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  • Originally posted by abaddon41_80 View Post
    He isn't as fast as White but he isn't slow, he has been clocked in the 4.4's in the 40. He is a much better passer than White, imo, and is more powerful so he can offer more versatility in short yardage situations.
    Link? There's no way Tebow runs a 4.4

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    • Originally posted by Sniper View Post
      Link? There's no way Tebow runs a 4.4
      It was in the local paper when he was playing at Nease that he ran a 4.48. It was probably hand-timed, though.

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      • I agree that sometimes prospects help other prospects based on their success in the NFL. But they have to be similar in styles. Like Hester's success helping Ginn's stock, but Ginn sucking hurt DeSean Jackson's stock. White & Tebow couldnt be anymore different, so it means nothing what round White was reached on. As of now, Tebow is the best fullback prospect we have ever seen. Take it for what it's worth.

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        • I'd be shocked if Tebow ran in the 4.5 range even to be honest. If I remember correctly, Vince Young ran around 4.6 at his pro day.
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          • I don't even like Tebow that much, he is currently my 4th quarterback for next year, but I am just saying he could go in the first round.

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            • Basing all the information we have on Tebow right now, three years of experience and two as a starter, he is a backup QB at best that will need years of development to garner a #2 role for a team. He has a long delivery and average arm strength. His hips and feet are going to need a lot of time with a QB coach to strengthen his arm and create more zip on his passes. He, like Bradford and McCoy, throws with all arm and no lower body. Now, with another year of development at the college level he could improve on his reads, which are better and more sophisticated than Sam Bradford at this point in time, but that's not saying much. Tebow will actually look off a safety and come back to the other side of the field and throw the ball to an open man. He will actually move a safety with his eyes. Bradford rarely does that and he's very inaccurate when he's not staring his WRs down. Tebow is used to seeing more complex defenses that create different looks specifically for him. The zone coverages he sees aren't those conventional Cover 2 zone under schemes.

              All these QBs have a lot of growing to do. A major reason why there seems to be fewer and fewer NFL caliber QBs coming out of the college ranks is because of these one read systems and spread offenses. Floirda's system creates a lot problems for Tebow as a prospect. He's never under center for one and his reads are rather simple, but he did make big improvements last year as a pocket passer and going through his progressions. He does hold the ball for a long time and struggles to find a man if his first two options are covered.

              People need to stop talking about his speed and him being a TE. He's not fast or athletic. He doesn't have very good quickness or cutting ability nor the ability to make anyone miss in the open field. He's never played TE. He's never blocked for a RB. He's a QB. Just because he's a prolific player that will take a long time to be a legit NFL QB doesn't mean NFL teams have to write him off and stick him at another position. Coach the ******* kid up and see if he can be a capable starter. He's not going to be all world. If everyone just gets that out of their heads and drafts him in the 4th or 5th round as a developmental guy that will be your third string QB for at least the next three years, maybe then you can have some success with Tebow if he takes to the coaching, learns the system and achieves his potential. If he doesn't work out, then it's no big deal. Not all developmental guys work out. If he moves up your depth chart and shows signs of being a starter in four years, then all that time can pay off. If you draft him in the second round and stick him at another position it's going to be a waste of time and you'll have a bust on your hands.

              I really do question his leadership skills at the next level. I love his passion for the game and he can lead a team by example. He's a great leader at the college level, but I don't how NFL players are going to react to this kid and his praise Jesus Christ mentality and his squeaky-clean, virginal image. I don't know what kind of vocal presence he will have in a locker room of men. He makes me roll my eyes whenever he talks, but he pumps me up when he's on the field. I'm a huge fan of his, but I can't take him seriously when he talks and he does come off as a bit of joke.

              He needs so much coaching that no one knows how good or bad of a QB he can or will be at the next level. Since he has all these questions surrounding his game, his value as a prospect drops to the fourth or fifth round range. You could find a future starter or a guy who never makes it as a QB and does make a position change if he's ever going to make it. He shouldn't be a boom or bust prospect, he's a boom or nothing prospect.
              Last edited by BigBanger; 05-27-2009, 07:57 PM.
              Originally posted by Scott Wright
              I honestly believe Reggie Bush has turned into exactly the type of player I envisioned.
              Originally posted by PossibleCabbage
              I would like it if there were more successful black Quarterbacks in the NFL...
              Originally posted by bearsfan_51
              iamcandian lives in a cabin in the Yukon Territory and writes letters to railroad barons about the price of hard tack.
              Originally posted by GatorsBullsFan
              I could possibly see Matthew Stafford Dropping out of the 1st round
              Originally posted by GoRavens
              Tahj Boyd has the best fundamentals of any QB in this class, I think his game translates great to the NFL.

