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  • #61
    Originally posted by the decider13 View Post
    So that has nothing to do with the Big XII offenses? And why are you talking about SEC defenses? Did I ever say they weren't the best?
    No, you didn't say that and I didn't say you did. You did say they were very good, which they're not. Either that or you have very low standards.

    And yes, the offenses have a big impact on the poor defenses since offenses are so spread out that they can dictate the coverages and tie the hands of a D coordinator into playing simple Cover 2 man under schemes that don't bring any pressure or give QBs different looks.

    I was just showing you how much better the SEC is than the Big XII. When you consider Bradford had, by far, the worst game of his career against an SEC defense, which was the only legit defense he faced all year long, it should be something to consider. You don't have to if you don't want to.

    Just consider how much better the SEC is compared to the Big XII. Then consider just how much better the Detroit Lions defense is than the best defenses the college game has to offer.

    Bradford is going to see defensive packages he's never seen before because his system creates so many easy match ups. He's not going to have those easy reads with one-on-one match ups all game long. He is underdeveloped. It's not his fault. It's the system. It kills the growth of a QB.
    Originally posted by Scott Wright
    I honestly believe Reggie Bush has turned into exactly the type of player I envisioned.
    Originally posted by PossibleCabbage
    I would like it if there were more successful black Quarterbacks in the NFL...
    Originally posted by bearsfan_51
    iamcandian lives in a cabin in the Yukon Territory and writes letters to railroad barons about the price of hard tack.
    Originally posted by GatorsBullsFan
    I could possibly see Matthew Stafford Dropping out of the 1st round
    Originally posted by GoRavens
    Tahj Boyd has the best fundamentals of any QB in this class, I think his game translates great to the NFL.

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    • #62
      I will say this about that Youtube clip - that Texas Tech defense can't run or tackle for their lives.

      Originally posted by BigBanger View Post
      I have wasted a lot of time in the past watching top rated QBs, only to find huge flaws in their game, and the bash the living hell out of them...I'm gonna let it be known.
      Prophesy, oh great Nostramus, prophesy! No more shalt thy keen witness be fettered! No more shalt thou words be silenced! Sing! Tell us mere mortals of the heralds of doom and grant us your dire warning!

      Because everyone is WRONG and only YOU are special enough to see it.


      And hell, I kinda agree with you. I really like Sam Bradford and want him to do well. But with an objective eye, no, I don't think he's a first round talent and he leaves me with a lot of questions. I agree with the vast majority of your points - I think you're right about his accuracy, but for the wrong reasons.

      What I think is his biggest problem for the NFL is his throwing style. And I don't mean the sidearm. I like the sidearm. I don't know what all the fuss is about the sidearm.

      What I mean is the way he's always throwing flat-footed. Barely any torque from the hips. He's throwing purely with his arm. And to generate the power, he doesn't extend his arm in his release, but instead sorta whips his forearm over his elbow and his wrist over his forearm. It's a quick, compact throwing motion, yes, but the ball speed's just way too slow.

      He puts more hip into the throw on deep passes, but these seem to be his most inaccurate and he seems to struggle to get the ball out there.

      These two things, I think, are the reasons for his occasional inaccuracy. On short passes, he's very accurate, but anywhere over fifteen yards, he seems to have problems.

      He definitely stares down his receivers. He's making the read before the snap and working out the timing for the receiver he knows he'll throw to. He shows difficulty reading the field.

      Also, I don't like his footwork and occasionally seems oblivious to pressure.

      Besides the NC game against Florida, I'd suggest watching the Fiesta Bowl against West Virginia. WVU absolutely dominated that game and Bradford looked completely lost. WVU's defense is a weird one and Bradford seemed unable to make sense of it. And man, he got sacked like crazy.
      Last edited by SKim172; 05-25-2009, 10:24 PM.

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      • #63
        Originally posted by Dam8610 View Post
        I watched your video earlier, I saw 5 NFL caliber throws in it, of which Bradford completed 3 in very impressive fashion:

        1) Comeback route to the sideline, incomplete.
        2) Double coverage on Gresham, Bradford splits the double and puts the ball in Gresham's breadbasket.
        3) Seam route to Gresham in 1-on-1 coverage, Bradford places the ball perfectly so that only Gresham has a shot at it, goes for a TD.
        4) Deep post to Manuel Johnson, Bradford hits it in stride, goes for a TD as a result. Bradford places that throw any differently, it's an incompletion, interception, or best case, a catch for a long gain but no TD.
        5) Comeback route to the sideline, incomplete.

