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  • #46
    Originally posted by Brodeur View Post
    Ah okay, so that money is definitely worth the fact that they make the school millions upon millions of dollars and don't ever see a dime.
    USC is $40,000 per semester. He's getting $320,000 worth of education

    $55,000 if you live in the dorm

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    • #47
      Originally posted by wonderbredd24 View Post
      USC is $40,000 per semester. He's getting $320,000 worth of education

      $55,000 if you live in the dorm
      It's $38,000 for two semesters, not one.


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      • #48
        Originally posted by Brodeur View Post
        Ah okay, so that money is definitely worth the fact that they make the school millions upon millions of dollars and don't ever see a dime.
        Those poor athletes...how on earth do they get by from ages 18-22 with only free tuition, books, place to live on campus, tutors doing work for them, etc. They're just so impoverished. I'm sure every person working full time and taking out tens of thousands of dollars in student loans (by the time you're done at USC, tuition alone exceeds $100,000) feels really bad for them.

        The sense of entitlement from this generation astounds me sometimes.

        And this is right along the lines of what I thought SC would receive as a punishment. They're repeat major violators (last major violation was in 2001, so this made at least two major violations in less than 5 years). Considering that fact, I think they got off kind of easy. Anybody within arm's length of USC could tell it the inmates were running the asylum with Pete Carroll playing the role of senior fraternity brother.
        Last edited by yourfavestoner; 06-10-2010, 10:51 AM.

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        • #49
          Originally posted by yourfavestoner View Post
          Those poor athletes...how on earth do they get by from ages 18-22 with only free tuition, books, place to live on campus, tutors doing work for them, etc. They're just so impoverished. I'm sure every person working full time and taking out tens of thousands of dollars in student loans (by the time you're done at USC, tuition alone exceeds $100,000) feels really bad for them.
          The big difference is that normal students don't generate anywhere near the revenue for their school that football players at USC do (or basketball players at UNC, etc). I don't think players should be paid like NFL pros but I think there's a case to be made that the NCAA deals with the issue poorly.

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          • #50
            Really too bad to hear, hopefully Pete was not running away from it but who knows. However I heard the report was only about Reggie Bush so no need to paint the entire program as a failure and a bunch of cheaters.

            USC had some great football teams over the past years and will go down in history as some of the best teams ever. Let us remember it is not like the Miami Hurricanes were totally controversy free after their years of domination.

            All great college teams have controversy at some point now a days, still does not take away from what they did on the field even if they take away the titles.

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            • #51
              Originally posted by killxswitch View Post
              The big difference is that normal students don't generate anywhere near the revenue for their school that football players at USC do (or basketball players at UNC, etc). I don't think players should be paid like NFL pros but I think there's a case to be made that the NCAA deals with the issue poorly.
              Yes, but the point is every football player on scholarship at USC, for example, is essentially being paid $40K+ a year when all is said and done. The scholarship limit is what, like 80 something? That's $3.2M being paid out to just football players every year.

              Now, I don't have the time or resources to go about looking up how much certain football programs generate in revenue vs. how much they spend on players' scholarships. But most BCS universities will probably spend between $1-4M per yera in scholarships. I'd be interested to see how much certain programs generate by themselves, and then how much their ADs generate in total.

              I'm wondering to anyone who thinks college athletes should be compensated further (not just Brodeur, anyone who feels this way), on how/how much you feel they should be compensated. I think it'd be an interesting discussion to see how valuable we feel certain athletes would be worth with relation to revenues.

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              • #52
                Originally posted by iowatreat54 View Post
                Yes, but the point is every football player on scholarship at USC, for example, is essentially being paid $40K+ a year when all is said and done. The scholarship limit is what, like 80 something? That's $3.2M being paid out to just football players every year.

                Now, I don't have the time or resources to go about looking up how much certain football programs generate in revenue vs. how much they spend on players' scholarships. But most BCS universities will probably spend between $1-4M per yera in scholarships. I'd be interested to see how much certain programs generate by themselves, and then how much their ADs generate in total.

