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  • The Spread Option revisited (rant)

    Earlier last August I started a thread poll asking everyone whether they preferred a pro style attack vs. a spread option attack for their college team. I think slightly more people said that they preferred pro style.

    But I think this year's BCS bowls have shown more and more, that in CFB you need the spread option to win a national championship.

    Look at the last few BCS bowls and championships. Vince Young and Texas. White and West Virginia. Leak/Tebow and Florida. Flynn/Perriloux and LSU.

    It just seems that a Spread Option offense that is talented enough and well put together (good enough O-line, good enough receivers, rb, and a QB that can run and pass adequately) is just too much to ask even the best college defenses nowadays to defend.

    I look at USC's defense this year, which was arguably the best defense in the country, and I saw them struggle against Dennis Dixon and Oregon.

    Most college defenders just aren't fast enough or good enough tacklers to make plays in space the way the spread demands you to do.

    Most people will say that it's all about recruiting. Whoever has the best athletes will most likely win. But I'm starting to feel like the Spread Option, at its best, just has much more upside than a Pro-style offense at its best.

    The Spread Option provides so much more looks. you can run straightforward smashmouth, you can run laterally, you can fake pitches, you can pull reverses, and then you can pass.

    The spread option is also easier to teach and develop. A QB in the pro style offense reaches his peak in a minimum of 3 years under the system while a Spread Option QB doesn't have to learn as much how to make reads or call audibles to effectively run a spread.

    I picture dual threats like Terrelle Pryor becoming more and more common in the college game, and a sort of de-emphasis on refined pocket passing happening (a little)

    But I don't think it will ever be the high in demand in the NFL, where passing is just too sophisticated.

  • #2
    First, LSU barely ran the spread in the NCG. They ran a pro set with Flynn at QB.
    The spread is a good offense no doubt about it but we won't know for a couple of years just how good it is. For the longest time only a few colleges played the spread offense and it was extremely difficult for teams to adjust to it when they just didn't see it a lot. As it becomes more popular, DC's will learn how to defend against it and its effectiveness will be brought under control. The WCO which was invented by Bill Walsh in the pros and was unstoppable but as more and more teams started using it, DC's soon learned how to defense it. Today more and more teams are abandoning it for another offense because defensive coaches are too used to seeing it and are now prepared to defend against it. The same will happen to the spread offense. When you only see an offense once a season, teams will always have trouble adjusting but when it reaches the stage where you see it all the time, coaches will learn quickly how to defend it.
    A HC must always be prepared to switch offenses when teams catch up to the spread. It will be effective for 3 or 4 more seasons but when the defensive coaches get to play against it a lot, its effectiveness will be lost.
    The key to a successful offense or defense is to have one that few teams employ, that way offensive and defensive coordinators will always have trouble with it. Simply saying one offense or defense is the best without quantifying it just isn't true. It is the spread's turn to shine but it won't last forever.
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    • #3
      all i know is auburn is thinking of going to the spread for next season with kodi burns, that'll be hella tight as it looked pretty well in the bowl game. they only had a weeks practice at that as well.


      RIP, Sean Taylor.

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      • #4
        i'll buy the spread, but i'm not sold on the spread option...
        I'm a state.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Michigan View Post
          i'll buy the spread, but i'm not sold on the spread option...
          Spread Option is one of the most effective ways to get athletes out in space. Sounds like someone doesnt like the hiring of Rich Rod.
          The Spread Option relies on making good reads and putting speed in space. The days of power football in collegiate football are over, because speed is the most important of all the elements of non-qb skill players. Players with speed are able to make a bigger impact faster (no pun intended) then ever before. If you look at freshman contributions, you will notice that all of them are incredibly fast, and speed is starting to dominate the game. Teams like Notre Dame that are historically slow are on the decline, and teams like WVU, Missou, Kansas are all pulling in less "talent" than Notre Dame's #1 recruiting classes. One thing they recruit is ATHLETES. Noel Devine and Jeremy Macklin were both huge contributers and are both freshman. Just looking across the board offensively, you now see why the teams that consistantly win do just that, win. QBs who are a threat to run**,RBs that could bust a big play at anytime, recievers that S T R E T C H the field and all abundant in the teams that win.

          **= Not Immobile. Somewhat able to make a play with their feet if needed
          CHRIS PETERSEN > STEVE SARKISIAN AND JIM MORA. CALL ME WHEN ONE MAKES A BCS BOWL.


          Originally posted by slightlyabroncosfan
          JBalla is mormon, so naturally he assumes that whenever you get one marriage done, another two or five are in the works.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by jballa838 View Post
            Spread Option is one of the most effective ways to get athletes out in space. Sounds like someone doesnt like the hiring of Rich Rod.
            The Spread Option relies on making good reads and putting speed in space. The days of power football in collegiate football are over, because speed is the most important of all the elements of non-qb skill players. Players with speed are able to make a bigger impact faster (no pun intended) then ever before. If you look at freshman contributions, you will notice that all of them are incredibly fast, and speed is starting to dominate the game. Teams like Notre Dame that are historically slow are on the decline, and teams like WVU, Missou, Kansas are all pulling in less "talent" than Notre Dame's #1 recruiting classes. One thing they recruit is ATHLETES. Noel Devine and Jeremy Macklin were both huge contributers and are both freshman. Just looking across the board offensively, you now see why the teams that consistantly win do just that, win. QBs who are a threat to run**,RBs that could bust a big play at anytime, recievers that S T R E T C H the field and all abundant in the teams that win.

