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  • PrimeTheDon's QB rankings.

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    1. Jimmy Clausen
    It's really this simple folks, Clausen not only Can make all the throws, he DOES make all the throws. I've been a Clausen skeptic for years now. I've watched him play as much as any player in this years class and due to some personal distaste for ND and Charlie Weis I think my opinion on him was skewed and I had him rated as a late first/ early second guy.

    Then, I turned on the tape for review. Wow. This kid makes every throw on every single point of the field. There are no limitations. It's not dump-offs, and it's not bad passes that are bailed out by his outstanding WR/TE core. No, it's accurate passing all over the lot. The deep out, the Post, the fade (of course), the skinny post, the drag.

    He goes through progressions well and takes the snap from under center with ease.

    And, his release and mechanics are smooth and compact.

    It's all there. It's all accurate. And he has also grown into a smart thrower who does not turn over the ball often.

    Go to espn.com 360 and find some ND games if you disagree. Watch a Oklahoma game soley focusing on Bradford, then watch a ND game. Notice the wide disparity in the places each player throws the ball.

    The question with Clausen is his character. Is this guy a leader of men? My first inclination is No, and that is why, despite his tools and success, I won't rank him in my top 5 overall. He is icey under pressure though, and he makes every throw.

    1st round, picks 8-15.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hHuwPPRC6H4

    2. Sam Bradford
    It's very simple to see the long and short of Sam Bradford. Put simply, he is deadly accurate inside 15 yards. He very rarely was asked to throw the ball beyond 15 yards and this is a serious concern. However, unlike most system QB's coming out of college, his accuracy inside 15 is stunning and undeniable. It's not just drags or in's, something Brian Brohm excelled at, it's also outs and fades. The outs are the key. He can throw the out very well inside 15 yards.

    Bradford is mobile enough to move the pocket and make very accurate throws on the move as well. He has a great understanding of when to throw with touch and when to throw a strike. He throws what they say is, "a very catchable ball".

    His release is fast and he keeps the ball high. Two things essential for QB success in the NFL.

    Go to ESPN 360 and watch an Oklahoma game you want. You'll see about 4-6 balls thrown beyond 15 yards, maybe 2-3 completed beyond 15 yards. (we're talking in that 12-20 yard range here folks, 15 being a solid generalization). It's something that is simply not talked about enough but is still glaringly obvious and available to see on all game tape.

    I think Sam is limited to a West Coast system in the NFL, at least to start. He made about 75% of his throws out of the shotgun the past two years and that is something he'll have to adjust to as well.

    Another concern is his ability to read and make progressions. He wasn't asked to do a whole of it at OU and it's just another thing he will be asked to overcome early in his career.

    His accuracy is undeniable though and seperates him from your typical big-stat system QB.

    First Round picks 15-25.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0w-gL0PSvNk&feature=fvst

    3. Tim Tebow
    It's simple, Tebow can and does make every throw. He is accurate, his arm is strong, his deep ball is elite, he can work the sidelines adequately and he is mobile. He has shown tremendous leadership and has excelled under pressure. He is not a "1 read then take off and run" thrower, he has shown he is capable of going through progressions to find the 3rd option for a check down 1st down or a deep ball big play.

    All of this is there on tape.

    Another thing that Tim possesses that is so crucial for NFL QB's is work ethic. You already know the guy is going to be a total film *****. You know the guy wants it more than anybody.

    Tebow is the complete package.

    One massive problem here though - his release is molasses and that will not fly in the NFL. Period. Period end of story. Look at every probowl QB from the last 4 years in teh NFL, then switch to a clip of Tebow. The difference is painfully glaring.

    There is also another problem - Tebow, when he does take off, is a power runner. I'd say 85% of his runs in college were designed runs (again, he has shown the ability to make progressions or be flushed from the pocket and find a WR downfield instead of just running every time, something Colt McCoy struggles with) and when he did run, he was as big as the linebackers he was slamming his shoulder into. That run-style will not fly in the NFL. He can be a great goalline runner ala Big Ben but he is not Mike Vick and he will be punished with a power-style in the NFL. He is a QB not a FB and despite his bulk and power a QB can not work through the same types of injuries that FB"s and RB's do. Broken fingers are major issues, let alone banged up shoulders or knees or feet, etc.

