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  • #31
    [QUOTE=GaMeTiMe;2564764]I feel that now you moved Williams to safety in the rankings almost to "balance the power" between the strong corner class and putrid safety class.

    If Williams plays safety in the NFL, which he may, he'd be the best safety from this draft - I can admit that is true. However I still do think he's a corner prospect and has no better chance to play safety than Patrick Peterson or Jimmy Smith do.[/quote

    I think Aaron Williams falls into the Malcolm Jenkins category in that you can start him at corner and if it doesn't work out he's capable of excelling at safety. Keep in mind that Williams basically has the exact same measurables whens it comes to height / weight / speed as UCLA's Rahim Moore, who everyone basically regards as the top safety prospect in this class.

    Originally posted by GaMeTiMe View Post
    Also one thing that jumps out to me is the love for Stanzi. You have him at #43 in the latest mock, two picks behind Ponder and four behind Mallet - He's #74 overall, while Mallet is 44 and Ponder is 48. I understand the positional value at QB is higher than any other position and obviously the picks in a mock don't always follow someone's rankings, but not only do I think you have him mocked high but I think you still have him high at 74. He's probably a borderline 3rd round prospect at this point to be generous, and it's unfair to put him ahead of Kaepernick (99) and Dalton, who I guess didn't crack the top-100 of your rankings.
    I will fully admit that I pushed Stanzi up in my mock draft simply because the Vikings are desperate for a quarterback and both Mallett and Ponder were gone. I also considered strongly Kaepernick in that spot. With that said, I feel Stanzi is a solid third round pick, both on my board and in the leagues eyes. I think at least one of Stanzi / Kaepernick will wind up in Round 2. As for Dalton, I don't see all the love. Dalton is a backup in the NFL, at best.


    Originally posted by GaMeTiMe View Post
    Edit - Also, if you could explain the thought process behind the OT rankings - the top-5 (Castonzo, Smith, Solder, Carimi, Sherrod) is pretty much different for everybody who follows the draft, and I know you were recently talking up Smith as a top-15 pick, so what did you see in Castonzo to put him above him?

    Not saying I disagree with the OT rankings because you can literally pull the 5 names out of a hat in any order, but what was your train of thought and did any of the top-5 guys really change your opinion of them in any major way since your last rankings?

    Of everything I've said here, I'd be really happy if you could explain that.
    Whenever I work on my rankings those Top 5 offensives tackles are what I struggle with the most, and second-place isn't even close. Basically the order I'd give you might change based on the time of day you ask me! When I was writing the new rankings out on paper I actually had Smith ahead of Castonzo but when it was time to input it into the web page I changed it. The ultimate reason was that Castonzo, while not quite as naturally talented as Smith, is more of a sure-thing and I am notoriously conservative. With Castonzo there are no concerns about his ability to play the left side, about his intelligence, etc. and he also has a fantastic pedigree. There is no doubt in my mind that Castonzo is going to start in the league for a decade, whereas Smith is more of a high risk / high reward type. Both are in my Top 20 overall though. As for the next group, I went Carimi third because like Castonzo I think he's a very safe pick and he really impressed me at the Senior Bowl. Solder is an engima who has the sheer talent to be #1 on the list and a Top 10 overall pick, I just don't see it on the field nearly enough. Solder is a true Boom or Bust prospect. As anyone who has been following the site this year probably knows, I do like Sherrod a lot though and nearly put him third.
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    • #32
      i dont see how Newton is at 26 but gabbert is at 8. these are basically the same prospect, they should both be in the top 10 or they should both be in the 25 area. Spread QBs with great upside but alot to learn.

      the intangibles are not an issue with Newton. If anything Newton will be able to command an NFL locker room better than Gabbert. Newton's won big games on big stages. Gabbert hasn't.

      I also wonder how Newton's intangibles are so worrying but Robert Quinn taking a year off is no problem? How is what Newton accused of any different from what Quinn was suspended for?
      Last edited by bitonti; 03-28-2011, 10:47 AM.
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      • #33
        I don't remember Aaron Williams playing any safety in college and I probably would as I watch every UT game possible. However, the transition is overrated. Make no mistake, free safety is lower profile position for a reason. It's similar to asking a short-stop to move to second base.

