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  • BJ Raji versus Phil Taylor....better prospect??

    The 2009 draft was thin in retrospect for elite interior Dline talent, thus far, and Raji appears to be the gem of that class.

    My question is, how does Taylor compare to Raji and is he worth a top 15 pick for a 34 team lacking a stud in the middle??

    I know that Phil Taylor is bigger, possibly stronger, nice workout numbers but I doubt he has the agility, pass rush ability or pursuit that Raji had at BC.

    If a team like say the Skins took him at 10, is it a 'chalk' pick, or a Tyson Jackson type selection where people are thinking, 'wtf, NO WAY is he a value selection that high!!'

    What's more important if you're building a 34 D from scratch; a dominant NT or a terrorizing OLB???

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    He doesnt compare to BJ Raji. Taylor is 2nd rounder at best, BJ was a Top 10 pick.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Brent View Post
      He doesnt compare to BJ Raji. Taylor is 2nd rounder at best, BJ was a Top 10 pick.

      I was expecting more of a 'why' answer, not a 'because' declaration.

      I haven't seen enough of Taylor playing for Baylor and obviously GB took Raji at 9 not just because he was the BPA but because they really needed that anchor in the middle of their D and he was there, talented, and filled a need.
      Last edited by FUNBUNCHER; 03-07-2011, 06:34 AM.

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      • #4
        Don't understad the hype behind Taylor, he was rising even before the combine just for being huge. Good combine, but nothing that suddenly makes him a top-25 prospect in this class. If Kansas City doesn't bring back Edwards it's a possibility he goes that high. Otherwise he'll be in the 25-35 range
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        • #5
          There is zero comparison. Raji was scheme versatile and could play in either a 3-4 or 4-3, while Taylor is pretty much a pure 3-4 nose tackle. Raji was much more explosive and quick with nearly equal strength. Taylor is a late first rounder at best, and Raji was a legitimate top 10 pick.

          As for the latter question, I say OLB. The pass is everything in today's NFL, and the most important aspect for a defense is its play against the pass.


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          • #6
            Here's why Raji is a top 10 pick and Phil Taylor is a late 1st-2nd:

            Raji 10 yard split: 1.69 seconds.
            Taylor 10 yard split: 1.77 seconds.
            (For comparison purposes: Ron Brace: 1.88 seconds, Terrence Cody: 1.90 seconds).

            Raji is explosive over short distances in addition to being stout and powerful, which is why he's significantly more valuable as a nose tackle than a guy who's just big. Remember, the nose tackle in a 3-4 defense is supposed to force double-teams because he is otherwise disruptive; there's no such thing as a "defensive blocker".
            Last edited by PossibleCabbage; 03-06-2011, 07:26 PM.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by FUNBUNCHER View Post
              What's more important if you're building a 34 D from scratch; a dominant NT or a terrorizing OLB???
              Both:

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              • #8
                Raji wasn't regarded as highly either till the senior bowl and was being talked about as a second round prospect till then. Taylor could still be picked high(a team like Houston makes sense IMO) but this class has so much depth I dont think its likely and Raji was a better prospect. Raji had his questions too. One year of great production, the academic eligibility issues and whether playing next to Ron Brace helped him out more.

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                • #9
                  the combine is the reason BJ Raji was so highly rated over Phil Taylor... not that stuff... it happens on the actual field of play... oh yea, games.

                  I'll take the dominant nose tackle over a linebacker all day long... it's not even close.

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                  • #10
                    I gotta' admit. I think a great NT is much better than a great LB in pretty much either scheme. If you have a guy that can make his presence be known by disrupting the interior offensive line, then he will make the rest of your team look a lot better. I don't think you can say the same about a great LB, but both are great to have.

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                    • #11
                      Taylor put on a show at Senior Bowl practices. He was virtually unblockable. In the pass-heavy, spread-em-out Big 12 he didn't make much of an impact.

                      And NFL teams don't like drafting 2-down players very high (especially because 3rd down is the most important down in football). Raji could rush the passer a little and had the versatility and athleticism to make an impact on passing downs as well. Taylor's a behemoth who will occasionally get to the passer but will make his money stuffing the run - not on 3rd and 7.
                      Last edited by gpngc; 03-06-2011, 10:58 PM.
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                      • #12
                        KC will have the luxury of getting a quality player at various positions of need and Taylor is high on our list.

                        I wouldn't be dissapointed one bit if we took him with our 1st pick. Dorsey, Taylor and Smith would be a heck of a 34 DL

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by asdf1223 View Post
                          Raji wasn't regarded as highly either till the senior bowl and was being talked about as a second round prospect till then. Taylor could still be picked high(a team like Houston makes sense IMO) but this class has so much depth I dont think its likely and Raji was a better prospect. Raji had his questions too. One year of great production, the academic eligibility issues and whether playing next to Ron Brace helped him out more.
                          Raji's only problem was that bs academic problem...BC trench player who was well known and highly thought of as a junior...shiny new toy syndrome kicked in new names became hot...guy was a legit top 10 pick in his draft and probably one of the 5 or so best players on draft day.

                          Taylor just wasn't as dominant as Raji was in college...I think someone might buy him late in the first...the man is 340 and he can move like a LBer.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by SenorGato View Post
                            Raji's only problem was that bs academic problem...BC trench player who was well known and highly thought of as a junior...shiny new toy syndrome kicked in new names became hot...guy was a legit top 10 pick in his draft and probably one of the 5 or so best players on draft day.

                            Taylor just wasn't as dominant as Raji was in college...I think someone might buy him late in the first...the man is 340 and he can move like a LBer.
                            This. B.J. Raji was awesome at BC and killed the senior bowl and combine. His only concerns was the academic stuff and a false report that he tested positive for drugs.

                            Raji wasn't quite Suh as a prospect but he wasn't too far off. Taylor isn't in the same stratosphere. He's big and strong. That's what he's got. Raji was big, quick, agile, strong, technique savvy, and had great production throughout his BC career. He was a lock to go top 10.. there was absolutely zero doubt he'd be gone by 11.
                            Last edited by Sportsfan486; 03-07-2011, 03:29 AM.


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                            • #15
                              Raji, you could say had more character concerns than Phil Taylor. Raji tested positive for drugs at the combine(whether true or false still a concern) and missed an entire year of football for academic reasons. Raji was more productive over they course of the tape you watch, but he was not deemed a top 10 pick until he dominated at Sr. Bowl Week.
                              Last edited by no bare feet; 03-07-2011, 06:50 AM.
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