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    Janoris Jenkins Was Still Smoking at North Alabama

    Update:
    Janoris Jenkins disputes an NFL.com report that he was still smoking marijuana at North Alabama last season.
    "I wasn't smoking marijuana at North Alabama," he said. "... I want to know why all of a sudden this is out there. Why didn't it come out after the Combine when I was straightforward with the scouts? The timing is very interesting to me." Jenkins' defensive coordinator backs up his story, insisting the cornerback did nothing to violate his zero-tolerance policy. While there's little doubt that Jenkins' stock has taken a hit due to character concerns, the latest report about his drug usage could well be a smokescreen.
    - rotoworld



    NFL executives and scouts were watching closely as Jenkins, one of the nation's best cover corners, migrated to Div. II North Alabama last year. His play was consistent with how he performed in three years as a Gator. But so were his off-field actions, which have included three arrests, positive drug tests, and four children with three women.

    "It's not just his personal situation with the kids and different moms. This is a multiple offender of the drug policy in college, and it's not like there were no character concerns at North Alabama," said one AFC personnel executive. "He had multiple opportunities to get away from it. He didn't at Florida, and he went to North Alabama and he wasn't clean there.

    "You just wish the situation at North Alabama was clean, that he had a rebirth, from a personal and football character standpoint. But it was more of the same."

    Presented with the claims laid out by numerous NFL executives and scouts in this story, Jenkins' agent Malik Shareef provided a statement.

    "Our talks with league GMs and scouts have been overwhelmingly positive," the agent said. "Most of these scouts believe that Janoris is the top cover corner in the draft and have been impressed with the way he has handled himself through the pre-draft process, from the Senior Bowl to the combine to team visits. He's been open and honest about his mistakes and has learned from them. He has demonstrated that he's fully dedicated to fulfilling his dreams of being a professional football player.

    Wouldn't touch him in the first round'

    Executives agreed that he is talented and has been honest about his issues, though it continues to trouble them that the drug use, by Jenkins' own admission, wasn't curtailed after he was thrown off Florida's team by coach Will Muschamp

    "He's running with the wrong people," an NFC personnel executive said. "They gave him every chance in the world at Florida, and it didn't work. … And he gets to North Alabama, and he's still smoking because he's got this big-fish, little-pond thing going. I don't see him going in the first round, and a lot of teams have him off their board completely."

    "Football-wise, people like [Jenkins]. He loves football, he competes and he's tough," said a second NFC executive. "But he's an immature kid. You see a lot of problems. ... With Dez, the biggest issue was that whether he was smart enough to figure out what he didn't know. That's when the NFL becomes too big for a kid, where maybe he's not a bad kid, but he's just not equipped to handle the rigors of being a pro athlete."

    An AFC college scout made it simpler regarding Jenkins: "He's not a bad person. He just makes a lot of dumb, dumb mistakes. He just smokes and (has sex), and that's essentially what it is. … And there's just awful decision-making associated with that. I don't think he's a bad person. But he has a lot of soul-searching to do. I wouldn't touch him in the first round."

    The testing isn't the issue in the minds of NFL decision-makers. After all, Jenkins has been open with them about his actions at North Alabama. They're aware that, even if he did pass the tests, his behavior didn't change.

    "The problem is, at least my impression was, he doesn't see the error in his ways," said another AFC personnel director. "He came off like he doesn't see an issue with any of it. He doesn't think it's a big deal. And he thinks he's got it under control. … But Janoris' problems go far beyond the drug use. He's got four babies by three mamas, and he's not even in the league yet. That invites tons of problems and will make him a target when he gets into the league, too."

    'He may be the best'

    So where does this leave Jenkins? From a physical standpoint, he's tantalizing. And the fact that he possesses a premium skill, elite man-to-man coverage ability, likely will prevent the kind of free fall Hernandez experienced in 2010, a tumble that ended in the middle of the fourth round.

    All of the executives, personnel men and scouts reached for this story said, from a strictly on-field standpoint, LSU's Morris Claiborne is the only player at the position they'd rank in front of Jenkins, whose size (5-foot-10, 193 pounds) seems to be his lone physical drawback.

    "Physically, he may be the best," said another AFC college scout. "It's either him or Claiborne. But if someone takes him in the first round, I'm telling you right now, I'm gonna think it's a dumb move. … I wouldn't touch him in the first round under any circumstance."

    Speculation holds that either Cincinnati or New England, both of whom have multiple first-round picks and a history of taking chances on players with character concerns, could be the team that takes Jenkins. The Rams are another logical landing spot -- Jenkins was in St. Louis on Monday, and the team has two high second-round picks and a coach in Jeff Fisher who's experienced in dealing with troubled young players
    I hope he falls to the 2nd or 3rd round and the titans draft him.
    Last edited by Complex; 04-18-2012, 01:12 PM.

  • Iamcanadian
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    I see no way Jenkins get picked in round 1, his character issues are just too out of control and teams drafting late won't touch him with a ten foot pole. Yes, he is an amazing talent, maybe even better than Claiborne's, but he is Pac Man Jones' clone and what good is a player who will be suspended all the time.

