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  • #76
    Mike Teel> Matt Stafford>BigBanger
    We ALL bleed scarlet
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    UNITED: I actually attend the college I root for
    Originally posted by PalmerToCJ
    BTW, if it's 3rd and 97... I'm throwing a screen pass to Brian Leonard and he will convert.

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    • #77
      I don't disagree with the OP, here. I really don't like Bradford in the first round. He seems like a 4th round QB to me. Why is he projected #1 Overall and Erik Ainge went in the late-5th? And Ainge was/is better at the areas that are considered Bradford's strengths.

      In the 2009 draft, Bradford was an easy first round pick because the QB class sucked. In 2010, the QB crop is very strong. Guys like Hiller, Smith, Hall, McCoy, Sneed, and a boat load of others are all contenders for the #1 QB status.

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      • #78
        I can't tell if some of the people in this thread are serious or not. I mean did nepg just basically say that Erik Ainge was more accurate and could read defenses better than Bradford? Really?

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        • #79
          Yes, I did. And he got it done in a pro style offense against the toughest defenses in college football.

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          • #80
            It's funny you said he's mentally underdeveloped because I've always thought he looked special.

            And LOL at the chat.
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            • #81
              Originally posted by Calvin & Kevin View Post
              The one thing that really worries me about Bradford is the weird sidearm delivery. That stuff doesn't fly in the NFL. Name me the last QB with a delivery like that to be any good.

              Watching Bradford on video, his sidearm delivery results in a lot of passes that are looped in there or thrown with lots of air under them. In the OU system, as was pointed out here, he had lots and lots of plays where he could throw passes like that to open areas and have wide open receivers running under them. In the NFL he will almost never have that.

              I know he's also capable of throwing balls with some zip on them too, but again Banger is right in saying that those are generally in short to medium zones only.

              I'm not going so far as to call Bradford a fourth-round pick, but it blew my mind in this recent draft to hear certain Lions fans say that Bradford would have been picked ahead of Stafford if he'd come out this year. That's ridiculous.



              Anyone else see Jeff Garcia in Sam Bradford?

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              • #82
                Originally posted by scottyboy View Post
                Mike Teel> Matt Stafford>BigBanger
                Mike Teels a little sissy boy, get over it

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                • #83
                  Originally posted by Mr. Stiller View Post
                  Anyone else see Jeff Garcia in Sam Bradford?
                  Bradford is not any where near Garcia in terms of mobility.

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                  • #84
                    I personally hope that Bradford proves his doubters wrong after reading this thread. He certainly doesn't suck at what he does - operate a college offense. Personally I think he has a lot of question marks too, but it's not his fault that he has great playmakers around him, or that his offensive system is considered "gimmicky", or that he faced a few questionable defenses. That just means, throw the stats out the window.

                    He still has two years of eligibility left and that is plenty of time to work out the kinks in his game. I think he is kinda similar to Rivers, but they are in completely different sitations. Rivers wasn't even considered a sure first rounder until the middle of his fifth season in college.

                    I think Bradford should definitely become a gym rat and try to get his body thicker and stronger to take those hits. No more playing golf in the offseason.
                    Last edited by San Diego Chicken; 05-26-2009, 02:19 PM.
                    aka KGB Chicken

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                    • #85
                      Originally posted by Bald_81 View Post
                      Not gonna bash you or anything BigBanger because you do make some good points. I just have some questions as a Rams fan:

                      1. The Rams are installing a WCO. If they stink it up this upcoming season and are in line to draft him, does the fact that their system relies on quick reads and accuracy (Bradfords strengths) and not a really big arm (Bradfords weakness), does this make the transition to the NFL easier for him? I basically mean, will his success be optimized to the max in our offense?
                      2. I would like to know how you have the eligible QBs for the draft ranked this season based on this analysis. From what I can tell, you probably have Snead ranked ahead of him don't you?
                      3. If you would take Bradford in the fourth round, where would you take McCoy (who I'm not a big fan of)?

                      The one thing I will say is you talk about some of his negatives like level of competition and system, then I guess you must have had Joe Flacco as going undrafted.
                      1. I don't know the Rams system, but any system that is going to play to Bradford's strengths... quick reads and quick throws is going to benefit him. I don't think he can throw the ball to the sideline though. He doesn't have the arm to make a throw from one hash to the sideline, which is a very long throw that takes a lot of arm strength. Why I have him as a 4th rounder is because of the time and development he's going to have to go through. Could he be a starter? Yeah, but I don't want to take him in round 1 and expect him to be my guy in year one or even year two or three.

                      2. From the QBs I've seen, none of them do anything for me. McCoy is also a 4th rounder in my book. Tebow is closer to a 5th rounder. Bradford has more potential than both of those guys. Right now I have Bradford as a 4th rounder with two years of playing under his belt. He can only go up in my book. I wont have him any lower unless he surprises everyone and stinks it up.

                      3. I'll give you a little scouting report on McCoy. McShay putting him in the top 10 is just stupid. It isn't going to happen.