    This is higher than most would rank him but I don't think his raw ability, work ethic, or leadership can be denied.

    Round 2
    32-45

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qKUAB...om=PL&index=10

    4. Tony Pike
    I like Tony Pike a lot due to his elusiveness in the pocket, height, and playmaking ability. There was a time I considered Pike a late first round option. I've since been a little more critical of him and I have to draw rating back, but only a little bit.

    I think Pike is a risky pick. He has shown durability issues, his arm would only be average by NFL standards, he comes from a shotgun offense, and he has not started for very long.

    But he has shown the ability to be very accurate throwing the ball down the field, not just on slants and drags like most spread QB's. He has shown that he can hit every point of the field and he is not afraid to let it rip and give his WR's a chance to make a play. He plays to win, he does not play not to lose. I have, however, seen him become rattled and frustrated, something guys like Locker and Clausen do not have problems with.

    He is also quite accurate inside 15 yards.

    I like Pike's release as well. He gets the ball out quickly and at 6-6 he gets the ball over the lineman with ease. His mobility behind the line of scrimmage is also outstanding. His biggest strength is his ability to avoid the rush, get out of the pocket and make a throw downfield. He's a playmaker.

    Pike is a risky prospect but I think his upside gives him a mid 2nd round grade.

    Round 2
    picks 35-55

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sv7qqIFAh5Y

    5. Jevan Snead
    Snead looks like an NFL QB. He is thick, he is mobile enough, he has a strong arm and a beautiful release and has flashed the ability to be an accurate down-the-field passer. Unfortunately, he is terrible when under pressure and he's developed into a terrible decision maker. With a shoddy line Snead totally fell apart this year make jaw-dropping decision after jaw-dropping decision.

    I think Snead has a massive upside and that's why he lands in my top 5 despite having a disastrous season. His arm is perhaps the strongest in the draft and his release is perhaps the prettiest. Unfortunately, his decision making is poor and his accuracy suffers because he is not poised behind a struggling Oline.

    Is this too high? It's very possible. But he has the best tools in this class and it's not like he hasn't flashed those tools at a very high level in the past.

    Snead is a project, but i'd take him before LeFevour who is terribly unrefined, Colt McCoy is a pure system QB, or Jarrett Brown who is big and has flashed talent but is not overly accurate and very far from NFL ready.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rILn_jv_OXg
    Round 3









    *note*
    I have never seen Skelton play and therefore I can not rate him. If someone could find tape of him I'd love to review it.
    Last edited by PrimetimeTheDon; 03-18-2010, 05:18 PM.
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      Sam Bradford a Top 15-25 pick?

      Explain it.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by RealityCheck View Post
        Sam Bradford a Top 15-25 pick?

        Explain it.
        What he said. There's just no way that kind of thing happens and even if you grade him in the 15-25 range as a player Franchise Quarterback prospects deserve inflation due to their potential for stability & wins.

        Sam Bradford is 3rd on my board, Clausen 7th currently. If they can come in and provide stability for a franchise for 6-8 years (or more) and be even just a solid NFL starter at the position then they are easily worth Top 10 picks. Now, Bradford in my opinion is more than just a "solid NFL starter" and he'll most likely go 1st Overall & the new face of the St. Louis Rams. I see a winner with excellent mechanics, intangibles, and all the physical ability (athleticism/arm strength) he needs to be a great West Coast Offense Quarterback.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by RealityCheck View Post
          Sam Bradford a Top 15-25 pick?

          Explain it.


          It's very simple to see the long and short of Sam Bradford. Put simply, he is deadly accurate inside 15 yards. He very rarely was asked to throw the ball beyond 15 yards and this is a serious concern. However, unlike most system QB's coming out of college, his accuracy inside 15 is stunning and undeniable. It's not just drags or in's, something Brian Brohm excelled at, it's also outs and fades. The outs are the key. He can throw the out very well inside 15 yards.

