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    Are there any worth a damn in the 1st round this year? I'm looking for a Curtis Lofton/Jon Beason type of MIKEbacker, a guy who is fast and can run sideline to sideline, defend the deep middle, but also has enough speed/strength combo to take on blockers downhill and stuff the run.

    Any of those this year? I know I pretty much asked for a prototype 43 MIKE, I'm just curious to know if any of them are available this year.

    I'm not looking for a Patrick Willis, I know that kind of freak doesn't come by every year, but there's gotta be someone with that Curtis Lofton type of athleticism right?

    I havent followed college football at all this year, that's why I'm asking.

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    Even thou its his third best position after 4-3 olb and 3-4 olb, Akeem Ayers would be the only player I would consider at mike in the first round. The value is in the second or even third round with jones, bynes, wilson and sheppard. This isn't a good year for a first round mike, the guys with impressive stats are small or not very atheletic and the guys with the size don't have the stats...Ayers is the only one that has both but he would have to do a position switch.

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    • #3
      I'm intrigued by Greg Jones. Just watching highlights (i know that's not an accurate way of evaluating talent, but i'm just starting to evaluate guys so i'm starting with youtube unfortunately), he seems like he has the speed, aggressiveness, and tackling ability I'm looking for.

      But he seems tiny. He's listed at 6 1", but just looking at him I question that, he looks 5 9- 5 10" to me. And he's listed at 240 but he looks like he's 230 at best to me as well.

      Anyone can offer any insight on this prospect?

      I also quickly checked out Quan, I think the guy is kinda like Rolando McClain in a sense that he's a little slow, but he does a good job of reading and flowing to the ball.

      I also looked at OLB guys to see if they can move inside, Bruce Carter looks like a guy who has the speed, but he overpursues a lot and doesn't do a good job tackling.
      Last edited by bigbluedefense; 01-01-2011, 08:38 AM.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by roscoesdad27 View Post
        Even thou its his third best position after 4-3 olb and 3-4 olb, Akeem Ayers would be the only player I would consider at mike in the first round. The value is in the second or even third round with jones, bynes, wilson and sheppard. This isn't a good year for a first round mike, the guys with impressive stats are small or not very atheletic and the guys with the size don't have the stats...Ayers is the only one that has both but he would have to do a position switch.
        He doesn't look all that bad. He has the size, and he has decent speed. I don't think he's the type I'm looking for though.

        Greg Jones would be the type if he was a little bigger. I'm curious to see how he stacks up at the combine. I have a feeling he's going to be a lot smaller than his current listed size/weight.

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        • #5
          Nate Irving was a beast this year. Sturdivant, Jones, Sheppard, Casey Matthews are probably the top of the class but none really worth a 1st round grade. What you really got to think about is how many 4-3 teams will be looking for a ILB, you will probably be able to get a top 5 rated ILB in the 3/4th round this year. Then there are a few FA's, Harris from the Jets and Barrett Ruud right off the top of my head, my Buc's will not resign Ruud most likely so I can see us going ILB early... Anyways good luck next year but lose to the Redskins manana so my Buc's can get into the playoffs.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by bigbluedefense View Post
            I'm intrigued by Greg Jones. Just watching highlights (i know that's not an accurate way of evaluating talent, but i'm just starting to evaluate guys so i'm starting with youtube unfortunately), he seems like he has the speed, aggressiveness, and tackling ability I'm looking for.

            But he seems tiny. He's listed at 6 1", but just looking at him I question that, he looks 5 9- 5 10" to me. And he's listed at 240 but he looks like he's 230 at best to me as well.

            Anyone can offer any insight on this prospect?

            I also quickly checked out Quan, I think the guy is kinda like Rolando McClain in a sense that he's a little slow, but he does a good job of reading and flowing to the ball.

            I also looked at OLB guys to see if they can move inside, Bruce Carter looks like a guy who has the speed, but he overpursues a lot and doesn't do a good job tackling.
            1) Jones isn't a hair over 230 and I wouldn't be surprised if he was 220-225 plus he doesn't have the frame to carry much additional weight. He is an excellent tackler and is very good in coverage but I can't see him beating many blocks and he will struggle against physical backs....I think his best position is wlb.

            2) Quan is a guy worth looking at in the late second - early fourth range. Your off on the mcclain comparison thou, quan isn't nearly as big and wouldn't fit into a 3-4 like mcclain idealy does. The only player worth comparing to mcclain is hightower althou he isn't as talented and is scheme reliant (3-4) ted only.

