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    Another lengthy post here, take your time. Some big movers in my positional rankings and Big Board. The Board, as you will see, expanded to 255 (the number of picks in the draft.) It was tough, I am pretty happy with it. I'm satisfied with everything for now. Feel free to disagree, just let me know why. NFL teams all have different boards, I understand there can be disagreements with neither side as fact. I will not speak like my word is fact, please try to stay open-minded, I have found the closed-minded people look like the biggest idiots on draft day (I used to fall into that category.) Ask questions, make comments, all feedback is appreciated. As always, Enjoy!


    Mid-March Player Rankings

    OFFENSE

    Quarterbacks
    1. Matthew Stafford – Georgia – Top 5
    2. Mark Sanchez – USC – Top 15
    3. Josh Freeman – Kansas State – Mid 1st-Early 2nd
    4. Pat White – West Virginia – Mid 2nd-Mid 3rd (WR)*
    5. Rhett Bomar – Sam Houston State – Late 3rd-Late 4th
    6. Stephen McGee – Texas A&M – Early 4th-Early 5th
    7. Nate Davis – Ball State – Mid 4th-Mid 5th
    8. Curtis Painter – Purdue – Early 5th-Early 6th
    9. Hunter Cantwell – Lousiville – Early 5th-Mid 6th
    10. John Parker Wilson – Alabama – Mid 5th-Early 7th
    11. Jason Boltus – Hartwick – Late 5th-Mid 7th
    12. Cullen Harper – Clemson – Early 6th-Mid 7th
    13. Mike Reilly – Central Washington – Early 6th-Late 7th
    14. Tom Brandstater – Fresno State – Early 6th-UDFA
    15. Drew Willy – Buffalo – Late 6th-UDFA
    16. Nathan Brown – Central Arkansas – 7th Round-UDFA
    17. Graham Harrell – Texas Tech – 7th Round-UDFA
    18. Mike Teel – Rutgers – UDFA
    19. Rudy Carpenter – Arizona State – UDFA
    20. Chris Crane – Boston College – UDFA
    21. Willie Tuitama – Arizona – UDFA
    22. David Johnson – Tulsa – UDFA
    23. Chris Pizzoti – Harvard - UDFA
    24. Chase Daniel – Missouri – UDFA
    25. Billy Malone – Abilene Christian - UDFA


    Running Backs
    1. Chris “Beanie” Wells – Ohio State – Top 15
    2. Knowshon Moreno – Georgia – Top 25
    3. LeSean McCoy – Pittsburgh – Late 1st-Mid 2nd
    4. Donald Brown – Connecticut – Late 1st-Mid 2nd
    5. Andre Brown – North Carolina State – Mid 2nd-Early 3rd
    6. Rashad Jennings – Liberty – Late 2nd-Early 4th
    7. Shonn Greene – Iowa – Third Round
    8. Mike Goodson – Texas A&M – Early 3rd-Early 4th
    9. Devin Moore – Wyoming – Mid 3rd-Mid 4th
    10. Bernard Scott – Abilene Christian – Early 4th-Mid 5th
    11. Kory Sheets – Purdue – Late 3rd-Early 5th
    12. Javon Ringer – Michigan State – Late 3rd-Early 5th
    13. James Davis – Clemson – Early 4th-Early 5th
    14. Cedric Peerman – Virginia – Mid 4th-Mid 5th
    15. Glen Coffee – Alabama – Late 4th-Late 5th
    16. Ian Johnson – Boise State – Mid 5th-Late 6th
    17. Jeremiah Johnson – Oregon – Mid 5th-Late 6th
    18. Javarris Williams – Tennessee State – Late 5th-Mid 7th
    19. Marlon Lucky – Nebraska – Mid 6th-UDFA
    20. Arian Foster – Tennessee – Mid 6th-UDFA
    21. Aaron Brown – TCU – Late 6th-UDFA
    22. Tyrell Sutton – Northwestern – 7th Round-UDFA
    23. Keegan Herring – Arizona State – 7th Round-UDFA
    24. P.J. Hill – Wisconsin – 7th Round-UDFA
    25. Gartrell Johnson – Colorado State – UDFA


    Fullbacks
    1. Quinn Johnson – LSU – Mid 4th-Late 5th
    2. Tony Fiammetta – Syracuse – Mid 4th-Late 5th
    3. Brannan Southerland – Georgia – Late 4th-Late 5th
    4. Brock Bolen – Louisville – Early 6th-Mid 7th
    5. Eddie Williams – Idaho – Mid 6th-UDFA
    6. Jason Cook – Mississippi – Mid 6th-UDFA
    7. Conredge Collins – Pittsburgh – 7th Round-UDFA
    8. Eric Kettani – Navy – 7th Round-UDFA
    9. Marcus Mailei – Weber State – UDFA
    10. Bill Rentmeester – Wisconsin – UDFA


    Wide Receivers
    1. Jeremy Maclin – Missouri – Top 15
    2. Michael Crabtree – Texas Tech – Top 10
    3. Darrius Heyward-Bey – Maryland – Top 20
    4. Percy Harvin – Florida – Top 32
    5. Hakeem Nicks – North Carolina – Top 32
    6. Kenny Britt – Rutgers – Late 1st-Early 2nd
    7. Brian Robiskie – Ohio State – Second Round
    8. Juaquin Iglesias – Oklahoma – Late 2nd-Mid 3rd
    9. Ramses Barden – Cal-Poly – Mid 3rd-Early 4th
    10. Mohamed Massaquoi – Georgia – Mid 3rd-Mid 4th
    11. Brandon Tate – North Carolina – Mid 3rd-Mid 4th
    12. Louis Murphy – Florida – Mid 3rd-Late 4th
    13. Jarrett Dillard – Rice – Fourth Round
    14. Derrick Williams – Penn State – Early 3rd-Early 5th
    15. Pat White – West Virginia – Mid 2nd-Mid 3rd (QB)*
    16. Kenny McKinley – South Carolina – Early 4th-Mid 5th
    17. Demetrius Byrd – LSU – Mid 4th-Late 5th
    18. Austin Collie – BYU – Mid 4th-Late 5th
    19. Mike Thomas – Arizona – Late 4th-Early 6th
    20. Johnny Knox – Abilene Christian – Late 4th-Mid 6th
    21. Sammie Stroughter – Oregon State – Early 5th-Mid 6th
    22. Mike Wallace – Mississippi – Early 5th-Mid 6th
    23. Deon Butler – Penn State – Early 5th-Mid 6th
    24. Marko Mitchell – Nevada – Mid 5th-Early 7th
    25. Brandon Gibson – Washington State – Mid 5th-Early 7th
    26. Kevin Ogletree – Virginia – Mid 5th-Mid 7th
    27. Aaron Kelly – Clemson – Late 5th-Mid 7th
    28. Tiquan Underwood – Rutgers – Late 5th-Late 7th
    29. Domonique Edison – Stephen F. Austin – Early 6th-Late 7th
    30. Quan Cosby – Texas – Mid 6th-UDFA
    31. Darius Passmore – Marshall – Late 6th-UDFA
    32. Brian Hartline – Ohio State – 7th Round-UDFA
    33. Patrick Turner – USC – 7th Round-UDFA
    34. Jordan Norwood – Penn State – 7th Round-UDFA
    35. Jaison Williams – Oregon – 7th Round-UDFA


    Tight Ends
    1. Brandon Pettigrew – Oklahoma State – Top 25
    2. Jared Cook – South Carolina – Late 1st-Mid 2nd
    3. Shawn Nelson – Southern Mississippi – Mid 2nd-Early 3rd
    4. Chase Coffman – Missouri – Late 2nd-Early 4th
    5. Cornelius Ingram – Florida – Mid 3rd-Early 4th
    6. James Casey – Rice – Mid 3rd-Early 4th
    7. Travis Beckum – Wisconsin – Late 3rd-Early 5th
    8. Cameron Morrah – California – Early 4th-Early 5th
    9. John Phillips – Virginia - Mid 4th-Mid 5th
    10. Richard Quinn – North Carolina – Late 4th-Early 6th
    11. Kory Sperry – Colorado State – Early 5th-Mid 6th
    12. Davon Drew – East Carolina – Late 5th-Early 7th
    13. Jared Bronson – Central Washington – Late 5th-Early 7th
    14. Darius Hill – Ball State – Mid 5th-UDFA
    15. Bear Pascoe – Fresno State – Late 5th-Mid 7th
    16. Anthony Hill – North Carolina State – Late 5th-Mid 7th
    17. Zach Miller – Nebraska-Omaha – Late 5th-Late 7th
    18. Ryan Purvis – Boston College – 7th Round-UDFA
    19. Dan Gronkowski – Maryland – 7th Round-UDFA
    20. Travis McCall- Alabama – 7th Round-UDFA


