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  • Post-Senior Bowl Rankings & Draft Work

    I'm back again with my Post-Senior Bowl/East-West Shrine Game Rankings. I've been tweaking a and making adjustments constantly over the last two weeks. There are some major changes from last time around as I cooled on some prospects while falling in love with others. As always, it's kind of long, so I'm organizing into four parts:
    • I. Positional Rankings
    • II. Big Board (Top 100)
    • III. Senior Bowl Risers/Fallers
    • IV. East-West Shrine Movers

    I would've added a mock draft, but on Tuesday morning I'll be posting an enormous article on the Carolina Panthers First Overall Pick. I don't want to spoil my 1st Pick by giving it away in a mock draft first. I will say that the article closely profiles 5 players and includes complete scouting reports for each. I should have an updated 2-3 Round Mock Draft by next week. Hope everyone enjoys the new rankings, though don't be afraid to disagree. I'll probably make one final Pre-Combine rankings a week before the event in February. As always, feedback is encouraged and I'm always willing to offer my take. Enjoy!

    I. Positional Rankings

    -- OFFENSE --

    Quarterbacks
    1. Cameron Newton – Auburn*
    2. Ryan Mallett – Arkansas*
    3. Jake Locker – Washington
    4. Blaine Gabbert – Missouri*
    5. Christian Ponder – Florida State
    6. Colin Kaepernick - Nevada
    7. Ricky Stanzi – Iowa
    8. Greg McElroy – Alabama
    9. Andy Dalton – TCU
    10. Nathan Enderle – Idaho
    11. Pat Devlin – Delaware
    12. Tyrod Taylor – Virginia Tech
    13. Scott Tolzien – Wisconsin
    14. T.J. Yates – North Carolina
    15. Adam Weber – Minnesota

    Running Backs
    1. Mark Ingram – Alabama*
    2. Mikel LeShoure – Illinois*
    3. Shane Vereen – California*
    4. Ryan Williams – Virginia Tech*
    5. DeMarco Murray – Oklahoma
    6. Kendall Hunter – Oklahoma State
    7. Jordan Todman – Connecticut*
    8. Bilal Powell – Louisville
    9. Jacquizz Rodgers – Oregon State*
    10. Roy Helu – Nebraska
    11. Daniel Thomas – Kansas State
    12. Delone Carter – Syracuse
    13. Taiwan Jones – Eastern Washington
    14. Graig Cooper – Miami
    15. Derrick Locke - Kentucky
    16. Allen Bradford – USC
    17. Dion Lewis – Pittsburgh*
    18. Darren Evans – Virginia Tech*
    19. Anthony Allen – Georgia Tech
    20. John Clay – Wisconsin*
    21. Noel Devine – West Virginia
    22. Da’Rel Scott - Maryland
    23. Mario Fannin – Auburn
    24. Evan Royster – Penn State
    25. Vai Taua – Nevada

    Fullbacks
    1. Owen Marecic – Stanford
    2. Henry Hynoski – Pittsburgh*
    3. Stanley Havilii – USC
    4. Anthony Sherman – Connecticut
    5. Keith Payne – Virginia
    6. Shaun Chapas – Georgia
    7. Preston Dial – Alabama (H-Back)
    8. Charles Clay – Tulsa (H-Back)
    9. Brett Morse – Iowa
    10. Robert Hughes – Notre Dame

    Wide Receivers
    1. A.J. Green – Georgia*
    2. Julio Jones – Alabama*
    3. Titus Young – Boise State
    4. Leonard Hankerson – Miami
    5. Randall Cobb – Kentucky*
    6. Torrey Smith – Maryland*
    7. Jonathan Baldwin – Pittsburgh*
    8. Greg Little – North Carolina
    9. Jerrel Jernigan – Troy
    10. Vincent Brown – San Diego State
    11. Austin Pettis – Boise State
    12. Dwayne Harris – East Carolina
    13. Ronald Johnson – USC
    14. Greg Salas - Hawaii
    15. Tandon Doss – Indiana*
    16. Niles Paul - Nebraska
    17. Derrell Johnson-Koulianos – Iowa
    18. Terrance Tolliver – LSU
    19. Jeremy Kerley – TCU
    20. Ryan Whalen - Stanford
    21. Edmund Gates – Abilene Christian
    22. Courtney Smith – South Alabama
    23. Armon Binns – Cincinnati
    24. Mark Dell – Michigan State
    25. Tori Gurley – South Carolina*
    26. Dane Sanzenbacher – Ohio State
    27. DeAndre Brown – Southern Miss*
    28. Jeff Maehl – Oregon
    29. Jamel Hamler – Fresno State*
    30. Stephen Burton – West Texas A&M

    Tight Ends
    1. Kyle Rudolph – Notre Dame*
    2. Luke Stocker – Tennessee
    3. Lance Kendricks – Wisconsin
    4. D.J. Williams – Arkansas (H-Back)
    5. Julius Thomas – Portland State
    6. Lee Smith – Marshall
    7. Mike McNeill – Nebraska (H-Back)
    8. Weslye Saunders – South Carolina
    9. Charlie Gantt – Michigan State
    10. Kyle Adams – Purdue
    11. Jordan Cameron – USC
    12. Zack Pianalto – North Carolina
    13. Virgil Green – Nevada
    14. Allen Reisner – Iowa
    15. Andre Smith – Virginia Tech

