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  • #76
    Originally posted by TitanHope View Post
    The college university and collegiate athlete relationship is mutually beneficial. Not only does the player get a free education, but the collegiate system provides the avenue for the NFL. Colleges provide the coaches, facilities, and exposure from playing that allows these athletes to prepare themselves and go on to the NFL. In essence, playing for these colleges acts as an interview for the NFL (as cliche as that's become for the pre-draft process), and it's because Newton played in college that he's about to cash in with a multi-million dollar pro contract.

    Also, Auburn didn't make millions and millions off of him. They made it off the team and the fanbase, so Auburn is gonna pull in that money regardless if Newton is there or not, which is probably far less than the "millions and millions" number you pulled - most college athletic programs don't even turn a profit, and a lot of the football money goes back into the school to support it and the resources that these players utilize.
    your kidding yourself if you think these guys are going to college to become "student athletes" the pay scandal is meaningless and frankly if I had a child who was a 5 star recruit I would want compensation as well.

    I cant believe people are questioning his character over issues with buying the stolen laptop and cheating on a couple of tests. There making it out to be as if Newton is just a dumb illiterate jock.

    Sanchez had way worse character issues in the fact that he sexually assaulted a woman in college and I don't remember anyone making him an example of terrible character.

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    • #77
      The way I see it (not personal opinion), athletes are A-OK to get their daddy on illegally with women.

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      • #78
        does not command respect from teammates and will always struggle to win a locker room . . . Lacks accountability, focus and trustworthiness
        How anyone can honestly say this while keeping a straight face is mind boggling. This blatantly goes against absolutely everything that was shown this year at Auburn. Thats like saying "Usain Bolt is slow" right after he smashed the 100 M record.

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        • #79
          Originally posted by metafour View Post
          How anyone can honestly say this while keeping a straight face is mind boggling. This blatantly goes against absolutely everything that was shown this year at Auburn. Thats like saying "Usain Bolt is slow" right after he smashed the 100 M record.
          Not gonna lie but his teammates did seem to love him.

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          • #80
            Maybe it's the side of me that doesnt trust politicians but i think all this is so much of a diversion. The biggest issue i have with Newton isnt his smile it's the very short resume, the read option offense he comes from and his accuracy. To insinuate by some that the only thing keeping him out of Canton is off the field stuff i find rather intereseting to say the least.

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            • #81
              Originally posted by stephenson86 View Post
              Not gonna lie but his teammates did seem to love him.
              A team of 18-22 year old kids doesn't go through a month+ long witch-hunt and still keep flawless composure through tight game after tight game if they dont truly feel confident in the star player that is being targeted. Newton's season ended after he was RAISED by teammates after the title game, a game in which he really didn't even play all too well.

              Undefeated season through constant distraction and full of come from behind victories, and you're going to try to tell me that teammates dont respect and/or like him, or that he doesn't have control of a locker room? Bullshiet.

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              • #82
                Originally posted by metafour View Post
                How anyone can honestly say this while keeping a straight face is mind boggling. This blatantly goes against absolutely everything that was shown this year at Auburn. Thats like saying "Usain Bolt is slow" right after he smashed the 100 M record.
                "Winning an NFL Locker room" and "Winning a college locker room" are entirely different phenomena. The BMOC wins the locker room in college pretty much by default. In the NFL, any quarterback is going to come into a locker room full of people who are significantly more accomplished, richer, and older than you. Winning their respect is challenging.

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                • #83
                  Be sure to tune in to the podcast tonight.

                  Special guest co-host Chris Steuber and I will be talking about Cam Newton at length.

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                  • #84
                    Originally posted by PossibleCabbage View Post
                    "Winning an NFL Locker room" and "Winning a college locker room" are entirely different phenomena. The BMOC wins the locker room in college pretty much by default. In the NFL, any quarterback is going to come into a locker room full of people who are significantly more accomplished, richer, and older than you. Winning their respect is challenging.
                    I disagree completely.

                    The NFL is a job. Those guys view it as a job and dont give two ***** whether or not Newton cheated on a test or did or didn't get paid...hence why a freaking rapist like Roethlisberger can go sexually assault someone and then lead the Steelers the very next week to a championship. NFL players want teammates who work hard and want to win...at what point has Newton shown anything other than those traits? He's never sulked, never "given up", and has proven that he will play through all sorts of adversity.

                    In college you are dealing with KIDS who aren't (or shouldn't be) getting paid; there is much less reason for them to respect someone that they dont "like". There is even more reason for them to feel jealous about someone like Newton who was the face of that team. There is even more reason for them to feel pissed off if they honestly thought he received hundreds of thousands of dollars while they aren't getting paid ****.

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                    • #85
                      Originally posted by metafour View Post
                      A team of 18-22 year old kids doesn't go through a month+ long witch-hunt and still keep flawless composure through tight game after tight game if they dont truly feel confident in the star player that is being targeted. Newton's season ended after he was RAISED by teammates after the title game, a game in which he really didn't even play all too well.

                      Undefeated season through constant distraction and full of come from behind victories, and you're going to try to tell me that teammates dont respect and/or like him, or that he doesn't have control of a locker room? Bullshiet.
                      Sorry what...I was defending the fact his teammates seemed to like him...

