So many threads about grading, and who did the best, etc. Let's put it all in one thread. The NFL Forum has one, but apparently no one has looked there.

    Here is my stuff:

    Here are all my grades:

    Every team upgraded, we don't know how these guys will work out. Therefore, I don't give less than C grades. So, take that for what it is worth. Later, I will include a list in order of best to worst.


    Arizona: B+

    I think Arizona stole DRC and filled a major hole. Afterwards, they made some nice value picks (Campbell, and Doucet,) and some picks to fit their team (Iwebema, Hightower). I'm still not sure if their value picks will fit in, like Campbell in the 3-4, as he would have to do a lot of work. Likewise, DE wasn't a MAJOR need and they had some holes elsewhere that may have been addressed earlier. Some good picks raise the grade, but leaving holes lowers it.


    1. DRC DB/Tennessee-State
    2. Calais Campbell DE/Miami
    3. Early Doucet WR/LSU
    4. Kenny Iwebema DE/Iowa
    5. Tim Hightower RB/Richmond
    6. Chris Harrington LB/Texas A&M
    7. Brandon Keith OT/Northern Iowa

    Atlanta: A-

    I like Atlanta's draft more than most. Atlanta needs instant franchise players, so trading up for Baker may be the best choice. If Ryan, Baker, and Turner turn out to be good players, they could have a powerful offense. I like the next picks as they are possible impact players for their system (Jackson, Lofton, and DeCoud). Harry Douglas could end up as a #2 WR even. Good all around draft with a lot of players who could make an impact


    1. Matt Ryan QB/Boston College
    1. Sam Baker OT/USC
    2. Curtis Lofton LB/Oklahoma
    3. Chevis Jackson CB/LSU
    3. Harry Douglas WR/Louisville
    3. Thomas DeCoud S/Cal
    5. Robert James LB/Arizona State
    5. Kroy Bierrmann LB/Montana
    6. Thomas Brown RB/Georgia
    7. Wilrey Fontenot CB/Arizona
    7. Keith Zinger TE/LSU

    Baltimore: B-

    Trading down, and losing value, then trading up, and losing value, just seemed a little extreme. True, they didn't know they could have ended up with Henne late 2nd, but even after Flacco, Ray Rice doesn't seem to me to instantly help this team. Zbikowski was a reach, and Gooden and Cousins may need some time. This team is in crisis, and they did okay in the 3rd, but not great at the beginning.


    1. Joe Flacco QB/Delaware
    2 . Ray Rice RB/Rutgers
    3. Tavares Gooden LB/Miami
    3. Tom Zbikowski S/Notre Dame
    3. Oniel Cousins OG/UTEP
    4. Marcus Smith WR/New Mexico
    4. David Hale OT/Weber State
    6. Haruki Nakamura S/Cincinnati
    7. Justin Harper WR/V-Tech
    7 . Allen Patrick RB/Oklahoma

    Buffalo: A

    One of my favorite drafts. McKelvin, Hardy and Ellis could all come in and start and filled some major holes. Though I'm not a huge fan of Corner and Fine, both have niches that may fit into Buffalo. I think Omon and Bell were great late rounders. Great draft.


    1. Leodis McKelvin CB/Troy
    2. James Hardy WR/Indiana
    3. Chris Ellis DE/Virginia Tech
    4. Reggie Corner CB/Akron
    4. Derek Fine TE/Kansas
    5. Alvin Bowen LB/Iowa State
    6. Xavier Omon RB/Northwest Missouri State
    7. Demetrius Bell OT/Northwestern State
    7. Steve Johnson WR/Kentucky
    7. Kenard Cox CB/Pitt

    Carolina: A-

    Stewart seems like more of luxury pick for a team that is on the downfall, but after that, I like Carolina's draft. People diss them for giving up a 1st next year, but next year is a light OT draft and Otah could be a future LT. Likewise, their 2nd day was incredible. Godfrey, Connor, Barnidge and Hayden all have the ability to be future starters or at least contributers. Even their 7th round offensive lineman were value picks.


