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  • Big Board and Rankings - Poz51 (Pre-Com. Top 100 +)

    This is my current, pre-combine big board, included is a numerical ranking system I have been working on and refining, as well as a grade/draft position chart for how the grades translate into where in the draft I fell they could/should go. Grade is based on position, not positional value
    For example for quarterbacks I use accuracy (ball placement, timing, etc.), intangibles (leadership, anticipation, football IQ, etc.), mobility (not just elusiveness out of the pocket, pocket awareness, ability to slide/maneuver in the pocket, etc.), arm strength (can they make the throws in time, can they gun it into a tight window if needed) and size (not only height, but weight, ability to withstand an NFL pounding). So, for example, although Andrew Luck does not have John Elways arm, he can make all the throws, so even though he is not get 100% in that category, he is close enough that he gets bonus points in the intangibles category to make his rating a 100 overall. Griffin on the other hand I have lacking just a little bit in size and similarly to my feelings on Colt McCoy pre-draft, I question his ability to with stand an NFL pounding so he loses points there.
    I have only given out three 100 grades, N. Suh, J. Peppers and now A. Luck, its a grade I only give to players I would bet serious considerations that they make the Hall of Fame.
    Included are draft stock thoughts, and serious considerations not related to the attributes (strengths and weakness) on the football field. I have only made it through so many prospects at this point, but here is my top 100 + prospects for the 2012 draft. Have at it, this is my first attempt at this system, I am sure I missed plenty... All feedback is accepted, and as usual, I will respond when I can.

    Key:
    (+) draft stock ascending.
    (-) draft stock descending.
    (=) draft stock neutral.
    (Off) Off the field issues that need to be addressed.
    (On) On the field issues that need to be addressed.
    (M) Medical issues that need to be addressed.
    (Heart?) Issues relating to the desire to be a football player and work ethic.
    (Age) Age is a factor when considering the prospect and his future potential.
    (S) Size is a factor when considering this prospect.

    Grading Scale:
    Hall of Fame: 100
    Top 5: 95-100
    Top 10: 91-94
    Top 20: 88-90
    1st Round: 85-87
    2nd Round: 80-84
    3rd Round: 75-79
    4th Round: 70-74
    5th Round: 65-69
    6th Round: 60-64
    7th Round: 55-59

    Top 5
    1 – Andrew Luck (QB – Stanford)
    Grade: 100 (+)
    2 – Trent Richardson (RB – Alabama)
    Grade: 97 (=)
    3 – Robert Griffin (QB – Baylor)
    Grade: 96 (+)
    4 - David DeCastro (G – Stanford)
    Grade: 96 (+)
    5 – Matt Kalil ( LT – U.S.C.)
    Grade: 95 (=)
    6 – Justin Blackmon (WR – Ok. St.)
    Grade: 95 (=)
    7 – Morris Claiborne (CB – LSU)
    Grade: 95 (=)

    Top 10
    8 – Luke Kuechly (ILB – Boston College)
    Grade: 93 (=)
    9 – Riley Reiff (LT – Iowa)
    Grade: 91 (=)

    Top 20
    10 – Kendall Wright (WR – Baylor)
    Grade: 90 (+)
    11 – Dre Kirkpatrick (CB – Alabama)
    Grade: 90 (=)(Off)
    12 – Courtney Upshaw (OLB/DE – Alabama)
    Grade: 89 (=)
    13 – Melvin Ingram (DE – S. Carolina)
    Grade: Grade: 89 (=)
    14 – Mike Adams (LT – O.S.U.)
    Grade: 88 (+)(Off)
    15 – Jonathan Martin (LT – Stanford)
    Grade: 88 (=)
    16 – Quinton Coples (DE/DT – U.N.C.)
    Grade: 88 (=)(Off)(Heart?)
    17 – Cordy Glenn (G/T – Georgia)
    Grade: 88 (+)
    18 – Nick Perry (DE/OLB – U.S.C.)
    Grade: 88 (+)
    19 – Zach Brown (OLB – U.N.C.)
    Grade: 88 (+)
    20 – Devon Still (DT – Penn. St.)
    Grade: 88 (=)

    1st Round
    21 – Michael Floyd (WR – Notre Dame)
    Grade: 87 (=)(Off)
    22 – Dontari Poe (NT/DT – Memphis)
    Grade: 87 (+)
    23 – Peter Konz (C – Wisconsin)
    Grade: 87 (=)
    24 – Kevin Zeitler (G – Wisconsin)
    Grade: 87 (=)
    25 – Fletcher Cox (DT/DE – Miss. St.)
    Grade: 86 (+)
    26 – Ryan Tannehill (QB – Texas A&M)
    Grade: 86 (=)
    27 – Michael Brockers (DT – L.S.U.)
    Grade: 86 (+)
    28 – Mark Barron (SS – Alabama)
    Grade: 86 (=)
    29 – Coby Fleener (TE – Stanford)
    Grade: 85 (+)
    30 – Janoris Jenkins (CB – N. Alabama)
    Grade: 85 (=)(Off)
    31 – Jared Crick (DE/DT – Nebraska)
    Grade: 85 (=)
    32 – Whitney Mercilus (DE/OLB – Illinois)
    Grade: 85 (=)
    33 – Vontaze Burfict (ILB – Arizona St.)
    Grade: 85 (-)(On)
    34 – Jerel Worthy (DT – Michigan St.)
    Grade: 85 (=)