            **= Not Immobile. Somewhat able to make a play with their feet if needed
            For more information on the spread option, please refer to: WVU Vs. Pitt, WVU at USF, USF at WVU(the year before.)

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Tampa 2 4 life View Post
              For more information on the spread option, please refer to: WVU Vs. Pitt, WVU at USF, USF at WVU(the year before.)
              for more information on the Pro Style offense please refer to:
              Stanford vs. USC. Michigan vs. Appalachian State, WVU vs. Oklahoma. . .

              see how good your arguement is? It really means nothing that WVU lost by an average of 6 points this season.
              They lost 4 games the past 2 years by:
              A Combined total of 27
              An average of around 6.
              CHRIS PETERSEN > STEVE SARKISIAN AND JIM MORA. CALL ME WHEN ONE MAKES A BCS BOWL.


              Originally posted by slightlyabroncosfan
              JBalla is mormon, so naturally he assumes that whenever you get one marriage done, another two or five are in the works.

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              • #8
                it works well against inferior opponents even if you run the same plays every down (qb read, bubble screen)

                it doesnt work well when the opponents are decent and you run the same plays (see usf, pitt)

                but when you mix it up its hard to stop (see fiesta bowl)

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by kwilk103 View Post
                  it works well against inferior opponents even if you run the same plays every down (qb read, bubble screen)

                  it doesnt work well when the opponents are decent and you run the same plays (see usf, pitt)

                  but when you mix it up its hard to stop (see fiesta bowl)
                  yeah, it isnt the most complex offense. It is based on the QB Read and the QB can pull out and run at anytime (Thats what she said:))
                  Thats why my Pee-Wee team next year is running it. (5th grade. I am O-Coordinator)
                  CHRIS PETERSEN > STEVE SARKISIAN AND JIM MORA. CALL ME WHEN ONE MAKES A BCS BOWL.


                  Originally posted by slightlyabroncosfan
                  JBalla is mormon, so naturally he assumes that whenever you get one marriage done, another two or five are in the works.

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                  • #10
                    if you watched a lot of wvu games, you would know that white and slaton did a lot on their own; a lot of td came from them breaking one on busted plays

                    however, if you watched the fiesta bowl, when you mix it up---downfield passing---it is very very hard to stop

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                    • #11
                      IT's certainly the offense of the future in college football.

                      People say it's because there aren't enough good athletes in college football.

                      I disagree. It's difficult to stop vs good athletes as well. When you have a QB who has 4.4 speed, that is fast no matter how good a defense is. And if that QB can make a DE pay for committing too far down on a run play, and can throw the football to keep the defense honest, then it doesn't matter how good of athletes are on the field.

                      When properly executed, with only 11 defenders on the field it's too difficult to account for those three dimensions of football with the 1)Pass 2)HB/FB Run and 3)QB run


                      Only with poor execution and playcalling can it really be stopped.

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                      • #12
                        I see the spread option fading away eventually. It's fairly popular now, and it will be for some time - but eventually defenses will figure it out. To be honest, all it really takes to beat the spread option is good tackling. Pitt vs. WVU was a superb example of that. My guess is teams will really start to emphasize fundamentals on defense as the spread option becomes more popular. As that's all it really takes to beat it.

                        I understand why a lot of teams are converting to it. Partially for recruiting reasons, because a lot of high schools run the spread or spread option now. Also, it makes recruiting for teams like WVU, who have trouble luring some recruits to their school due to their location easier. You don't need a good/great passer to be successful with the spread option. Just a decent passer and a QB who can tuck it and turn up field.
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                        • #13
                          Watching Vince Young and Texas absolutely demolish teams with the spread has to win this argument. The margin of error is much smaller with a talented spread rather than a talented pro offense. Texas ran read options and bubble screens to death early on with Vince, and then graduated to a deeper passing attack off PA.

                          You need the following personnel:

                          -big, fast QB
                          -backs with good vision and explosiveness
                          -receivers that can get open and catch, nothing special
                          -big linemen

                          Once again, using VY Texas as the model, you have the dual-threat QB as a runner and dual-threat as a runner/passer. Basically meaning he can be elusive in space on QB keepers or go hard up the middle for solid yardage. The defense has to account for those 2 running styles, the off-tackle run, and the PA pass. No college defense can stop a balanced attack like this. Texas was able to throw deep very effectively off of this offense which was the clincher.

                          A pro-style attack, even with a talented bunch, requires too many factors to have successful drives and avoid turnovers. You can't just stick to your bread-and-butter because defenses will key against it. There aren't enough complementary plays to fool the defense, just run and PA. The spread option has reverses, options, option passes, etc.

                          I really don't see any argument. Give Team A an amazing cast of pro-style talents and give Team B a spread formula...Team B will be mjch more consistent.

                          Another example of spread vs. pro-style is the 18-1 Patriots, compared to say the Chargers. I think people get it even though I didn't go into much detail.

                          BBIB hit it right on the head. Only poor execution and maybe playcalling can stop a good spread. Poor execution is less likely, however, because teams run the same plays over and over until they are comfortable in them. Florida struggled with execution because they are a young team.

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                          • #14
                            you dont necessarily need big lineman

                            wvu relys on smaller, quicker lineman

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by kwilk103 View Post
                              you dont necessarily need big lineman

                              wvu relys on smaller, quicker lineman
                              WVU needs smaller linemen. The example I posted was a Texas spread, which requires bigger linemen to pass block on PA, etc. It changes with every style of offense. Texas Tech has massive linemen because they just need to take up space for their shotgun spread.

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