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  • Originally posted by gpngc View Post
    Myth: Big 12 defenses are terrible.

    Fact: Big 12 offenses are incredible.


    Go back to that Youtube video and look at the Texas Tech defenders at 0:50, 1:05, 1:35, and 1:42.

    The defense can't tackle to save their lives. Or their #2 BCS ranking.

    At 1:42, DeMarco Murray catches a pass at the right hash mark at the line of scrimmage and runs to the left sideline, encountering six defenders who can do nothing but lightly brush a single off-balance hand on his shoulder, like he's a dirty rag they don't want to touch with their dainty fingers.

    Despite the fact he's gone ten yards backwards from the line of scrimmage and the defenders are on a straight line, Murray beats all six to the sideline, perhaps because these geniuses abandoned their angle and tried to chase him down in the backfield.

    Murray heads upfield, where a DB with a perfect angle draws in his arms, turns his body sideways, and attempts to give Murray a side-shoulder bump, just to show him who's boss.

    Another DB right in front of Murray decides to tackle him by stretching over his head and reaching for his waist. When this fails, he decides to jog along with Murray for a bit while holding onto his belt. His buddy comes over to help him with the reacharound. The incident ends when one of the disgusted suitors lets go and Murray runs out of bounds in heartbreak and shame.
    Last edited by SKim172; 05-30-2009, 03:06 PM.

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    • I am a big fan of Sam Bradford. I look at him as an elite pro prospect on par with Stafford and Sanchez, or even better. He is in no way a finished product at this point, but I really like what he has done in two years and I think he is ahead of where Matt Stafford was after 2 years of starting experience. Bradford showed incredible progression from year one to year two. He also showed signifigantly improved arm strength, anticipation, and offensive understanding in his second year. Bradford's body continues to fill out and I am looking forward to see the progression he has made this offseason, and if he continues to improve at this pace I think he is the best player in this draft class.

      His mechanics are somewhat unorthodox and he does not have a cannon, but I love that the ball gets where it needs to go consistently and accurately. He takes the ball from under center far more than other spread option QB's. His footwork and athletic ability are terribly underrated. I also like how he played through the hand injury and subsequent surgery. He wore a cast in his last two games and played incredibly.

      As a leader, Bradford has let it happen naturally and IMO it became clear that the OU team looked to him as their unquestioned leader as the year went on. He is soft spoken, but comes off in interviews as confident, extremely intelligent, and thoughtful, while remaining humble. He is focused on the team and the programs success.

      Like I said, if he continues his progression, I think he is the elite prospect in this draft. While I see that there will be a lot of doubters and detractors, I am clearly in Bradford's corner... and I believe he will take his game to an elite NFL prospect level as the season unfolds.

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      • Originally posted by dabul-master View Post
        If big XII defenses are so terrible why did UF score 24 points only? In case you don't know, that's lower than they scored against EVERY SEC defense. So I don't want to hear the the conference knock on Bradford.
        Using one game/one team to say that Big XII defenses were better than SEC defenses last year is just as dumb as using a limited number of games to say Matt Stafford and Brady Quinn didn't get good protection.


        The problem arises when people use statistics like a drunk uses a lamp post: for support instead of illumination.

        If luck is where preparation meets opportunity, then clutch is where failure meets luck.

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        • Originally posted by Dam8610 View Post
          Using one game/one team to say that Big XII defenses were better than SEC defenses last year is just as dumb as using a limited number of games to say Matt Stafford and Brady Quinn didn't get good protection.
          Hey, if you want to defend your viewpoint that Jay Cutler has been the only pressured high-caliber quarterback prospect in recent memory, fine, but don't take a sideways shot at me like that.

          Stafford's line went to pieces last year. Quinn faced some good teams his senior year and was pressured every time Notre Dame didn't play a team like Army. For comparison's sake, assuming they all have pretty good pocket presence, Quinn was sacked 31 times his senior year, Jay Cutler 23, Matt Ryan 21, Matt Stafford 17. Obviously sacks don't tell you anything explicitly considering they are the result of numerous variables, but it is something, which is more than just your offering of your opinion.

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          • Originally posted by Race for the Heisman View Post
            Hey, if you want to defend your viewpoint that Jay Cutler has been the only pressured high-caliber quarterback prospect in recent memory, fine, but don't take a sideways shot at me like that.