    Offensive Tackles
    1. Gabe Carimi – Wisconsin
    2. Derek Sherrod – OT – Mississippi State
    3. Tyron Smith – USC*
    4. Anthony Castonzo – Boston College
    5. Nate Solder – Colorado
    6. Marcus Cannon – TCU
    7. James Carpenter – Alabama (OG)
    8. Orlando Franklin – Miami (OG)
    9. Marcus Gilbert - Florida
    10. Jason Pinkston - Pittsburgh
    11. Lee Ziemba – Auburn
    12. DeMarcus Love – Arkansas (OG)
    13. Jah Reid – Central Florida
    14. Chris Hariston – Clemson
    15. James Brewer – Indiana

    Offensive Guards
    1. Mike Pouncey – Florida
    2. Danny Watkins – Baylor
    3. Clint Boling – Georgia (OT)
    4. Ben Ijalana – Villanova (OT)
    5. John Moffitt - Wisconsin
    6. Keith Williams – Nebraska
    7. Stephen Schiling – Michigan
    8. Andrew Jackson – Fresno State
    9. Bryant Browning – Ohio State
    10. Will Rackley – Lehigh
    11. David Arkin – Missouri State
    12. Zach Hurd – Connecticut
    13. Zachary Williams – Washington State (OC)
    14. Randall Hunt – Illinois
    15. Zach Boren – Ohio State

    Centers
    1. Stefan Wisniewski – Penn State
    2. Rodney Hudson – Florida State
    3. Jake Kirkpatrick – TCU
    4. Tim Barnes – Missouri
    5. Brandon Fusco – Slippery Rock
    6. Alex Linnenkohl – Oregon State
    7. Ryan Bartholomew – Syracuse
    8. Kristofer O’Dowd – USC
    9. Colin Baxter – Arizona
    10. Zane Taylor – Utah

    -- DEFENSE --
    3-4 DL/LB in Red
    4-3 DL/LB in Blue

    Defensive Tackles
    1. Nick Fairley – Auburn*
    2. Marcell Dareus – Alabama*
    3. Drake Nevis – LSU
    4. Stephen Paea – Oregon State
    5. Corey Liuget – Illinois*
    6. Christian Ballard – Iowa
    7. Cameron Heyward – Ohio State
    8. Phil Taylor – Baylor
    9. Muhammed Wilkerson – Temple*.
    10. Jurrell Casey – USC*
    11. Jarvis Jenkins – Clemson
    12. Lawrence Guy – Arizona State
    13. Sione Fua – Stanford
    14. Cedric Thornton – Southern Arkansas
    15. David Carter – UCLA
    16. Terrell McClain – South Florida
    17. Jerrell Powe – Mississippi
    18. Marvin Austin – North Carolina
    19. Martin Parker - Richmond
    20. Kenrick Ellis – Hampton
    21. Adrian Taylor – Oklahoma
    22. Ian Williams – Notre Dame
    23. Karl Klug – Iowa
    24. Chris Neild – West Virginia
    25. Dexter Larimore – Ohio State

    Nose Tackles
    1. Phil Taylor – Baylor
    2. Jerrell Powe – Mississippi
    3. Sione Fua – Stanford
    4. Ian Williams – Notre Dame
    5. Chris Neild – West Virginia

    5-Techs
    1. Cameron Heyward – Ohio State
    2. Cameron Jordan – California
    3. Marcell Dareus – Alabama* (NT)
    4. J.J. Watt – Wisconsin*
    5. Christian Ballard – Iowa
    6. Muhammed Wilkerson – Temple*
    7. Jarvis Jenkins – Clemson
    8. Adrian Clayborn – Iowa
    9. Zane Parr – Virginia*
    10. Kenrick Ellis – Hampton

    Defensive Ends
    1. Da’Quan Bowers – Clemson*
    2. Robert Quinn – North Carolina*
    3. Cameron Jordan – California (DT)
    4. Ryan Kerrigan – Purdue
    5. J.J. Watt – Wisconsin*
    6. Adrian Clayborn – Iowa
    7. Aldon Smith – Missouri*
    8. Greg Romeus – Pittsburgh
    9. Allen Bailey – Miami
    10. Jabaal Sheard – Pittsburgh
    11. Pernell McPhee – Mississippi State
    12. Brooks Reed – Arizona
    13. Cliff Matthews – South Carolina
    14. Pierre Allen – Nebraska
    15. Jeremy Beal – Oklahoma
    16. Ricky Elmore – Arizona
    17. Steven Friday – Virginia Tech
    18. Ryan Winterswyk – Boise State
    19. Sam Acho – Texas
    20. Justin Trattou – Florida

