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    As you can tell by my post count, I do not post very often, and as a result of time constraints due to grad school obligations I do not have the time needed to follow all of the draft prospects like some of you do. However, I do follow SEC football very closely, and to that end I wanted to add a few thoughts on some of the players I've followed closely over the past several years:

    * I'm simply not a fan of the Stafford pick, and I fail to see his upside. Yes he does have a huge arm, but I've struggled to find many positives with him aside from that. His accuracy is not overly special, his decision-making is quite often bad, his pocket presence isn't the greatest, and now he is going to be stick in an almost impossible situation with arguably the worst organization in all of professional sports. And as a closing point, I'd like to add that I've never put any real merit in the notion that if you don't have a franchise quarterback, don't pass on one. That is, of course, true to an extent -- if we are discussing true franchise quarterbacks, like a Peyton Manning -- but that does not necessarily mean you select who is generally regarded as the best quarterback prospect in a particular draft class, if you do not have a proven star quarterback. Being generally considered as the top prospect in a particular draft class does not mean you are a franchise quarterback, or that you even have a particularly good chance of becoming one.

    * The Tyson Jackson selection at #3 was a bit perplexing to me. He was a good defender at LSU, but he was always surrounded by a ton of talent -- every LSU starting defensive lineman for years on end now has ended up in the NFL -- and his production was never anything overly special. The guy has racked up all of eight sacks over his past twenty-six games at LSU, and while I fully understand that the SEC has a high level of competition, a lot of those sacks came against the East Popcorn States of the world and the bottom of the barrel in terms of SEC offensive tackles. I find it particularly telling that in the Alabama and Ole Miss games of 2008, where those two teams combined to throw over 60 passes, Jackson had a grand total of zero sacks and zero hurries. I don't necessarily think it's a terrible pick, mind you, and I imagine that Jackson turns into a pretty solid player for the Chiefs, but I do not see him performing to the level that will justify the 30+ million he will be guaranteed.

    * From the outset, in the interests of full disclosure, I will say that I am an Alabama graduate, but with that said... I liked the pick of Andre Smith at #6. I know his past couple of months were terrible by any measurement, but he was a great kid the three years prior to that, and he was absolutely dominant. I do think he'll be a good left tackle in the NFL, but even if not there I still see him being a very high quality player somewhere. I think he could play right tackle if needed, and he could be a great guard with his run-blocking abilities as well. Call me a homer if you wish, but I have a hard time seeing Andre Smith not make a pretty big contribution somewhere.

    * Knowshown Moreno was a pick I completely did not get at #12, and at this stage if I'm a Broncos' fan I am seriously questioning the competence of Josh McDaniels. I think Moreno could be a pretty good player in the NFL, but frankly I never saw anything out of him that would justify the massive amount of hype that the CBS sports team put on him every single week. To hear Verne Lundquist tell it, he was the logical extension of the likes of Herschel Walker and Bo Jackson, and I just never saw it. Besides, this one was a head-scratcher to me just because I believe the Broncos could have gotten Moreno even while trading down, just at a lower price tag with more picks in the end.

    * Robert Ayers had a great senior season, and every single Alabama offensive lineman this season said that they had more trouble handling Ayers than any other player they faced all season long. I know that consistency is the big issue with him, but if the Broncos can get him to play like he did this past season in Knoxville, this one will be a very big steal for the Broncos.

    * Percy Harvin is a bit of a reach to me, but oddly the pick makes perfect sense to me. Harvin is no doubt an elite athlete, and arguably the best pure skill athlete in the draft, but he does have some injury concerns in the past, the failed drug test, and several other character issues in the background. Moreover, at least of what I saw of the Gators the past three years, most of the big plays Harvin made seemingly came out of the backfield, and not as a receiver. In the long-term, I think he's just a really risky product. On the other hand, if you are Brad Childress, who cares about the long term? He's fighting to stave off a pink slip, and Harvin's explosiveness in space can really help out a team that is probably guaranteed to see more eight man fronts than any other team in the league.

