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  • 2010: Over and Under Rated drafts.

    Now that camp is about to start, the fuss about the draft is largely over, and reality is about to manifest. For an informal concensus of the draft, see http://draftcountdown.com/forum/showthread.php?t=40963

    My question is, based on OTAs and Mini camps, where is the cocensus off? Is, for example, Baltimore's top rated draft, really mediocre? It would not take much. Mount Cody could be a 1 down specialist, with no endurance. Sergio Kindle could be forever medical. On the other hand, was Denver's much panned reach for Tim Tebow really genius?

    I am a Chiefs guy, so I withold, for now my opinion on them.
    Liked: Buffalo. Regardless of how you regard Spiller, this was a good draft for their defense. Troup is one of the best NT prospects, While Carrington should be a solid run stuffer at DE. They also got a solid QB flier in Levi Brown. You could not remake that team in one draft, but they did inject some play making and remade the DL.

    Disliked: It is still early, but I wonder if Philly wasted a huge haul of picks, in one of the best classes. Other than Graham, is there a starter in the bunch?

    J


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    Originally posted by onejayhawk View Post
    Disliked: It is still early, but I wonder if Philly wasted a huge haul of picks, in one of the best classes. Other than Graham, is there a starter in the bunch?

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    • #3
      Originally posted by onejayhawk View Post
      Now that camp is about to start, the fuss about the draft is largely over, and reality is about to manifest. For an informal concensus of the draft, see http://draftcountdown.com/forum/showthread.php?t=40963

      My question is, based on OTAs and Mini camps, where is the cocensus off? Is, for example, Baltimore's top rated draft, really mediocre? It would not take much. Mount Cody could be a 1 down specialist, with no endurance. Sergio Kindle could be forever medical. On the other hand, was Denver's much panned reach for Tim Tebow really genius?

      I am a Chiefs guy, so I withold, for now my opinion on them.
      Liked: Buffalo. Regardless of how you regard Spiller, this was a good draft for their defense. Troup is one of the best NT prospects, While Carrington should be a solid run stuffer at DE. They also got a solid QB flier in Levi Brown. You could not remake that team in one draft, but they did inject some play making and remade the DL.

      Disliked: It is still early, but I wonder if Philly wasted a huge haul of picks, in one of the best classes. Other than Graham, is there a starter in the bunch?

      J
      Buffalo??? Really? I would come close to saying they had the worst draft of any team. They had huge needs at QB, OT, pass rusher. When where they addressed? Ed Wang in the 5th? Levi Brown in the 7th? They got a luxury pick in Spiller which they couldnt afford to take, then filled it out with some solid guys later on.

      An overrated draft I would say is the Raiders. It seems like they're getting graded on a curve. It was a solid draft, nothing spectacular.

      An underrated draft I would say is Seattle. They got some real good players at good value.

      Also in regards to how many starters it is unfair to judge. Poor teams should be looking for four or five starters. However good teams may not have any starters from a draft class for a while. The Colts may only have one starter from their draft class this year. It doesn't make it a poor draft. The Saints may not have one starter this year etc.


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      • #4
        Originally posted by AntoinCD View Post
        The Saints may not have one starter this year etc.
        that works against your argument as the saints draft was terrible


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        - No pass rusher till the fourth round (or preferably at all)
        - Corner or Wideout in the first
        - No reaching
        - No Kelvin Benjamin

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        • #5
          I'll agree with you on Buffalo...I absolutely loved their draft, especially taking Troup to anchor their 3-4 defense


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          • #6
            Underrated:
            -Titans: Derrick Morgan was the surest DE in the draft, Damian Williams should be a great compliment to Britt and was a steal in the 3rd round, Rennie Curran was ultra produce in college with great instincts and a high football IQ (should be a starter at WLB), Alterraun Verner has a good skill set, and Myron Rolle can make the team he should be a great asset in the lockeroom.
            -Rams: They get their QB of the future in Bradford, Saffold will give the Rams a good pair of tackles with Jason Smith, Jerome Murphy is ultra talented and should be a starter, Gilliard is a playmaker, and getting Selvie in the 7th round is pretty good value.
            -Saints: Patrick Robinson will allow Malcolm Jenkings to move to safety and gives the Sanits 3 good corners in a passing league, Charles Brown should develop into a solid starter, Jimmy Graham is an athletic freak who gives the Saints another weapon, Al Woods gives the Saints a stout DT, Tennant should also develop into a starter, and Canfield could be a good backup for Saints.

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            • #7
              I didn't care for Buffalo's draft, but it has been a bit underrated. You can't fault them for not taking a QB, if there wasn't a QB that they liked. It was apparent that they did not care for Clausen and after the top two guys, the rest of the QB's were backups at best. They still added a playmaker in the 1st round who can contribute in three phases (rushing, receiving, and as a returner) and got two potential future starters on the defensive line for their new 3-4 scheme. Not a great draft by any stretch, but I don't think it was the worst draft either.

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              • #8
                Liked: Buccaneers, raiders, lions

                Disliked: jaguars, bills,

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by princefielder28 View Post
                  I'll agree with you on Buffalo...I absolutely loved their draft, especially taking Troup to anchor their 3-4 defense
                  Yep. Don't get why they got trashed...Spiller was a steal at 9 and there's good talent behind him...led by Troup.
                  Last edited by SenorGato; 07-25-2010, 10:25 PM.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by wicket View Post
                    that works against your argument as the saints draft was terrible
                    Not really. I wasn't arguing that either the Colts or Saints had good drafts but I was saying that good teams have very few holes and therefore judging drafts by how many starters there are is a bit redundant


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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by AntoinCD View Post
                      Buffalo??? Really? I would come close to saying they had the worst draft of any team. They had huge needs at QB, OT, pass rusher. When where they addressed? Ed Wang in the 5th? Levi Brown in the 7th? They got a luxury pick in Spiller which they couldnt afford to take, then filled it out with some solid guys later on.