    Offensive Tackles
    1. Jason Smith – Baylor – Top 5
    2. Eugene Monroe – Virginia – Top 10
    3. Andre Smith – Alabama – Top 15 (OG)
    4. Michael Oher – Mississippi – Top 15
    5. William Beatty – Connecticut – Late 1st-Early 2nd
    6. Eben Britton – Arizona – Late 1st-Mid 2nd
    7. Jamon Meredith – South Carolina – Early 2nd-Early 3rd
    8. Phil Loadholt – Oklahoma – Mid 2nd-Early 3rd
    9. Gerald Cadogan – Penn State – Early 3rd-Early 4th
    10. Troy Kropog – Tulane – Early 3rd-Early 4th
    11. T.J. Lang – Eastern Michigan – Mid 3rd-Mid 4th (OG)
    12. Jason Watkins – Florida – Mid 3rd-Late 4th
    13. Fenuki Tupou – Oregon – Late 3rd-Mid 5th (OG)
    14. Xavier Fulton – Illinois – Early 4th-Late 5th (OG)
    15. Joel Bell – Furman – Early 5th-Early 7th
    16. Andrew Gardner – Georgia Tech – Late 5th-Early 7th
    17. Lydon Murtha – Nebraska – Mid 5th-Early 7th
    18. Augustus Parrish – Kent State – Late 5th-Early 7th
    19. Alex Boone – Ohio State – 7th Round-UDFA
    20. Rylan Reed – Texas Tech – 7th Round-UDFA
    21. Garrett Reynolds – North Carolina – 7th Round-UDFA
    22. Andrew Hartline – Central Michigan – 7th Round-UDFA
    23. Robert Brewster – Ball State – 7th Round-UDFA (OG)
    24. Jose Valdez – Arkansas – 7th Round-UDFA (OG)
    25. Brandon Pearce – Memphis – UDFA


    Offensive Guards
    1. Duke Robinson – Oklahoma – Mid 2nd-Early 3rd
    2. Andy Levitre – Oregon State – Early 3rd-Early 4th
    3. Cornelius Lewis – Tennessee State – Early 3rd-Mid 4th (OT)
    4. Trevor Canfield – Cincinnati – Late 3rd-Late 4th
    5. Kraig Urbik – Wisconsin – Early 4th-Early 5th
    6. Roger Allen – Missouri Western State – Late 4th-Early 6th
    7. Herman Johnson – LSU – Early 5th-Mid 7th
    8. Louis Vasquez – Texas Tech – Mid 5th-Mid 7th
    9. Tyronne Green – Auburn – Early 6th-Late 7th
    10. C.J. Davis – Pittsburgh – Mid 6th-UDFA
    11. Seth Olsen – Iowa – 7th Round-UDFA
    12. Ray Feniga – BYU – 7th Round-UDFA
    13. Andy Kemp – Wisconsin – 7th Round-UDFA
    14. Greg Isander – West Virginia – 7th Round-UDFA
    15. Brandon Walker – Oklahoma – 7th Round-UDFA


    Centers
    1. Alex Mack – California – Late 1st-Early 2nd
    2. Eric Wood – Louisville – Second Round
    3. Max Unger – Oregon – Late 1st-Early 3rd
    4. Antoine Caldwell – Alabama – Early 3rd-Early 4th
    5. Jonathan Luigs – Arkansas – Early 4th-Early 5th
    6. A.Q. Shipley – Penn State – Late 4th-Early 6th
    7. Blake Schleuter – TCU – Mid 5th-Early 7th
    8. Jon Cooper – Oklahoma – Late 5th-Late 7th
    9. Edwin Williams – Maryland – Late 5th-Late 7th
    10. Alex Fletcher – Stanford – Early 6th-UDFA
    11. Juan Garcia – Washington – Mid 6th-UDFA
    12. Brett Helms – LSU – 7th Round-UDFA

    DEFENSE

    Defensive Ends
    1. Brian Orakpo – Texas – Top 15
    2. Everette Brown – Florida State – Top 15
    3. Aaron Maybin –Penn State – Mid 1st-Early 2nd
    4. Larry English – Northern Illinois – Mid 1st-Early 2nd
    5. Tyson Jackson – LSU – Top 32
    6. Robert Ayers – Tennessee – Mid 1st-Mid 2nd
    7. Michael Johnson – Georgia Tech – Mid 1st-Mid 2nd
    8. Jarron Gilbert – San Jose State – Late 1st-Late 2nd
    9. Lawrence Sidbury – Richmond – Mid 2nd-Early 3rd
    10. Paul Kruger – Utah – Late 2nd-Mid 3rd
    11. Kyle Moore – USC – Late 3rd-Early 5th
    12. David Veikune – Hawaii – Mid 4th-Late 5th
    13. Tim Jamison – Michigan – Late 4th-Late 5th
    14. Matt Shaughnessy – Wisconsin – Mid 4th-Early 6th
    15. Henry Melton – Texas – Early 5th-Late 6th
    16. Zach Potter – Nebraska – Mid 5th-Early 7th
    17. Pannel Egboh – Stanford – Mid 5th-Mid 7th
    18. Will Davis – Illinois – Mid 5th-Mid 7th
    19. Phillip Hunt – Houston – Late 5th-Late 7th
    20. Brandon Williams – Texas Tech – Late 5th-Late 7th
    21. Stryker Sulak – Missouri – Mid 6th-UDFA
    22. Orion Martin – Virginia Tech – Mid 6th-UDFA
    23. Michael Bennett – Texas A&M – Late 6th-UDFA
    24. Ian Campbell – Kansas State – 7th Round-UDFA
    25. William VanDeSteeg – Minnesota – UDFA


    Defensive Tackles
    1. B.J. Raji – Boston College – Top 10
    2. Peria Jerry – Mississippi – Top 25
    3. Evander “Ziggy” Hood – Missouri – Late 1st-Mid 2nd
    4. Ron Brace – Boston College – Early 2nd-Early 3rd
    5. Sen’Derrick Marks – Auburn – Late 2nd-Early 4th
    6. Fili Moala – USC – Late 2nd-Early 4th
    7. Alex Magee – Purdue – Early 3rd-Early 4th
    8. Chris Baker – Hampton – Mid 3rd-Late 4th
    9. Terrance Taylor – Michigan – Mid 3rd-Mid 5th
    10. Dorrell Scott – Clemson – Late 3rd-Early 5th
    11. Corvey Irvin – Georgia – Mid 4th-Late 5th
    12. Roy Miller – Texas – Late 4th-Early 6th
    13. John Gill – Northwestern – Late 4th-Mid 6th
    14. Mitch King – Iowa – Late 4th-Mid 6th
    15. Marlon Pryor – Kentucky – Late 4th-Late 6th
    16. Clinton McDonald – Memphis – Early 5th-Early 7th
    17. Sammie Lee Hill – Stillman – Early 5th-Early 7th
    18. Ricky Jean-Francois – LSU – Early 5th-UDFA
    19. Khalif Mitchell – East Carolina – Mid 5th-Mid 7th
    20. Demonte Bolden – Tennessee – Mid 5th-Late 7th
    21. Nader Abdallah – Early 6th-UDFA
    22. Everette Pedescleaux – Northern Iowa – Early 6th-UDFA
    23. Vance Walker – Georgia Tech – Late 5th-UDFA
    24. Daryl Richard – Gerogia Tech – Late 6th-UDFA
    25. Terrance Knighton – Temple – Late 6th-UDFA


    Outside Linebackers
    1. Aaron Curry – Wake Forest – Top 5
    2. Brian Cushing – USC – Top 15
    3. Clay Matthews – USC – Mid 1st-Early 2nd
    4. Connor Barwin – Cincinnati – Late 1st-Mid 2nd
    5. Marcus Freeman – Ohio State – Early 2nd-Early 3rd
    6. Clint Sintim – Virginia – Early 2nd-Early 3rd
    7. Tyrone McKenzie – Late 2nd-Late 3rd
    8. Gerald McRath – Southern Mississippi – Third Round (MLB)
    9. Cody Brown – Connecticut – Early 3rd-Early 4th
    10. Victor Butler – Oregon State – Mid 3rd-Mid 4th
    11. Kaluka Maiava – USC – Early 4th-Mid 5th
    12. Jason Williams – Western Illinois – Mid 4th-Early 6th
    13. Jonathan Casillas – Wisconsin – Mid 4th-Early 6th
    14. Zack Follett – California – Mid 4th-Early 6th
    15. Lee Robinson – Alcorn State – Late 4th-Early 6th
    16. Nic Harris – Oklahoma – Early 5th-Late 6th
    17. DeAndre Levy – Wisconsin – Early 5th-Early 7th
    18. Slade Norris – Oregon State – Mid 5th-Early 7th
    19. Nick Reed – Oregon – Late 5th-Mid 7th
    20. Robert Francois – Boston College – Late 5th-Mid 7th
    21. Moise Fokou – Maryland – Late 5th-UDFA
    22. Anthony Felder – California – Early 6th-UDFA
    23. Anthony Heygood – Purdue – Early 6th-UDFA
    24. Ashlee Palmer – Mississippi – Early 6th-UDFA
    25. Joe Mortensen – Kansas – 7th Round-UDFA


