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  • Paea vs Liuget

    Who is better ?
    NFL comparison ?

    I'm pretty sure Julio Jones and AJ Green will be gone by #14 for the Rams, so DL would be my next choice. You know Spags likes DL also.

  • #2
    I prefer Paea but neither are worth the #14 pick IMO.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by killxswitch View Post
      I prefer Paea but neither are worth the #14 pick IMO.
      That may be your opinion, but Liuget has a legit (see what did there:/) shot at going to the Rams at 14.

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      • #4
        Give me Liuget, I think he deserves to be a top 15 pick.

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        • #5
          I personally prefer Paea but it seems as though Liuget will go higher as of right now. I haven't seen a ton of tape on him actually, but his stock is rising quickly.
          Originally posted by Mr. Goosemahn
          The APS is strong in this one.
          Originally posted by killxswitch
          Tears for Fears is better than whatever it is you happen to be thinking about right now.

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          • #6
            I love Liuget's upside. Some games last year he was a dominant, top 10 pick type player. Other games not so much. Paea is more consistent with a motor that is always on. I'd want to draft Liuget for my team first, but I would love Paea as a big strong 3 technique who can penetrate.

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            • #7
              I'm going with Paea. The only knocks I have on him is his pass rush techniques are raw and he has short arms.

              But the functional strength, the first step, the hand punch, the motor, the leverage, it's all there. If we're talking 3 tech, I'm taling Paea over Liugett all day.

              Liugett has a slow first step, he seems more like a 2 gap run stuffer to me. I like his long arms, and his stouteness at the point, but that's about it. He screams average NFL player to me.

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              • #8
                When I went back and watched some of both of them recently, I thought Liuget looked like a better prospect - Paea spends a lot of the time on the ground and just generally doesn't look like he has great balance.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by bigbluedefense View Post
                  I'm going with Paea. The only knocks I have on him is his pass rush techniques are raw and he has short arms.

                  But the functional strength, the first step, the hand punch, the motor, the leverage, it's all there. If we're talking 3 tech, I'm taling Paea over Liugett all day.

                  Liugett has a slow first step, he seems more like a 2 gap run stuffer to me. I like his long arms, and his stouteness at the point, but that's about it. He screams average NFL player to me.
                  To be fair Liuget has a very fair motor and hand punch and Pea might be more of a 2-gap run stuffer as well (although his arms are pretty short).

                  However, yes, I'd take Pea. Pea is a rare talent because of his pheomenal strength. He has the lower body strength to anchor excellently, and the upper body strength to easily get off blocks. Needs to polish his technique slightly but the upside to be an elite 2-gap player is there. He also has superior explosiveness and burst off the ball compared to Liuget, which is the most important thing in my book. Not that Pea is a pocket collapser, but he can penetrate and definitely be more disruptive against the run and pass although his pressure won't always turn into sacks

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Nebula View Post
                    To be fair Liuget has a very fair motor and hand punch and Pea might be more of a 2-gap run stuffer as well (although his arms are pretty short).

                    However, yes, I'd take Pea. Pea is a rare talent because of his pheomenal strength. He has the lower body strength to anchor excellently, and the upper body strength to easily get off blocks. Needs to polish his technique slightly but the upside to be an elite 2-gap player is there. He also has superior explosiveness and burst off the ball compared to Liuget, which is the most important thing in my book. Not that Pea is a pocket collapser, but he can penetrate and definitely be more disruptive against the run and pass although his pressure won't always turn into sacks
                    Paea could be the missing piece of the puzzle for teams with good pass rushing ends but mediocre DEs. Colts and Giants come to mind.

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                    • #11
                      I think Liuget has the higher upside as an interior pass rusher, so that would likely push him up boards a bit further than Paea.

                      I think either would be a great pickup by a team in the 20s, but 14 may be pushing it a little.

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                      • #12
                        What I really love about Paea is that his upside is huge. He only started playing football as a HS senior. He is still going to be incredibly open to technique coaching.




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                        • #13
                          Overall, the chances of Liuget going higher seems more likely right now. He's got a decent chance of going mid-first. I see the upside, but to be honest, I don't see enough consistent production to think he deserves to go mid-first. That said, the potential is there, and NFL teams have a tendency to overvalue guys with pass rushing potential. Right now, I think Liuget is anywhere from a mid first to early 2nd, while Paea is more of a late first - mid 2nd.

                          Speaking specifically to the Rams, Liuget likely makes a bit more sense for you guys as well. While Spags is willing to get creative and move guys around, ideally, I'm sure he'd like to have an interior penetrator and Liuget's pass-rushing potential is higher than Paea's.

                          If we're talking interior linemen for the Rams, though, don't rule out a couple other possibilities. Muhammad Wilkerson could work his way up to the mid-first, and while most have him pegged as a 5-tech, it wouldn't surprise me if a 4-3 team thought he could excel inside. The same goes for a guy like JJ Watt.

                          Btw, who do I personally prefer? Probably Paea. I like big, strong, touch interior DL guys, and he'll give you a decent push as well.

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                          • #14
                            I like both guys a lot. Like Liuget a little more though. Both have good upside. Paea is relatively new to football and will be a better pro than he was in college where he faced a lot of double teams. Quick first step, big time strength, never-ending motor. I think he can be a pro-bowl caliber DT.

                            As for Liuget, I think he also can be pro-bowl caliber, but brings a different package to the table. I think his first step is good enough, but could get better. I think he's strong enough, but could get stronger. He was pretty heavily recruited out of HS. Just showed flashes for a couple years then really put it together this year at Illinois. I think in the right scheme he could be a star. I think teams that look at him as a 3-4 DE are going to be disappointed. Reminds me a lot of Ziggy Hood, who finally started to play well at DE down the stretch for the Steelers. But I still think Hood would be better as a 3-technique in the 4-3. Has a strong bull rush, and I think giving him solely 3-gap responsibilities will allow him to develop other pass rush moves and get him in the backfield more consistently.

                            As a Bears fan, if Liuget is there (and guys like Pouncey and Carimi are gone), then I hope they take him at 29. If all 3 are gone, I'd look to trade down to get Paea, because there are a lot of 3-4 teams late 1st and early 2nd that simply aren't going to take him.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by holt_bruce81 View Post
                              Give me Liuget, I think he deserves to be a top 15 pick.
                              Originally posted by holt_bruce81 View Post
                              I've seen a mock draft where they have him [Liuget] going to the Rams at #14. I would puke if that happens.
                              One month ago. Nice consistency.

                              Liuget @ #12 to Minnesota isn't out of the question.

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