        As for your criticism that he dumps off too much, the Colts throw to their RBs in the flats a lot, and the Patriots run a ton of WR screens, does that make Peyton Manning and Tom Brady terrible QBs?
        I didn't see some of those throws as impressive. He didn't make one NFL read the entire game and he stairs down each and every target and hits his first option on almost every pass attempt (unless he dumps it off to the RB). With that said, I'll go through the NFL caliber throws since he didn't make one NFL read. This is what scares me the most with Bradford and most people probably don't know how big of a concern it is, but he went an entire game without making one NFL read. Stafford didn't go a quarter without making an NFL read. He probably didn't go back-to-back drives without making and NFL read.

        1. 12 seconds -- 9 route goes incomplete. Tight coverage on the outside. One-on-one. NFL pass attempt. High level of difficulty. Over threw target by about 5 yards.

        2. 20 seconds -- 17 yard come back. Very tight coverage. Incomplete. Highest level of difficulty on any throw of the game. NFL throw. Actually a good thing that it went incomplete. Bad thing... arm strength? I wont answer that for you. I'll let you and everyone else make of that what you will.

        3. 1:22 -- Seem route to Gresham. Dropped. Excellent ball placement and split the CB and S. Coverage wasn't tight and Gresham was open. Low level of difficulty. Gresham drops an easy TD. For those who don't know. Germain drops a lot of passes (had two drops in this game alone).

        4. 2:25 -- Deep post. TD. Very good ball, around 45 yards in the air. Coverage was very poor. No safety help. Low level of difficulty.

        5. 2:43 -- 15 yard come back from the middle of the field on the move. NFL Throw. Anticipated his first throw of the game and threw to a spot. Fairly high level of difficulty. Target was open. Threw it short. Incomplete. Arm strength?


        Of those 5 throws. Only 3 were difficult in my book. All 3 went incomplete.

        The Gresham TD was a blown coverage by the LB. He was uncovered and the safety came over way too late. Wide open. Not really what I would call an NFL throw. I mean, there has to be coverage. Someone has to be covering the guy.

        I also don't know what pass you're talking about with Gresham into double coverage. He's hardly ever single covered in this game. He had a couple catches that were easy pitch and catch plays. About 15 yard pass that went for about 40 yards (30 seconds in). The other was 37 seconds in where Gresham sits down in a zone between a MLB and an OLB and makes the catch. This is a very easy pitch and catch. About a 7 yard pass.
        Originally posted by Scott Wright
        I honestly believe Reggie Bush has turned into exactly the type of player I envisioned.
        Originally posted by PossibleCabbage
        I would like it if there were more successful black Quarterbacks in the NFL...
        Originally posted by bearsfan_51
        iamcandian lives in a cabin in the Yukon Territory and writes letters to railroad barons about the price of hard tack.
        Originally posted by GatorsBullsFan
        I could possibly see Matthew Stafford Dropping out of the 1st round
        Originally posted by GoRavens
        Tahj Boyd has the best fundamentals of any QB in this class, I think his game translates great to the NFL.

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        • #64
          I'm not nearly as astute as you, Belichick, but I can spell "stares", "seam", and "Jermaine" correctly. Can I also e-flex now?

          The top quarterbacks every year get nit-picked to an incredible degree, and it seems Bradford's turn is starting extra early. But hey, no QB ever develops past their 2nd starting year in college, so Bradford's worthless.
          Last edited by srv fan; 05-25-2009, 10:59 PM.
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          • #65
            Brady Quinn looked average? Enlighten por favor.

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            • #66
              Originally posted by JeffSamardzijaIRISH View Post
              Brady Quinn looked average? Enlighten por favor.
              I debated Brady Quinn for over a year. I'm done bashing him and I'm not going to get into that.

              Until he proves me wrong (second round caliber QB), I'm not going to talk about him. Right now he's disappointing me and not living up to my expectations and my expectations were lower than most. He should be a capable starter.
              Originally posted by Scott Wright
              I honestly believe Reggie Bush has turned into exactly the type of player I envisioned.
              Originally posted by PossibleCabbage
              I would like it if there were more successful black Quarterbacks in the NFL...
              Originally posted by bearsfan_51
              iamcandian lives in a cabin in the Yukon Territory and writes letters to railroad barons about the price of hard tack.
              Originally posted by GatorsBullsFan
              I could possibly see Matthew Stafford Dropping out of the 1st round
              Originally posted by GoRavens
              Tahj Boyd has the best fundamentals of any QB in this class, I think his game translates great to the NFL.

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              • #67
                Originally posted by srv fan View Post
                The top quarterbacks every year get nit-picked to an incredible degree, and it seems Bradford's turn is starting extra early.
                The Detroit Lions sign Matthew Stafford to a six-year 78 million dollar deal with 41.7 million guaranteed.
                Well thank god for nit-picking. Taking a top QB is kind of a big deal high in the draft is kind of a big deal.