    Inside Linebackers
    1. Rey Maualuga – USC – Top 25
    2. James Laurinaitis – Ohio State – Late 1st-Late 2nd
    3. Darry Beckwith – LSU – Late 2nd-Early 4th
    4. Stanley Arnoux – Wake Forest – Late 3rd-Early 5th
    5. Jasper Brinkley – South Carolina – Late 3rd-Mid 5th
    6. Josh Mauga – Nevada – Early 4th-Mid 5th
    7. Scott McKillop – Pittsburgh – Mid 4th-Early 6th
    8. Dannell Ellerbe – Georgia – Late 4th-Mid 6th
    9. Jason Phillips – TCU – Early 5th-Late 6th
    10. Antonio Appleby – Virginia – Mid 5th-Early 7th
    11. Frantz Joseph – Florida Atlantic – Late 5th-Mid 7th
    12. Maurice Crum Jr. – Notre Dame – Early 6th-UDFA
    13. Worrell Williams – California – Mid 6th-UDFA
    14. Mike Rivera – Kansas – 7th Round-UDFA
    15. Jamar Chaney – Mississippi State – 7th Round-UDFA


    Cornerbacks
    1. Malcolm Jenkins – Ohio State – Top 15 (FS)
    2. Vontae Davis – Illinois – Top 20
    3. Alphonso Smith – Wake Forest – Top 32
    4. Sean Smith – Utah – Top 32 (FS)
    5. Darius Butler – Connecticut – Late 1st-Early 2nd
    6. Coye Francies – San Jose State – Second Round
    7. D.J. Moore – Vanderbilt – Mid 2nd-Early 3rd
    8. Jairus Byrd – Oregon – Mid 2nd-Early 3rd
    9. Sherrod Martin – Troy – Late 2nd-Early 4th (FS)
    10. Bradley Fletcher – Iowa – Mid 3rd-Late 4th
    11. Mark Parson – Ohio – Mid 3rd-Early 5th
    12. Kevin Barnes – Maryland – Mid 3rd-Late 4th
    13. Keenan Lewis – Oregon State – Mid 3rd-Early 5th
    14. Cary Harris – USC – Late 3rd-Late 4th
    15. Bruce Johnson – Miami – Late 3rd-Late 4th
    16. Donald Washington – Ohio State – Mid 3rd-Mid 5th
    17. Victor “Macho” Harris – Virginia Tech – Early 4th-Mid 5th
    18. Mike Mickens – Cincinnati – Early 4th-Mid 5th
    19. Asher Allen – Georgia – Early 4th-Mid 5th
    20. Jerraud Powers – Auburn – Mid 4th-Early 6th
    21. Captain Munnerlyn – South Carolina – Late 4th-Mid 6th
    22. DeAngelo Smith – Cincinnati – Late 4th-Mid 6th (FS)
    23. LaDarius Webb – Nicholls State – Early 5th-Late 6th
    24. Chris Owens – San Jose State – Early 5th-Early 7th
    25. Brandon Underwood – Cincinnati – Early 5th-Early 7th (FS)
    26. Joe Burnett – Central Florida – Mid 5th-Mid 7th
    27. Ryan Palmer – Texas – Early 6th-UDFA
    28. Domonique Johnson – Jackson State – Early 6th-UDFA
    29. London Fryar – Western Michigan – Mid 6th-UDFA
    30. Ellis Lankster – West Virginia – Mid 6th-UDFA
    31. Jahi Word-Daniels – Georgia Tech – Late 6th-UDFA
    32. Tony Carter – Florida State – 7th Round-UDFA
    33. Brandon Hughes – Oregon State – 7th Round-UDFA
    34. Morgan Trent – Michigan – 7th Round-UDFA
    35. Wopamo Osaisai – Stanford – 7th Round-UDFA


    Safeties
    1. Louis Delmas – Western Michigan – Early-Mid 2nd Round
    2. Rashad Johnson – Alabama – Second Round
    3. William Moore – Missouri – Late 1st-Early 3rd
    4. Patrick Chung – Oregon – Mid 2nd-Early 3rd
    5. Chip Vaughn – Wake Forest – Mid 2nd-Mid 3rd
    6. Darcel McBath – Texas Tech – Mid 3rd-Mid 4th
    7. Michael Hamlin – Clemson – Mid 3rd-Mid 4th
    8. Curtis Taylor – LSU – Late 3rd-Early 5th
    9. David Bruton – Notre Dame – Early 4th-Early 5th
    10. Chris Clemons – Clemson – Mid 4th-Early 6th
    11. Courtney Greene – Rutgers – Late 4th-Early 6th
    12. Stephen Hodge – TCU – Late 4th-Early 6th
    13. C.J. Spillman – Marshall – Early 5th-Mid 6th
    14. Derek Pegues – Mississippi State – Mid 5th-Mid 7th
    15. Emmanuel Cook – South Carolina – Late 5th-UDFA
    16. Al Afalava – Oregon State – Late 5th-UDFA
    17. Otis Wiley – Michigan State – Early 6th-UDFA
    18. Marcus McClinton – Kentucky – Mid 6th-UDFA
    19. Trimane Goddard – North Carolina – Mid 6th-UDFA
    20. Anthony Reddick – Miami – 7th Round-UDFA


    Specialists (Kickers/Punters)
    1. Graham Gano – Florida State – Late 5th-Late 7th (K)
    2. Thomas Morstead – SMU – Early 6th-UDFA (P)
    3. Kevin Huber – Cincinnati – Mid 6th-UDFA (P)
    4. David Beuhler – USC – Mid 6th-UDFA (K)
    5. Chris Miller – Ball State – Late 6th-UDFA (P)
    6. Jose Martinez – UTEP – 7th Round-UDFA (K)
    7. Ryan Succop – South Carolina – UDFA
    8. Sam Swank – Wake Forest – UDFA