    2nd Round
    35 – Alshon Jeffery (WR – S. Carolina)
    Grade: 84 (-)(Heart?)
    36 – Vinny Curry (DE – Marshall)
    Grade: 84 (=)
    37 – Mohamed Sanu (WR – Rutgers)
    Grade: 84 (+)
    38 – Kelechi Osemele (G – Iowa St.)
    Grade: 84 (+)
    39 – Leonard Johnson (CB – Iowa St.)
    Grade: 84 (+)
    40 – Doug Martin (RB – Boise St.)
    Grade: 84 (+)
    41 – Lamar Miller (RB – Miami)
    Grade: 83 (=)(M)
    42 – Bobby Wagner (OLB – Utah St.)
    Grade: 83 (+)
    43 – Brandon Washington (G – Miami)
    Grade: 83 (+)
    44 – Dwayne Allen (TE – Clemson)
    Grade: 83 (=)
    45 – Chandler Jones (DE/OLB – Syracuse)
    Grade: 83 (+)
    46 – Amini Silatolu (G – Midwestern St.)
    Grade: 83 (+)
    47 – Markelle Martin (FS – Ok. St.)
    Grade: 83 (=)
    48 – Donta Hightower (ILB – Alabama)
    Grade: 83 (=)
    49 – Chase Minnifeld (CB – U. Virginia)
    Grade: 83 (=)(M)
    50 – Cam Johnson (DE – Virginia)
    Grade: 82 (+)
    51 – Brock Osweiler (QB – Arizona St.)
    Grade: 82 (+)
    53 – Alfonzo Dennard (CB – Nebraska)
    Grade: 82 (-)
    54 – Brandon Thompson (DT – Clemson)
    Grade: 81 (=)
    55 – Brandon Weeden (QB – Ok. St.)
    Grade: 81 (=)(Age)
    56 – George Iloka (FS – Boise St.)
    Grade: 81 (+)
    57 – Stephon Gilmore (CB – S. Carolina)
    Grade: 81 (=)
    58 – Bruce Irvin (OLB/DE – W. Virginia)
    Grade: 80 (+)
    59 – Alameda Ta’amu (NT/DT – Washington)
    Grade: 80 (+)
    60 – Joe Adams (WR – Arkansas)
    Grade: 80 (+)
    61 – Andre Branch (DE/OLB – Clemson)
    Grade: 80 (=)
    62 – Rueben Randall (WR – L.S.U.)
    Grade: 80 (+)
    63 – Bobby Massie (RT – Ole. Miss.)
    Grade: 80 (+)
    64 – Billy Winn (DE/DT – Boise St.)
    Grade: 80 (=)
    65 – Ben Jones (C – Georgia)
    Grade: 80 (=)

    3rd Round
    66 – Lavonte David (OLB – Nebraska)
    Grade: 79 (=)(S)
    67 – Juron Criner (WR – Arizona)
    Grade: 79
    68 – Shea McClellin (OLB/DE – Boise St.)
    Grade: 79 (+)
    69 – Isaiah Pead (RB – Cincinnati)
    Grade: 79 (+)
    70 – Mitchell Schwartz (T – Cal.)
    Grade 79 (+)
    71 – Sean Spence (OLB – Miami)
    Grade: 79 (+)(S)
    72 – Jayron Hosley (CB – Va. Tech.)
    Grade: 79 (=)(S)
    73 – David Wilson (RB – Va. Tech.)
    Grade: 79 (-)
    74 - Ryan Steed (CB – Furman)
    Grade: 78 (+)
    75 – Stephen Hill (WR – Ga. Tech.)
    Grade: 78 (+)
    76 – Shaun Prater (CB – Iowa)
    Grade: 78 (=)
    77 – Dwight Bentley (CB – La. Laf.)
    Grade: 78 (+)(S)
    78 – Orson Charles (TE – Georgia)
    Grade: 78 (=)
    79 – Ladarius Green (TE – La. Lafayette)
    Grade: 78 (+)
    80 – Brandon Boykin (CB – Georgia)
    Grade: 78 (+)(S)
    81 – Levy Adcock (T – Ok. St.)
    Grade: 78 (=)
    82 – Tommy Streeter (WR – Miami)
    Grade: 78 (=)
    83 – LaMichael James (RB Oregon
    Grade: 78 (=)(S)
    84 – Trumaine Johnson (CB – Montana)
    Grade: 78 (=)
    85 – Zerbie Sanders (LT – F.S.U.)
    Grade: 78 (-)
    86 – Austin Cole (ILB – N.C. St.)
    Grade: 77 (-)
    87 – Nate Potter (T – Boise St.)
    Grade: 77 (=)
    88 – Trevor Guyton (DE/DT – Cal.)
    Grade: 76 (=)
    89 – Chris Polk (RB – Washington)
    Grade: 76 (-)(M)
    90 – Nick Toon (WR – Wisconsin)
    Grade: 75 (-)
    91 – Jake Bequette (DE – Arkansas)
    Grade: 75 (=)
    92 – Brian Quick (WR – App. St.)
    Grade: 75 (=)
    93 – Dwight Jones (WR – U.N.C.)
    Grade: 75 (=)
    94 – Antonio Allen (SS – S. Carolina)
    Grade: 75 (+)
    95 – Chris Givens (WR – W.F.)
    Grade: 75 (=)(M)
    96 – Senio Kelemete (G – Washington)
    Grade: 75 (=)
    97 – Michael Brewster (C – Ohio St.)
    Grade: 75 (-)
    98 – Chad Diehl (FB – Clemson)
    Grade: 75 (=)