    * Michael Oher seemed to be a very good fit with the Ravens, and from a personality perspective it just seems to me that he fits in perfectly with the Ravens organization. Either way, you cannot help but be overjoyed for him. If you cannot pull for this guy, something is wrong.

    * Peria Jerry might not be a superstar in the NFL, but he is a pick that I really like. He moves well laterally, and is very stout against the run, but he can also give you a bit of a pass rushing presence on the inside. Again, I'm not sure he'll be a superstar, but as the #24 pick to a team that clearly needs to address their run defense, I think it's a great value pick.

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    I was surprised the Lions did not take Oher with their 2nd 1st round pick.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by OTS View Post

      ...And as a closing point, I'd like to add that I've never put any real merit in the notion that if you don't have a franchise quarterback, don't pass on one. That is, of course, true to an extent -- if we are discussing true franchise quarterbacks, like a Peyton Manning -- but that does not necessarily mean you select who is generally regarded as the best quarterback prospect in a particular draft class, if you do not have a proven star quarterback. Being generally considered as the top prospect in a particular draft class does not mean you are a franchise quarterback, or that you even have a particularly good chance of becoming one.
      So what do you believe the Lions should have done? What QB in college right now do you believe will be labeled as a Manning type - cant miss - franchise QB? Bradford? McCoy? Snead? I'd say no. And if you want to wait even further than that what are the chances that the Lions would finish with the #1 pick that year and be in position to even draft that QB? All it takes is having 1 more win than another team.

      There is no guarantee with any prospect coming out of college. Not even when Peyton Manning came out. There just isnt, so I never buy that argument.

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      • #4
        Stafford was the pick of the litter QB wise and he would've been my pick, I wouldn't have let Oher get passed my 2nd first if I were in charge.

        Based on who came off and when Detroit could've had a starting QB (stafford), DE(brown) and OT(oher) in their first three picks and instead they have a QB, TE and Safety.

        Realistically Detroit could have taken the three I listed and got Johnson tomorrow with the opening 3rd rounder and been far better off IMO than they are at the moment.

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        • #5
          Cool story, bro. I really enjoyed your preface.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by BlindSite View Post
            Stafford was the pick of the litter QB wise and he would've been my pick, I wouldn't have let Oher get passed my 2nd first if I were in charge.

            Based on who came off and when Detroit could've had a starting QB (stafford), DE(brown) and OT(oher) in their first three picks and instead they have a QB, TE and Safety.

            Realistically Detroit could have taken the three I listed and got Johnson tomorrow with the opening 3rd rounder and been far better off IMO than they are at the moment.
            Cliff Avril is going to be big for us. Brown wouldn't make an impact. We drafted 3 starters that were ranked #1 at their position by Scott.

            Oher fell kind of far for a reason, look at the other teams that passed.

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            • #7
              I agree 100% about Andre Smith, I went to Alabama too. The Outland trophy award is not a beauty contest, & I would think any NFL team would want their #1 pick OLT to have an attitude if he's taking on the best speedrushers in the business on 3rd & long.

              I also liked the Oher pick to B-more, he was a steal for them to protect Flacco's big arm from the blindside.

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              • #8
                Ze draft, eet ees not over!

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                • #9
                  Really liked the Andre Smith pick, though not a good place to land as the Bengals really lack leadership and I think he just needs someone who will inspire him to stay working. Talent wise, I have no doubts that he is the best LT and I really like Jason Smith as a human and prospect. Eugene is that rock solid guy that will slip under the radar, but I think he is the 3rd best prospect.

                  As for the Lions, I'm a big fan of their draft so far. Stafford was a pick they had to make, I dont see any QB prospect over the next 2 years that is any better than him, certainly not next year where I can't see a first round grade QB. Stafford has the tools. Now I think Oher would have been a better pick with the 2nd first, but Pettigrew is just about the next best thing, they got their QB and they got him his security blanket. With CJ as a deep and Pettigrew a safety valve, it should make the NFL adjustment as good as they can behind what was never going to be a good line. Delmas is a good safety prospect, with great intangibles, that means they got their leader on both sides of the ball, I think Laurinaitis, Maualaga and Delmas are the 3 guys they had to pick from and that they couldn't go wrong on any of them.