    1. Jonathan Stewart RB/Oregon
    1. Jeff Otah OT/Pitt
    3. Charles Godfrey CB/Iowa
    3. Dan Connor LB/Penn State
    5. Gary Barnidge TE/Louisville
    6. Nick Hayden DT/Wisconsin
    7. Hilee Taylor LB/North Caroina
    7. Geoff Schwartz OL/Oregon
    7. Mackenzy Bernadeau OG/Bentley

    Chicago: A-

    I think Chicago's draft was very good. They believe in Rex, and now they give him the offensive pieces to do something. Chris Williams could become the best OT out of this draft. Matt Forte and Earl Bennett should fit the team well and contribute as rookies. Even there next four picks are guys who may have been undervalued and contribute in a few years with Harrison, Steltz, Bowman, and Davis. Good all-around.


    1. Chris Williams OT/Vanderbilt
    2. Matt Forte RB/Tulsa
    3. Earl Bennett WR/Vanderbilt
    3. Marcus Harrison DT/Arkansas
    4. Craig Steltz S/LSU
    5. Zack Bowman CB/Nebraska
    5. Kellen Davis TE/MSU
    7. Ervin Baldwin DE/Michigan State
    7. Chester Adams OG/Georgia
    7. Joey LaRocque LB/Oregon State
    7. Kirk Barton OT/Ohio State
    7. Marcus Monk WR/Arkansas

    Cincinnati: B-

    Once again, this draft should have been ALL high character guys. Rivers is solid, but their lack of a GM may have made them give up Sedrick Ellis. They also passed up some better WRs for Jerome Simpson, a guy who probably can't come in and impact as a rookie, but may develop into a star. Sims was a VERY low character guy who quit his team at Auburn before coming back. I like Caldwell as a player as well as Collins, but then Jason Shirley was caught drunk driving twice, and was kicked off the team for other things. This is the type of guy who may cause problems and give you bad press while giving little in return. Mike Brown, stop picking low character guys and you'll do better in the public eye.


    1. Keith Rivers LB/USC
    2. Jerome Simpson WR/Coastal Carolina
    3. Pat Sims DT/Auburn
    3. Andre Caldwell WR/Florida
    4. Anthony Collins OT/Kansas
    5. Jason Shirley DT/Fresno State
    6. Corey Lynch FS/Appalachian State
    7. Angelo Craig DE/Cincinnati
    7. Mario Urrutia WR/Louisville

    Cleveland: A-

    Cleveland had no first day, but looking at Quinn, Smith, and Rogers, you see three impact guys, so good job there. Beau Bell fits in VERY well, and Martin Rucker can be an extra weapon that could cause problems. I think Rubin was a still as a back-up NT, so overall, very good, but not sure if trading more was what they should have done instead of letting guys fall to them and keep some picks.


    4. Beau Bell LB/UNLV
    4. Martin Rucker TE/Missouri
    6. Ahtyba Rubin DT/Iowa State
    6. Paul Hubard WR/Wisconsin
    7. Alex Hall DE/St. Augustine

    Dallas: B+

    Felix Jones was who they wanted and he fits in. Jenkins was an absolute steal and their later choices in Bennett, Choice and Scandrick were solid. It seems they just wanted to sure up two positions in RB and CB. The lack of addressing anything else really (Except #2 TE) hurts their grade/


    1. Felix Jones RB/Arkansas
    1. Mike Jenkins CB/USF
    2. Martellus Bennett TE/Texas A&M
    4. Tashard Choice RB/Georgia Tech
    5. Orlando Scandrick CB/Boise State
    6. Erick Walden DE/Middle Tennessee

    Denver: B

    I think Denver did solid. Ryan Clady could become the best O-lineman in this system ever with his tools and how he fits. Eddie Royal is a return specialist, and they needed some WR who can come in and play. The rest of the picks feel like a bunch of reserves and no one other than maybe Hillis who will ever make a giant impact.


