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  • Dan Williams vs. BJ Raji

    I am trying to decide how Dan Williams compares to BJ Raji.

    As we all know, last year Raji went #9 overall to the Packers. He had huge character issues to boot, and from a size and measurable perspective, it seems like Williams and Raji are similar. Raji is about 10 pounds heavier.

    They both played in 4-3 defenses in college, but obviously projected to the nose in the NFL.

    Williams production seems to at least match Raji, if not exceed it, so i am wondering why he isn't rated any higher.

    Is it just because of better top end talent in this draft?

  • #2
    Originally posted by EndZoneDB View Post
    I am trying to decide how Dan Williams compares to BJ Raji.

    As we all know, last year Raji went #9 overall to the Packers. He had huge character issues to boot, and from a size and measurable perspective, it seems like Williams and Raji are similar. Raji is about 10 pounds heavier.

    They both played in 4-3 defenses in college, but obviously projected to the nose in the NFL.

    Williams production seems to at least match Raji, if not exceed it, so i am wondering why he isn't rated any higher.

    Is it just because of better top end talent in this draft?
    huge character concerns? what was it? i think he said he smoked weed before

    im not crazy about dan williams as a 34 NT, raji is a better athlete imo, he plays end for the packers alot which says alot about his athleticism. when you can have a true NT play end and bump someone whos not as good to NT i think its a pretty good setup to have, not sure williams compares to him in the position versatility
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    • #3
      Originally posted by K Train View Post
      huge character concerns? what was it? i think he said he smoked weed before

      im not crazy about dan williams as a 34 NT, raji is a better athlete imo, he plays end for the packers alot which says alot about his athleticism. when you can have a true NT play end and bump someone whos not as good to NT i think its a pretty good setup to have, not sure williams compares to him in the position versatility
      I agree that Raji has versatility, but I am not sure the Packers knew he could handle both positions when they took him.

      Raji red shirted his junior year (2007) because he became academically ineligible. Then he failed the drug test at the combine... usually 2 red flags would bump you down a bit.

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      • #4
        i wasnt sure raji was gonna be a great NT, he seemed like more of a pass rushing DT than a space eater...i thought his best fit was going to be in washington next to haynesworth but he proved me wrong with being pretty dominate is rookie year.

        i do think williams would be a stud in a 43 as a NT...like houston, minnesota, or tennessee, not sure how i feel about him in a 34 and definitely not the steelers 34

        btw i guess i dont consider being dumb a character concern lol, i didnt know it was a failed test at the combine i forgot that, i thought it was a prior thing
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        • #5
          Raji is better. He has more explosion and offers more as a pass rusher. More athletic and bigger and not just a one year wonder.

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          • #6
            Raji is more poven, had more snaps where he dominated, but notice, once an NFL coordinator got ahold of Williams what he did with him. I think Williams has big time pro potential, but Raji was just absolutely pro ready from snap 1.

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            • #7
              Depends on the scheme to me. In a 4-3 or 1 gap 3-4, I prefer Raji. In a 2 gap 3-4, I prefer Williams. But I was a huge fan of Raji last year, and I am a huge fan of Williams this year.


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              • #8
                Originally posted by keylime_5 View Post
                Raji is better. He has more explosion and offers more as a pass rusher. More athletic and bigger and not just a one year wonder.
                This, also the character concerns were like a yellow at absolute worst. The Packers look at character so much it's close to being a fault. They surely looked into him pretty intensively and must have felt pretty comfortable with him to take him at 9, although he did have some bad marks in the past.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by keylime_5 View Post
                  Raji is better. He has more explosion and offers more as a pass rusher. More athletic and bigger and not just a one year wonder.
                  OKay, here is where my questions start.

                  Williams is a one year wonder... yet in his first couple years he put up 40+ tackle seasons and 6.5+ tackles for loss each year. Thats decent production from a DT... is it not.

                  BUt people look at the crazy numbers from his senior year, and think he is a one year wonder.

                  I guess looking at Raji, his sophomore year was a bit better... don't see his senior stats.

                  Couldn't it be that Williams is improving?
                  Last edited by EndZoneDB; 04-07-2010, 04:56 PM.

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                  • #10
                    Dan Williams is not a one year wonder. I've been touting him around here since his sophomore season when he was making big plays back then. It just seems like he's a one year wonder because he was severely underrated until this season and the spotlight has just now found him.

                    As for the Raji comparison, other than size I don't really see too many similarities. In a 4-3 I'll take Dan Williams as the better prospect. 3-4 I'll take Raji. But I do think both could excel in either system.

                    Also, Dan Williams wasn't playing next to a Ron Brace type of player at Tennessee for most of his career. He got his production playing next to the likes of Wes Brown and Demonte Bolden.
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by VoodooMonkey View Post
                      Dan Williams is not a one year wonder. I've been touting him around here since his sophomore season when he was making big plays back then. It just seems like he's a one year wonder because he was severely underrated until this season and the spotlight has just now found him.

                      As for the Raji comparison, other than size I don't really see too many similarities. In a 4-3 I'll take Dan Williams as the better prospect. 3-4 I'll take Raji. But I do think both could excel in either system.

                      Also, Dan Williams wasn't playing next to a Ron Brace type of player at Tennessee for most of his career. He got his production playing next to the likes of Wes Brown and Demonte Bolden.
                      he had Robert Ayers on that line with him instead.

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                      • #12
                        I'd take Raji. He could move around a 3-4 front or play in a 4-3, I personally think Raji is much more explosive as well. Williams is a great prospect but I don't think he is quite as good as Raji.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by PACKmanN View Post
                          he had Robert Ayers on that line with him instead.
                          Robert Ayers wasn't utilized to the best of his abilities at UT and was also overdrafted in the mid-first.
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                          • #14
                            In terms of athleticism and style of play, Williams probably is somewhere in between Raji and Ron Brace. He moves better laterally and has better technique than Brace, but he's not an explosive penetrator & pass rusher like Raji.

                            Very few people are going to lament that Williams would be better served playing 3 technique, like some were saying about Raji last year. At the same time, there may be fewer concerns about Williams having the discipline and smarts to master the 3-4 NT position. I think he's a very good fit for that spot.

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                            • #15
                              I'd say he's in between B.J. Raji and Ron Brace. Closer to Raji than Brace though in terms of quality of a player, but is more of a 2-gap DT like Brace.

                              Originally posted by keylime_5 View Post
                              Raji is better. He has more explosion and offers more as a pass rusher. More athletic and bigger and not just a one year wonder.
                              Voodoo beat me, but yeah, Big Dan isn't a one year wonder. He was just as good as a junior. After I heard he'd bulked back up to 327 in between his junior and senior seasons, I predicted he'd be the top NT in the Draft. /shameless plug :D He was that impressive to me.

                              Originally posted by PACKmanN View Post
                              he had Robert Ayers on that line with him instead.
                              Because we all know how good Robert Ayers was in college.
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