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        • #34
          Curious as to why so down on Stefen Wisniewski

          sig by BoneKrusher

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          • #35
            Im just doing a list of guys id have higher and lower at a few positions, no need to even react:

            QB
            Higher:
            TJ Jates (id have him 10th qb)
            Taylor Potts (12th)

            Lower:
            Ricky Stanzi (8th)
            Tyrod Taylor (16th)

            RB:
            Higher:
            Da'Rel Scott (12th)
            Vai Taua (16th)

            Lower:
            Ryan Williams (8th)
            Even Royster (35th)

            WR
            Higher:
            Terrance Tolliver (12th)
            Ricardo Lockette (25th)

            Lower:
            Titus Young (7th, actually thought I was high on him)
            Kealoha Pilares (40th)

            OLB
            Higher:
            Eric Gordon (15th)
            Michael Morgan (18th)

            Lower:
            Akeem Ayers(6th, I just dont like him, was ranked up there on the premise of him blowing up the combine but he actually was bad there, have no clue why people rank him that high)
            Colin McCarthey (20th, really not high on him, mediocre tackler, barely athletic at all, suprised he got so overrated)

            gonna add more


            Saints 2014 draft wish list:
            - No pass rusher till the fourth round (or preferably at all)
            - Corner or Wideout in the first
            - No reaching
            - No Kelvin Benjamin

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            • #36
              Originally posted by bitonti View Post
              i dont see how Newton is at 26 but gabbert is at 8. these are basically the same prospect, they should both be in the top 10 or they should both be in the 25 area. Spread QBs with great upside but alot to learn.

              the intangibles are not an issue with Newton. If anything Newton will be able to command an NFL locker room better than Gabbert. Newton's won big games on big stages. Gabbert hasn't.

              I also wonder how Newton's intangibles are so worrying but Robert Quinn taking a year off is no problem? How is what Newton accused of any different from what Quinn was suspended for?
              you really cant dismiss the character flaws of newton like that.


              Saints 2014 draft wish list:
              - No pass rusher till the fourth round (or preferably at all)
              - Corner or Wideout in the first
              - No reaching
              - No Kelvin Benjamin

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              • #37
                Originally posted by bitonti View Post
                i dont see how Newton is at 26 but gabbert is at 8. these are basically the same prospect, they should both be in the top 10 or they should both be in the 25 area. Spread QBs with great upside but alot to learn.

                the intangibles are not an issue with Newton. If anything Newton will be able to command an NFL locker room better than Gabbert. Newton's won big games on big stages. Gabbert hasn't.

                I also wonder how Newton's intangibles are so worrying but Robert Quinn taking a year off is no problem? How is what Newton accused of any different from what Quinn was suspended for?
                I'd agree the QBs should be ranked pretty much together and the varitation on how people rank them would probably support that. For me i'd have Gabbert, Locker and Newton all in the 10-15 range.

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                • #38
                  For those who were interested, I've updated the rankings and player pages with heights, weights and forties from the Scouting Combine. In mid-April I'll go through and update to reflect Pro Day results for those who either didn't work out or weren't invited to Indy.
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                  • #39
                    ranking movement

                    I had a copy of the previous rankings so here are the ranking movements for each player. Of note

                    UP
                    • Christian Ponder +50
                    • James Carpenter +30
                    • Jabaal Sheard +26
                    • Greg Romeus +25
                    • Johnny Patrick +19
                    • Orlando Franklin +19
                    • Mike Pouncey +18

                    DOWN
                    • Jeremy Beal -36
                    • Jonathan Baldwin -18
                    • Stefen Wisniewski -23
                    • Cam Newton -13