    Big Board Top 255

    1. Aaron Curry –OLB – Wake Forest
    2. Jason Smith – OT – Baylor
    3. Matthew Stafford – QB – Georgia
    4. B.J. Raji – DT – Boston College
    5. Eugene Monroe – OT – Virginia
    6. Jeremy Maclin – WR – Missouri
    7. Michael Crabtree – WR – Texas Tech
    8. Mark Sanchez – QB – USC
    9. Brian Orakpo – DE/OLB - Texas
    10. Chris “Beanie” Wells – RB – Ohio State
    11. Andre Smith – OT – Alabama
    12. Malcolm Jenkins – CB/FS – Ohio State
    13. Michael Oher – OT - Mississippi
    14. Everette Brown – DE/OLB – Florida State
    15. Darrius Heyward-Bey – WR – Maryland
    16. Brian Cushing – OLB – USC
    17. Vontae Davis – CB – Illinois
    18. Aaron Maybin – OLB/DE – Penn State
    19. Knowshon Moreno – RB – Georgia
    20. Brandon Pettigrew – TE – Oklahoma State
    21. Peria Jerry – DT – Mississippi
    22. Rey Maualuga – ILB - USC
    23. Percy Harvin – WR/ATH – Florida
    24. Josh Freeman – QB – Kansas State
    25. Larry English – DE/OLB – Northern Illinois
    26. Hakeem Nicks – WR – North Carolina
    27. Clay Matthews – OLB – USC
    28. Alphonso Smith – CB – Wake Forest
    29. Tyson Jackson – DE – LSU
    30. Sean Smith – CB/FS – Utah
    31. Robert Ayers – DE – Tennessee
    32. Kenny Britt – WR – Rutgers
    33. LeSean McCoy – RB – Pittsburgh
    34. Alex Mack – C – California
    35. Darius Butler – CB – Connecticut
    36. James Laurinaitis – LB – Ohio State
    37. Michael Johnson – DE – Georgia Tech
    38. William Beatty – OT - Connecticut
    39. Jarron Gilbert – DE/DT – San Jose State
    40. Evander “Ziggy” Hood – DT – Missouri
    41. Connor Barwin – OLB/DE – Cincinnati
    42. Jared Cook – TE – South Carolina
    43. Donald Brown – RB – Connecticut
    44. Eben Britton – OT – Arizona
    45. Eric Wood – C – Louisville
    46. Louis Delmas – S – Western Michigan
    47. Max Unger – C – Oregon
    48. Ron Brace – DT – Boston College
    49. Rashad Johnson – S - Alabama
    50. Coye Francies – CB – San Jose State
    51. D.J. Moore – CB – Vanderbilt
    52. William Moore – S – Missouri
    53. Brian Robiskie – WR – Ohio State
    54. Jairus Byrd – CB - Oregon
    55. Patrick Chung – S - Oregon
    56. Marcus Freeman – OLB – Ohio State
    57. Jamon Meredith – OT – South Carolina
    58. Clint Sintim – OLB – Virginia
    59. Phil Loadholt – OT - Oklahoma
    60. Pat White – QB/WR – West Virginia
    61. Duke Robinson – OG – Oklahoma
    62. Lawrence Sidbury – DE/OLB – Richmond
    63. Chip Vaughn – S – Wake Forest
    64. Sherrod Martin – CB/FS - Troy
    65. Shawn Nelson – TE – Southern Mississippi
    66. Andre Brown – RB – North Carolina State
    67. Paul Kruger – DE – Utah
    68. Tyrone McKenzie – OLB – South Florida
    69. Sen’Derrick Marks – DT – Auburn
    70. Chase Coffman – TE - Missouri
    71. Darry Beckwith – ILB – LSU
    72. Rashad Johnson – RB – Liberty
    73. Fili Moala – DT – USC
    74. Juaquin Iglesias – WR – Oklahoma
    75. Gerald McRath – LB – Southern Mississippi
    76. Shonn Greene – RB – Iowa
    77. Cody Brown – OLB - Connecitcut
    78. Alex Magee – DT - Purdue
    79. Antoine Caldwell – C - Alabama
    80. Gerald Cadogan – OT – Penn State
    81. Troy Kropog – OT – Tulane
    82. Mike Goodson – RB – Texas A&M
    83. Andy Levitre – OG/C – Oregon State
    84. Cornelius Ingram – TE – Florida
    85. James Casey – TE/H-B - Rice
    86. T.J. Lang – OT/OG – Eastern Michigan
    87. Bradley Fletcher – CB – Iowa
    88. Cornelius Lewis – OG/OT – Tennessee State
    89. Victor Butler – OLB – Oregon State
    90. Ramses Barden – WR – Cal-Poly
    91. Devin Moore – RB – Wyoming
    92. Darcel McBath – S – Texas Tech
    93. Michael Hamlin – S - Clemson
    94. Mohamed Massaquoi – WR – Georgia
    95. Chris Baker – DT - Hampton
    96. Mark Parson – CB – Ohio
    97. Jason Watkins – OT – Florida
    98. Brandon Tate – WR – North Carolina
    99. Kevin Barnes – CB – Maryland
    100. Louis Murphy – WR – Florida
    101. Terrance Taylor – DT – Michigan
    102. Bernard Scott – RB – Abilene Christian
    103. Keenan Lewis – CB – Oregon State
    104. Trevor Canfield – OG - Cincinnati
    105. Jarrett Dillard – WR – Rice
    106. Rhett Bomar – QB – Sam Houston State
    107. Dorrell Scott – DT – Clemson
    108. Cary Harris – CB – USC
    109. Kory Sheets – RB – Purdue
    110. Derrick Williams – RS/WR – Penn State
    111. Stanley Arnoux – MLB – Wake Forest
    112. Kyle Moore – DE – USC
    113. Travis Beckum – TE/H-B – Wisconsin
    114. Curtis Taylor – S - LSU
    115. Javon Ringer – RB – Michigan State
    116. Bruce Johnson – CB – Miami
    117. Donald Washington – CB – Ohio State
    118. Kraig Urbik – OG – Wisconsin
    119. Jasper Brinkley – ILB – South Carolina
    120. Victor “Macho” Harris – CB/FS – Virginia Tech
    121. Fenuki Tupou – OT/OG – Oregon
    122. James Davis – RB - Clemson
    123. Cameron Morrah – TE – California
    124. Mike Mickens – CB – Cincinnati
    125. Stephen McGee – QB – Texas A&M
    126. Asher Allen – CB – Georgia
    127. Cedric Peerman – RB – Virginia
    128. David Bruton – S – Notre Dame
    129. Quinn Johnson – FB – LSU
    130. Tony Fiammetta – FB - Georgia
    131. Jonathan Luigs – C – Arkansas
    132. Kenny McKinley – WR – South Carolina
    133. Jerraud Powers – CB – Auburn
    134. Josh Mauga – ILB - Nevada
    135. Kaluka Maiava – OLB - USC
    136. Xavier Fulton – OT/OG – Illinois
    137. Jason Williams – OLB – Western Illinois
    138. David Veikune – DE - Hawaii
    139. Nate Davis – QB – Ball State
    140. Demetrius Byrd – WR – LSU
    141. Austin Collie – WR - BYU
    142. Corvey Irvin – DT – Georgia
    143. John Phillips – TE - Virginia
    144. Jonathan Casillas – OLB – Wisconsin
    145. Brannan Southerland – FB – Georgia
    146. Glen Coffee – RB - Alabama
    147. Scott McKillop – ILB – Pittsburgh
    148. Chris Clemons – S – Clemson
    149. Tim Jamison – DE – Michigan
    150. Roger Allen – OG – Missouri Western State
    151. Richard Quinn – TE – North Carolina
    152. Captain Munnerlyn – CB – South Carolina
    153. Dannell Ellerbe – MLB – Georgia
    154. Zack Follett – LB – California
    155. DeAngelo Smith – CB/FS - Cincinnati
    156. Mike Thomas – WR – Arizona
    157. A.Q. Shipley – C – Penn State
    158. Roy Miller – DT – Texas
    159. Courtney Greene – S - Rutgers
    160. Matt Shaughnessy – DE – Wisconsin
    161. Lee Robinson – OLB – Alcorn State
    162. John Gill – DT - Northwestern
    163. Stephen Hodge – S – TCU
    164. Jason Phillips – ILB – TCU
    165. Johnny Knox – WR – Abilene Christian
    166. Mitch King – DT/ILB – Iowa
    167. Marlon Pryor – DT - Kentucky
    168. Herman Johnson – OG/OT – LSU
    169. Kory Sperry – TE – Colorado State
    170. LaDarrius Webb – CB – Nicholls State
    171. Nic Harris – OLB/S – Oklahoma
    172. Chris Owens – CB – San Jose State
    173. Sammie Stroughter – WR – Oregon State
    174. Henry Melton – DE - Texas
    175. Curtis Painter – QB – Purdue
    176. C.J. Spillman – S – Marshall
    177. Ian Johnson – RB – Boise State
    178. Mike Wallace – WR/RS – Mississippi
    179. Jeremiah Johnson – RB – Oregon
    180. Hunter Cantwell – QB – Louisville
    181. Clinton McDonald – DT – Memphis
    182. DeAndre Levy – OLB – Wisconsin
    183. Brandon Underwood – CB/FS – Cincinnati
    184. Deon Butler – WR – Penn State
    185. Sammie Lee Hill – DT - Stillman
    186. Blake Schleuter – C – TCU
    187. Derek Pegues – S – Mississippi State
    188. Joel Bell – OT – Furman
    189. Zach Potter – DE – Nebraska
    190. Javarris Williams – RB – Tennessee State
    191. Louis Vasquez – OG – Texas Tech
    192. Andrew Gardner – OT – Georgia Tech
    193. Slade Norris – OLB – Oregon State
    194. Marko Mitchell – WR – Nevada
    195. Antonio Appleby – ILB – Virginia
    196. Brandon Gibson – WR – Washington State
    197. Nick Reed – OLB - Oregon
    198. Ricky Jean-Francois – DT – LSU
    199. Kevin Ogletree – WR – Virginia
    200. John Parker Wilson – QB - Alabama
    201. Pannel Egboh – DE – Stanford
    202. Will Davis – DE - Illinois
    203. Lydon Murtha – OT - Nebraska
    204. Joe Burnett – CB – Central Florida
    205. Khalif Mitchell – DT/DE – East Carolina
    206. Augustus Parrish – OT/OG – Kent State
    207. Demonte Bolden – DT - Tennessee
    208. Aaron Kelly – WR – Clemson
    209. Jason Boltus – QB – Hartwick
    210. Davon Drew – TE – East Carolina
    211. Emmanuel Cook – S – South Carolina
    212. Robert Francois – OLB – Boston College
    213. Jon Cooper – C – Oklahoma
    214. Frantz Joseph – ILB – Florida Atlantic
    215. Jared Bronson – TE – Central Washington
    216. Ryan Palmer – CB - Texas
    217. Phillip Hunt – DE – Houston
    218. Brandon Williams – DE – Texas Tech
    219. Tiquan Underwood – WR - Rutgers
    220. Darius Hill – TE – Ball State
    221. Bear Pascoe – TE – Fresno State
    222. Cullen Harper – QB – Clemson
    223. Anthony Hill – TE – North Carolina State
    224. Brock Bolen – FB - Louisville
    225. Edwin Williams – C – Maryland
    226. Graham Gano – K – Florida State
    227. Moise Fokou – OLB – Maryland
    228. Zach Miller – TE – Nebraska-Omaha
    229. Domonique Edison – WR – Stephen F. Austin
    230. Tyronne Greene – OG – Auburn
    231. Al Afalava – S – Oregon State
    232. Alex Fletcher – C – Stanford
    233. Maurice Crum Jr. – MLB – Notre Dame
    234. Domonique Johnson – CB – Jackson State
    235. Otis Wiley – S – Michigan State
    236. Anthony Felder – OLB - California
    237. Mike Reilly – QB – Central Washington
    238. Tom Brandstater – QB – Fresno State
    239. London Fryar – CB – Western Michigan
    240. Anthony Heyood – OLB - Purdue
    241. C.J. Davis – OG – Pittsburgh
    242. Ashlee Palmer – OLB - Mississippi
    243. Marlon Lucky – RB – Wisconsin
    244. Ellis Lankster – CB – West Virginia
    245. Nader Abdallah – DT – Ohio State
    246. Everette Pedescleuax – DT – Northern Iowa
    247. Marcus McClinton – S – Kentucky
    248. Vance Walker – DT – Georgia Tech
    249. Quan Cosby – WR – Texas
    250. Eddie Williams – FB – Idaho
    251. Arian Foster – RB – Tennessee
    252. Darius Passmore – WR – Marshall
    253. Juan Garcia – C – Washington
    254. Stryker Sulak – DE/OLB – Missouri
    255. Jason Cook – FB - Mississippi
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  • #2
    Excellent work. I agree for the most part on where you have everyone slotted. Where I do disagree, it is not by much. Great overall board and rankings.

