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  • Ball Doesn't Touch Ground at Bradford Pro Day

    Sam Bradford may have locked himself in at the #1 spot for St. Louis. Pretty impressive in my mind, you can bet that Bradford will try to get a deal finalized pretty soon if he can. I'm pretty sure this is the writing on the wall

    http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/360840...s-player_news/

  • #2
    Is there any film of this out there?
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    • #3
      As expected. But keep in mind pro days are held to show the absolute scripted best of a prospect. If you keep that in mind his 50/50 should be expected but it definitely isn't a bad thing to meet expectations for Bradford. :D
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      • #4
        Did any blitzing linebackers, or safeties, or corners, or DE's or DT's sack and smash him into the turf to see if he can handle a hit now?

        He's going to get pile-driven into the gound by a lot bigger and stronger guys than the BYU and Texas guys who popped his shoulder apart.

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        • #5
          I actually heard 1 ball was dropped.


          But, it's important for him because he needs to show his shoulder is strong and he can put some velocity on the ball now, but my questions against Bradford were always when he was faced with pressure or a pass rush. I've been saying the same things the past 2 seasons seeing him play quite a bit, when he had that incredible line with all day to throw it was easy to look good, but with a pass rush in his face he doesn't always step up and deliver how he should.


          Keep in mind, Alex Smith looked amazing at his pro day also. Still, looking great is better then looking subpar, this is a good step for Bradford though.





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          I guarantee that if someone picks Cam Newton in the Top 5 they will regret it.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by J-Mike88 View Post
            Did any blitzing linebackers, or safeties, or corners, or DE's or DT's sack and smash him into the turf to see if he can handle a hit now?

            He's going to get pile-driven into the gound by a lot bigger and stronger guys than the BYU and Texas guys who popped his shoulder apart.
            How often do you see blitzing linebackers, safeties, corners or DT/DEs smash into Quarterbacks during Pro Days? Saw a little bit of the video, saw the post-workout interview, and the consensus on nfl.com, ESPN, etc. was that Bradford was near flawless. Every player is going to see higher competition in the NFL. Most importantly, the shoulder looks great, healthy, & his arm is apparently stronger than ever.

            Everyone expected near perfection & that's what he put in today. He showed everything he could possibly show in a controlled setting.

            The latest from nfl.com's crew....

            "NORMAN, Okla. — Sam Bradford’s workout today in front of representatives for all 32 NFL teams at Oklahoma’s pro day almost left me speechless. And that’s saying something.

            Bradford threw more than 100 passes during the workout and in my estimation, didn’t have one that was uncatchable. He moved around well, including throwing on the run out of the pocket, and went through the entire route tree.

            It really was a treat to watch, and I think everyone here was in awe of his performance. In fact, Bradford put on the best quarterback workout by a draft prospect that I’ve seen since I watched a private workout Troy Aikman put on for us with the Cowboys in California.

            If Bradford is feeling the effects of his shoulder or is experiencing any weakness, there were no indications of that today. It didn’t show. He threw with velocity during the entire workout.

            Terry Shea, the former college and NFL coach who is working with Bradford as a quarterback consultant, told me they’ve been working together for nine weeks. The first five weeks of workouts, Bradford didn’t even throw. They only worked on footwork because Bradford hadn’t been cleared by doctors yet.

            I would imagine that two weeks from now, Bradford’s arm will be even stronger than what we saw today. And today, it was very strong."
            Last edited by ThePudge; 03-29-2010, 12:25 PM.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by LonghornsLegend View Post
              But, it's important for him because he needs to show his shoulder is strong and he can put some velocity on the ball now, but my questions against Bradford were always when he was faced with pressure or a pass rush. I've been saying the same things the past 2 seasons seeing him play quite a bit, when he had that incredible line with all day to throw it was easy to look good, but with a pass rush in his face he doesn't always step up and deliver how he should.
              If anything he wasn't near cautious enough in college, he steps into contact to make throws & it's gotten him hurt. He doesn't let pressure rush his decision-making or accuracy. He's not Brady Quinn people, he keeps his eyes downfield & is very tough in the pocket. He has to learn to see the pressure, react to it, and stop falling on that damn throwing shoulder.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by ThePudge View Post
                If anything he wasn't near cautious enough in college, he steps into contact to make throws & it's gotten him hurt. He doesn't let pressure rush his decision-making or accuracy. He's not Brady Quinn people, he keeps his eyes downfield & is very tough in the pocket. He has to learn to see the pressure, react to it, and stop falling on that damn throwing shoulder.
                Well I disagree, I've seen quite a bit of him and he looked like a different QB after majority of that line left. I didn't say he was Brady Quinn but he looks rushed, throws off his backfoot quite a bit, and gets rattled once you get some pressure on him. I was saying those same things well before he came into the draft and sure enough, any team they played that was able to get a decent pass rush shut that offense down quite a bit.


                It's not like he can't work on it, but to me that's a big question mark and his main weakness.


                That being said, I just hope if STL drafts him they don't rush him and let him redshirt as a rookie. His shoulder could potentially be back healthy, but another year to strengthen it on an NFL training regimen is only going to help. With the size of NFL players, he could fall on that shoulder as a rookie and the same thing happens again.