          Bradford is mobile enough to move the pocket and make very accurate throws on the move as well. He has a great understanding of when to throw with touch and when to throw a strike. He throws what they say is, "a very catchable ball".

          His release is fast and he keeps the ball high. Two things essential for QB success in the NFL.

          Go to ESPN 360 and watch an Oklahoma game you want. You'll see about 4-6 balls thrown beyond 15 yards, maybe 2-3 completed beyond 15 yards. (we're talking in that 12-20 yard range here folks, 15 being a solid generalization). It's something that is simply not talked about enough but is still glaringly obvious and available to see on all game tape.

          I think Sam is limited to a West Coast system in the NFL, at least to start. He made about 75% of his throws out of the shotgun the past two years and that is something he'll have to adjust to as well.

          Another concern is his ability to read and make progressions. He wasn't asked to do a whole of it at OU and it's just another thing he will be asked to overcome early in his career.


          His accuracy is undeniable though and seperates him from your typical big-stat system QB.

          First Round picks 15-25.


          http://draftcountdown.com/forum/showthread.php?t=39530
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            did Colt McCoy die?

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              Originally posted by ThePudge View Post
              What he said. There's just no way that kind of thing happens and even if you grade him in the 15-25 range as a player Franchise Quarterback prospects deserve inflation due to their potential for stability & wins.

              Sam Bradford is 3rd on my board, Clausen 7th currently. If they can come in and provide stability for a franchise for 6-8 years (or more) and be even just a solid NFL starter at the position then they are easily worth Top 10 picks. Now, Bradford in my opinion is more than just a "solid NFL starter"
              The fact that you would rate a Matt Hasselbeck level QB 3rd on your board, as a "solid NFL starter" is mind boggling.

              I understand the concept of ranking QB's higher on a big board due to value, but you need to really think about the contradiction you just made.

              You'd spend the #3 overall pick on a QB you think will be solid. A QB that you don't think is good enough to lead a team to a superbowl, because after all, when is the last time a solid QB actually won a superbowl? Trent Dilfer a decade ago in a league not as dependent on passing as it is now with an atg defense?


              and he'll most likely go 1st Overall & the new face of the St. Louis Rams. I see a winner with excellent mechanics, intangibles, and all the physical ability (athleticism/arm strength) he needs to be a great West Coast Offense Quarterback.
              ? Physical Ability importance is minimized when put into a WC system, I'd sure hope he's has at least that much physical ability. H

              I don't see the intangibles part either, honestly. 1-2 against Texas and 0-2 in bowls.
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              • #8
                Originally posted by PrimetimeTheDon View Post
                The fact that you would rate a Matt Hasselbeck level QB 3rd on your board, as a "solid NFL starter" is mind boggling.
                I think most of the teams picking in the top 10 would kill their mothers to have a solid starting QB for 10 seasons. I really do. And I repeat: did Colt McCoy die?

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by PrimetimeTheDon View Post
                  How do explain First Round picks 15-25? You understand the draft isn't simply power rankings? How does he go 15-25 with teams like St. Louis, Washington, and Cleveland buzzing with interest in the Top 7. With Seattle (6)/Buffalo (9)/ Jacksonville (10) sitting right there I don't see any realistic way he falls out of the Top 10, let alone to the 15-25 range. This isn't a Brady Quinn or Aaron Rodgers pitfall situation, there are at least six teams that need Quarterbacks in the Top Ten!

                  I disagree with your Bradford assessments and since you linked your assessment, I'll do the same. I read yours, and while I'll agree he wasn't asked to take many shots downfield his accuracy, touch, & velocity were still near impeccable within the 15-25 range. His deep ball will need some reps & work, but that's apparently just what it's getting in his training. Up to 236 now, he has added bulk and says he feels his arm is stronger than before, citing that as the only difference prior to the injury. You have to remember the large majority of throws in a West Coast Offense (St. Louis/Washington/Cleveland) come in the 5-15 range, but also asks for 15-25 throws (which Bradford has shown he can do), and a rarer deep ball (where Bradford needs work but has shown improvement & will get time to develop.)