                    1. Patrick Peterson CBL.S.U. +1
                    2. A.J. Green WRGeorgia -1
                    3. Marcell Dareus DTAlabama +1
                    4. Von Miller OLBTexas A&M +4
                    5. Robert Quinn DENorth Carolina -2
                    6. Julio Jones WRAlabama +3
                    7. Da'Quan Bowers DEClemson -2
                    8. Blaine Gabbert QBMissouri +2
                    9. Prince Amukamara CBNebraska -2
                    10. Aldon Smith DEMissouri +1
                    11. Nick Fairley DTAuburn -5
                    12. Cameron Jordan DECalifornia 0
                    13. Anthony Costanzo OT BC +9
                    14. J.J. Watt DEWisconsin +1
                    15. Ryan Kerrigan DEPurdue -1
                    16. Tyron Smith OT USC 0
                    17. Adrian Clayborn DE Iowa +1
                    18. Mark Ingram RBAlabama -1
                    19. Mike Pouncey OGFlorida +18
                    20. Brandon Harris CBMiami (FL) +1
                    21. Jake Locker QBWashington -1
                    22. Gabe Carimi OTWisconsin +9
                    23. Corey Liuget DTIllinois +6
                    24. Nate Solder OTColorado +4
                    25. Kyle Rudolph TENotre Dame +1
                    26. Cam Newton QBAuburn -13
                    27. Aaron Williams STexas +3
                    28. Cameron Heyward DEOhio St. -5
                    29. Derek Sherrod OTMississippi St. -4
                    30. Stephen Paea DTOregon St. -6
                    31. Jimmy Smith CBColorado +4
                    32. Muhammad Wilkerson DTTemple +12
                    33. Akeem Ayers OLBUCLA -14
                    34. Danny Watkins OGBaylor +11
                    35. Allen Bailey DEMiami (FL) -8
                    36. Christian Ballard DTIowa 0
                    37. Bruce Carter OLBNorth Carolina +5
                    38. Orlando Franklin OTMiami (FL) +19
                    39. Justin Houston OLBGeorgia -6
                    40. Lance Kendricks TEWisconsin +8
                    41. Brooks Reed DEArizona+12
                    42. Phil Taylor DTBaylor +12
                    43. Rahim Moore SUCLA -9
                    44. Ryan Mallett QBArkansas -6
                    45. Ras-I Dowling CBVirginia +10
                    46. Marcus Cannon OGT.C.U. -3
                    47. Titus Young WRBoise St. +2
                    48. Christian Ponder QBFlorida St. +50
                    49. Jabaal Sheard DEPittsburgh +26
                    50. Jon Baldwin WRPittsburgh -18
                    51. Johnny Patrick CBLouisville +19
                    52. Rodney Hudson OGFlorida St. -5
                    53. Marvin Austin DTNorth Carolina +3
                    54. Torrey Smith WRMaryland -8
                    55. Ben Ijalana OTVillanova -15
                    56. Clint Boling OGGeorgia +5
                    57. Randall Cobb WRKentucky +10
                    58. Mikel Leshoure RBIllinois +1
                    59. Leonard Hankerson WRMiami (FL) +4
                    60. Martez Wilson ILBIllinois -10
                    61. Ryan Williams RBVirginia Tech +10
                    62. Jerrel Jernigan WRTroy -10
                    63. Curtis Brown CBTexas +3
                    64. Stefen Wisniewski CPenn St. -23
                    65. Mason Foster OLBWashington -7
                    66. Drake Nevis DT L.S.U. -27
                    67. Kendall Hunter RBOklahoma St. +1
                    68. Edmond Gates WRAbilene Christian +13
                    69. Jurrell Casey DTUSC -7
                    70. James Carpenter OGAlabama NR
                    71. Greg Romeus DEPittsburgh +25
                    72. Luke Stocker TETennessee +4
                    73. Quan Sturdivant ILBNorth Carolina -4
                    74. Ricky Stanzi QBIowa +14
                    75. Daniel Thomas RBKansas St. NR
                    76. Greg Little WRNorth Carolina +1
                    77. Jarvis Jenkins DTClemson +17
                    78. Brandon Burton CBUtah -18
                    79. James Brewer OTIndiana NR
                    80. DeMarco Murray RBOklahoma -6
                    81. Chimdi Chekwa CBOhio St. NR
                    82. Greg Jones ILBMichigan St. -17
                    83. Mark Herzlich OLBBoston College -10
                    84. Niles Paul WRNebraska +3
                    85. Chris Carter OLBFresno St. NR
                    86. Jordan Todman RBConnecticut -1
                    87. Shareece Wright CBUSC NR
                    88. Kenrick Ellis DTHampton +4
                    89. Tandon Doss WRIndiana NR
                    90. Shane Vereen RBCalifornia +5
                    91. Sam Acho DETexas NR
                    92. Dontay Moch OLBNevada -1
                    93. Greg Salas WRHawaii NR
                    94. Taiwan Jones RB E Washington -4
                    95. Marcus Gilbert OTFlorida NR
                    96. Kelvin Sheppard ILBL.S.U. -17
                    97. Will Rackley OGLehigh NR
                    98. Davon House CBNew Mexico St. -18
                    99. Colin Kaepernick QBNevada NR
                    100. Jeremy Beal DE Oklahoma -36

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