    1. Ryan Clady OT/Boise State
    2. Eddie Royal WR/Virginia Tech
    4. Kory Lichtensteiger OG/Bowling Green
    4. Jack Williams CB/Kent State
    5. Ryan Torain RB/Arizona State
    5. Carlton Powell DT/Virginia Tech
    6. Spencer Larsen OLB/Arizona
    7. Josh Barrett S/Arizona State
    7. Peyton Hills FB/Arkansas

    Detroit: B+

    I think Gosder could man that right side for some time, and Jordan Dizon, though being based, was a guy most teams had penned in the second round (myself to Indianapolis). He has a high motor and fits the system perfectly. Their second day picks were great and guys who have some guys who may start in a few years. Kevin Smith, Andre Fluellen and Cliff avril were all good value picks and guys who can find their niche in this system. They also get possibly the best FB in Felton in this draft. Second day helps them, but a solid draft overall.


    1. Gosder Cherilus OT/Boston College
    2. Jordan Dizon LB/Colorado
    3. Kevin Smith RB/UCF
    3. Andre Fluellen DT/Florida State
    3. Cliff Avril LB/Purdue
    5. Kenneth Moore WR/Wake Forest
    5. Jerome Felton FB/Furman
    7. Landon Cohen DE/Ohio
    7. Caleb Campbell S/Army

    Green Bay: B-

    I'm just not understanding overall. They drafted Jordy Nelson at WR, a position that wasn't needed especially with Jones coming on last year. Brohm is a solid pick, great value, but you still have holes in the secondary OLB, and O-line, so why not trade out? I do love the Patrick Lee pick in the Late 2nd, and he may come in as a nickel immediately. I loved their later round picks, and that kept them from one of the worst grades.


    2. Jordy Nelson WR/Kansas State
    2. Brian Brohm QB/Louisville
    2. Patrick Lee CB/Auburn
    3. Jermichael Finley TE/Texas
    4. Jeremy Thompson DE/Wake Forest
    4. Josh Sitton OT/UCF
    5. Bren Fiacomini OT/Louisville
    7. Matt Flynn QB/LSU
    7. Brett Swain WR/San Diego State

    Houston: A-

    Great draft for this team and this system. Brown is the LT they have always needed, and it really allows them to shake up their O-line. It may take a few years, but they can use Spencer for now. Molden is a solid corner who would really compliment Dunta. Slaton fits perfectly. Once again, he'll be a 3rd down back to start, but he will come in soon and could blow up in the ZBS. Adibi and Okam were TREMENDOUS picks who may start if they prove themselves. Okam was well worth a 5th rounder, since if he raises his motor, he could be a star. Overall, it could take 3 years to see the impact, but this was a great draft.


    1. Duane Brown OT/V-Tech
    3. Antwaun Molden CB/Eastern Kentucky
    3. Steve Slaton RB/West Virginia
    4. Xavier Adibi LB/V-Tech
    5. Frank Okam DT/Texas
    6. Dominique Barber FS/Minnesota
    7. Alex Brink QB/Washington State

    Indianapolis: B

    Indy's draft was just mediocre. Pollak was an alright pick, something they can use at guard or center, and I like the Wheeler pick as well. The rest of their picks were more centers/guards and another TEs and a LB. Some guys I like, for instance Tamme, Howard and Santi. But, they didn't address back-up RB or WR early, and instead end up with Hart and Garcon, two guys who may never play a down. Eh.


    2. Mike Pollak OT/Arizona State
    3. Phillip Wheeler LB/Georgia Tech
    4. Jacob Tamme TE/Kentucky
    5. Marcus Howard LB/Georgia
    6. Tom Santi TE/Virginia
    6. Steve Justice C/Wake Forest
    6. Mike Hart RB/Michigan
    6. Pierre Garcon WR/Mount Union
    7. Jamey Richard OL/Buffalo

    Jacksonville: C+

    I didn't like the choices Jacksonville made. You trade up a MAJOR amount for Harvey, and then draft another pass-rusher the pick after! I still don't think that Jacksonville's passing game or secondary is where it needs to be, and neither were addressed early. They also never got any O-line depth. They filled their major need, but if injuries happen next year, this draft won't do you any favors.


