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  • #31
    Originally posted by draftguru151 View Post
    Well since no one wants to respond, that is the record for USC before they began their dominance. That's 4 seasons of 6 wins or less. Anyone know how many Miami had? 1, and that was in 1997. So how is Miami not consistent?
    ya, that i was thinking that before pete carroll came to usc, they went 35-35 and then once he came they went 50-0

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    • #32
      Originally posted by LSUALUM99 View Post
      Here's the reason I hold this opinion.

      The Pac-10 is a an offense first, defense second league. It's all flash. It's all about the WR, QB, and RB in that league. Until the Pac-10 pushes towards a defensive style of football it won't be a premier league. The stats are there for their own games but when it comes down to Bowl Appearances against SEC, ACC or even to some extent Big-12 teams they won't win consistantly.
      Really? For every example you can find of a powerhouse beating a Pac-10 school, I can come back with a Pac-10 school beating a powerhouse. And many other regular season examples of Pac 10 legitimacy, such as Oregon State's visit to Death Valley. Remember that middle of the road Pac-10 team coming to your house and making your Tigers look tame? You're perpetuating a myth here. The Pac-10 has always been competitive with the very best the country has to offer. I've cited numerous examples here before, and I can do it again if you'd like. I wouldn't say that our 10 team conference is better than the ACC and SEC, but I would say that we are certainly competitive. I agree the SEC is the class of the country, and I always give them their due respect.

      Originally posted by LSUALUM99 View Post
      I have held the opinion that the ACC is underrated, the Big 10 is overrated and the Pac-10 is generally way overrated.
      Hmm. Interesting. Way overrated? By who? Certainly not the national media. Certainly not the folks in your neighborhood. Who in the world overrates the Pac-10? Pac-10 fans who demand that due respect be given to their conference? You really believe that we don't have some of the best talent in the nation out here? You think kids in Louisiana run faster than kids in California? You think we don't have great coaches out here? How in the heck can the Pac-10 possibly be overrated?

      Originally posted by LSUALUM99 View Post
      I do think that SC would have been destroyed by either OU or LSU that year. During the following year SC played a much better defense game and were a more well rounded team.
      Well, you're obviously entitled to your opinion, but who's defense was it that shutout perennial SEC powerhouse Auburn that year, 23-0? It wasn't an SEC or ACC team that gave SC it's only loss that year, it was another PAC-10 school, Cal. There was good reason for SC being ranked #1 heading into the post season that year. I agree that both OU and LSU had great teams as well, but it will always remain a mystery as to who was truly the better team between LSU and SC. That fact can't be argued. Yeah, LSU handled OU. But that was a pretty sloppy game. Much more sloppy than the SC/Michigan contest. More turnovers and much more penalties in the Sugar Bowl that year (5/2 and 19/5). Also, SC sacked John Navarre 9 times. But hey, that defense was garbage.

      Originally posted by LSUALUM99 View Post
      As to Sniper. LSU won the game by one touchdown. However, if you had watched the game or even looked at the stat lines you'd realize that LSU dominated in every fashion of the game and during the 4th quarter, while leading, 21-7 they played extremely conservatively. OU scored toward the end of the game in a meaningless "thank god I don't bet on the spreads" garbage touchdown. Anyone who ever points to a score to say it was close without having watched the game should rethink their 'expert eyes' label.
      Again, that game was pretty sloppy. And OU's thrashing at the hands of K-State cannot be forgotten or minimized. No way can you sit here and convince anybody that they went out there and threw that game. I watched it. K-State just came out with tons of fire and just wanted it more. They just plain whipped OU's ass. Give them credit, and realize that the team you guys beat in the BCS may not have been as great as people previously thought. Oh, and if OU really did tank that game like you seem to believe, then that's an indictment against their validity as a legitimate power. Doesn't really help your argument.