                  Sam Bradford – QB – Oklahoma
                  6′4 1/4 – 236 – 4.78e
                  #1 Quarterback – #3 Overall


                  Since the day Sam Bradford became the starting Quarterback for the Oklahoma Sooners, he was a star. In his (Redshirt) Freshman year he was the most efficient QB in the nation, and as a Sophomore he won the Heisman Trophy as the best player in college football. If he had declared for the 2009 NFL Draft, he would have likely been a Top 2 Pick perhaps to the St. Louis Rams. In the most recent example of a player making the wrong decision regarding underclassman entry into the draft, Bradford was hurt the first week when he landed on his throwing shoulder, then later re-injured it in October. It’s hard to ignore his body of work on the field though and despite his serious durability question (and a few others) he’s likely a Top 5 pick in this draft and the top player at his position.

                  At 6′4 236, Sam Bradford has the prototypical NFL Quarterback build, he has excellent pocket presence, and he throws an accurate ball with great zip. On film I’m most impressed by Bradford in this class, though his learning curve remains higher than his competition Jimmy Clausen. In college, he may not have played in a pro-style offense, but he did an unbelievable job at surveying the field, reading defenses, and finding the open man. He’s extremely smart on and off the field and has the look of a film-room junky. Even on the move, Sam can be seen surveying the field and checking his options. Though he’ll have to adjust to dropping back from under center, his footwork and throwing mechanics are solid. He steps into his throws and usually throws with a high release point and a compact delivery. He finds open receivers, gets the ball out on time, and fires off his back foot.

                  There is some question as to how good Bradford’s arm is. He has a good, but not great, NFL arm. His system didn’t have him throw too many deep balls and when he did he showed the ability to put the ball downfield accurately, though it’s not necessarily the prettiest all the time. He’ll need a lot of reps leading up to the draft throwing 40+ yard passes and should be fine. His arm strength really shows on his intermediate throws between 10-25 yards, where he displays great command, a tight spiral, and very good zip. Bradford’s capable of making most if not any NFL throw and hits receivers 20 yards downfield on the far hash, in stride, with that same velocity.

                  He’s an extremely accurate passer with a lot of patience and confidence. He fits the ball into to tight spots and is capable squeezing throws in through traffic. Bradford shows a lot of touch on his short passes and can drop balls in downfield as well. His ball is very catchable and he commands his teammates respect on the field and in the locker room. He distributes the ball very well and shows rhythm & timing standing in the pocket. Outside the pocket, his athletic background (including Golf and Basketball) help him as he does not appear so stiff or slow when the heat is on. He’s very capable of picking up yards with his feet, and can escape from pressure and throw on the move.

                  There’s a lot of concern over Sam Bradford’s injuries and his adjustment to a pro-style offense. His recurring shoulder injuries are going to be obstacle for him to climb and there is legitimate concern that durability is going to be an issue at the next level (especially now that he can’t lean on the shotgun formation.) He claimed the shoulder was 85% at the Combine, he had been throwing 100-120 passes in his sessions recently, and will throw for scouts/NFL execs on March 29th. His inexperience in a pro-style offense is another cause for concern, as he played his college career in mostly the shotgun formation behind the nation’s best Offensive Line. Bradford’s a rhythm passer, and he’ll need to adjust his footwork in the pocket and tweak his throwing mechanics to be a consistent player.

                  At the Combine, Bradford weighed in impressively, interviewed very well, and scored an exceptional 36 on his Wonderlic. I expect he’ll build a strong relationship with the top teams and figures to be off the board among the draft’s first four picks. Were it not for injuries, we may be talking about Bradford as the unanimous top pick in the draft realistically. He will be seen as a Franchise Quarterback to the team that drafts him.