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                      • #86
                        Originally posted by papageorgio View Post
                        your kidding yourself if you think these guys are going to college to become "student athletes"
                        Whether these players go to college with the intention of being a student athlete is completely irrelevant. A free college education has immense value when you factor in not only it's monetary value but it's value if you factor in the longterm effects of a good secondary education. If they decide not to take advantage, that's their choice. It's still being awarded to them.

                        But even that isn't the big reward for going through the college system. The reward is the NFL. If you're the quality of athlete that schools should pay for your services, then undoubtedly the NFL is your goal. Try getting drafted early without playing through college. It's not going to happen. Consider it a massive internship for a massive reward.

                        This is absolutely a mutually beneficial situation. Why should Newton be provided more than free tuition, board, food, likely a cushy job, coaching, and use of facilities for playing in college when playing in college is what allowed him to put himself in the position to sign a milti-million dollar pro contract?

                        As far as farces go, the argument that paying players should be ok since players have a right to be rewarded isn't why athletes are paid in the first place. These aren't compensation - they're bribes. I want you to go to my school instead of that one, so I'll give you this not for your future work here putting your body, time, and energy into playing for our team, but solely so you'll choose our team. The question isn't "Should athletes be paid for playing?" The question is "Should athletes be bribed when choosing schools?"
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                        • #87
                          Originally posted by PossibleCabbage View Post
                          "Winning an NFL Locker room" and "Winning a college locker room" are entirely different phenomena. The BMOC wins the locker room in college pretty much by default. In the NFL, any quarterback is going to come into a locker room full of people who are significantly more accomplished, richer, and older than you. Winning their respect is challenging.
                          There were anonymous teammates that said Jimmy Clausen was bad team and a Diva back in ND. I have not read anything like that about Cam Newton.

                          Originally posted by nepg View Post
                          About half the people here were saying the same thing about Russell... I need a much better example than that.
                          I know right


                          Originally posted by Scott Wright View Post
                          Cam Newton got caught cheating three times in college and I've got some swampland for sale to anyone who believes he had no idea Cecil was soliciting a couple hundred grand in his name.
                          Tons of football players/students have cheated on test some have been caught and others have not. He is not the 1st or the last one to cheat on the test. The only reason we don't find out about most is because academic records are private.
                          Last edited by Complex; 03-29-2011, 08:30 PM.

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                          • #88
                            Originally posted by bitonti View Post
                            I guess these things don't matter to me... college players should be getting paid. It's kind of a farce that the University of Auburn expects Newton to play for his education, meanwhile they make millions and millions off the dude.

                            but taking money... or pretending not to know about it... this isn't like a felony. these are misdemeanors. it's not like that dude from TCU who had sex with his sister or whatever sick crap he was arrested for.

                            if we want to critique his football skills fair enough but the "fake smile" stuff is just haterade. ya know who else has a fake smile and loves to be the center of attention, Shaquille Oneal. Who cares as long as he can ball.
                            This. There are some guys who come off as absolutely disingenuous and self centered and it's just their personality. Warren Sapp is another. Kobe was also like that. Sometimes they are but does that mean they can't be successful?-course not. But if he busts everyone will point to this and say, warning sign. It's been said before and it's kind of a ******** critique, it all depends on how hard he works, not whether you think his personality is fake. IMO he comes across as country, trying to be sophisticated, after his monster year thrust him into the limelight, nothing more.

                            These comments...Lacks accountability, focus and trustworthiness — is not punctual, seeks shortcuts and sets a bad example. Immature and has had issues with authority. Not dependable...are much more relevant than ego and entitlement. This critique is as the heart of whether he'll put in the work and be ready when it's his turn.
                            Last edited by Brown Leader; 03-29-2011, 08:29 PM.

                            Originally posted by borg9
                            Are you not entertained? Is this not why you are here?

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                            • #89
                              Originally posted by WMD View Post
                              You do realize that we only have like 10 players left that were drafted by Matt Millen from the years 2001-2008? And not a single player from 2002-2006? And very few of those players are even still in the league?

                              On another note, does anyone know when PFW's Draft Preview comes out?
                              It's out for purchase now, but if you order online or by phone it will not get shipped until early next week is what they told me. I ordered mine yesterday by phone the total was $23.50. I pray it is worth it because that is the most I ever spent on a guide.

                              Originally Posted by JoeJoeBrown
                              The most important thing, however, is how strong their swagger factors are.
                              Newton
                              South of the Mason Dixon +10 swagger
                              Barely literate +5 swagger
                              Thief +15 swagger
                              Kicked off of a team of thugs +20 swagger
                              Big, average speed -3 swagger
                              Hasn't done jacksquat on the field +15 swagger
                              Total Swagger: 62
                              ATL College Park Zone 3* +20 swagger Bonus pts

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                              • #90
                                Originally posted by metafour View Post
                                Reggie Bush will be a better Marshall Faulk....wait; I knew all along that he was going to be a role player at best!

                                Cant be serious.
                                I remember when I was preaching this with a passion. So funny as I look back on it now...how wrong I was.

                                Same way I've been passionately supporting Newton over Locker. One thing that makes me think Locker could end up being the better QB in 5 years is if he goes to a team that has a good supporting cast that will let him sit and develop...and Newton goes to a bum team that rushes him.

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