      You want to talk about weak conferences and schedules, take a look at OU's slate that year. You'll never see a PAC-10 team thrash another by 77 points. See, out here anybody can beat anybody with the current exception of Stanford. Look no further than what happened to SC during their PAC-10 calendar last year. Losses to OSU and UCLA reflect the overall depth and strength of this conference. As do close calls against Washington, Washington St., Arizona, Arizona St. and Cal. 7 of 9 conference opponents either beat, or put a legitimate scare into the conference's best team. The bottom line is that your lack of respect for the Pac-10 is unwarranted. You could make a much better case for the Big-11 being vastly overrated. See, for someone to be overrated, they must be rated highly in the first place, and then they must fall short of those lofty expectations. That's something that's never really happened out west.

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      • #33
        Margin of victory is a pretty lousy way to compare two different teams. Circumstances as well as the crowd and atmosphere, and matchups most of all make some teams beat other teams by lots more, and others by lots less. It's especially pointless when comparing two teams from 2 different seasons. LSU beat Oklahoma in 2003, an Oklahoma team that was clearly better than the Michigan team that USC beat that year in their own city, a Michigan team coming off a blowout loss to their rival, who was ranked considerably lower :). I think LSU would've beaten SC in 2003 or at least made it really close, SC wasn't as good that year as they were in 04 or 05. And I still think that Auburn with that defense and the trio of Campbell/Williams/Brown would've beaten USC in 2004. That way we'd be talking about SC's 0 NCs instead of their 1.5. But that's all hypothetical, SC is definitely the best team of the last 5 years.

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        • #34
          Originally posted by keylime_5 View Post
          Margin of victory is a pretty lousy way to compare two different teams. Circumstances as well as the crowd and atmosphere, and matchups most of all make some teams beat other teams by lots more, and others by lots less. It's especially pointless when comparing two teams from 2 different seasons. LSU beat Oklahoma in 2003, an Oklahoma team that was clearly better than the Michigan team that USC beat that year in their own city, a Michigan team coming off a blowout loss to their rival, who was ranked considerably lower :). I think LSU would've beaten SC in 2003 or at least made it really close, SC wasn't as good that year as they were in 04 or 05. And I still think that Auburn with that defense and the trio of Campbell/Williams/Brown would've beaten USC in 2004. That way we'd be talking about SC's 0 NCs instead of their 1.5. But that's all hypothetical, SC is definitely the best team of the last 5 years.
          Not sure what your point is. You didn't really make one. I know I'm not comparing teams from different seasons here. Also, about SC playing the bowl game in their home city, where do you think the Sugar Bowl is played? As for margin of victory, when you have patsies in your conference that are constantly being blown out by the upper tier teams, that exposes weakness. I'm pointing out that this seems to happen much more often in conferences other than the Pac-10. The fact that every single Pac-10 team has either won or tied for the conference championship at least once in the last 14 years speaks volumes about the incredible parity we enjoy out here.

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          • #35
            Originally posted by draftguru151 View Post
            Well since no one wants to respond, that is the record for USC before they began their dominance. That's 4 seasons of 6 wins or less. Anyone know how many Miami had? 1, and that was in 1997. So how is Miami not consistent?
            so thankful that the U has draftguru to post the facts. people are so focused on right now and quickly forget the past. The U, although it may be on a down, that down isn't all that terrible and still does a good job. they deserve higher their rank.

            and i must add, the USC has 2 championships makes me sick also. so does their reactions to losing to Vince Young in the other year (leinart more specifically). not a fan of USC


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            • #36
              Duckseason,

              Let me clarify my position on the Pac-10 as you seem to have misunderstood what I was trying to say (to be fair, I wasn't overly clear either). I believe the Pac-10 is in many ways similar to the Big-12. By that I mean that in any one year 1-2 two teams are good/great. However, the teams that are good/great are typically a function of a couple of standout players versus a very strong program with a philosophy designed to be constitantly great.

              In general, teams that rely on star players go from great to average quickly. This is consistant with UCLA or OSU or Oregon or whomever to occasionally have a stellar season. USC up until a few years ago was in that 'rut'. They'd have to wait for a Rodney Peete every few years to be a very good team.

