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  • Originally posted by FUNBUNCHER View Post
    THat's fine BB. But notice Nawrocki presented a rationale as to why he felt Clausen had a 'sense of entitlement, whether I agree or not.
    People can say whatever they want, but at least present the skeleton of an argument and not make wildly general declarations from on high.

    BTW I never said Nawrocki's write-up on Cam was racially motivated. That was Warren Moon.

    IMO Nawrocki was much kinder to Russell in discussing his negatives than he was with Newton, and their intangibles aren't even close.
    He said Russell was likely to be out of the NFL just as fast as making a Pro Bowl. He called him fat and lazy. He also said the team that drafts him could set their franchise back at least three years. That's kind? You only say that because he was right. Insanely right. That's about as harsh as it gets for a consensus #1 QB.

    QB-TE-ATH Cam Newton, #2 (Junior)
    Auburn PFW Grade: 5.85
    Ht: 6-5 | Wt: 248 | Sp: 4.58 | Arm: 33 3/4 | Hand: 9 7/8

    Notes: Also played basketball as a Georgia prep. Began his collegiate career at Florida, where he signed on to play for then-head coach Urban Meyer and the Gators. Appeared in five games as a true freshman in 2007, completing 5-of-10 pass attempts (50 percent) for 40 yards with zero touchdowns and zero interceptions. Also rushed 16 times for 103 yards (6.4-yard average) and three touchdowns. Was slowed by an ankle injury in '08 — appeared in one contest, but ultimately redshirted (also sustained a minor neck injury in an early November car accident). Was arrested in late November and charged with felony charges of burglary, larceny and intimidating a witness, informant or victim after stealing a laptop computer from a student's dorm room and throwing it out the window when police arrived at Newton's for questioning. Charges were dropped upon his completion of a pretrial diversion program. Reportedly transferred rather than face possible expulsion stemming from three incidents of academic cheating, including two as a sophomore when he put his name on someone else's paper and purchased a paper online, attempting to pass it off as his own work. Landed at Blinn College (Texas) and won the NJCAA national championship in '09 — totaled 204-336-2,833-22-5 (60.1) passing and 108-655-16 (6.1) rushing in 12 games. Had a historic season for the national champion Tigers in '10 — 14-game starter was honored with the Heisman Trophy and the Maxwell, Walter Camp and Davey O'Brien Awards after leading the SEC in rushing and total offense by totaling 185-280-2,854-30-7 (66.1) through the air and 264-1,473-20 (5.6) on the ground. Also caught two passes for 42 yards (21.0) and a touchdown. Hurt his back in the BCS championship game. Was declared ineligible for a day leading up to the SEC title game — Newton's father, Cecil, allegedly enlisted an agent "runner" to initiate a pay-for-play bidding war for Cam's commitment. It was reported that Cam's desire was to play for Mississippi State, but he allegedly succumbed to his father's decision (Auburn) based on a six-figure payment. Was ultimately reinstated after the NCAA did not find sufficient evidence to prove Cam or Auburn officials were complicit in Cecil's actions. Had a 25-1 career starting record (including junior college).


    Positives: Very well-built with big deltoids and a strapping physique. Excellent arm strength — can make difficult throws off-balance while on the move and air out the deep ball, hitting receivers in stride 50 yards downfield. Throws with velocity. Composed in pressure situations and found ways to come through in the clutch. Big, strong, physical runner. Pounds defenders and can push a pile — almost always falls forward. Smooth-striding, fluid-moving athlete. Highly competitive and productive against top Southeastern Conference competition — rose to the occasion against Alabama and Oregon on the biggest of stages. Very savvy — confident, charming and charismatic and can light up a room. Highly competitive and plays with passion.

    Negatives: Played in a simplified, run-first, dive-option read offense with very basic high-low reads. Worked exclusively out of the gun and was very quick to run at the first flash of coverage. Limited field vision — does not process the passing game. Inconsistent throwing mechanics with a flick delivery — generates all of his power from his upper-body strength and too often arms the ball. Streaky passer with spotty accuracy. Makes his receivers work hard and throws into coverage. Does not spin a tight spiral. Very disingenuous — has a fake smile, comes off as very scripted and has a selfish, me-first makeup. Always knows where the cameras are and plays to them. Has an enormous ego with a sense of entitlement that continually invites trouble and makes him believe he is above the law — does not command respect from teammates and always will struggle to win a locker room. Only a one-year producer. Lacks accountability, focus and trustworthiness — is not punctual, seeks shortcuts and sets a bad example. Immature and has had issues with authority. Not dependable.