    1. Derrick Harvey DE/Florida
    2. Quentin Groves DE/Auburn
    5. Thomas Williams LB/USC
    5. Trae Williams CB/USF
    6. Chauncey Washington RB/USC

    Kansas City: A

    The best draft easily. Most everyone agrees, but I think KC could come out of this draft with 7 starters. Dorsey and Albert, two of the best players in the draft at two of the most important positions. Flowers was a steal in the 2nd as well. Charles is a great player who fell and they can groom and bring in since LJ seems a bit run-down. Cottam fits in KC very well and can replace Gonzo. Finally, I like Franklin and Richardson as possible developmental starter. They also got a returner in Kevin Robinson who reminds me of Dante Hall. GREAT draft.


    1. Glenn Dorsey DT/LSU
    1. Branden Albert OG/Virginia
    2 . Brandon Flowers CB/V-Tech
    3. Jamaal Charles RB/Texas
    3. Brad Cottam TE/Tennessee
    4. William Franklin WR/Missouri
    5. Brandon Carr CB/Grand Valley
    6. Barry Richardson OT/Clemson
    6. Kevin Robinson WR/Utah State
    7. Brian Johnston DE/Gardner-Webb
    7. Mike Merritt TE/Central Florida

    Miami: A-

    Having the #1 pick can't hurt much. They got Jake Long. They traded for Fasano and Ayodele, two guys Bill and Sparano like. Merling, if he can find his place in the defense, could be a difference maker. I've also gone on record to say that Chad Henne could be the best QB to come out of this draft. I also really like Langford and Parmele on the Dolphins. Great draft by the team overall.


    1. Jake Long OT/Michigan
    2. Phillip Merling DE/Clemson
    2. Chad Henne QB/Michigan
    3. Kendall Langford DL/Hampton
    4. Shawn Murphy OT/Utah State
    6. Jalen Parmele RB/Toledo
    6. Donald Thomas OG/Uconn
    6. Lex Hilliard RB/Montana
    7. Lionel Dotson DL/Arizona

    Minnesota: A-

    I think Jared Allen was very good value and will fix Minnesota's biggest needs. Then, they traded up for another possible hole to get Tyrell Johnson who can replace Darren Sharper soon. Finally, they address two more depth issues in John David Booty and Letroy Guion. Booty WILL be a starter in this league and was a nice pick. Finally, Jaymar Johnson is a developmental WR. This team will be running to victory, but their defense looks VERY nasty now.


    2. Tyrell Johnson S/Arkansas State
    5. John David Booty QB/USC
    5. Letroy Guion DT/Florida State
    6. John Sullivan C/Notre Dame
    6. Jaymar Johnson WR/Jackson State

    New England: B

    You can't criticize how this team drafts, but just on the surface, it looks just okay. Mayo was a little early, but an excellent fit. Wheatley was a reach, but he may be a star in this system. I don't like Crable in the 3-4 myself, but Kevin O'Connell is VERY similar to Tom Brady and this guy may learn a lot. They got the guys they wanted, and that gives them a solid B.


    1. Jerod Mayo LB/Tennessee
    2. Terrence Wheatley CB/Colorado
    3. Shawn Crable LB/Michigan
    3. Kevin O’Connell QB/San Diego State
    4. Jonathan Wilhite CB/Auburn
    5. Matt Slater WR/UCLA
    6. Bo Ruud LB/Nebraska

    New Orleans: A

    My third favorite draft. Ellis and Porter are instant impact players that can mend the major defensive woes. How bad was NO at DT? They needed another and got a steal in Pressley in the 5th. I also like Nicks as a developmental OT, and Mehlhaff was the best kicker in this draft. Arrington also drafted in the same position as Marques Colston. I can't argue any of these picks.