    3-4 Outside Linebacker
    1. Justin Houston – Georgia*
    2. Robert Quinn – North Carolina*
    3. Ryan Kerrigan – Purdue
    4. Akeem Ayers – UCLA*
    5. Von Miller – Texas A&M
    6. Brooks Reed – Arizona
    7. Jeremy Beal – Oklahoma
    8. Aldon Smith – Missouri*
    9. Sam Acho – Texas
    10. Tom Keiser – Stanford*
    11. Dontay Moch - Nevada
    12. Chris Carter – Fresno State
    13. Justin Trattou – Florida
    14. Wayne Daniels – TCU
    15. Bruce Miller – Central Florida

    Outside Linebacker
    1. Von Miller – Texas A&M
    2. Mason Foster – Washington
    3. Akeem Ayers – UCLA*
    4. Martez Wilson – Illinois*
    5. Bruce Carter – North Carolina
    6. K.J. Wright – Mississippi State
    7. Justin Houston – Georgia
    8. Mark Herzlich – Boston College
    9. Lawrence Wilson – Connecticut
    10. Doug Hogue – Syracuse
    11. Dontay Moch – Nevada
    12. Brian Rolle – Ohio State
    13. Adrian Moten – Maryland
    14. Ross Homan – Ohio State (MLB)
    15. Kenny Rowe – Oregon

    Middle Linebacker
    1. Quan Sturdivant – North Carolina
    2. Kelvin Sheppard – LSU (OLB)
    3. Colin McCarthy – Miami
    4. Nate Irving – North Carolina State (OLB)
    5. Greg Jones – Michigan State
    6. Orie Lemon – Oklahoma State
    7. Casey Matthews - Oregon
    8. Greg Lloyd – Connecticut
    9. Josh Bynes – Auburn
    10. Scott Lutrus – Connecticut
    11. Mike Mohammed – California
    12. Alex Wujciak – Maryland
    13. Chris White – Mississippi State
    14. Akeem Dent – Georgia
    15. Nick Bellore – Central Michigan

    3-4 Inside Linebacker
    1. Martez Wilson – Illinois*
    2. Kelvin Sheppard – LSU
    3. K.J. Wright – Mississippi State
    4. Quan Sturdivant – North Carolina
    5. Mark Herzlich – Boston College
    6. Nate Irving – North Carolina State
    7. Greg Llyod – Connecticut
    8. Greg Jones – Michigan State
    9. Josh Bynes – Auburn
    10. Scott Lutrus – Connecticut

    Cornerback
    1. Patrick Peterson – LSU*
    2. Prince Amukamara – Nebraska
    3. Jimmy Smith – Colorado
    4. Brandon Harris – Miami*
    5. Aaron Williams – Texas*
    6. Jalil Brown – Colorado
    7. Brandon Burton – Utah*
    8. Ras-I Dowling - Virginia
    9. Curtis Brown – Texas
    10. Johnny Patrick – Louisville
    11. Chykie Brown - Texas
    12. Rashad Carmichael – Virginia Tech
    13. Davon House – New Mexico State
    14. Kendric Burney – North Carolina
    15. Brandon Hogan – Virginia Tech
    16. Chimdi Chekwa – Ohio State
    17. Marcus Gilchrist – Clemson
    18. Shareece Wright – USC
    19. Chris Rucker – Michigan State
    20. Curtis Marsh – Utah State
    21. Justin Rogers – Richmond
    22. Josh Thomas - Buffalo
    23. Korey Lindsey – Southern Illinois
    24. DeMarcus Van Dyke – Miami
    25. Cortez Allen – The Citadel

    Free Safety
    1. Rahim Moore – UCLA*
    2. Deunta Williams – North Carolina
    3. Quinton Carter – Oklahoma
    4. Jaiquawn Jarrett – Temple
    5. Eugene Clifford – Tennessee State
    6. Robert Sands – West Virginia*
    7. Eric Hagg – Nebraska
    8. Will Hill – Florida*
    9. Jay Valai – Wisconsin
    10. Tejay Johnson – TCU

    Strong Safety
    1. DeAndre McDaniel – Clemson
    2. Ahmad Black – Florida (CB)
    3. Jeron Johnson – Boise State
    4. Tyler Sash – Iowa*
    5. Jermale Hines – Ohio State
    6. Shiloh Keo – Idaho
    7. Joe Lefeged – Rutgers
    8. Nate Williams – Washington
    9. Justin Taplin-Ross – Utah
    10. Duke Ihenacho – San Jose State