                  Pros
                  + Pocket presence, is very calm, patient, and keeps his eyes active
                  + Prototypical NFL Size/Athlete at 6′4 236 with athletic background
                  + Strong arm, shows great zip on intermediate passes, can make every throw
                  + Very precise and accurate, developed great timing, fits the ball into tight spots
                  + Footwork in/out of the pocket, steps into his throws, good escapability
                  + Very intelligent, cerebral player who reads defense/sees the entire field
                  + Leader and a Winner, great command of his team & won games
                  + Work ethic, a blue-collar worker on the field, in the weight room, & in the classroom
                  + Unbelievably Productive, Decorated QB, 2009 Heisman Trophy Winner
                  + Likable Personality, personable guy and a well-liked/respected teammate
                  + Good Throwing Mechanics, keeps the ball high and has a compact delivery
                  + A young new face for the team that drafts him to play QB

                  Cons
                  - Durability a major red flag, recurring injuries to throwing shoulder sidelined him in 2009
                  - Played in a spread offense, saw mostly man coverage & lined up mostly shotgun
                  - Needs to make adjustments to his footwork to become a drop-back passer
                  - Was surrounded by a strong supporting cast and the nation’s top OL
                  - Not the prettiest deep ball, not a lot of experience airing the ball out 40+ yards
                  - High learning curve/risk for Top 5 pick


                  Why the Rams will draft Sam Bradford 1st Overall
                  - The prototypical 6′4 236 Quarterback fits the team’s West Coast offense and brings a fresh face and a winning attitude. Sam Bradford brings a well-liked, well-established college football star to St. Louis to turn around the Rams losing ways. He brings all the physical tools necessary to be a star QB, has the intangible qualities you look for, and would likely start from Day One in St. Louis. Last year before the Underclassmen deadline there was speculation the Rams could look to Bradford with the 2nd Overall Pick and the idea makes the same sense today. He goes to St. Louis as a try-hard guy with plenty of God given talent (like Jason Smith) and he brings a much needed fresh face to the passing game. The injuries don’t deter Spagnuolo as Bradford’s had ample time to heal and has shown the ability to make any throw. A Franchise Quarterback in St. Louis.
                  Last edited by ThePudge; 03-18-2010, 06:52 PM.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by PrimetimeTheDon View Post
                    The fact that you would rate a Matt Hasselbeck level QB 3rd on your board, as a "solid NFL starter" is mind boggling.

                    I understand the concept of ranking QB's higher on a big board due to value, but you need to really think about the contradiction you just made.

                    You'd spend the #3 overall pick on a QB you think will be solid. A QB that you don't think is good enough to lead a team to a superbowl, because after all, when is the last time a solid QB actually won a superbowl? Trent Dilfer a decade ago in a league not as dependent on passing as it is now with an atg defense?



                    ? Physical Ability importance is minimized when put into a WC system, I'd sure hope he's has at least that much physical ability. H

                    I don't see the intangibles part either, honestly. 1-2 against Texas and 0-2 in bowls.
                    Can't believe I'm gonna do this as a Browns fans, but I'm sticking up for the Bengals fan on this one.

                    Many teams who need solid QB play would love to be able to spend their #3 pick on a QB, who you claim to be a Hasselbeck type of guy. It would get many teams out of picking in the top 10 year in and year out and would make them competitive. Thus, FAs would want to go there because they have a chance to win, not just because it's the biggest offer, something every bottom ranked team has to do to pry top FAs away from contending teams.

                    Clausens biggest concern shouldn't be his leadership, that should be 2nd. The bigger question surrounding Clausen is his potential. If there is limited upside, then Bradford is clearly the better choice as he offers more upside.

                    The "mind-boggling" thing to me is Tebow, who has to rework his mechanics and footwork completely, most likely a 3 year project to get rid of that stuff. Maybe he becomes nothing when he's not in his comfort zone of what he's done his whole career. And McCoy, is not on the list. If you have Clausen above Bradford because he's more ready, then by your reasoning, McCoy should be #3 above Tebow as he's more ready than Tebow.

                    Can't believe I just attempted to stick up for a Bengal fan.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by PrimetimeTheDon View Post
                      It's very simple to see the long and short of Sam Bradford. Put simply, he is deadly accurate inside 15 yards. He very rarely was asked to throw the ball beyond 15 yards and this is a serious concern. However, unlike most system QB's coming out of college, his accuracy inside 15 is stunning and undeniable. It's not just drags or in's, something Brian Brohm excelled at, it's also outs and fades. The outs are the key. He can throw the out very well inside 15 yards.