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              • Originally posted by Dam8610 View Post
                Most top QB prospects don't face much pressure in college. In fact, in recent memory, the only QB prospect I can think of that had faced a ton of pressure often is Jay Cutler. Obviously the more a QB can prove himself under pressure in college, the less that's a question heading to the pros, that said, considering it wasn't a question mark for one top QB prospect in recent memory, maybe it's a good thing that he hasn't faced a ton of pressure.
                Hello, Matt Ryan? Brady Quinn? Trent Edwards, if you go down a little bit. Jimmy Clausen might be there this/next year. You could make a case for Stafford if you tried hard enough.

                Whether the lack of sacks on Bradford is due to the offensive line, him, or the system is something I would leave up to debate, but Cutler is hardly the only top guy to have been pressed a bit in his collegiate career.

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                • Originally posted by Race for the Heisman View Post
                  Hello, Matt Ryan? Brady Quinn? Trent Edwards, if you go down a little bit. Jimmy Clausen might be there this/next year. You could make a case for Stafford if you tried hard enough.

                  Whether the lack of sacks on Bradford is due to the offensive line, him, or the system is something I would leave up to debate, but Cutler is hardly the only top guy to have been pressed a bit in his collegiate career.
                  Ryan had 5 drafted OLs in his time at BC, Quinn got plenty of clean pockets, and Edwards wasn't really considered a Top QB prospect. No good QB prospect that I've ever watched saw as much pressure as Cutler did.


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                  • Originally posted by abaddon41_80 View Post
                    Now right now. If Tebow works on his mechanics, develops a throwing motion that isn't a cross between Vince Young's and Byron Leftwich's, and plays smarter I could see him being a first round QB. He has all of the physical tools. Even if he doesn't fix up his problems, if Pat White got drafted in round 2, what is to say that Tebow can't get drafted for a wildcat offense that early?
                    sure, and IF Jabu Lovelace learns how to throw with any accuracy, read a defense, look off safeties and know how to throw at all from the QB position, he'd easily be a high pick for the wildcat.

                    see what I did there?

                    that and i never questioned where Tebow will go. Just having him as the #2 QB is insane and nonsensical
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                    • Originally posted by Race for the Heisman View Post
                      Hello, Matt Ryan? Brady Quinn? Trent Edwards, if you go down a little bit. Jimmy Clausen might be there this/next year. You could make a case for Stafford if you tried hard enough.
                      You could make a case for Stafford? Is this a joke?

                      You think he got into the habit of throwing off his back because he had a pocket like Sam Bradford?


                      Get Jimmy Clausen' name outta there. Garbage. Freaking ND sucks with a terrible QB and people still talk about their QB like he's ever done something or shown he might be able to do something. Let him have a couple of good games in college before we start talking about him as a pro prospect. Minga.
                      Originally posted by Scott Wright
                      I honestly believe Reggie Bush has turned into exactly the type of player I envisioned.
                      Originally posted by PossibleCabbage
                      I would like it if there were more successful black Quarterbacks in the NFL...
                      Originally posted by bearsfan_51
                      iamcandian lives in a cabin in the Yukon Territory and writes letters to railroad barons about the price of hard tack.
                      Originally posted by GatorsBullsFan
                      I could possibly see Matthew Stafford Dropping out of the 1st round
                      Originally posted by GoRavens
                      Tahj Boyd has the best fundamentals of any QB in this class, I think his game translates great to the NFL.

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                      • Originally posted by Dam8610 View Post
                        Ryan had 5 drafted OLs in his time at BC, Quinn got plenty of clean pockets, and Edwards wasn't really considered a Top QB prospect. No good QB prospect that I've ever watched saw as much pressure as Cutler did.
                        Ryan had garbage around him and his O-Line sucked the only two years that mattered.

                        Quinn, hate the guy and think he's completely average, but anytime ND actually played someone with a defense, he was pressured all game long. It just so happens ND plays two teams with a defense that rank in the top 50 a year.