            Stafford's line went to pieces last year. Quinn faced some good teams his senior year and was pressured every time Notre Dame didn't play a team like Army. For comparison's sake, assuming they all have pretty good pocket presence, Quinn was sacked 31 times his senior year, Jay Cutler 23, Matt Ryan 21, Matt Stafford 17. Obviously sacks don't tell you anything explicitly considering they are the result of numerous variables, but it is something, which is more than just your offering of your opinion.
            I believe I addressed your post in a reasonable manner, the post you quoted was a shot at this:

            Originally posted by BigBanger View Post
            Quinn, hate the guy and think he's completely average, but anytime ND actually played someone with a defense, he was pressured all game long. It just so happens ND plays two teams with a defense that rank in the top 50 a year.

            ...

            If you think Matt Stafford had clean pockets then you didn't watch him and you surely didn't see the Alabama or Florida game. They were on national tv.
            Not you. As for the sack numbers, college football stats don't really matter all that much to me, I think watching the games is much more important to the evaluation of a prospect, and Jay Cutler was playing in the SEC on the usual whipping boy team. Most of the time he had to evade a lot of pressure to get the ball off, he was seeing almost the caliber of pressure that NFL teams can bring on a pretty much weekly basis, much closer to it than anything Quinn, Stafford, or just about anyone else you can name (Edwards I'd accept as seeing close to an equal amount of pressure, but no one thought nearly as highly of him as they did of Cutler coming out). Quinn and Stafford might have seen the pressure Cutler saw on a near weekly basis in a game or two of each season, it's much different in terms of how it would prepare a player for the next level. Of course, this is JMO, but I watched a lot of all of them, I saw FAR more clean pockets an MUCH more time for Quinn and Stafford than I did for Cutler.


            The problem arises when people use statistics like a drunk uses a lamp post: for support instead of illumination.

            If luck is where preparation meets opportunity, then clutch is where failure meets luck.

            <Add1ct> setting myself on fire can't be that hard
            <Add1ct> but tackling a mosquito might prove a challenge

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            • Originally posted by Calvin & Kevin View Post
              Na, Rivers has like a three-quarter delivery. He doesn't have that weird pushing-the-ball thing that Bradford does.

              The nearest thing I can think of in recent years is Vince Young, people said that would be no big deal too. Although Young has other issues, and if he was a better QB between the ears maybe his throw wouldn't matter much, I dunno.
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              • Danny Wuerffel

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                • I saw Danny play a lot in Washington under Spurrier, and he's not a 3/4 or sidearm thrower.
                  HE just didn't have an arm period.

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                  • He pushed it. I remember trying to emulate his throwing motion when he was in college and then with the Saints. It's hard! The motion is similar to how a girl throws a baseball...

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                    • Originally posted by SKim172 View Post
                      Teel never lost to Syracuse.
                      This is the nail in the coffin for me as well. Can Clausen please do something to justify the fact that I even know his name?

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                      • Originally posted by CC.SD View Post
                        This is the nail in the coffin for me as well. Can Clausen please do something to justify the fact that I even know his name?
                        Wasn't he an uber-hyped QB prospect from California? Being on this website and from California, that should be enough for you to know his name.


                        The problem arises when people use statistics like a drunk uses a lamp post: for support instead of illumination.

                        If luck is where preparation meets opportunity, then clutch is where failure meets luck.

                        <Add1ct> setting myself on fire can't be that hard
                        <Add1ct> but tackling a mosquito might prove a challenge

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                        • I don't think Bradford currently or will in the future suck.

                          I don't think he is all-pro material at all, but a career Matt Shaub type QB is very respectful IMO and I think that's what Bradford ends up being.
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                          • I have no idea why. But Bradford reminds me of Joey Harrington. But his ceiling is I guess pretty high, like Phillip Rivers, not elite but above average skills.
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                            • Bradford reminds me of a Chad Pennington kind of. His arm strength is questionable, he doesn't make that impressive of throws. His OL was amazing and he had all day to throw in most games. I think the QB in this upcoming draft are overrated, people say how Stafford and Sanchez were products of a weak class but I think people underrate them. They would match up with any of the QBs in next years class in the NFL. Stafford and Sanchez played in prosystems and have made NFL type throws, I think both were very good NFL prospects.

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                              • I don't understand why people say Bradford's arm strength is questionable. He isn't JaMarcus Russell in terms of arm strength but he certainly is not Chad Pennington, even pre-injury Pennington. On a scale of 1-10, 5 being average, Bradford's arm strength is probably about an 8.

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