                      Bradford is mobile enough to move the pocket and make very accurate throws on the move as well. He has a great understanding of when to throw with touch and when to throw a strike. He throws what they say is, "a very catchable ball".

                      His release is fast and he keeps the ball high. Two things essential for QB success in the NFL.

                      Go to ESPN 360 and watch an Oklahoma game you want. You'll see about 4-6 balls thrown beyond 15 yards, maybe 2-3 completed beyond 15 yards. (we're talking in that 12-20 yard range here folks, 15 being a solid generalization). It's something that is simply not talked about enough but is still glaringly obvious and available to see on all game tape.

                      I think Sam is limited to a West Coast system in the NFL, at least to start. He made about 75% of his throws out of the shotgun the past two years and that is something he'll have to adjust to as well.

                      Another concern is his ability to read and make progressions. He wasn't asked to do a whole of it at OU and it's just another thing he will be asked to overcome early in his career.


                      His accuracy is undeniable though and seperates him from your typical big-stat system QB.

                      First Round picks 15-25.


                      http://draftcountdown.com/forum/showthread.php?t=39530
                      Not sure i disagree with you assessment of Bradford but he'll be long gone by that range. I dont see him getting past the top 6 or 7 picks.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by STsACE View Post
                        Can't believe I'm gonna do this as a Browns fans, but I'm sticking up for the Bengals fan on this one.


                        Can't believe I just attempted to stick up for a Bengal fan.
                        You never know, this guy may be a Steelers fan. You might have done the right thing haha

                        As for Hasselbeck, I think Bradford can be better than him but if that's his floor then I'll take it. He started nine years in Seattle, six good ones. The Seahawks were able to build a winning franchise around him for the better part of the decade and I think that's well worth a Top 10 pick. I think he's a guy that has a very high ceiling and only a few people (including Charlie Casserly) are talking about it. The risk is fairly high, but in a WCO he could be a star. That's an opinion, but it's an opinion I think St. Louis/Washington/Cleveland share.

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                        • #13
                          I disagree on the Tebow assessment - he's NOT a "complete package" who just has bad mechanics. He also goes through reads slowly and often misses reads period. An elite quarterback will get rid of the ball as the receiver is just starting to create separation, they'll see openings before they are there. When I watch Tebow I often see him holding onto the ball until the receiver is wide open. Does he do this all the time? No, but enough that it is noticeable.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by ThePudge View Post
                            You never know, this guy may be a Steelers fan. You might have done the right thing haha

                            As for Hasselbeck, I think Bradford can be better than him but if that's his floor then I'll take it. He started nine years in Seattle, six good ones. The Seahawks were able to build a winning franchise around him for the better part of the decade and I think that's well worth a Top 10 pick. I think he's a guy that has a very high ceiling and only a few people (including Charlie Casserly) are talking about it. The risk is fairly high, but in a WCO he could be a star. That's an opinion, but it's an opinion I think St. Louis/Washington/Cleveland share.
                            So true on Hasselbeck. Especially since the Hawks made it to the SB, something we've yet to do. Many Browns fans would give a member of their family up to even get to the SB.

                            I didn't like the idea of Bradford prior to some moves made this offseason by our FO. Holmgren (West Coast Guy), our new GM. Haskell (West Coast Guy), brought in as an advisor to Daboll, we're hearing there will be more WCO philosophies in our O this year.

                            Also, considering Holmgren really can't be questioned about his success with QBs. He's worked with Montana, Young, Favre, Hasselbeck. So, I don't really see how anyone could try to argue with him on QBs. If Holmgren wants Bradford, that makes part of me want him too.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by ThePudge View Post
                              You never know, this guy may be a Steelers fan. You might have done the right thing haha

                              As for Hasselbeck, I think Bradford can be better than him but if that's his floor then I'll take it. He started nine years in Seattle, six good ones. The Seahawks were able to build a winning franchise around him for the better part of the decade and I think that's well worth a Top 10 pick. I think he's a guy that has a very high ceiling and only a few people (including Charlie Casserly) are talking about it. The risk is fairly high, but in a WCO he could be a star. That's an opinion, but it's an opinion I think St. Louis/Washington/Cleveland share.
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