                        Trent Edwards and Jay Cutler played for schools that didn't have their sites on winning football games. More academic schools. Jay Culter had Chris Williams though? He had some clean pockets.

                        If you think Matt Stafford had clean pockets then you didn't watch him and you surely didn't see the Alabama or Florida game. They were on national tv.
                        Last edited by BigBanger; 05-27-2009, 11:03 PM.
                        Originally posted by Scott Wright
                        I honestly believe Reggie Bush has turned into exactly the type of player I envisioned.
                        Originally posted by PossibleCabbage
                        I would like it if there were more successful black Quarterbacks in the NFL...
                        Originally posted by bearsfan_51
                        iamcandian lives in a cabin in the Yukon Territory and writes letters to railroad barons about the price of hard tack.
                        Originally posted by GatorsBullsFan
                        I could possibly see Matthew Stafford Dropping out of the 1st round
                        Originally posted by GoRavens
                        Tahj Boyd has the best fundamentals of any QB in this class, I think his game translates great to the NFL.

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                        • Originally posted by BigBanger View Post
                          Ryan had garbage around him and his O-Line sucked the only two years that mattered.

                          Quinn, hate the guy and think he's completely average, but anytime ND actually played someone with a defense, he was pressured all game long. It just so happens ND plays two teams with a defense that rank in the top 50 a year.

                          Trent Edwards and Jay Cutler played for schools that didn't have their sites on winning football games. More academic schools. Jay Culter had Chris Williams though? He had some clean pockets.

                          If you think Matt Stafford had clean pockets then you didn't watch him and you surely didn't see the Alabama or Florida game. They were on national tv.
                          Gosder Cherilus and Josh Beekman were on Ryan's lines. They're far from grabage.


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                          • Originally posted by princefielder28 View Post
                            Gosder Cherilus and Josh Beekman were on Ryan's lines. They're far from grabage.
                            He was playing LT... and he sucked.

                            Beekman wasn't there for his senior year, which is the year that got him drafted as high as he went (3rd overall), so his blocking in Chicago was not felt during Ryans best year.

                            Anymore brain busters?

                            There is no point debating how crappy the players were around Ryan. They were bad. He had one NFL player beside him on that offense (senior year) and he had the worst year of his college career because he (Cherlius) was playing out position. So... let's just leave that one alone.
                            Last edited by BigBanger; 05-28-2009, 12:39 AM.
                            Originally posted by Scott Wright
                            I honestly believe Reggie Bush has turned into exactly the type of player I envisioned.
                            Originally posted by PossibleCabbage
                            I would like it if there were more successful black Quarterbacks in the NFL...
                            Originally posted by bearsfan_51
                            iamcandian lives in a cabin in the Yukon Territory and writes letters to railroad barons about the price of hard tack.
                            Originally posted by GatorsBullsFan
                            I could possibly see Matthew Stafford Dropping out of the 1st round
                            Originally posted by GoRavens
                            Tahj Boyd has the best fundamentals of any QB in this class, I think his game translates great to the NFL.

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                            • Originally posted by Brent View Post
                              Bradford is not any where near Garcia in terms of mobility.
                              Wasn't really comparing their mobility but moreso their mechanics and size/builds and style of play (Agreed that Bradford isn't as mobile).

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                              • Originally posted by BigBanger View Post
                                He was playing LT... and he sucked.

                                Beekman wasn't there for his senior year, which is the year that got him drafted as high as he went (3rd overall), so his blocking in Chicago was not felt during Ryans best year.

                                Anymore brain busters?

                                There is no point debating how crappy the players were around Ryan. They were bad. He had one NFL player beside him on that offense (senior year) and he had the worst year of his college career because he (Cherlius) was playing out position. So... let's just leave that one alone.
                                Cherilus played 1 year at LT. 3 years at RT, where he demolished people.

                                Beekman was another great OG, and is doing well in the pro's.

                                They had a 6'7/6'8 LT for 2 years before Gosder and he was actually pretty solid, he wasn't athletic enough for LT in the pro's but he did much better than Gosder, I just can't think of his name.

                                Ah, James Marten. Excellent player in college.

                                Snee, Trueblood, Marten, Beekman, Cherilus...

                                Guys there from 2004-2008.

                                Not to mention BC has a long standing tradition of building great Offensive lines, even if they're not flashy or high draft picks, they always have a great OL In college.

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