            3) Carter actually coulda been a first round possibilty but he's also a bit small and would have to make a position switch from olb....not to mention he recently tore his acl.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by roscoesdad27 View Post
              1) Jones isn't a hair over 230 and I wouldn't be surprised if he was 220-225 plus he doesn't have the frame to carry much additional weight. He is an excellent tackler and is very good in coverage but I can't see him beating many blocks and he will struggle against physical backs....I think his best position is wlb.

              2) Quan is a guy worth looking at in the late second - early fourth range. Your off on the mcclain comparison thou, quan isn't nearly as big and wouldn't fit into a 3-4 like mcclain idealy does. The only player worth comparing to mcclain is hightower althou he isn't as talented and is scheme reliant (3-4) ted only.

              3) Carter actually coulda been a first round possibilty but he's also a bit small and would have to make a position switch from olb....not to mention he recently tore his acl.
              Good stuff. Thanks for the info bro.

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              • #8
                Size doesn't really matter as much as you think it does in the NFL. It's all about technique, toughness, and instincts.

                A guy who is 5'11" and 220lbs can actually be a better hitter and tackler than a guy who is 6'3" and 260lbs.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Morton View Post
                  Size doesn't really matter as much as you think it does in the NFL. It's all about technique, toughness, and instincts.

                  A guy who is 5'11" and 220lbs can actually be a better hitter and tackler than a guy who is 6'3" and 260lbs.
                  Sure. But you still factor in athleticism when evaluating prospects. It didn't mean anything there wouldn't be a combine.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by bigbluedefense View Post
                    Sure. But you still factor in athleticism when evaluating prospects. It didn't mean anything there wouldn't be a combine.
                    The combine actually is mostly useless and if you talk to coaches they'll tell you that behind closed doors. Something like 80-90% of the grade they give to a player, and the consideration they give to drafting a player, is based on game tape and not measurables.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Morton View Post
                      The combine actually is mostly useless and if you talk to coaches they'll tell you that behind closed doors. Something like 80-90% of the grade they give to a player, and the consideration they give to drafting a player, is based on game tape and not measurables.
                      The combine is not useless at all. You can't play in the NFL if you don't have NFL athleticism. Now I'm not saying you have to be the fastest guy on the track, but there is a certain parameter of athleticism that you must fall within in order to get drafted.

                      That's the whole purpose of the combine. Bill Polian, one of the better GMs in the league, puts a heavy emphasis on the combine.

                      It's almost become cliche at this point by draft followers to shun it's importance. While it's clearly not the only means of evaluating prospects, it's a very key piece in determining who will translate to the next level.

                      That said, I agree that game tape is more important. But the combine has it's place in the evaluation process.

                      All of the process does. Interviews, game tape, combine, the wonderlic. They do all of it for a reason.

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                      • #12
                        I think you would like Mason Foster. Maybe not as athletic as your looking for but he can be a force in the middle for somebody for a LONG time.

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                        • #13
                          Mason Foster could most definitely play in the middle of a 4-3. Im a huge fan of Greg Jones in a 4-3, he's a bit undersized but he could definitely play the part. Alex Wujciak out of Maryland is another guy to keep an eye on, he's scheme versatile and could definitely succeed inside in a 4-3. He's more of a mid rounder at this point though, but the guy is just a football player.
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                          • #14
                            When I'm looking at a 4-3 Mike, I'm mainly looking for...
                            -Great tackling technique
                            -Ability to get off blocks
                            -Coverage ability
                            -Instincts
                            -Leadership ability as that 4-3 MLB is a typical leader of defense (could be other positions, but I mean 4-3 seems to be one of the more typical)

                            There are some guys that fit that, and the guy I'm taking a look at would have to be Kelvin Shepherd. Leader of the LSU defense, great instincts, good fundementals, and he has produced in college as well. The biggest knock against him is going to be speed, he will probably run somewhere from 4.7-4.9, but if I were a GM, I'd still look at him as one of the top 4-3 MLBs. I feel like Jones is going to get blocked a lot, which really scares me. Otherwise he is an ideal guy.

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                            • #15
                              Tampa fans are getting a bit sick of watching Ruud's huge inability to get off blocks and his drag down tackles several yards past the LOS. Jones was looking like a good fit, but I didn't realise he was that small. Sad panda.



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