    II. Post-Senior Bowl Big Board



    1. A.J. Green – WR – Georgia*
    2. Patrick Peterson – CB – LSU*
    3. Da’Quan Bowers – DE – Clemson*
    4. Cameron Newton – QB – Auburn*
    5. Nick Fairley – DT – Auburn*
    6. Julio Jones – WR – Alabama*
    7. Marcell Dareus – DL – Alabama*
    8. Robert Quinn – DE/LB – North Carolina*
    9. Cameron Jordan – DE – California
    10. Prince Amukamara – CB – Nebraska
    11. Mark Ingram – RB – Alabama*
    12. Ryan Kerrigan – DE/LB – Purdue
    13. Cameron Heyward – DL – Ohio State
    14. J.J. Watt – DE – Wisconsin*
    15. Gabe Carimi – OT – Wisconsin
    16. Justin Houston – OLB – Georgia*
    17. Von Miller – OLB – Texas A&M
    18. Kyle Rudolph – TE – Notre Dame*
    19. Derek Sherrod – OT – Mississippi State
    20. Jimmy Smith – CB – Colorado
    21. Tyron Smith – OT – USC*
    22. Mikel LeShoure – RB – Illinois*
    23. Akeem Ayers – OLB – UCLA*
    24. Mason Foster – OLB – Washington
    25. Titus Young – WR – Boise State
    26. Brandon Harris – CB – Miami*
    27. Anthony Castonzo – OT – Boston College
    28. Leonard Hankerson – WR - Miami
    29. Ryan Mallett – QB – Arkansas*
    30. Mike Pouncey – OG – Florida
    31. Martez Wilson – LB – Illinois*
    32. Nate Solder – OT – Colorado
    33. Adrian Clayborn – DE – Iowa
    34. Jake Locker – QB – Washington
    35. Aldon Smith – DE/LB – Missouri*
    36. Quan Sturdivant – MLB – North Carolina
    37. Christian Ballard – DL – Iowa
    38. Marcus Cannon – OT – TCU
    39. Randall Cobb – WR – Kentucky*
    40. Luke Stocker – TE – Tennessee
    41. Drake Nevis – DT – LSU
    42. Rahim Moore – FS - UCLA
    43. Blaine Gabbert – QB – Missouri*
    44. Torrey Smith – WR – Maryland*
    45. Stephen Paea – DT – Oregon State
    46. Shane Vereen – RB – California*
    47. Corey Liuget – DT – Illinois*
    48. Aaron Williams – CB – Texas*
    49. Phil Taylor – NT - Baylor
    50. Stefan Wisniewski – C – Penn State




    51. Brooks Reed – LB/DE – Arizona
    52. Ryan Williams – RB – Virginia Tech*
    53. Kelvin Sheppard – MLB – LSU
    54. Jonathan Baldwin – WR – Pittsburgh*
    55. Lance Kendricks – TE - Wisconsin
    56. Muhammed Wilkerson – DL – Temple*
    57. Bruce Carter – OLB – North Carolina
    58. K.J. Wright – OLB – Mississippi State
    59. Danny Watkins – OG – Baylor
    60. DeMarco Murray – RB – Oklahoma
    61. Clint Boling – OL – Georgia
    62. Jalil Brown – CB - Colorado
    63. Deunta Williams – FS – North Carolina
    64. Ben Ijalana – OL – Villanova
    65. Jeremy Beal – LB/DE – Oklahoma
    66. John Moffitt – OG – Wisconsin
    67. Quinton Carter – FS - Oklahoma
    68. Kendall Hunter – RB – Oklahoma State
    69. Greg Little – WR – North Carolina
    70. Greg Romeus – DE – Pittsburgh
    71. Jerrel Jernigan – WR – Troy
    72. Colin McCarthy – MLB – Miami
    73. DeAndre McDaniel – SS – Clemson
    74. James Carpenter – OL – Alabama
    75. Jurrell Casey – DT – USC*
    76. Allen Bailey – DE – Miami
    77. Jordan Todman – RB - Connecticut
    78. Brandon Burton – CB – Utah*
    79. Ahmad Black – DB – Florida
    80. Ras-I Dowling – CB – Virginia
    81. Curtis Brown – CB – Texas
    82. Orlando Franklin – OL – Miami
    83. Nate Irving – LB – North Carolina State
    84. Johnny Patrick – CB – Lousiville
    85. Chykie Brown – CB – Texas
    86. Vincent Brown – WR – San Diego State
    87. Jabaal Sheard – DE - Pittsburgh
    88. Jaiquawan Jarrett – FS – Temple
    89. Jarvis Jenkins – DL – Clemson
    90. Rodney Hudson – C – Florida State
    91. Bilal Powell – RB – Louisville
    92. Christian Ponder – QB – Florida State
    93. Sam Acho – LB/DE – Texas
    94. Jerrell Powe – NT – Mississippi
    95. Mark Herzlich – LB – Boston College
    96. Austin Pettis – WR – Boise State
    97. Rashad Carmichael – CB – Virginia Tech
    98. Colin Kaepernick – QB – Nevada
    99. Pernell McPhee – DE – Mississippi State
    100. Lawrence Guy – DT – Arizona State

    - All the rankings above will be posted as the official current rankings at **************.com ... Brought to the DC forums first though!