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    • #3
      Seth Olsen is too low on your board for guards, and Rob Bruggeman should make it for centers. Otherwise, I'm a big fan.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by ToldLikeItIs View Post
        Seth Olsen is too low on your board for guards, and Rob Bruggeman should make it for centers. Otherwise, I'm a big fan.
        This Guard class is weak, so Olsen may go higher than he should. Still, you have to question if his feet and hands are quick enough to handle quicker interior linemen at the next level. I also wouldn't call Olsen a road-grader by any means and it's possible that he will be overpowered at the next level. That being said, I see him as a depth guy and a pretty good one. He really doesn't stand out in any way, but is a solid lineman who should make a nice backup and spot-player at either Guard position.

        Also, I kept the list at Centers at 12. I don't feel Bruggeman is better than any of the 12, nor do I feel he has a better shot to be drafted than those guys. I am not down on the guy, I simply think he is an UDFA. He'd likely hug the end of a Top 15 for Centers.

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        • #5
          CB Keenan Lewis (6-0 3/4, 191 pounds) came in 17 pounds less than what he weighed at the combine. He told people that he weighed so much more at the combine because he was given creatine at his workouts to his increase his weight. His playing weight is about 194. He ran a 4.49 and 4.51 in the 40, had a 38 1/2-inch vertical jump, a 10-foot, 10-inch broad jump, a 4.42 short short, a 6.89 three-cone drill and has 20 bench press reps.

          At quarterback, I don't see how Josh Freeman isn't a first-round pick, especially due to the fact that after him, I don't see another quarterback who looks like a pretty good starting option. I have Curtis Painter in my top-5 with Pat White, but after those two, maybe McGee, and Nate Davis, I'm not sure any of the other ones will or should even be drafted. Not a Rhett Bomar fan at all - getting dismissed from Oklahoma and terrible accuracy even at a low level of competition would keep him off my team.

          I personally think Donald Brown is much better than McCoy, but I'm a Connecticut fan as well. I'd have Brown as the same grade you do, and then McCoy as a second rounder. Brown is a better inside runner and McCoy has well-documented fumbling issues. That's one thing I can't really tolerate at the running back position. The rest of the rankings look okay, but I think PJ Hill definitely deserves to be drafted after losing a bunch of weight and running well.

          Crabtree is absolutely the #1 wide receiver in this draft if you ask me, and besides Al Davis, I think most teams would agree with that. We've already discussed this though. Darrius Heyward-Bey doesn't have the hands to be a top-20 pick, he's kind of in the same boat as Troy Williamson where he'll probably go over guys who had much more substantial production in college because he can slip into some spandex and run 40 yards on a track a tenth of a second or two faster than them. I might have Britt at #3 in my next rankings. Ogletree is overranked, and you know my thoughts on Derrick Williams. I think Louis Murphy is a bum.

          I'm not really a big fan of Pettigrew in the first, or any tight end for that matter. He's hardly a complete package, but I'd probably take James Casey if I had to. I think you have him and Beckum about a round too low each. Beckum has looked outstanding in all categories (40, bench, size, etc.) since the season ended. Remember, he was supposed to be a first/second kind of guy before getting injured. Casey can play damn near every position in the field and had ridiculous production, even surpassing Jarrett Dillard on the same team.

          The list of offensive tackles actually looks okay. You're missing Phil Trautwein, and I think Meredith is too high. Jason Watkins was actually outplayed by Trautwein at Florida and he got embarassed in some of the matchups during Senior Bowl practices. Rylan Reed injured his knee but had previously put up 41 reps on the bench at Texas Tech's Pro Day, so I think he could definitely go higher than you think (round 4-5.) If I remember correctly, he had allowed only one sack last year.

          From the guards and centers, I think Duke will definitely go in the second round, and I'd move Herman Johnson up too. Seth Olsen should also be drafted because of what he did this year run blocking for Shonn Greene. I think Antoine Caldwell and Jonatahn Luigs should each be a half-round or so higher, both are outstanding.

          Interesting that you have Maybin so high. I wouldn't take him in the first round regardless of who was left, and I think English, Tyson, and Gilbert all rank higher than him, although i think Gilbert also has a lot of value at defensive tackle. Michael Johnson ahead of Gilbert/Sidbury/Kruger doesn't fly with me either, I don't see much from him to suggest that he's worth one of those picks, although I agree he could be a first-rounder.

          I'd tweak the defensive tackle rankings. I'm in the minority, but I think Ziggy Hood is absolutely a better 4-3 defensive tackle than Peria Jerry the more I see of him, and I have questions about Jerry's durability and age. Five years from now, Jerry will already be in his 30s. Marks is overrated and didn't put up impressive workout numbers either, I'd drop him to around #8 or so. Ron Brace could be picked in the first and definitely won't slide to the third because you need a nose tackle in a 3-4 and after him and Raji, the dropoff is severe.

          I think you have Clint Sintim ranked way too low. That guy's practically the perfect 3-4 outside linebacker prospect since he has the ideal size and speed, and has played in the defense with a great coach for a while en route to a very successful season. I wouldn't try and make a projection with Barwin, a college end, if I knew there was already someone with years of system experience available in Sintim. I don't think Cushing is worth a top-15, either, and I would consider Clay Matthews over him, although it's a close call. Anyone who takes Jasper Brinkley in the third is getting a bust, and Arnoux is only ranked highly due to a 40 yard dash and playing next to Curry.

          My top ten corners in no specific order would be Davis, Alphonso and Sean Smith, Butler, Francies, Moore, Byrd, Donald Washington, Macho, and Kevin Barnes. I project Jenkins to free safety in the NFL. Washington, Macho, and Mickens are ranked too low in my opinion. Macho and Mickens produced very well in college and show dangerous ability with the ball in their hands, and Washington may get sniffs in the 30-40 range (per Kiper) because of his elite physical tools. He has an absolutely ridiculous vertical.