    Summary: An extremely talented, dual-threat QB who carried Auburn to a national title, Newton has the arm and athletic talent desired in a rollout, play-action, bootleg vertical passing game and would fit ideally into an offense such as that of the Redskins or Raiders. However, he always will test the rules, be difficult to manage and lacks the intangibles to win the trust of a locker room. Will require a very strong-willed, demanding coach to live up to his potential and avoid the trappings of fame and fortune, but even the greatest taskmaster will not be able to keep away the drama that is still swirling from a stained Heisman Trophy and littered recruiting trail that Newton left in the SEC. Can provide an initial spark, but will quickly be dissected and contained by NFL defensive coordinators, struggle to sustain success and will not prove worthy of an early investment. An overhyped, high-risk, high-reward selection with a glaring bust factor, Newton is sure to be drafted more highly than he should and could foreclose a risk-taking GM's job and taint a locker room.
    That's the whole scouting report, not just a snippet. I think he does more than enough to present a "skeleton of an argument." If you look at Newton's history, outlined in the notes section, and have watched him during interviews then you can understand where Nawrocki is coming from. Will he gain the trust of a locker room? I don't know and I can't refute that. Nawrocki is the one on that limb, however fragile or sturdy it may be. Was Newton liked at Auburn by a bunch of a kids? Yeah. Is it different being a "leader of men" (as they like to say on NFLN) at the NFL level? Yeah, it is.

    Vince Young was one of the best leaders I've ever seen at the college level and elevated his game to unparalleled standards. Supreme confidence entering the NFL. A couple years into a mediocre career and he's about to eat a gun. Where did that come from? Being a leader in the NFL is different than being a leader in college. It just is. Nawrocki highlights aspects of Newton's intangibles in the positive section that lead you to believe that he can "light up a room" and be a leader. Nawrocki is leaning towards him becoming more infatuated with fame then being a student of the game, which is a criticism that is completely valid and a legitimate concern that NFL teams do have. A big reason why it's a concern? Cam's big mouth. He said it himself, he is thinking, before he's done a ******* thing in the NFL, that he's going to be more than just a football player, but be an icon and sell Cam Newton lifestyle apparel and a whole bunch of other crap. Cam brought criticisms like this upon himself.
    Last edited by BigBanger; 04-02-2011, 02:58 PM.
    Originally posted by Scott Wright
    I honestly believe Reggie Bush has turned into exactly the type of player I envisioned.
    Originally posted by PossibleCabbage
    I would like it if there were more successful black Quarterbacks in the NFL...
    Originally posted by bearsfan_51
    iamcandian lives in a cabin in the Yukon Territory and writes letters to railroad barons about the price of hard tack.
    Originally posted by GatorsBullsFan
    I could possibly see Matthew Stafford Dropping out of the 1st round
    Originally posted by GoRavens
    Tahj Boyd has the best fundamentals of any QB in this class, I think his game translates great to the NFL.

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    • How can anyone say that Newton didn't get into trouble while at Auburn when he was ******* declared ineligible to play in December? I get that people think Newton will be a good pro and they want to defend him, but why do they always act like he has never done anything wrong? Newton supporters generally just brush off every single thing he has been accused of off the field.

      Even if you remove all the off the field stuff and character concerns, there are still many questions about what he does on the field and how it translates to NFL success.

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      • http://www.ksdk.com/news/local/story...196114&catid=3

        WOW it seems Saint Gabbert has some character issues as well. I don't remember Cam Newton drinking underage and getting into bar fights.

        Character issues are way overblown on Newton.

        The truth is if this was Newton right now people would be saying he should be drafted in the second round. Hypocrisy at its finest.
        Last edited by papageorgio; 04-02-2011, 06:47 PM.

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        • Originally posted by papageorgio View Post
          http://www.ksdk.com/news/local/story...196114&catid=3

          WOW it seems Saint Gabbert has some character issues as well. I don't remember Cam Newton drinking underage and getting into bar fights.

          Character issues are way overblown on Newton.

          The truth is if this was Newton right now people would be saying he should be drafted in the second round. Hypocrisy at its finest.
          Have you read any of the posts in here or did you just find that article and rushed to the nearest Cam Newton conversation? Read the thread and keep up chief.
          Last edited by FuzzyGopher; 04-02-2011, 07:14 PM.

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          • Originally posted by FuzzyGopher View Post
            Have you read any of the posts in here or did you just find that article and rushed to the nearest Came Newton conversation? Read the thread and keep up chief.
            No it just shows the hypocrisy that some people show especially the guy who wrote the article.

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            • Totally! You're right as evidenced by his Clausen scouting report. I'm sure he will have a glowing report on Ryan Mallett as well.

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              • Originally posted by FuzzyGopher View Post
                How can anyone say that Newton didn't get into trouble while at Auburn when he was ******* declared ineligible to play in December? I get that people think Newton will be a good pro and they want to defend him, but why do they always act like he has never done anything wrong? Newton supporters generally just brush off every single thing he has been accused of off the field.

                Even if you remove all the off the field stuff and character concerns, there are still many questions about what he does on the field and how it translates to NFL success.
                He was declared ineligible for ONE DAY by Auburn pending the conclusion of a cursory NCAA investigation and didn't miss a game.

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                • Originally posted by FUNBUNCHER View Post
                  There's a difference between critiquing a player and slander.