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                • #68
                  Originally posted by BigBanger View Post
                  Some people thought that worthless little ****, Colt Brennan was the exception and would be a first round pick even though he has horrible arm strength and very low delivery.
                  I thought this was uncalled for.

                  And credit DraftParty, the greatest youtube channel of all-time, for the video in your first post.
                  save Freeman

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                  • #69
                    It's not that top picks shouldn't be nitpicked, it's just that many fans have become irrationally afraid of QB's and act as if other positions are always safe. I really have no idea about Bradford at this point, but people were really digging deep for reasons to not like Ryan and Stafford. Often people were just pulling criticisms from thin air that were totally invalid.

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                    • #70
                      Not gonna bash you or anything BigBanger because you do make some good points. I just have some questions as a Rams fan:

                      1. The Rams are installing a WCO. If they stink it up this upcoming season and are in line to draft him, does the fact that their system relies on quick reads and accuracy (Bradfords strengths) and not a really big arm (Bradfords weakness), does this make the transition to the NFL easier for him? I basically mean, will his success be optimized to the max in our offense?
                      2. I would like to know how you have the eligible QBs for the draft ranked this season based on this analysis. From what I can tell, you probably have Snead ranked ahead of him don't you?
                      3. If you would take Bradford in the fourth round, where would you take McCoy (who I'm not a big fan of)?

                      The one thing I will say is you talk about some of his negatives like level of competition and system, then I guess you must have had Joe Flacco as going undrafted.
                      Last edited by Bald_81; 05-26-2009, 03:18 AM.

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                      • #71
                        All you've proven IMO is that a QB who has the vision to find an open man, no matter how he got open, is a 4th round talent. Not disagreeing with you that he's overrated. I just think you could support it with better analysis.

                        Also...if you call someone a 4th round talent and they actually get drafted in the 4th round, it doesn't always mean that they're actually a 4th round talent. That's like saying Ryan Leaf is a 1st round talent and Tom Brady is a 6th round talent. Everyone and anyone who said Ryan Leaf is a 1st round talent would be considered a scouting genius with these low standards.
                        Last edited by whatadai; 05-26-2009, 05:23 AM.

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                        • #72
                          Originally posted by BigBanger View Post
                          I debated Brady Quinn for over a year. I'm done bashing him and I'm not going to get into that.

                          Until he proves me wrong (second round caliber QB), I'm not going to talk about him. Right now he's disappointing me and not living up to my expectations and my expectations were lower than most. He should be a capable starter.
                          he's played 1 game in the pro's without a broken hand and looked great in that game, so far the things are looking bad for you in that respect. To a certain degree i agree with you on bradford. I would like to see how he copes with the departure of that rediculous OLine in front of him. If he copes well and has a year similar to last year he deserves top 10 talk, right now he is a late first rounder to me.


                          Saints 2014 draft wish list:
                          - No pass rusher till the fourth round (or preferably at all)
                          - Corner or Wideout in the first
                          - No reaching
                          - No Kelvin Benjamin

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                          • #73
                            did he just diss Colt Brennan? That's just wrong.

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                            • #74
                              sam bradford sucks?
                              WTF is wrong with you people..
                              Hating on a guy because he mastered his offense really isn't a good argument.
                              What's wrong with a 6'4 220 QB with pinpoint accuracy thats extremely poised under pressure?
                              All of you chumps are overthinking his game. Sure he throws a lot of short passes, but what fuckinNFL QB doesn't?
                              Sam Bradford is a great QB, he's smart, knows how to manage a game, plays cool, and can make any throw he wants to.

                              Go Celtics
                              Go Irish
                              Go Ravens

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                              • #75
                                If people are expecting OU's offensive line to be significantly worse next year, I wouldn't hold my breath.

                                Granted they won't have the same amount of playing experience, but when's the last time their front five was subpar?
                                I can't imagine Braford will deal with much more pass rush pressure than he did the last two years.

                                The biggest transition will be at the WR spots, but even there I expect everyone to be up to speed in 5 games. Besides, with a QB like Bradford, if they can catch and run the proper routes, the ball will be there.

                                Lastly, on the subject of arm strength, some have noted he throws many balls with his upper body with very little push from his legs. This is a mechanical problem, a poor habit that can be coached and improved upon, IMO.

                                So wouldn''t this mean Bradford has the ability to play with a stronger throwing arm following improvements in his technique?

                                I know that SKins HC Jim Zorn has stated in interviews that Colt Brennan(!!) has a much stronger arm after one year in the Skins offseason weight training program, and has made significant improvements in his throwing style.
                                (Don't know what the last part means because he still has that 3/4-sidearm motion).

                                Not comparing the two, just making the point that one of Bradford's negatives, pedestrian arm strength, may not be as big a weakness as many people once thought.

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