                  Props to BK on the sig!

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                  • #10
                    NFL pedigrees

                    Here's an interesting trend I noticed from going over my draft sheet of the 1st two rds: did you know 4 of the 1st 42 players drafted have an NFL father or brother? It's true, the pedigree gives visibility to scouts :
                    • Pick #25 - Vontae Davis CB to the Fins -- His brother is 9ers TE Vernon Davis
                    • #26 - LB Clay Matthews to the Packers -- His father & uncle played in the NFL
                    • #36 - WR Brian Robiskie to the Browns -- His father was also an NFL WR
                    • #42 - DB Jarius Byrd to the Patriots -- His father was SD Chargers DB Gill Byrd

                    That's almost one out of ten players in this draft with NFL bloodlines.

                    Nationally we're basically a country of family businesses, & for some families, fb is the family business.

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                    • #11
                      any iowa fans know anything about seth olsen?

                      Sig by the sigmaster BoneKrusher. Each one is a masterpiece
                      Originally posted by BaLLiN72
                      i wish NFLDC had something like "wall to wall" where we could see Brodeur and Job's conversations.
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                      NFLDC would be jizzing itself non-stop.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by LizardState View Post
                        Here's an interesting trend I noticed from going over my draft sheet of the 1st two rds: did you know 4 of the 1st 42 players drafted have an NFL father or brother? It's true, the pedigree gives visibility to scouts :
                        • Pick #25 - Vontae Davis CB to the Fins -- His brother is 9ers TE Vernon Davis
                        • #26 - LB Clay Matthews to the Packers -- His father & uncle played in the NFL
                        • #36 - WR Brian Robiskie to the Browns -- His father was also an NFL WR
                        • #42 - DB Jarius Byrd to the Patriots -- His father was SD Chargers DB Gill Byrd

                        That's almost one out of ten players in this draft with NFL bloodlines.

                        Nationally we're basically a country of family businesses, & for some families, fb is the family business.
                        Aaron Curry's father, Reggie Pinkney, played safety for Baltimore (when they were still the Colts) and Detroit.

                        Some other players who have had relatives (including cousins) playing in the league are:

                        - Rashad Jennings
                        - Conredge Collins
                        - Brandon Gibson
                        - Chase Coffman
                        - Cecil Newton Jr.
                        - Peria Jerry
                        - Jarron Gilbert
                        - Darius Butler
                        - Londen Fryar

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by LizardState View Post
                          I also liked the Oher pick to B-more, he was a steal for them to protect Flacco's big arm from the blindside.
                          Flacco is a right hander. He wont be protecting his blind side. Jared Gaither is already doing that, and at a Pro Bowl level. Oher is going to be their RT.

                          That's how NFL teams viewed him. That's why the Lions passed on him. If he was a LT, they would have taken him. Oher will be a RT and he'll solidify that line making the Ravens offensive line one of the best in all of football.
                          Originally posted by Scott Wright
                          I honestly believe Reggie Bush has turned into exactly the type of player I envisioned.
                          Originally posted by PossibleCabbage
                          I would like it if there were more successful black Quarterbacks in the NFL...
                          Originally posted by bearsfan_51
                          iamcandian lives in a cabin in the Yukon Territory and writes letters to railroad barons about the price of hard tack.
                          Originally posted by GatorsBullsFan
                          I could possibly see Matthew Stafford Dropping out of the 1st round
                          Originally posted by GoRavens
                          Tahj Boyd has the best fundamentals of any QB in this class, I think his game translates great to the NFL.

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                          • #14
                            I also follow SEC football, OTS

                            I agree with you thoughts there bud.

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                            Originally posted by killxswitch
                            Bill Polian is cancer wrapped in AIDS delivered in an XXL enema so please don't expect me to disagree with you.

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                            • #15
                              pls delete post
                              Last edited by LizardState; 04-27-2009, 08:57 AM. Reason: dbl post, sorry

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