    1. Sedrick Ellis DT/USC
    2. Tracy Porter CB/Indiana
    5. DeMario Pressley DT/NC State
    5. Carl Nicks OT/Nebraska
    6. Taylor Mehlhaff K/Wisconsin
    7. Adrian Arrington WR/Michigan

    New York Giants: B+

    Once again, you can't question a Jerry Reese, and I think NYG did okay. Phillips fills a major need. I think Thomas was a slight reach, but he could definitely be an excellent player. Manningham doesn't really seem needed, especially with so many WRs coming out the woodwork, but we'll see if the Giants can work with him. They traded up for Kehl, and Goff and Woodson were steals. Good overall, but nothing mind-blowing.


    1. Kenny Phillips S/Miami
    2. Terrell Thomas CB/USC
    3. Mario Manningham WR/Michigan
    4. Bryan Kehl LB/BYU
    5. Jonathan Goff LB/Vanderbilt
    6. Andre Woodson QB/Kentucky
    6. Robert Henderson DE/Southern Miss

    New York Jets: B+

    The Jets filled their major needs in the first with Gholston and a pass-catcher in Keller. Lowery makes sense to me as well, and Ainge seems a bit too similar to the QBs they already have. I do love the Henry pick late. Another solid draft, but nothing great.


    1. Vernon Gholston DE/Ohio State
    1. Dustin Keller TE/Purdue
    4. Dwight Lowery CB/San Jose State
    5. Erik Ainge QB/Tennessee
    6. Marcus Henry WR/Kansas
    7. Nate Garner OT/Arkansas

    Oakland: B-

    DMac wasn't a need, but could be the best guy in this draft. They trade Fabian Washington to replace him with Tyvon Branch? Eh. Arman Shields and Chaz don't excite me. Scott is a wildcard. Not horrible since Branch was good value, and DMac is a difference maker, but this run defense will still be horrendous.


    1. Darren McFadden RB/Arkansas
    4. Tyvon Branch CB/Uconn
    4. Arman Shields WR/Richmond
    6. Trevor Scott DE/Buffalo
    7. Chaz Schilens WR/Miami


    Philadelphia: B

    Getting an extra first round pick bumps this out automatically. Trevor Laws is ANOTHER trench player Andy Reid grabs. Jackson was good value, but we'll see how he fits into the offense. I like McGlynn and Demps pick, but Smith was a reach. Okay draft, but it should set them up well for next year.


    2. Trevor Laws DT/Notre Dame
    2. DeSean Jackson WR/Cal
    3. Bryan Smith LB/McNeese State
    4. Mike McGlynn OT/Pitt
    4. Quintin Demps FS/UTEP
    6. Mike Gibson OT/Cal
    6. Joe Mays LB/North Dakota State
    6. Andy Studebaker LB/Wheaton
    7. King Dunlap OT/Auburn

    Pittsburgh: B+

    I think Pittsburgh did well with value, not with need. Mendenhall and Sweed were high value picks, but it still left their trenches open. Davis fits well, though not a need, and Tony Hills is a solid back-up player. Very good draft with value, but not a Top 3 draft.


    1. Rashard Mendenhall RB/Illinois
    2. Limas Sweed WR/Texas
    3. Bruce Davis LB/UCLA
    4. Tony Hills OT/Texas
    5. Dennis Dixon QB/Oregon
    6. Mike Humpal LB/Iowa
    6. Ryan Mundy S/West Virginia

    San Diego: B-

    The Chargers didn't have much to work with, so the grade can't be too high. I love Antoine Cason and he should compliment Cromartie VERY well. Trading up for Hester was NOT a good decision unless they think he can play RB well, but they didn't have the picks to trade. the rest of their draft was mediocre at best.


    1. Antoine Cason
    3. Jacob Hester
    5. Marcus Thomas RB/UTEP
    6. DeJuan Tribble CB/Boston College
    7. Corey Clark OT/Texas A&M

    San Francisco: B+

    I think San Fran had a typical draft. Got some value and took some guys who fit. Balmer helps them at DE if Smith doesn't fit. Chilo and Reggie Smith were good value picks that can instantly help San Francisco. The rest of their picks were nothing great. Good draft.