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          • #6
            Why so low on D.J. Moore?
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            • #7
              I still take Phillips over every ILB on that list besides the top 2, his knee injury was minor and may only take a couple weeks to fully heal

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              • #8
                DJ Boldin from Wake Forest is definitely a Top 35 WR

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by RavenOfProphecy View Post
                  CB Keenan Lewis (6-0 3/4, 191 pounds) came in 17 pounds less than what he weighed at the combine. He told people that he weighed so much more at the combine because he was given creatine at his workouts to his increase his weight. His playing weight is about 194. He ran a 4.49 and 4.51 in the 40, had a 38 1/2-inch vertical jump, a 10-foot, 10-inch broad jump, a 4.42 short short, a 6.89 three-cone drill and has 20 bench press reps.
                  - I am aware and I like Lewis as a player. Saw the recent Pro Day results and they are all very good except for perhaps the short shuttle. He is underrated and could go higher than I pegged him here. Still, I don't see him going much earlier than the Mid 3rd.

                  Originally posted by RavenOfProphecy View Post
                  At quarterback, I don't see how Josh Freeman isn't a first-round pick, especially due to the fact that after him, I don't see another quarterback who looks like a pretty good starting option. I have Curtis Painter in my top-5 with Pat White, but after those two, maybe McGee, and Nate Davis, I'm not sure any of the other ones will or should even be drafted. Not a Rhett Bomar fan at all - getting dismissed from Oklahoma and terrible accuracy even at a low level of competition would keep him off my team.
                  - Freeman is a first round value, sitting at 24 on my Big Board. Still, I believe there is a slight chance he falls into the Early 2nd Round to a team such as St. Louis or Seattle.

                  - You've read the scout interview article as you've brought it up in conversation with me, citing that it says that Vontae Davis gets it now. Either the sentence before or after says the same thing about Rhett Bomar, saying he seems to really have pieced himself together mentally and he has not had any recent trouble. He's not overly accurate just yet but is athletic, has a big arm, a nice build, he's a vocal leader, and has the mechanics you look for. His accuracy is nothing I would call terrible, as it wasn't under 55% and his TD-INT ratio was fine, though it needs work. Now, I don't like him as a starter, but I do think he is one of the very few QB's in this draft with starter potential and should make a fine backup at the worst. I would say he is a rich-man's J.T. O'Sullivan as he has a very similar skill set, through he seems to have much more awareness and less of a tendency for turnovers.

                  Originally posted by RavenOfProphecy View Post
                  I personally think Donald Brown is much better than McCoy, but I'm a Connecticut fan as well. I'd have Brown as the same grade you do, and then McCoy as a second rounder. Brown is a better inside runner and McCoy has well-documented fumbling issues. That's one thing I can't really tolerate at the running back position. The rest of the rankings look okay, but I think PJ Hill definitely deserves to be drafted after losing a bunch of weight and running well.
                  - McCoy is a player with immense talent, a former 5-Star recruit. He's injury-prone but for a speedier back runs willingly and tough between the tackles. He can hit the home-run though. Not as reliable as Brown and that's one main positional battle (#3 RB). They are close, McCoy got my close edge due to upside. I have each graded in the Early 2nd.

                  - Not sold that 218 will ever be P.J. Hill's playing weight and I feel if he's being forced to stay at that weight he is going to really struggle to please his coaches. 4.63-4.65 is surprising for Hill, but he doesn't play at that weight and doesn't play with that speed. Should be a fine pickup for someone as an UDFA.

                  Originally posted by RavenOfProphecy View Post
                  Crabtree is absolutely the #1 wide receiver in this draft if you ask me, and besides Al Davis, I think most teams would agree with that. We've already discussed this though. Darrius Heyward-Bey doesn't have the hands to be a top-20 pick, he's kind of in the same boat as Troy Williamson where he'll probably go over guys who had much more substantial production in college because he can slip into some spandex and run 40 yards on a track a tenth of a second or two faster than them. I might have Britt at #3 in my next rankings. Ogletree is overranked, and you know my thoughts on Derrick Williams. I think Louis Murphy is a bum.
                  - Personally, I like Maclin more as an NFL prospect and I've explained that time and time again. Since Michael Crabtree's only postseason news has been a stress fracture in his foot, I'm not sure how he's going to jump Maclin in my rankings barring a knee injury. That said, I think Crabtree will go earlier as evidenced in my positional rankings. I simply feel Maclin is the better NFL prospect.

                  - Heyward-Bey caught everything thrown his way and ran excellent routes at his recent pro day in which he was actually applauded. It was by all accounts a world class performance. He is drawing all kinds of interest and all kinds of buzz right now after a terrific Pro Day and Combine. He may not officially deserve it, but he is a Top 10 possibility with the Raiders and Jaguars at 7 & 8 being the two possibilities.

                  - Louis Murphy has both size & speed and will be overdrafted like many others based on physical talent primarily. He was a big-play threat in college with a career ypc over 16. He has the upside and could go earlier than the Early 4th grade (100) I have on him right now.

                  Originally posted by RavenOfProphecy View Post
                  I'm not really a big fan of Pettigrew in the first, or any tight end for that matter. He's hardly a complete package, but I'd probably take James Casey if I had to. I think you have him and Beckum about a round too low each. Beckum has looked outstanding in all categories (40, bench, size, etc.) since the season ended. Remember, he was supposed to be a first/second kind of guy before getting injured. Casey can play damn near every position in the field and had ridiculous production, even surpassing Jarrett Dillard on the same team.
                  - If I'm a team, I'm thinking where am I going to fit Casey and Beckum in? Neither is by any means a traditional Tight End and neither is a Fullback. They are each more H-B's, which is hardly common practice in NFL systems. I factored that into their draft stock. I never considered Beckum a first-second round guy because I always questioned his position. I love Casey and I think he could be the next Chris Cooley, but he is no standard TE or FB as I said.

                  - You're against first round Tight Ends due to the fact that in the past seven years the Patriots have taken two there (Daniel Graham and Ben Watson) and neither have worked out. Pettigrew is the best blocker at Tight End we've seen in quite some time and has the size, route running, strength, and hands to be a better receiver at the pro level than the college level (where he was underused.) He is more athletic than he receives credit for despite his very average 40 time.

                  Originally posted by RavenOfProphecy View Post
                  The list of offensive tackles actually looks okay. You're missing Phil Trautwein, and I think Meredith is too high. Jason Watkins was actually outplayed by Trautwein at Florida and he got embarassed in some of the matchups during Senior Bowl practices. Rylan Reed injured his knee but had previously put up 41 reps on the bench at Texas Tech's Pro Day, so I think he could definitely go higher than you think (round 4-5.) If I remember correctly, he had allowed only one sack last year.
                  - Rylan Reed was putting on a show and has plenty of physical capability. Still, he is 28. He is already supposed to be in his prime, not entering the NFL. The last thing he needed was a serious knee injury. Prior to that injury, if he had finished his good workout, I may be more likely to agree with you. I think he still has a small chance at being drafted, but I think it is far more likely he will be picked up as an UDFA.

                  - Jamon Meredith was a solid college player that has had a great post-season through the East-West Shrine Game and Combine. He is athletic enough and strong enough to project at one of four OL positions (LT/LG/RT/RG). I think he will be overdrafted. I have him at 57, a Late-2nd Round value, but could easily go far higher. Likewise, Jason Watkins surprised some at the Senior Bowl after an underachieving college career, and could be overdrafted based on his triangle numbers and upside. I have him 97 on my Big Board, which may be a tad bit high.

                  Originally posted by RavenOfProphecy View Post
                  From the guards and centers, I think Duke will definitely go in the second round, and I'd move Herman Johnson up too. Seth Olsen should also be drafted because of what he did this year run blocking for Shonn Greene. I think Antoine Caldwell and Jonatahn Luigs should each be a half-round or so higher, both are outstanding.
                  - Luigs was a very good college Center but I'm not sold on his core strength, ability to anchor, and just don't see any way he's going to overpower NFL DTs. I can see him developing into a solid pro Center, but he needs to add strength, muscle mass, and learn to play more physically. I'm not all too high on Herman Johnson who made a fool of himself against competition in the Senior Bowl and has clear weight problems. The man's playing weight is in the 380s, he showed up to the Senior Bowl like that, and was absolutely abused. Olsen should be a nice backup Guard, but really has no standout qualities. His overall foot and hand quickness will likely keep him from every becoming a starter.

                  Originally posted by RavenOfProphecy View Post
                  Interesting that you have Maybin so high. I wouldn't take him in the first round regardless of who was left, and I think English, Tyson, and Gilbert all rank higher than him, although i think Gilbert also has a lot of value at defensive tackle. Michael Johnson ahead of Gilbert/Sidbury/Kruger doesn't fly with me either, I don't see much from him to suggest that he's worth one of those picks, although I agree he could be a first-rounder.
                  - I think you underrate Maybin's natural athleticism, instincts, and what may be the quickest first step in the class. I think, due to his upside, he is a Top 20-25 value, though it is certainly possible he slips into the early second. Out of the top three Defensive Ends, he has the furthest to go physically and mentally, though I would consider him the most natural fit at Outside Linebacker out of the three despite his 40 time. He is a fluid athlete, has tremendous pass-rush ability, he is just a bit raw. Definitely a guy I'd plan on sitting for a year.