    III. Senior Bowl Risers/Fallers

    Players that helped their stock at the Senior Bowl
    1. Cameron Jordan – DE - California
    2. Leonard Hankerson – WR – Miami
    3. Brooks Reed – OLB/DE - Arizona
    4. Gabe Carimi – OT – Wisconsin
    5. Titus Young – WR – Boise State
    6. Mason Foster – LB –Washington
    7. Kendric Burney – CB – North Carolina
    8. Kendall Hunter – RB – Oklahoma State
    9. Kelvin Sheppard – LB – LSU
    10. Jalil Brown – CB – Colorado
    11 Christian Ballard – DT/DE – Iowa
    12. Colin Kaepernick – QB – Nevada
    13. Vincent Brown – WR – San Diego State
    14. Luke Stocker – TE – Tennessee
    15. Danny Watkins – OG – Baylor
    16. Colin McCarthy – LB – Miami
    17. Roy Helu – RB – Nebraska
    18. Quinton Carter – FS – Oklahoma
    19. James Carpenter – OL – Alabama
    20. Sam Acho – OLB/DE – Texas
    21. Phil Taylor – NT – Baylor
    22. Clint Boling – OL – Georgia
    23. Cedric Thornton – DT – Southern Arkansas
    24. Curtis Brown – CB – Texas
    25. Derrick Locke – RB – Kentucky

    Players that hurt their stock at the Senior Bowl
    1. Jake Locker – QB – Washington
    2. Allen Bailey – DE – Miami
    3. DeMarcus Love – OL – Arkansas
    4. Andy Dalton – QB – TCU
    5. Greg Jones – LB – Michigan State
    6. Noel Devine – RB – West Virginia
    7. Pierre Allen – DE – Nebraska
    8. Casey Matthews – LB - Oregon
    9. Mark Herzlich – LB – Boston College
    10. Eric Hagg – S – Nebraska
    11. Chris White – LB – Mississippi State
    12. Kevin Kowalski – OL – Toledo
    13. DeMarcus Van Dyke – CB – Miami
    14. Kristofer O’Dowd – C – USC
    15. Charles Clay – FB/TE – Tulsa


    IV. East-West Shrine Movers

    Players that helped their stock
    1. David Carter - DT - UCLA
    2. Delone Carter - RB - Syracuse
    3. Julius Thomas - TE - Portland State
    4. Martin Parker - DT - Richmond
    5. Jah Reid - OT - Central Florida
    6. Terrell McClain - DT - South Florida
    7. Shiloh Keo - SS - Idaho
    8. Ricky Elmore - DE - Arizona
    9. Jordan Cameron - TE - USC
    10. Justin Rogers - CB - Richmond
    11. Will Rackley - OL - Lehigh
    12. Scott Tolzien - QB - Wisconsin
    13. Greg Lloyd - LB - Connecticut
    14. Josh Thomas - CB - Buffalo
    15. David Arkin - OG - Missouri State

    Players that hurt their stock
    1. Jerrod Johnson - QB - Texas A&M
    2. Joseph Barksdale - OT - LSU
    3. Pat Devlin - QB - Delaware
    4. Jeff Maehl - WR - Oregon
    5. Ryan Bartholomew - C - Syracuse
    6. Cecil Shorts - WR - Mount Union
    7. Matt O'Donnell - OT - Queens (Canada)
    8. Armon Binns - WR - Cincinnati
    9. Evan Royster - RB - Penn State
    10. Randall Hunt - OG - Illinois

    IMPORTANT - FINAL NOTE/REQUEST!
    I have a request for any and all of you dedicated fans out there. This year I want to put together a pretty comprehensive team draft preview for each team. Simply put, I need help. I need help from you guys, that perfect fan/draftnik hybrid. What I require is a PM titled your team, for example "Baltimore Ravens." I need a rundown on the holes on your depth chart, the areas in which you could use an upgrade and the areas in which your team NEEDS to add a starter for the upcoming season.

    If you'd be so kind, offer a little insight to your owner/coach's drafting style. I'll pull up each team's draft history myself and do some close checking. List a few players that you feel perfectly fit your schemes, whether or not they may be significant needs. If someone really wanted to knock it out of the park, when you detail your needs to me, send me an example of a few players in this draft class that seem to fit at the position in your team's schemes in your opinion.

    Now, I'm not just going to steal your ideas. I'm going to take your input, expand on it, and make my own judgements along the way. I'll be doing my homework, I just could really use the input from fans that watch every game. I'm not a human TiVo, I watch more college ball than I do pro. I will +rep anyone that sends me this info on their teams and I would greatly appreciate the help. Also, when I post the team previews here I'll be sure to give a special thanks to everyone that may have helped me complete the task. I want to try to get a couple opinions on each team if I can and I'll be doing a lot of the projection/implications myself.

    My final goal isn't one too daunting considering some of the behemoth articles I've put together in the past. I'm looking to analyze each team's needs, project a "priority list", and be able to give the fans here some perfect fits for their schemes. I need your help mainly analyzing your teams depth charts and projecting immediate & long-term needs. Be sure to list any Unrestricted Free Agents, as they will be considered due to the fear behind the Collective Bargaining agreement.