    1. Kentwan Balmer DE/North Carolina
    2. Chilo Rachal OG/USC
    3. Reggie Smith DB/Oklahoma
    4. Cody Wallace OL/Texas A&M
    6. Josh Morgan WR/Virginia Tech
    7. Larry Grant LB/Ohio State

    Seattle: C+

    I just don't understand taking another DE. As much as I like Lawrence Jackson, Seattle has offensive holes. They take a good blocking TE in Carlson. I don't see how Bryant and the two Schmitt's really help this team, so I think Seattle may finally lose the division.


    1. Lawrence Jackson DE/USC
    2. John Carlson TE/Notre Dame
    4. Red Bryant DT/Texas A&M
    5. Owen Schmitt FB/West Virginia
    6. Tyler Schmitt LS/San Diego State
    7. Justin Forsett RB/Cal
    7. Brandon Coutu K/Georgia

    St. Louis: B+

    I like what St. Louis did more than most. Chris Long is an instant impact guy. Avery, though some people say reach, he compliments Holt and Bennett very very well. Greco and King were value picks who could be stars in a few years. Even Burtin and Schuening were value picks who will contribute. Good draft.


    1. Chris Long DE/Virginia
    2. Donnie Avery WR/Houston
    3. John Greco OT/Toledo
    4. Justin King CB/Penn State
    4. Keenan Burton WR/Kentucky
    5. Roy Schuening OG/Oregon State
    7. Chris Chamberlain DB/Tulsa
    7. David Vobora LB/Idaho

    Tampa Bay: B-

    I wasn't thrilled with Tampa's draft. I like Talib as a player, and they never back down from chancing on guys. Dexter Jackson is a Gruden player but WAY tio early. I'm not a huge fan of Zuttah, but the Moore, Johnson, Hayes, and Boyd picks were good. I think Jenkins fit TB better in the first, so I knock it down a little more to a B-, but this draft MAY work out well for them.


    1. Aqib Talib CB/Kansas
    2. Dexter Jackson WR/Appalachian State
    3. Jeremy Zuttah OG/Rutgers
    4. Dre Moore DT/Maryland
    5. Josh Johnson QB/San Diego
    6. Geno Hayes ILB/Florida State
    7. Cory Boyd RB/South Carolina

    Tennessee Titans: C+

    I'm not sure what Tennessee is trying to do. As much as I like Chris Johnson (and think he is a MUCH better version of Chris Henry,) he wasn't needed for their first round pick. Jason Jones was a good pick-up in the 2nd and can help the defensive line. But past that, nothing that I love. Hayes and Kegler were pretty poor picks. Stevens was alright in the 3rd, but nothing special. Just a sub-par draft overall.


    1. Chris Johnson RB/East Carolina
    2. Jason Jones DE/Eastern Michigan
    3. Craig Stevens TE/Cal
    4. William Hayes DE/Winston-Salem
    4. Stanford Kegler LB/Pudeu
    7. Cary Williams CB/Washburn

    Washington Redskins: A-

    I liked this Redskins draft. Though many may not, they need a more explosive offense to fit Zorn. Zorn grabbed value guys who fit his system and this offense will compete with the defenses in the NFC East. Devin Thomas, Fred Davis, and Malcolm Kelly all will fit in and set-up a GREAT passing game in a few years. I like Rinehart and Tryon pretty well. Likewise, they grabbed Colt Brennan who fits in perfectly and can be a great back-up. Overall, very good draft in my opinion.


    2. Devin Thomas WR/Michigan State
    2. Malcolm Kelly WR/Oklhoma
    2. Fred Davis TE/USC
    3. Chad Rinehart OT/Northern Iowa
    4. Justin Tryon CB/Arizona State
    6. Durant Brooks P/Georgia Tech
    6. Kareem Moore DB/Nicholls State
    6. Colt Brennan QB/Hawaii
    7. Rob Jackson DE/Kansas State
    7. Chris Horton FS/UCLA