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  • Caulibflower
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    Originally posted by Chargerfn909 View Post
    Why waste a valuable draft pick on someone who is almost certainly going to struggle to stay in the league.
    Because by the time you get to the third round, you're already dealing with guy who are about as likely to be out of the league in a couple of years as they are to start. So when you have a potentially elite player still on the board, you take him. You don't have to like him. You're not hiring him to babysit your kids, you're hiring him to defend passes and knock the **** out of people. We really don't need to turn the draft into some kind of morality play every year. Every year, there are highly talented guys with character concerns, and every year those guys get drafted high. Sure, they might've been drafted higher if they weren't known to smoke weed, but they don't fall out of the draft. At most, and of course depending on their offenses, it more or less knocks them down a tier. Top-ten talents last into the 20s. First rounders go in the second or third. Elite prospects simply don't fall through the cracks, because there are always teams willing to give them a shot at getting their **** together on account of their talent, and it doesn't take very long for the talent of these "red flag" guys to be so far beyond the talent of the prospects on the teams' draft boards that they say, "**** it, we're taking him." Everyone in the room knows there's that chance of the player flaming out, but lets be honest: there are plenty of great guys who flame out of the league without being bad people, and ultimately, NFL decision-makers are in the business of winning football games. Even a coach who thinks Janoris is a shithead at some point sees his potential outweighing his risk and takes him. People like us, who don't think it's fair that a 22 year-old kid with no impulse control has an opportunity to make millions of dollars off of a talent he was born with, want to see him fail. People think, "I don't want to give this kid a chance because he's been taking advantage of chances for years." And you'd be justified in thinking that. Thing is, that's just not how the NFL works.

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  • Asteinebach
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    Originally posted by eaglesalltheway View Post
    Are you from ******* castefootball? Or what is the deal here? He smokes pot and ***** bitches without a condom. He may be dumb as a rock but what have you seen or heard that automatically makes you jump to that conclusion?
    Holy lack of a sense of humor Batman!

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  • stlouisfan37
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    I believe that someone here suggested that he admitted he still smoked pot during his time at UNA while being interviewed at the Combine.

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  • villagewarrior
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    I may have missed something, but I didn't see any specific issues at North Alabama, so what are these Execs talking about? I agree with the assessment that Jenkins is borderline draft able based on his idiocy, just wondering if there are specifics about his time at North Alabama.

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  • JoeJoeBrown
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    BTW, I'm hoping the Browns take him with their second 1st rounder.

    He and Haden together would be the bomb.

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  • stlouisfan37
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    Originally posted by CDCB14 View Post
    People forget the simple solution to this problem.... his contact. Just put a ton of fine/suspension clauses, revoke guaranteed money, etc. if he gets caught with weed.

    With the rookie wage scale now he won't be making as close to as much as he would have before, and he has 4 kids who he needs to pay child support.

    If he doesn't behave with all of that, then there are problems, but I would bet he does.
    This is a valid argument that is made by a lot of well-rounded people. Almost all of us in this world have a sense of appreciation for our behavior and the rewards or consequences that go along with it.

    But in cases like this we aren't talking about a well-rounded individual. We are talking about a young man who has some serious entitlement issues, who doesn't necessarily think rationally. We look at this guy and say, "He has responsibilities. He better stay straight, he has a career and babies to take care of." But the mere fact that we think this way is why we aren't in the position he is in in the first place. Will he change? Maybe. Can he change? Almost certainly. But if you ask any therapist what type of person is least likely to change their behavior on a deep level they will tell you a young man with entitlement issues.

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  • jojo
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    Originally posted by duesouth View Post
    In terms of talent, I could make a strong argument that he's better than Claiborne. A little smaller than Mo, but otherwise just as good or better. When a kid is that good he doesn't fall that far - someone always takes a chance and looking at the lack of depth at CB this year, I doubt he gets out of the second round. He should be a top 15 pick on pure talent.
    Agree, he has tremendous ball skills, doesn't miss tackles. Is it a "risk" to take a player with his risky reputation in the 2nd? For most, yeah, but with the skillset he brings to the table he could be exceptional.

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  • tjsunstein
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    He's the second best corner in the draft to me. I would pass up on Claiborne for a different need if I knew Jenkins would be there at my next pick.

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  • eaglesalltheway
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    Originally posted by Asteinebach View Post
    While everyone keeps talking about who's going to pull the trigger on Jenkins...I'm more concerned about who Jenkins is gonna pull the trigger on.
    Are you from ******* castefootball? Or what is the deal here? He smokes pot and ***** bitches without a condom. He may be dumb as a rock but what have you seen or heard that automatically makes you jump to that conclusion?

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  • Asteinebach
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    I'm not taking that bet, personally. And as I pointed out in another thread, even though the financial burden is no longer a factor, there's still the fact that by taking him you're passing on a number of other very solid candidates many of whom will be successful at the next level.

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  • CDCB14
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    People forget the simple solution to this problem.... his contact. Just put a ton of fine/suspension clauses, revoke guaranteed money, etc. if he gets caught with weed.

    With the rookie wage scale now he won't be making as close to as much as he would have before, and he has 4 kids who he needs to pay child support.

    If he doesn't behave with all of that, then there are problems, but I would bet he does.

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  • Asteinebach
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    Seriously though, I can't see anyone taking the leap on Jenkins. Remember Pac Man Jones was a top 10 pick. That's with everyone knowing that he was a screw-up and degenerate. And that was in a year full of extremely talented DB's, I can name a dozen off my head that've been more successful than Jones. If Jenkins' talent was so undeniable, it wouldn't be an obstacle for him being a first round pick. The truth is, the guys personality just so greatly outweighs the fact that he's a decent cover corner.

    Anyone picking this guy in the 1st round gets exactly what they deserve. Maybe a year, maybe two years of uninterrupted starter caliber football, followed by a slew of legal, marital, financial, and emotional issues. The guy is poison.

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