    4th Round
    99 – Nick Foles (QB – Arizona)
    Grade: 75 (-)
    100 – Bernard Pierce (RB – Temple)
    Grade: 74 (+)

    Just Missed Out
    101 – Keenan Robinson (OLB – Texas)
    Grade: 74 (=)
    102 – Phillip Blake (C – Baylor)
    Grade: 74 (=)
    103 – Cody Johnson (FB – Texas)
    Grade: 74 (=)
    104 – Cyrus Gray (RB – Texas A & M)
    Grade: 74 (-)
    105 – Josh Chapman (DT/NT – Alabama)
    Grade: 74 (-)(M)
    106 – James-Michael Johnson (ILB – Nevada)
    Grade: 74 (-)
    107 – Aaron Henry (FS – Wisconsin)
    Grade: 74 (=)
    Last edited by Poz51; 02-21-2012, 10:20 AM.
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  • #2
    Overall an amazing job.

    I would have Martin a bit lower and I think he is WAY to close to Mike Adams.

    I know your still tweaking this system but I think it a bit odd that all of Adams Martin and Glenn have 88's.

    While they maybe relatively close in your mind (all top 20's) I don't see Martin or Glenn on the same level as Adams (whom I have ranked closer to Reiff) as prospects, even if they end up falling into that same tier (top 20)

    In short, I feel that there should be some sort of (even if mild) separation of these players in your rankings if, after all, the point of the 1-100 system is to give a more accurate rating than just putting them in rank order.

    Same might go for a couple other prospects, that just seemed to jump out the most to me.
    Last edited by Sloopy; 02-16-2012, 01:54 PM.

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    • #3
      Sounds like you do this every year. Is it for fun or something more?

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      • #4
        harrison smith surely is top100?


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        • #5
          Originally posted by Sloopy View Post
          Overall an amazing job.

          I would have Martin a bit lower and I think he is WAY to close to Mike Adams.

          I know your still tweaking this system but I think it a bit odd that all of Adams Martin and Glenn have 88's.

          While they maybe relatively close in your mind (all top 20's) I don't see Martin or Glenn on the same level as Adams (whom I have ranked closer to Reiff) as prospects, even if they end up falling into that same tier (top 20)

          In short, I feel that there should be some sort of (even if mild) separation of these players in your rankings if, after all, the point of the 1-100 system is to give a more accurate rating than just putting them in rank order.

          Same might go for a couple other prospects, that just seemed to jump out the most to me.
          Thank you, I appreciate it!
          As for Adams and Martin, I was really high on Martin for a while, but watching him vs. USC recently has me down on him, and I had him decending from my pre-senior bowl rankings. I think he has the athleticism (does he always show it?) to match up with NFL DE's, but I need to see more in the run game, and strength. Where as Adams I have ascending, but still have questions about him in the run game where I think he plays high at times and reaches/lunges with his hands, a couple off the field issues also lower his grade. I will adjust my grades again after the combine, and looking into my chrystal ball, I see Adams moving closer to Reiff, and Martin probably slipping down a little further, in regards to both, I do think they both have issues.
          In regards to Adams, Martin and Glenn being 88's, keep in mind I rank based on position. Anticipating Adams continuing to ascend and Martin decending, unless Glenn blows up, or has a let down at the combine, I anticipate his grade staying close to what I have it. I also give Glenn a boost in my intagible department because I see him as a standout guard who can play RT or even LT in a pinch in the NFL, which raises his grade. Based on my grade Glenn is as good a guard at this point as Adams (is a small risk because of off the field issues, and his grade goes down) and Martin are tackles.
          "if, after all, the point of the 1-100 system is to give a more accurate rating than just putting them in rank order." Maybe its the lack of sleep, but I am not sure what you mean by this...
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