                      He makes Bradford's arm look good. He has a Colt Brennan-esque sidearm delivery and since he doesn't have the size Bradford does, it's going to be a problem where it's not for Bradford. His mechanics are really bad and his footwork is going to be something that kills him, especially going from shotgun to under center. He's a much bigger project than Bradford. Texas coaching is atrocious. They have the rawest players in the country whether they're at DL or at QB (Orakpo the most recent). McCoy is a great college QB. Better than Bradford in my opinion, but he's also in one of those Big XII systems that creates very easy reads and easy throws. He's a project that's going to need a lot of time sitting on the bench and learning the system and doing all the work at the NFL level he should be doing now. Right now he's a fourth rounder in my book, but he could fall even lower than that for me. Even though I have both as 4th rounders, the difference between the two is very large since I see a lot more potential with Bradford than I do with McCoy. I don't expect to end up having them with the same grade by the end of the year. He does have great mobility and very good speed and athleticism. He can make a lot of things happen with his feet, but he looks to run when he's scrambling more than pass, so he's not Matt Ryan.

                      The thing I see with McCoy that I don't see with Bradford is a consistency to attempt more difficult throws and he completes a very high percentage of those throws. He does have very good accuracy and a very quick release. He will stick the ball into very tight zones pretty consistently. The big issue comes back to his arm strength. He gets away with a lot of throws in college he wont be able to at the next level where he just barely sticks a ball in that's nearly picked off. The NFL... it's INT not a completion. Even though he has as much physical ability and much more mobility, he doesn't have the same kind of NFL potential Sam Bradford does.


                      Sneed is by far the most talented QB that could be in next years class. From all the QBs I've seen, it's not close. He has more potential than just about everyone else. With that said, he's not anywhere near the level of Mark Sanchez, but he is going to get a lot better.

                      The Ohio State QB, Pryor, is a bigger, more talented version of Colt McCoy with a lot more potential.
                      Last edited by BigBanger; 05-26-2009, 04:37 PM.
                      Originally posted by Scott Wright
                      I honestly believe Reggie Bush has turned into exactly the type of player I envisioned.
                      Originally posted by PossibleCabbage
                      I would like it if there were more successful black Quarterbacks in the NFL...
                      Originally posted by bearsfan_51
                      iamcandian lives in a cabin in the Yukon Territory and writes letters to railroad barons about the price of hard tack.
                      Originally posted by GatorsBullsFan
                      I could possibly see Matthew Stafford Dropping out of the 1st round
                      Originally posted by GoRavens
                      Tahj Boyd has the best fundamentals of any QB in this class, I think his game translates great to the NFL.

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                      • #86
                        Tebow for Heisman. Don't drag him through Bradford's mud.

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                        • #87
                          I understand that you don't like Bradford, but to say a guy who just won the Heisman and is still in college is a overdoing it a smidge, no?

                          I'd take him to run a WCO.

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                          • #88
                            Originally posted by Sniper View Post
                            I understand that you don't like Bradford, but to say a guy who just won the Heisman and is still in college is a overdoing it a smidge, no?

                            I'd take him to run a WCO.
                            He shouldn't have won the Heisman. He was one of three finalists. The other two guys both outplayed him that same season. It has to be a Heisman first.

                            He's not as good as people say he is. He doesn't suck, but he's just not as good as people are saying.

                            I don't think he'll drop like Colt or Andre Woodson, but for the sake of having another bust in the first round, hopefully he pulls a Brady Quinn or Brian Brohm.

                            All I'm saying is that once people (scouts) start to scout this guy, you'll hear people start talking rather negatively about him. You can watch an entire game (like the one on the first page) and not see one NFL caliber play from him. That's going to be a problem.
                            Last edited by BigBanger; 05-26-2009, 05:02 PM.
                            Originally posted by Scott Wright
                            I honestly believe Reggie Bush has turned into exactly the type of player I envisioned.
                            Originally posted by PossibleCabbage
                            I would like it if there were more successful black Quarterbacks in the NFL...
                            Originally posted by bearsfan_51
                            iamcandian lives in a cabin in the Yukon Territory and writes letters to railroad barons about the price of hard tack.
                            Originally posted by GatorsBullsFan
                            I could possibly see Matthew Stafford Dropping out of the 1st round
                            Originally posted by GoRavens
                            Tahj Boyd has the best fundamentals of any QB in this class, I think his game translates great to the NFL.

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                            • #89
                              Originally posted by lordquas View Post
                              Hating on a guy because he mastered his offense really isn't a good argument.
                              Well, when that offense involves making one read per play and two on occasion, it doesn't bode well for him as an NFL prospect.

                              Originally posted by lordquas View Post
                              What's wrong with a 6'4 220 QB with pinpoint accuracy thats extremely poised under pressure?
                              What pressure? Bradford had more time than almost anyone in college football last year.

                              Originally posted by lordquas View Post
                              All of you chumps are overthinking his game. Sure he throws a lot of short passes, but what fuckinNFL QB doesn't?
                              Throwing around profanity makes you more right, you know. So good job on that point. The basic facts are NFL QBs make 3 to 4 reads per play routinely. This is not unusual. I've never seen Bradford make more than two. He stares down his targets and has all day to do it. Taking six seconds to make one read is a lot easier than taking three seconds to make three reads.

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                              • #90
                                Originally posted by Staubach12 View Post
                                What pressure? Bradford had more time than almost anyone in college football last year.
                                Against Texas he had no time at all. He had a great game anyway and showed great mobility.

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