    1. Kansas City: A
    2. Buffalo: A
    3. New Orleans: A
    4. Miami: A-
    5. Minnesota: A-
    6. Cleveland: A-
    7. Carolina: A-
    8. Houston: A-
    9. Chicago: A-
    10. Washington: A-
    11. Atlanta: A-
    12. Pittsburgh: B+
    13. New York Giants: B+
    14. Arizona: B+
    15. Dallas: B+
    16. St. Louis: B+
    17. New York Jets: B+
    18. San Francisco: B+
    19. Detroit: B+
    20. Philadelphia: B
    21. Denver: B
    22. New England: B
    23. Indianapolis: B
    24. Tampa Bay: B-
    25. Cincinnati: B-
    26. Baltimore: B-
    27. Green Bay: B-
    28. San Diego: B-
    29. Oakland: B-
    30. Jacksonville: C+
    31. Seattle: C+
    32. Tennessee: C+


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  • #2
    Jacksonville gave up two thirds and fourth to move UP 18 spots...how is that giving up a MAJOR amount?

    Harvey was likely going to be picked by cinncy at #9 and they couldn't risk letting Harvey fall...they made a play...they also got Trae Williams in the 5th round...alot of time at USF Williams was outplaying Jenkins...

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    • #3
      Originally posted by JagHombre22 View Post
      Jacksonville gave up two thirds and fourth to move UP 18 spots...how is that giving up a MAJOR amount?

      Harvey was likely going to be picked by cinncy at #9 and they couldn't risk letting Harvey fall...they made a play...they also got Trae Williams in the 5th round...alot of time at USF Williams was outplaying Jenkins...
      I don't know how much Trae translates, but it was a good pick.

      I think Jacksonville just needed a lot of depth, so you're giving up three solid players for a guy who isn't always that dominant. Harvey has some physical tools, but big OTs will take him out of plays easily. I don't like giving up picks unless the guy perfectly fits ya and you need him. And the truth is, Harvey may have been a bit overrated by draft day.


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      • #4

        San Diego Chargers
        - C+


        Chargers drafted Cason our secondary is gonna be beast next year, it was already best secondary in the league last year and it only got better. Jacob Hester it was a reach but hes a nice strong runningback/fullback that will compliment LT, another CB to fill depth, another runningback i guess to fill depth, and a OT a much needed OT too.

        i was worried about AJ drafting 2 runningbacks but now that i look at it AJ was great with picking out runningbacks, back when we drafted LT, turner, and sproles, AJ was our assistant GM and and all help get those runningbacks all turned out to be some good runningbacks, and some great.

        Only thing that disappointed me was well i kinda wanted kenny phillips 1st round but cant complain with a guy like cason added to the secondary and another i wish we wouldve gotten a OT when we traded for that 3rd round cause we lost our starter and we now have a walk on starter with a Rookie OT.

        Everybody that AJ drafted we are going to sign so thats the good thing about it.

        Overall grade of our draft i give us a C+ to B-


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        • #5
          Originally posted by JBond93 View Post
          I don't know how much Trae translates, but it was a good pick.

          I think Jacksonville just needed a lot of depth, so you're giving up three solid players for a guy who isn't always that dominant. Harvey has some physical tools, but big OTs will take him out of plays easily. I don't like giving up picks unless the guy perfectly fits ya and you need him. And the truth is, Harvey may have been a bit overrated by draft day.
          fair enough....

          Harvey can bulk up though....I expect him to

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          • #6
            Bulking up is fine, but does he have the consistent motor needed to be an impact DE in the NFL?

            It's the same thing with Gholston. Lack of consistency. Tools are there, talent is there, upside is there...But not consistent production. With Harvey's talent he should have been a lot more productive than he was.


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            • #7
              Originally posted by sweetness34 View Post
              Bulking up is fine, but does he have the consistent motor needed to be an impact DE in the NFL?

              It's the same thing with Gholston. Lack of consistency. Tools are there, talent is there, upside is there...But not consistent production. With Harvey's talent he should have been a lot more productive than he was.
              He was a lot more productive with good players on the line with him...Jarvis Moss, Marcus Thomas....I think on the Jaguars Dline he will do fine...

              still, 20 sacks in two seasons is damn good...