    For a quick rundown, if you'd like to help me out I need the following things:
    • Immediate Needs, a starter needs to be added by 2011
    • Long-term needs, age/future free agent concern
    • Positions at which an upgrade is possible over tenured players
    • Brief Description of your team's schemes
    • Drafting style from Owner/Coach if relevant
    • A few players you feel fit your schemes
    • Your upcoming Unrestricted Free Agents (if significant)

    Note: There are a few teams I'm already very clear on: Cincinnati and Cleveland being the only two that I feel entirely comfortable with today. I watch almost every game of both teams and have gotten accustomed to the way each organization is run. Obviously with a new HC in Cleveland, I'll have to do some guessing as to their intentions but not so much their needs.

    Thank you. I really appreciate any help you guys can offer. The DC forums are still the best place for draft discussion on the net and the site with the best & most knowledgeable fans. When I need help I know where to ask.
    Last edited by ThePudge; 01-31-2011, 06:58 AM.

    big props to BoneKrusher for the sig & avatar
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  • #2
    That's it? Nice rankings and all but I just wish I could just get some insight somewhere of who the Panthers will take #1 overall. ;)

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    • #3
      Originally posted by TACKLE View Post
      That's it? Nice rankings and all but I just wish I could just get some insight somewhere of who the Panthers will take #1 overall. ;)
      Guaranteed to be up Tuesday morning. It's been done since early Friday morning, around 5 AM, but I've been waiting anxiously to post it. Supposed to be up on DB tomorrow night, so I'm going to post it the following morning here. Might be my best article yet, but it's not for those short on attention or time. Five players profiled and 4500+ words of analysis. I'm excited to get it up on the boards & on the site.

      big props to BoneKrusher for the sig & avatar
      - For daily NFL draft coverage:
      www.twitter.com/ryanlownes

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      • #4
        Incredible player compilation Pudge, once again!

        How to view the RB depth and which position do you feel is the deepest heading into the draft???

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        • #5
          You really believe Jake Locker hurt himself the most at the Senior Bowl. He had his ups and downs, did not blow anyone away but he didn't do bad in the game and had his good days during the week. You can do better than that. I'm curious how Charles Clay hurt himself too. I heard nothing but good things about him during the game. Casey Matthews has no business on the "hurt" list either, unless you qualify "showed he's not his brother". He did as expected..showed he isn't the player his brother is but he's a solid ILB with great instincts. Lawrence Wilson didn't make your top 25 guys that helped themselves at the Senior Bowl...but he made Kirwan's top 10. One final thing...Brandon Hogan. You don't think torn ACL and all that he's one of the top 25 CB's? I know he has horrible character but the guy is a great cover corner. He'd have looked awesome at the Senior Bowl had he been healthy.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by JPP90 View Post
            You really believe Jake Locker hurt himself the most at the Senior Bowl. He had his ups and downs, did not blow anyone away but he didn't do bad in the game and had his good days during the week. You can do better than that. I'm curious how Charles Clay hurt himself too. I heard nothing but good things about him during the game. Casey Matthews has no business on the "hurt" list either, unless you qualify "showed he's not his brother". He did as expected..showed he isn't the player his brother is but he's a solid ILB with great instincts. Lawrence Wilson didn't make your top 25 guys that helped themselves at the Senior Bowl...but he made Kirwan's top 10. One final thing...Brandon Hogan. You don't think torn ACL and all that he's one of the top 25 CB's? I know he has horrible character but the guy is a great cover corner. He'd have looked awesome at the Senior Bowl had he been healthy.
            The numbers were kind an unofficial thing. I based it as much on the profile of the player as how much they hurt themselves. I think Jake Locker proved everyone right that said at this point he's a Second Round value. I had him in my Top 15 before. He took a fairly dramatic slide down my board, into the Early-2nd Round value.

            Lawrence Wilson is still a bit small for my liking. I see him as fringe 3rd/4th Round guy in the upcoming draft, and that's just about where I saw him before the week. If he's able to bulk up to roughly 235 and flash the same athleticism in agility drills then I'll be moving him up my board.

            Though Tulsa's Charles Clay was able to put together a decent game, I heard of several reports saying he looked out of place in practice. I think he came in to the week needing to prove to scouts that he had a position in the NFL, whether it be H-Back, Tight End, or Fullback. At this point I think it's clear he only has potential at H-Back and will need to improve dramatically as both a pass and run blocker if he wants to see the field.

            Casey Matthews is a guy that many hoped could be a solid 3rd Round talent, but I think he showed this week that he has athletic/size limitations and may never be more than a reserve player. He's more in the 5th Round range, I think, after an average week.

            Brandon Hogan should be in the CB rankings. Without looking at them I think he's around 15th at the position. Big talent, injury/character concerns are very valid.

            big props to BoneKrusher for the sig & avatar
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            • #7
              Originally posted by FUNBUNCHER View Post
              Incredible player compilation Pudge, once again!

              How to view the RB depth and which position do you feel is the deepest heading into the draft???
              I love the Running Back depth in this year's draft. I think the Top 17 or so on my board have the ability to become contributors at the next level sometime in the next two-three years. The 2 Back systems we're seeing more around the league, along with the amount of injury/turnover at the position, opens the door for a lot of young guys to produce. I don't think it's all too strong at the top, though I'm still a big Mark Ingram fan and I think he could make a great NFL back.