                      An overrated draft I would say is the Raiders. It seems like they're getting graded on a curve. It was a solid draft, nothing spectacular.

                      An underrated draft I would say is Seattle. They got some real good players at good value.

                      Also in regards to how many starters it is unfair to judge. Poor teams should be looking for four or five starters. However good teams may not have any starters from a draft class for a while. The Colts may only have one starter from their draft class this year. It doesn't make it a poor draft. The Saints may not have one starter this year etc.
                      The Raiders did well to get Veldheer in round three, and very well with Bruce Campbell in the 4th. Still, it was the trades and signings that impressed most people. Getting Campbell for a 4th was larceny. He's going to make the Pro Bowl for them, though probably not this year.

                      I do not get your criticism of Buffalo. They could not fix everything that needs fixing, and they did not have a LT or QB fall in their lap, unless you count Claussen. In that regard they had a lot of company. They could have taken Charles Brown in round 2, but they were correct to go with Troupe. They may not have gotten what many believe were the top 2 concerns, but they got the backbone of a revamped defense. There upgrade at NT is bigger than they could have done at LT, plus they got one of those hard to get 5 techs to play beside him. I also like the Moats pick. Getting DEs taht convert well to OLB is a crap shoot, but he is a good throw of the dice.

                      If your problem is with Spiller, I just have to disagree. He was excellent value where he was taken. He may never be an every down RB, but mate him with a good pounder and he will produce, plus he can play slot receiver and be a Pro Bowl return man. It is rarely a mistake to sharply upgrade a position. Bottom line on this draft is that they may have gotten three rookie starters, as many as five in all, including a Future Pro Bowler. That is a successful draft.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by onejayhawk View Post
                        The Raiders did well to get Veldheer in round three, and very well with Bruce Campbell in the 4th. Still, it was the trades and signings that impressed most people. Getting Campbell for a 4th was larceny. He's going to make the Pro Bowl for them, though probably not this year.

                        I do not get your criticism of Buffalo. They could not fix everything that needs fixing, and they did not have a LT or QB fall in their lap, unless you count Claussen. In that regard they had a lot of company. They could have taken Charles Brown in round 2, but they were correct to go with Troupe. They may not have gotten what many believe were the top 2 concerns, but they got the backbone of a revamped defense. There upgrade at NT is bigger than they could have done at LT, plus they got one of those hard to get 5 techs to play beside him. I also like the Moats pick. Getting DEs taht convert well to OLB is a crap shoot, but he is a good throw of the dice.

                        If your problem is with Spiller, I just have to disagree. He was excellent value where he was taken. He may never be an every down RB, but mate him with a good pounder and he will produce, plus he can play slot receiver and be a Pro Bowl return man. It is rarely a mistake to sharply upgrade a position. Bottom line on this draft is that they may have gotten three rookie starters, as many as five in all, including a Future Pro Bowler. That is a successful draft.

                        J
                        As for the Raiders draft I was just stating I think people are giving them a pass because they didn't screw anything up.

                        As for Buffalo we are clearly going to disagree. Spiller will be a good player, however using a top ten pick on a player who will not be an every down RB, for a team with a plethora of needs, who also already have two 1000yd rushers is not a good value IMO.

                        I dont necessarily believe you should only take positions of need during the draft and sometimes BPA is the right option. However it isn't like Spiller was clearly the best value and they had no choice but to take him. They could have taken Anthony Davis and that wouldn't have been considered a reach. Same goes with Brandon Graham, Jason Pierre-Paul, Derrick Morgan etc.

                        I don't blame then for passing on Clausen in the first and even in the second because clearly teams saw things that we all didn't. However they didn't address their main needs until later in the draft. If any of those players become more than back ups or part time starters then that's a bonus.

                        I am also assuming you are referring to Spiller as the future pro bowler. IMO that is a little presumptive as the guy has never taken a snap and in the AFC he has to compete with these young RBs.

                        Chris Johnson, Maurice Jones-Drew, Ray Rice, Shonn Green, Jamal Charles, Rashard Mendenhall, Fred Jackson etc. For a guy who will probably never carry the load he may struggle to put up impressive enough numbers.

                        Buffalo brought in some players who will help their team however they have failed once again to address their most important needs. Defensively they should be around average however who is going to throw the ball? Outside of Evans who is going to catch it? Who is going to block for the three highly rated RBs?

                        I fail to see how this can be classed as a successful draft


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                        • #13
                          i like the lions, the bucs, the raiders the best honestly

                          I love suh, best was a huge need and spievy is a nice CB prospect to bolster their defense.

                          the bucs got a ton filled, i wasnt in love with mccoy but mccoy+price=sick and add in benn/mike williams its an awesome injection of youth to their dline and wrs

                          weird to say the raiders had a good draft but they really did. mccain is gonne be a hammer in the middle of a defense thats looking pretty solid and veldheer and campell could be a pretty sick set of tackles

                          i also envy the seahawks....okung, earl thomas (my man crush) and tate...that **** isnt fair
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                          • #14
                            Hey, when talking about the positives of the Raiders draft don't forget about Lamarr Houston


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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by princefielder28 View Post
                              Hey, when talking about the positives of the Raiders draft don't forget about Lamarr Houston
                              Yeah no doubt.. not sure what he will be playing but that is because it is still not official what we will be playing on defense. He can play either DT or 3-4 end I am guessing.

                              Lions also had a sleeper draft if Jahvid can stay healthy the kid can be an absolute threat.
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