                  - Johnson remains 6'7 266 and capable of running in the very low 4.6s. He has done everything he needed to in order to raise his stock through the Combine and his Pro Day and is generating quite a buzz. Visits have been confirmed with Atlanta, Tampa Bay, Cleveland, and even Washington (who holds only the 13th Pick on the first day.) Those who argue Michael Johnson is unproductive simply set their standards far too high this year as he still recorded 7.0 Sacks 17.5 TFL 7 PD in the ACC in his first year as a full-time starter. Development is needed, he needs to add stamina in game, but he could come in immediately as a 3rd Down pass-rushing specialist and has star potential. I think he is more likely to be drafted in the draft's top round than Gilbert (very slight), Sidbury, and Kruger.


                  Originally posted by RavenOfProphecy View Post
                  I'd tweak the defensive tackle rankings. I'm in the minority, but I think Ziggy Hood is absolutely a better 4-3 defensive tackle than Peria Jerry the more I see of him, and I have questions about Jerry's durability and age. Five years from now, Jerry will already be in his 30s. Marks is overrated and didn't put up impressive workout numbers either, I'd drop him to around #8 or so. Ron Brace could be picked in the first and definitely won't slide to the third because you need a nose tackle in a 3-4 and after him and Raji, the dropoff is severe.
                  - Peria Jerry does it consistently on the field, Hood disappears for stretches at a time. I know who works out better, but here, once again, I care more about what is done on the field. Hood is quick, has nice technique, is a penetrator, has a hell of a spin move, has a nice motor, but he is not overly strong, powerful, he's not a master of leverage, is a bit inconsistent and can be nullified for long stretches at a time, and will not fit in some schemes. Hood had quite a solid Senior season very good Senior Bowl, though it does not really match up to Peria Jerry's in either regard. Jerry is compact, strong, quick, athletic, is excellent in getting leverage, and has really made the most out of both his Senior season and pre-draft events (Senior Bowl & Combine.) Despite age, if I were building a team out of scratch I'd take Jerry over Hood.

                  Originally posted by RavenOfProphecy View Post
                  I think you have Clint Sintim ranked way too low. That guy's practically the perfect 3-4 outside linebacker prospect since he has the ideal size and speed, and has played in the defense with a great coach for a while en route to a very successful season. I wouldn't try and make a projection with Barwin, a college end, if I knew there was already someone with years of system experience available in Sintim. I don't think Cushing is worth a top-15, either, and I would consider Clay Matthews over him, although it's a close call. Anyone who takes Jasper Brinkley in the third is getting a bust, and Arnoux is only ranked highly due to a 40 yard dash and playing next to Curry.
                  - The thing is, I see Clint Sintim purely as a 3-4 OLB prospect. As a 3-4 OLB, he's a likely Early-Mid 2nd Round value, but in a traditional 4-3 at SLB, he's more of an Early 3rd Round guy. He is very similar to former UVA standout Darryl Blackstock. Sintim just isn't overly fast or quick in space and is not exactly a standout in coverage. A hell of a pass-rusher though. He looks the part, but I think has become very overrated and his talents exaggerated. I know a current UVA player and another UVA alum that have both told me, separately, Sintim is without a doubt, not a first round value.

                  - I am going to go ahead and make that projection for Barwin. I see him as a 3-4 Oustide Linebacker or a Strong-side Linebacker in a 4-3 scheme. He is certainly athletic enough to make either move and has responded very well to coaching at all levels. He is a bit undersized, not polished enough as a pass-rusher, and not overly strong for the Defensive End spot. I think he is more than likely drafted to play Linebacker whether in the 3-4 or 4-3.

                  - I honestly just don't see Brian Cushing getting past Green Bay (9), Denver (12), Washington (13), New Orleans (14), and Houston (15) on draft day. That round projection is where I think the player will go factoring in the teams in the area. Take a look at the Big Board for pure value. Cushing happens to be at 16 there.

                  - Arnoux strikes me as one of the few true 4-3 MLB prospects and has the tools and range to be successful eventually. I like Arnoux, who had a very good overall workout in Indianapolis, as a backup/special teams player immediately right away and eventually perhaps as a starter with the right situation. His natural athleticism definitely helps him of course, so does his character and intelligence. He has been fairly productive on a very talented Wake defense and has upside and a nice work ethic.

                  - Brinkley should make a fine thumper in a 3-4 scheme. If he could get back to his prior form, he is a much higher value than 119 (the Mid-4th grade I slapped on him.) His Combine workout turned some heads considering most here were expecting a 4.8-4.9 especially after the injuries. A boom-or-bust guy.

                  Originally posted by RavenOfProphecy View Post
                  My top ten corners in no specific order would be Davis, Alphonso and Sean Smith, Butler, Francies, Moore, Byrd, Donald Washington, Macho, and Kevin Barnes. I project Jenkins to free safety in the NFL. Washington, Macho, and Mickens are ranked too low in my opinion. Macho and Mickens produced very well in college and show dangerous ability with the ball in their hands, and Washington may get sniffs in the 30-40 range (per Kiper) because of his elite physical tools. He has an absolutely ridiculous vertical.
                  - I know you love the workout wonder types, but the truth is Donald Washington really wasn't even a steady starter at Ohio State. Washington was ok, but young Chimdi Chekwa was the better corner. His physical tools are going to allow him to go higher than he should as he should be a late-round guy. I am aware Kiper jumped all over his workout numbers, and I agree his stock is clearly on the rise, but Top 30-40 is nothing short of idiotic. Harris and Mickens both have the college stud, pro #3 look.

                  -Funny that Malcolm Jenkins is not fast enough for a Cornerback spot at 4.55 while Macho Harris is at 4.61.

                  -Barnes has exceptional physical tools and is a solid player on the field, but my opinion on him remains rather standard and cautious. I do worry about his durability and consider him a bit of an underachiever. For now, I'll stand pat on my grade with Barnes, but I think a team could take a chance on him sooner rather than later.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by fenikz View Post
                    I still take Phillips over every ILB on that list besides the top 2, his knee injury was minor and may only take a couple weeks to fully heal
                    I was not overly high on Phillips as it is, so the low ranking really isn't too indicative of that injury that maybe held him back half a round in my rankings. I never found his play to be overly explosive, or all too instinctive. He is an intense, physical player, that has some range, but to me fits better as a 3-4 ILB. I see him as a 5th Round pick, but he could of course go higher.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by ThePudge View Post
                      - You've read the scout interview article as you've brought it up in conversation with me, citing that it says that Vontae Davis gets it now. Either the sentence before or after says the same thing about Rhett Bomar, saying he seems to really have pieced himself together mentally and he has not had any recent trouble. He's not overly accurate just yet but is athletic, has a big arm, a nice build, he's a vocal leader, and has the mechanics you look for. His accuracy is nothing I would call terrible, as it wasn't under 55% and his TD-INT ratio was fine, though it needs work. Now, I don't like him as a starter, but I do think he is one of the very few QB's in this draft with starter potential and should make a fine backup at the worst. I would say he is a rich-man's J.T. O'Sullivan as he has a very similar skill set, through he seems to have much more awareness and less of a tendency for turnovers.
                      I just don't see Rhett Bomar as a starter at all. He wasn't really dominant in college and if those statistics were his at Oklahoma last year rather than Sam Houston State, I'd still be wary of drafting him.

                      Originally posted by ThePudge View Post
                      Not sold that 218 will ever be P.J. Hill's playing weight and I feel if he's being forced to stay at that weight he is going to really struggle to please his coaches. 4.63-4.65 is surprising for Hill, but he doesn't play at that weight and doesn't play with that speed. Should be a fine pickup for someone as an UDFA.
                      I think he was too productive and too impressive at the Pro Day to be undrafted. It's possible, but I'd rank him in the 6th-7th.

                      Originally posted by ThePudge View Post
                      Heyward-Bey caught everything thrown his way and ran excellent routes at his recent pro day in which he was actually applauded. It was by all accounts a world class performance. He is drawing all kinds of interest and all kinds of buzz right now after a terrific Pro Day and Combine. He may not officially deserve it, but he is a Top 10 possibility with the Raiders and Jaguars at 7 & 8 being the two possibilities.
                      I have heard good things about his Pro Day as well, but I'd be wary of someone who has the Troy Williamson syndrome ("Where the hell did this guy come from? He didn't do much in college." "Trust me, he's got great hands and speed though! You want him in the top ten!")