                  What Nawrocki said about Newton would be like someone saying not only is Illini LB Martez Wilson slow to diagnose plays, he's also a coward who lacks courage to overcome adversity and will be first to surrender when things get tough.

                  IMO that's the equivalent of Nawrocki's negative opinion on Newton; he went from making an analysis based on empirical observation to instead ruminating on his own personal theories and psychological diagnoses of Cam Newton.

                  That's not scouting. That's throwing piles of dog poop at a prospect and hoping you land a headshot.

                  Also, Nawrocki came at Newton harder than Carroll ever did at Sanchez. Carroll praised Mark before explaining why he should stay another year, which basically came down to Carroll articulating that Mark would increase his preparedness for the NFL with more college starts.

                  He didn't attack Sanchez' character.

                  Blacks have a unique position of being a minority population in the U.S. but representing the overwhelming majority of NFL and FBS football players.

                  I agree I don't like to hear an announcer say x-player is the 'first' AA to do etc., because said accomplishment no longer represents overcoming institutional racism and really is just a career milestone for a coach or player.

                  The league doesn't bench all the Black QBs once the playoffs start, or suspend every AA HC.

                  Complaining, or becoming vocal about a perceived grievance is how things change in this country. It's what mobilizes political movements and gets laws passed.
                  No one respects you for bending over, grabbing your ankles and biting a hole in your pillow while you dutifully get plowed.

                  However, we the public decide whether you grievance is justified.
                  Most people on this board think Moon was wrong in his racial criticism of Nawrocki because it isn't relevant since no one knows what's going on inside his head.
                  If the analysis is overboard, than it is. Doesn't really matter why.

                  And honestly, only because it would be cool to see it because you really don't that much beyond HS, but how many White RBs and corners are there starting for BCS schools to say they're really being discriminated against by the NFL??

                  Those dudes are being screwed by college recruiters early on in the process.

                  And don't expect to ever hear some analyst give props to Hillis for breaking a thousand yards because he's White.

                  Wait until Tobey Gerhart gets traded in about 5 years to a ground pound team, his jersey sales will be epic!!
                  You did hear the two guys on NFL.com who spent some time in NFL war rooms respond to the criticisms as the types of things you would read in a scouting report, right? Will we see scouts being sued if their reports are leaked and a prospect's stock is hurt? Like I said, if you want candy-coated stick with the popular guys that play it safe and grow their audiences by not offending the audience.

                  As for the racial charges Moon brought up, that's just the lazy person's way of deflecting without dealing with an issue. For years most people have been scared shitless to press an issue once the race card comes out. It looks like that has been so overplayed that it is losing effectiveness and people are rightfully starting to dismiss people that can't actually back it up with anything of substance.

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                  • Racism exists, but calling something or someone 'racist' doesn't necessarily make it so.

                    I really only had an issue with one part of Nawrocki's write-up on Cam, BTW, the character stuff. The rest IMO was fair, even if I didn't agree.

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                    • Originally posted by FUNBUNCHER View Post
                      He was declared ineligible for ONE DAY by Auburn pending the conclusion of a cursory NCAA investigation and didn't miss a game.
                      You're right, It's annoying when innocent guys get randomly suspended for no reason.

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                      • Originally posted by FuzzyGopher View Post
                        You're right, It's annoying when innocent guys get randomly suspended for no reason.
                        It wasn't for "no reason". Auburn's compliance department was all over the Newton thing for months. Declaring Newton "ineligible" was a strategic move that after months of compliance forced the NCAA into ruling him eligible....a brilliant move, and the reason why no one from Auburn broke a sweat during that time when people were going ape-****. What, you think that after they ignored everything and continued to play him they all of a sudden changed their mind and randomly chose to rule him ineligible?

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                        • Are you illiterate?

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                          • naworicki is whom? who gives a flock what anyone says about a prospect unless he is a decision maker for one of the 32 teams. I think the same of newton but I dont work for some website like this clown.
                            my scent?...like making love to a lumberjack
                            <TACKLE> i will ngata give you a bj raji
                            <+BOE> Scott, with Burfict's character concerns (whether legit or not) you think Pioli would draft him. :D
                            <+ScottWright> Why not. Baldwin does need a sparring partner...
                            Originally posted by Hermstheman83
                            What's with the hate on Ricky Stanzi? Those youtube clips of him with the hulk hogan theme music instantly make him better than Luck.

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                            • Originally posted by FuzzyGopher View Post
                              Are you illiterate?
                              Where did that come from?

                              Has Nawrocki done a report on any of the other top QBs in the draft??

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                              • Originally posted by FuzzyGopher View Post
                                Are you illiterate?
                                Are you? They didn't freaking rule him ineligible because they thought he did anything wrong; they ruled him ineligible because it was a deal that was already made behind the scenes with the NCAA, a deal that was extremely beneficial for Auburn. Why do you think the NCAA overturned his eligibility so quickly? It was pre-planned.

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