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              • #8
                1. Matt Ryan QB/Boston College
                1. Sam Baker OT/USC
                2. Curtis Lofton LB/Oklahoma
                3. Chevis Jackson CB/LSU
                3. Harry Douglas WR/Louisville
                3. Thomas DeCoud S/Cal
                5. Robert James LB/Arizona State
                5. Kroy Bierrmann LB/Montana
                6. Thomas Brown RB/Georgia
                7. Wilrey Fontenot CB/Arizona
                7. Keith Zinger TE/LSU

                Matt Ryan will fill the void Michael Vick left at QB, all the intagibles to be a great one in this league, although is arm strength on the deep ball is questionable. Sam Baker seems like he may have been overdrafted, but due to the LT run going down we had no choice but to trade up and find a big boy to protect Ryan. Curtis Lofton was a great pick in the 2nd, he will immediately contribute and allow Brooking to move back to his natural position, I see him as a DeMeco Ryans type player.

                Chevis Jackson is a tough, physical corner, perfect for the Cover 2 defense we intend to run. Harry Douglas has potential and looks the part as a slot reciever. Thomas DeCoud looks like a special-teams standout and hopefully can transfer that ability over to the safety position. Robert James and Biermann will both be special teams players and are intruiging, especially Biermann. (check out his youtube video) Thomas Brown looks like a steal in the fifth, reminds me of Warrick Dunn, doesn't have to elusiveness and not as good a reciever, but much stronger and has some return ability. Not sure about Fontenot and Zinger.

                I'll give this a B+.

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                • #9
                  Perfect description of the 49ers draft

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                  • #10
                    Sam Baker is going to get eaten up at LT if they put him there. He's either a RT or a LG.


                    Another sig courtesy of BoneKrusher

                    Originally posted by JBCX
                    Despite looking better against an underachieving Eagles team, I still think the Bears are one of the worst teams in the NFL. I smell a blowout victory by the Lions this week and a division sweep.

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                    • #11
                      i think you have giants pretty much in the right area, maybe a little lower than a B+. They did very good for a team picking last.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by JagHombre22 View Post
                        He was a lot more productive with good players on the line with him...Jarvis Moss, Marcus Thomas....I think on the Jaguars Dline he will do fine...

                        still, 20 sacks in two seasons is damn good...
                        Will Davis had 9.5 and was banged up a bit last year. Harvey averages out to 10 a year and for a so called "elite pass rusher" I think that's underachieving. Plus he got swallowed up in the run game.

                        He's a rare talent, no doubt but I want to see more production and more consistent effort out of him. He's a definite bust possibility, much like Gholston.


                        Another sig courtesy of BoneKrusher

                        Originally posted by JBCX
                        Despite looking better against an underachieving Eagles team, I still think the Bears are one of the worst teams in the NFL. I smell a blowout victory by the Lions this week and a division sweep.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by sweetness34 View Post
                          Will Davis had 9.5 and was banged up a bit last year. Harvey averages out to 10 a year and for a so called "elite pass rusher" I think that's underachieving. Plus he got swallowed up in the run game.

                          He's a rare talent, no doubt but I want to see more production and more consistent effort out of him. He's a definite bust possibility, much like Gholston.
                          Oh, I agree...but with John Henderson, Reggie Hayward and Quentin Groves mixing it up....I think he will be fine....

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                          • #14
                            Nice job JBond. I would rep you but you havent repped me ever.
                            my scent?...like making love to a lumberjack
                            <TACKLE> i will ngata give you a bj raji
                            <+BOE> Scott, with Burfict's character concerns (whether legit or not) you think Pioli would draft him. :D
                            <+ScottWright> Why not. Baldwin does need a sparring partner...
                            Originally posted by Hermstheman83
                            What's with the hate on Ricky Stanzi? Those youtube clips of him with the hulk hogan theme music instantly make him better than Luck.

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                            • #15
                              Pat Sims left the team because his sister died. I'd say that hardly makes him a low character guy, much less a VERY low character guy. With Shirley you may have a point though.

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                              #15
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