                I really hope they continue to put weapons around him, develop the offensive line, and don't give him any meaningful snaps until his 2nd season.





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                • #9
                  Originally posted by LonghornsLegend View Post
                  Well I disagree, I've seen quite a bit of him and he looked like a different QB after majority of that line left. I didn't say he was Brady Quinn but he looks rushed, throws off his backfoot quite a bit, and gets rattled once you get some pressure on him. I was saying those same things well before he came into the draft and sure enough, any team they played that was able to get a decent pass rush shut that offense down quite a bit.
                  I'd typically agree with sitting him in Year One, but he's already at 100% and his shoulder will be as healthy as mine, yours, or Jimmy Clausen's by the time the Preseason & contact football rolls around. The ideal situation would be rest him, set up some weapons, & a solid line in front of him.

                  Aside from Ohio State, the team I've seen the most of in the past half-decade or so is Oklahoma. I got hooked during AD's freshman year & when Sam Bradford stepped in the starting lineup as a freshman I loved watching the Sooners. He played two games behind that line this year, so I make more judgments based on his Freshman & Sophomore years personally. He didn't have his senior receivers, he didn't have his Tight End (the best in the country), and he was missing three starting linemen (Loadholt, Cooper, Robinson.) Of course, with that all considered, he's going to need to make adjustments against competition like BYU and Texas.

                  During his two years of healthy football he was the exact opposite of your accusations. As I said, he stood tough in the pocket & would step into his throws even under pressure. I have been over this before in another thread and can provide video examples. I think, and I would hope, when Bradford steps on the field in the NFL he'll be playing with that prior confidence.

                  I understand your concerns, but he's not a guy that turns his back on the field, he's not a guy that often rushes throws, and he's not a guy that will throw the ball away easily in the face of pressure. His toughness those first two years really stood out as a positive for me. He didn't appear quite as comfortable with different (inferior) personnel, but I think that's perfectly normal, I still believe if Bradford played last year Oklahoma would have been in a BCS Bowl.

                  Everyone's entitled to their opinions though & if what you saw this year against BYU/Texas overrides his prior body of work in your mind then that's all good. I think he could use that year off (or to learn) get comfortable with his line/receivers & come in 2011 as a very confident young passer. I like his confidence regardless though, but I agree that it would benefit him to wait until St. Louis has receivers/tight ends/OL in place.

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                  • #10
                    didnt we allready know that bradford could throw when he has all day to throw?

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by georgiafan View Post
                      didnt we allready know that bradford could throw when he has all day to throw?
                      I don't think that was goal of this performance. I think endurance, shoulder stability, zip, ball placement and touch were being evaluated more so than if he can throw with all day to throw
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                      i mean, why wouldn't the broncos take cam newton? they can play him at quarterback WITH tebow!

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by LonghornsLegend View Post
                        Well I disagree, I've seen quite a bit of him and he looked like a different QB after majority of that line left. I didn't say he was Brady Quinn but he looks rushed, throws off his backfoot quite a bit, and gets rattled once you get some pressure on him. I was saying those same things well before he came into the draft and sure enough, any team they played that was able to get a decent pass rush shut that offense down quite a bit.


                        It's not like he can't work on it, but to me that's a big question mark and his main weakness.
                        Gotta agree with Pudge on this one. Bradford had great poise and presence in the pocket. He stands tall in the face of pass rush. People love to give his O-Line all the credit. His O-Line was very good at times and they gave him lots of time but it wasn't great. This was shown against more athletic fronts like Texas. A lot of teams don't like to blitz him because he's so good at reading the defense and is so quick getting the ball out, he can pick apart blitzing defenses. Also, he stands tall in the pocket and in so poised that it doesn't seem like the pressure is ever getting there.

                        However he needs to improve on maneuvering in the pocket to avoid unnecessary hits. With that being said, I have a hard time believing that a guy like Jimmy Clausen has better poise in the pocket. How many times have we seen Jimmy Clausen face pressure, than back out of the pocket and start sprinting out toward the sideline when he could of just stood strong in the pocket and delivered the ball. I almost never see Bradford flushed out of the pocket prematurely.

                        From everything I've seen and everything I've read, Bradford's poise and willingness to stand in the pocket is one of his strengths. As someone who's seen a lot of Big 12 football, I respect your opinion but I just don't think we're seeing the same things.

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                        • #13
                          http://blogs.nfl.com/2010/03/29/brad...ampaign=nfl_fb

                          "It really was a treat to watch, and I think everyone here was in awe of Bradford’s performance. In fact, he put on the best quarterback workout by a draft prospect that I’ve seen since I watched a private workout Troy Aikman put on for us with the Cowboys in California." ~ Gil Brandt NFL.com

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                          • #14
                            Everyone is raving about Bradford's performance, just like I predicted all along.

                            Top quarterbacks ALWAYS kill it at their individual workout. It's a finely-tuned script that they've been perfecting for months. I remember Gil Brandt absolutely gushing about Alex Smith's workout and calling it the best he had seen since Troy Aikman's too.
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                            • #15
                              Just to clarify that isn't a knock on Gil Brandt, who I have nothing but the utmost respect for. I'm just saying this was expected and people shouldn't get carried away.
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