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              • #8
                good stuff, pudge. i'm wondering why you don't see martez in a 43. is it because he's more of a downhill player? also, does late second/early third seem like the right range for sturdivant? could he end up being a legitimate plus starter at the next level?
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                • #9
                  Brooks Reed has certainly made a jump haha! I'm really starting to fall in love with him as a prospect and I'm glad to see that I'm not the only one to think he's helped himself as much as he has. It was an exciting week of practices and a great game for him. I can honestly see him going in the back half of the first round if he comes out and does what is expected of him at the combine. Really a natural at 3-4 OLB.

                  I like what you've done with your five technique rankings quite a bit.

                  Good stuff as always man. I think the Locker slide is a little too big for my preference, but I can see the justification without a problem.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by ThePudge View Post
                    The numbers were kind an unofficial thing. I based it as much on the profile of the player as how much they hurt themselves. I think Jake Locker proved everyone right that said at this point he's a Second Round value. I had him in my Top 15 before. He took a fairly dramatic slide down my board, into the Early-2nd Round value.

                    Lawrence Wilson is still a bit small for my liking. I see him as fringe 3rd/4th Round guy in the upcoming draft, and that's just about where I saw him before the week. If he's able to bulk up to roughly 235 and flash the same athleticism in agility drills then I'll be moving him up my board.

                    Though Tulsa's Charles Clay was able to put together a decent game, I heard of several reports saying he looked out of place in practice. I think he came in to the week needing to prove to scouts that he had a position in the NFL, whether it be H-Back, Tight End, or Fullback. At this point I think it's clear he only has potential at H-Back and will need to improve dramatically as both a pass and run blocker if he wants to see the field.

                    Casey Matthews is a guy that many hoped could be a solid 3rd Round talent, but I think he showed this week that he has athletic/size limitations and may never be more than a reserve player. He's more in the 5th Round range, I think, after an average week.

                    Brandon Hogan should be in the CB rankings. Without looking at them I think he's around 15th at the position. Big talent, injury/character concerns are very valid.
                    I guess we have to agree to disagree on Locker. I don't think he hurt himself as dramatically as a lot of fans think he did. You'll still see him in the 1st round. QBs with his upside and his arm to make all the throws don't slide out of the 1st round. His issues are correctable in the right system. A team confident in their system and their coaching staff can make a star out him. His learning curve is definently lower than that of Tebow and of what Newton will face. You think Locker needs to develop, wait til you see Newton play NFL QB. If the NFL was from the shoulders down, that ranking might be good.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Cunningham View Post
                      good stuff, pudge. i'm wondering why you don't see martez in a 43. is it because he's more of a downhill player? also, does late second/early third seem like the right range for sturdivant? could he end up being a legitimate plus starter at the next level?
                      I think Martez is a really good fit at Strongside Linebacker in the 4-3 for most schemes/styles. He's further down in my 4-3 rankings purely because I think Miller, Foster, and Ayers are better fits in the system. It's close between he and Ayers for me. I think Miller and Foster are the two best pros at the position in the 4-3 front, both likely at Weakside Linebacker.

                      I'm a big fan of Quan Sturdivant. I think he should come off the board by the middle of the 2nd Round, though I could see him slipping if he's unable to put in a good showing in Indianapolis. Really instinctual 'Mike' backer who seems to be a great leader and a guy who is always around the ball. He's a defensive leader and I think he's going to be a heck of a starter in the NFL. I'm upset he wasn't there at the Senior Bowl.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by ElectricEye View Post
                        Brooks Reed has certainly made a jump haha! I'm really starting to fall in love with him as a prospect and I'm glad to see that I'm not the only one to think he's helped himself as much as he has. It was an exciting week of practices and a great game for him. I can honestly see him going in the back half of the first round if he comes out and does what is expected of him at the combine. Really a natural at 3-4 OLB.

                        I like what you've done with your five technique rankings quite a bit.

                        Good stuff as always man. I think the Locker slide is a little too big for my preference, but I can see the justification without a problem.
                        I think Locker pretty much confirmed for us that he is a guy with questionable pocket presence and shaky accuracy at this point. I think he has the potential to be a good starting Quarterback in the future, but he's not one I'd personally take in the Top 10 if I were a struggling franchise today.

                        His mechanics are obviously much better than a guy like Tebow's, but for whatever reason he just doesn't appear to have as good a feel for the game. Locker shows all the signs of a QB that played behind a poor OL and right now he has yet to prove that he can really be a dangerous passer capable of finding a consistent rhythm.

                        I still like a lot about him, but I think are definite concerns that people need to acknowledge. He's obviously a very smart kid, very dedicated, and extremely competitive. He has all the tools you could ask for physically and athletically. I really like him if he's able to go to a place where he's able to sit for a year or two. I think he needs to build up some confidence and be thrown in when he's ready, so he'll be less likely to return to old habits when things aren't going well. I think he's worth a pick between 25-35. He'll probably wind up going between 10 and 25. He's definitely a project QB at this point.