                      Originally posted by ThePudge View Post
                      Louis Murphy has both size & speed and will be overdrafted like many others based on physical talent primarily. He was a big-play threat in college with a career ypc over 16. He has the upside and could go earlier than the Early 4th grade (100) I have on him right now.
                      Even in that spread offense he wasn't terribly productive though and I think he'll have trouble outproducing what he did in college in the NFL, especially since there are some concerns about his work ethic, etc. He's a fifth for me.

                      Originally posted by ThePudge View Post
                      If I'm a team, I'm thinking where am I going to fit Casey and Beckum in? Neither is by any means a traditional Tight End and neither is a Fullback. They are each more H-B's, which is hardly common practice in NFL systems. I factored that into their draft stock. I never considered Beckum a first-second round guy because I always questioned his position. I love Casey and I think he could be the next Chris Cooley, but he is no standard TE or FB as I said.
                      Sadly, I agree, because unfortunately, NFL coaches are terribly boring, rarely going outside of what has already been established. It may be asking too much for most of them to think outside the box. A team with a creative coaching staff could get some real production out of these guys though.

                      Originally posted by ThePudge View Post
                      You're against first round Tight Ends due to the fact that in the past seven years the Patriots have taken two there (Daniel Graham and Ben Watson) and neither have worked out. Pettigrew is the best blocker at Tight End we've seen in quite some time and has the size, route running, strength, and hands to be a better receiver at the pro level than the college level (where he was underused.) He is more athletic than he receives credit for despite his very average 40 time.
                      Not really that - I rank tight ends as first-round talents fairly regularly, but I just don't see Brandon Pettigrew (or any other tight end) as being worth one. I'd look for solid blocking and some playmaking ability. No one is going to accuse Brandon Pettigrew of making deep catches or anything like previous tight ends I've ranked highly (Kellen Winslow, Vernon Davis, etc.) He's in the Daniel Graham class.

                      Originally posted by ThePudge View Post
                      I think you underrate Maybin's natural athleticism, instincts, and what may be the quickest first step in the class. I think, due to his upside, he is a Top 20-25 value, though it is certainly possible he slips into the early second. Out of the top three Defensive Ends, he has the furthest to go physically and mentally, though I would consider him the most natural fit at Outside Linebacker out of the three despite his 40 time. He is a fluid athlete, has tremendous pass-rush ability, he is just a bit raw. Definitely a guy I'd plan on sitting for a year.
                      He has a first step, but is horribly underdeveloped both in football knowledge and in size and may not be able to retain that step if he goes around 250-260, which teams want. After gaining weight, he looked terrible at the Combine a la Clarett. He also has virtually no pass rush moves, he just speed rushes literally every play and offers absolutely nothing vs. the run.

                      Originally posted by ThePudge View Post
                      Johnson remains 6'7 266 and capable of running in the very low 4.6s. He has done everything he needed to in order to raise his stock through the Combine and his Pro Day and is generating quite a buzz. Visits have been confirmed with Atlanta, Tampa Bay, Cleveland, and even Washington (who holds only the 13th Pick on the first day.) Those who argue Michael Johnson is unproductive simply set their standards far too high this year as he still recorded 7.0 Sacks 17.5 TFL 7 PD in the ACC in his first year as a full-time starter. Development is needed, he needs to add stamina in game, but he could come in immediately as a 3rd Down pass-rushing specialist and has star potential. I think he is more likely to be drafted in the draft's top round than Gilbert (very slight), Sidbury, and Kruger.
                      Washington is likely looking at Johnson as a trade-down option. Also, those statistics are misleading as they only suggest he made 20-25 good plays this season. It seemed like first and second down were "rest" downs for him from what I watched, and he really only gave a good effort on obvious passing downs. He is more likely to be drafted in the first, agreed, but I doubt he's more likely to succeed.

                      Originally posted by ThePudge View Post
                      Peria Jerry does it consistently on the field, Hood disappears for stretches at a time. I know who works out better, but here, once again, I care more about what is done on the field. Hood is quick, has nice technique, is a penetrator, has a hell of a spin move, has a nice motor, but he is not overly strong, powerful, he's not a master of leverage, is a bit inconsistent and can be nullified for long stretches at a time, and will not fit in some schemes. Hood had quite a solid Senior season very good Senior Bowl, though it does not really match up to Peria Jerry's in either regard. Jerry is compact, strong, quick, athletic, is excellent in getting leverage, and has really made the most out of both his Senior season and pre-draft events (Senior Bowl & Combine.) Despite age, if I were building a team out of scratch I'd take Jerry over Hood.
                      If I were choosing, I'd rather take Hood due to youth + schematic versatility. He could realistically play DT in a 4-3 or DE in a 3-4, and with more teams running mutliple defenses or changing coaches and thus changing schemes, Hood becomes more valuable. Look at the Chiefs - they took Glenn Dorsey for a 4-3 spot, look to be playing more 3-4, and now he's not worth nearly as much. Bet you they're wishing they took someone else (Sedrick Ellis?) there.

                      Originally posted by ThePudge View Post
                      I am going to go ahead and make that projection for Barwin. I see him as a 3-4 Oustide Linebacker or a Strong-side Linebacker in a 4-3 scheme. He is certainly athletic enough to make either move and has responded very well to coaching at all levels. He is a bit undersized, not polished enough as a pass-rusher, and not overly strong for the Defensive End spot. I think he is more than likely drafted to play Linebacker whether in the 3-4 or 4-3.
                      My thing with Barwin is, like you said, project + polish, and also that he didn't do anything until this year. I'd stick with Sintim, as I already know he can play there, whereas Barwin is a risk.

                      Originally posted by ThePudge View Post
                      I honestly just don't see Brian Cushing getting past Green Bay (9), Denver (12), Washington (13), New Orleans (14), and Houston (15) on draft day. That round projection is where I think the player will go factoring in the teams in the area. Take a look at the Big Board for pure value. Cushing happens to be at 16 there.
                      I just don't think he makes enough plays to warrant a selection in the top half of the first round. He's a good player worth a first-round pick towards the end of the round, IMO. He has versatility, strength, and toughness, but gets injured often and lacks speed. His instincts are questionable as well.

                      Originally posted by ThePudge View Post
                      Brinkley should make a fine thumper in a 3-4 scheme. If he could get back to his prior form, he is a much higher value than 119 (the Mid-4th grade I slapped on him.) His Combine workout turned some heads considering most here were expecting a 4.8-4.9 especially after the injuries. A boom-or-bust guy.
                      My question with him wasn't so much the speed (although his 40 time was manufactured speed, not game speed) so much as that he offers virtually nothing in coverage, is a durability concern, and is generally considered to be someone who will have trouble learning an NFL playbook.

                      Originally posted by ThePudge View Post
                      I know you love the workout wonder types, but the truth is Donald Washington really wasn't even a steady starter at Ohio State. Washington was ok, but young Chimdi Chekwa was the better corner. His physical tools are going to allow him to go higher than he should as he should be a late-round guy. I am aware Kiper jumped all over his workout numbers, and I agree his stock is clearly on the rise, but Top 30-40 is nothing short of idiotic. Harris and Mickens both have the college stud, pro #3 look.
                      It depends - Washington is a guy with tons of potential and a decent amount of experience. A coach who doesn't have confidence in his guys to get him acclimated won't take him that high, but I could see it happening. I have him as an early third I believe, although coaches are generally pretty arrogant and I think he goes earlier than that. Harris and Mickens are absolutely #2 cornerbacks in my opinion.

                      Originally posted by ThePudge View Post
                      Funny that Malcolm Jenkins is not fast enough for a Cornerback spot at 4.55 while Macho Harris is at 4.61.
                      I only project players at the position I feel they project best to. Malcolm Jenkins could play cornerback, but he'd be a better safety. I'm not going to rank Herman Johnson with my centers and tackles even though a team could move him there because I feel like he's best as a guard. The same is true for Jenkins.

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                        Originally posted by VoodooMonkey View Post
                        Why so low on D.J. Moore?
                        I'm not low exactly on D.J. Moore as I think he has the chance to be a nice #2 and a good punt returner. I think his size at 5'9 192 kills him by any means really, but I think that combined with average timed speed & troubles against the run will push him down to the 2nd. I think he is a good Mid-2nd Round value that will make a team happy fairly quickly.

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                        • #13
                          You rock. Good stuff.

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                          • #14
                            Top 15 for Cushing? I thought he was more of a late first talent.

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                            • #15
                              I agree with pretty much everything. Awesome work man!

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