              I also think this is why teams like Miami, FSU, tOSU, and Florida are consistantly great teams. They typically have Defense as their backbone (despite the Spurrier offense or the Hurricane RB/QB dujor). I think until the Pac-10 teams adopt the philosphy of defense first they won't be a consistant power house conference.

              I stand by the fact that going into the KSU game OU had nothing to gain by winning. They had the BCS championship game locked up before the game even started. I live in Dallas, heart of the Big-12 with way more sooner fans than I'd like to live around. All I hear about daily is OU this and UofT that. Alot of talk around the area was that going into that game that OU was probably going to come out flat.

              That all being said. USC has been the best team over the past 5 years. I don't have a problem with that. They also seem to be very concerned with developing a top tier defense and this year they may be better than any of the previous 5 years. But, they do not deserve to get this B.S. 2003 National Championship anymore than Auburn could claim the 2004 National Championship.

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              Originally posted by DMWSackMachine
              I just wanna warn you guys not to take TNew41 too seriously. He's....let's just say, special. He's fairly harmless, though. He just needs several years of seasoning before he tries to make any more points, is all.

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              • #37
                Except for the fact that USC won 55-19 and not 21-14 in their NC. Did USC win the BCS championship game? No, but they didn't get the trophy for that, they were voted to as the AP national champions, so if you agree with it or not they did win a national championship.

                That is correct comahan
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                • #38
                  Either way no matter how much LSU fans cry we still have two Titles hundreds, thousands, millions of years from now people will say USC and LSU shared that Title like what Nebraska and Michigan did in 1997. As of right now we have 11 National Championships. Not 10.5 or 10 we have 11.

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                  • #39
                    I like this blurb from cfn's SEC preview.

                    Of all the national champions since Florida State won in 1993 (remember that only the BCS champions count in our new world…sorry USC of 2003), only three finished with a loss. Take a wild stab at which league produced those three; yes, the SEC (1995 Florida, 2003 LSU, and 2006 Florida). You can understand why Auburn fans are still angry after their unbeaten team got left out in the cold in 2004. The SEC has proven time and again that when given the chance, it shines through on the highest stage.
                    And yes I know USC beat Auburn the year before but I don't think they wouldn't have beat that undefeated 04' Auburn team. They got lucky and dodged the SEC champ two years in a row 03 LSU and 04 Auburn.

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                    • #40
                      55-19

                      I think it's more like Auburn got lucky so at least they could think about the NC and get a bowl win instead of getting throttled in the national championship.

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                      • #41
                        55-19
                        I'm not sure what 03 Auburn has to do with 04 Auburn. Different squads. I believe that 04 Auburn team had 4 1st rounders and USC had 1 or none that year. I stand by my statement that USC is lucky they didn't have to play Auburn and instead got to face Jason White.

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                        • #42
                          That's the score of the USC/OU NC. Auburn wouldn't have stood a chance that day.

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                          • #43
                            Auburn Wins:
                            LSU 10-9
                            at Tennessee 34-10
                            Arkansas 38-20
                            Georgia 35-14
                            atBama 21-13
                            Tennessee (Conf Champ game) 38-28

                            USC
                            Virginia Tech 24-13
                            at Stanford 31-28
                            California 23-17
                            Arizona State 45-7
                            at UCLA 29-24



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                            • #44
                              Well then that's even more absurd. I really don't see what 04 OU has to do with 04 Auburn. You do realise those are two different teams, right?

                              We'll never know who would have won because they didn't get the chance to play.

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by constant cough View Post
                                I'm not sure what 03 Auburn has to do with 04 Auburn. Different squads. I believe that 04 Auburn team had 4 1st rounders and USC had 1 or none that year. I stand by my statement that USC is lucky they didn't have to play Auburn and instead got to face Jason White.
                                People put too much emphasis on players drafted as a basis of how well a team is. If draft status is so important than why didn't the 05' NC State team play like one of the best teams in the nation. I think many people would agree that Auburn should have played USC instead of Oklahoma, but to say that they would have out right won is just wrong.


                                Originally posted by Halsey
                                I don't have to watch it to know it was not interesting.

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