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                        • #13
                          I actually thought DeMarcus Van Dyke helped his stock at the Senior Bowl. What part of his play did you think hurt him? I thought he did an excellent job in shutting down Titus Young and from all of the reports that I've read, everyone was saying he had a great week of practices.

                          Also, why do you think that Taiwan Jones is higher than a guy like Derrick Locke? I understand Locke doesn't have ideal size, but I don't see what's up with all the hype in Taiwan Jones.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by ThePudge View Post
                            I think Locker pretty much confirmed for us that he is a guy with questionable pocket presence and shaky accuracy at this point. I think he has the potential to be a good starting Quarterback in the future, but he's not one I'd personally take in the Top 10 if I were a struggling franchise today.

                            His mechanics are obviously much better than a guy like Tebow's, but for whatever reason he just doesn't appear to have as good a feel for the game. Locker shows all the signs of a QB that played behind a poor OL and right now he has yet to prove that he can really be a dangerous passer capable of finding a consistent rhythm.

                            I still like a lot about him, but I think are definite concerns that people need to acknowledge. He's obviously a very smart kid, very dedicated, and extremely competitive. He has all the tools you could ask for physically and athletically. I really like him if he's able to go to a place where he's able to sit for a year or two. I think he needs to build up some confidence and be thrown in when he's ready, so he'll be less likely to return to old habits when things aren't going well. I think he's worth a pick between 25-35. He'll probably wind up going between 10 and 25. He's definitely a project QB at this point.
                            You're never going to be a "dangerous passer" playing at Washington. He had his moments at Washington but no one is going to look great week in and week out with their lack of WRs and protection...and lame play-calling. If you are to judge him by not putting up huge stats at ashington and by a week of all star game practices, you're not judging him fairly. Its not about he did or didn't do now, its what he's capable of. And the cast around him in the NFL is going to be 1000 times better than he ever had at Washington, and he's gonna have the opportunity to work within a teams system and with their players for longer than 4 days. You can't say he needs 2 years to sit because you don't know what he could be like after 2 months in Minnesota working everyday with Sidney Rice, Percy Harvin, Bernard Berrian, Visanthe Shaincoe. Arizona with Fitzgerald and Breaston. He could be a fine rookie QB working with guys like that everyday. Of course, put him in Carolina with Armanti Edwards and David Gettis and I'm sure your point would be made...he'd struggle. But its all in where you go.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by ThePudge View Post
                              I think Locker pretty much confirmed for us that he is a guy with questionable pocket presence and shaky accuracy at this point. I think he has the potential to be a good starting Quarterback in the future, but he's not one I'd personally take in the Top 10 if I were a struggling franchise today.
                              I think that's fair. I sort of disagree with the questionable pocket pressence thing a bit. He always keep his eyes down field and looks to run second. Might not be Tom Brady in terms of feeling the rush, but I wouldn't call that a knock. He was worse this year than he was last in that category though.

                              Every quarterback prospect is probably better off not being taken by a struggling franchise, but I do agree that if you put Locker in a bad situation early he's the type you may lose. Hopefully he goes somewhere with a strong offensive line and a good quarterback coach.

                              Originally posted by ThePudge View Post
                              His mechanics are obviously much better than a guy like Tebow's, but for whatever reason he just doesn't appear to have as good a feel for the game. Locker shows all the signs of a QB that played behind a poor OL and right now he has yet to prove that he can really be a dangerous passer capable of finding a consistent rhythm.

                              I still like a lot about him, but I think are definite concerns that people need to acknowledge. He's obviously a very smart kid, very dedicated, and extremely competitive. He has all the tools you could ask for physically and athletically. I really like him if he's able to go to a place where he's able to sit for a year or two. I think he needs to build up some confidence and be thrown in when he's ready, so he'll be less likely to return to old habits when things aren't going well. I think he's worth a pick between 25-35. He'll probably wind up going between 10 and 25. He's definitely a project QB at this point.
                              The thing that helps him the most in spite of the obvious athletic gifts are his intangibles. If we were talking about someone who wasn't a hard worker or wasn't the most cerebral guy in the world it would be another story for me. In the end, that's why a team will take him in the first round in conjunction with the talent. Quarterback rankings are going to come down to preference this year in my opinion, at least with those top four guys. There's not one of them who I think is unquestionably better than the others in the eyes of NFL teams right now(although I could be wrong, just the vibe I'm getting at this moment and the tid bits we're picking up in the media). These quarterbacks are going to be different places on everyone boards and with a little chaos I could still see Locker going as high as Washington because of the level of interest they've shown in him. He's pretty much the prototype in terms of what Shanahan looks for. It would take a good showing in workouts and at the combine, but I still think it's in play. Washington might be able to trade down to get them if they can find a partner(although looking at it early I can't see any obvious situation where that happens).

                              It's certainly still interesting. I think this week was useful for us though in terms of checking in with where he's at and what direction he's heading in. I'm still optimistic about the future, but it's all about the right fit and situation for him.

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