                I'm wondering to anyone who thinks college athletes should be compensated further (not just Brodeur, anyone who feels this way), on how/how much you feel they should be compensated. I think it'd be an interesting discussion to see how valuable we feel certain athletes would be worth with relation to revenues.
                I think before that question could be answered we would need to know football-specific revenues at the school in question. And of course there couldn't be one set salary because each school will make a different amount based on TV revenues, ticket sales, merchandise sales, etc.

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                • #53
                  If athletes start getting paid would schools like Boise State all the way to the bottom feeders be able to pay their players? It would be a kick to the little guys, why go to a smaller school when you can get paid at a bigger school.
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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by killxswitch View Post
                    The big difference is that normal students don't generate anywhere near the revenue for their school that football players at USC do (or basketball players at UNC, etc). I don't think players should be paid like NFL pros but I think there's a case to be made that the NCAA deals with the issue poorly.
                    In the short term, yes, but the main student population is what eventually makes up the alumni association, the booster program, etc - all huge cash cows for the university.

                    I understand the argument and the complete hypocrisy and facade that the NCAA has going on regarding "student-athletes." The athletes don't really have a choice since there's no drafting out of high school, no minor leagues, and no other countries really that even play American-style football. At the same time, though, getting a free education (especially at an institution as prestigious as USC) plus room and board for four years can be absolutely priceless if you really take advantage of it. A lot of athletes don't which is neither my care nor concern. You also have to consider that other than the top 10% or programs, most institutions don't make nearly enough money to be able to pay players. Also, since most colleges are funded by the state (and they're already slashing funding for colleges), there's a strong possibility that any money paid to the players would have to come from taxpayer funds.

                    The entire NCAA is just a mess, and they keep confounding the problem by demanding that they're for the student, when every single action they take is for big money. It's hypocritical and nobody wins except conference commissioners.

                    The entire thing is a joke, but paying players isn't the best way to end the joke. If you're gonna get them, take away all the stuff they get for free, because the cost of tuition, room and board, books, food plans, and everything else drowns out any amount of money you could pay them. I'm sorry but no 18-22 year old is worth that much.

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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by Bob Sanders Dreadlock View Post
                      If athletes start getting paid would schools like Boise State all the way to the bottom feeders be able to pay their players? It would be a kick to the little guys, why go to a smaller school when you can get paid at a bigger school.
                      I'm pretty sure Boise State is not getting any big name recruits. The players that come out of there that turn out to be studs are the ones who worked to where they got.

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                      • #56
                        Getting a free education is a pretty ****** big deal. Schools go though tons to get these kids on the field. A lot of the football and basketball players i wonder if they even got a double digit score on their ACT. Looking at interviews of people like Chris Johnson or Devin Hester, they do not come off as very smart people.
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                        • #57
                          Originally posted by Bob Sanders Dreadlock View Post
                          Getting a free education is a pretty ****** big deal. Schools go though tons to get these kids on the field. A lot of the football and basketball players i wonder if they even got a double digit score on their ACT. Looking at interviews of people like Chris Johnson or Devin Hester, they do not come off as very smart people.
                          Exactly. What would Chris Johnson and Devin Hester do if they did not have football? Do you think Chris Johnson could do much with his communications degree?

                          The only reason some of these kids even go to college is to try to get noticed the professional scouts. A lot of them dont.

                          I understand when you add it all up it looks like these kids get a lot of money. The thing is that these schools make millions upon millions off of these kids. These kids arent normal students either. They practice 20+ hours a week, having lifting and conditioning on top of that, still have to go to class, and still have some schoolwork to do. Thats just during the school year. They have training camp in the summer and bowl games in the winter. Being a college football player is basically a year round job.

                          But then I see videos like this:
                          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Az0yNJTWzAM

                          And it doesnt seem so bad being a college athlete with that kind of set up.

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                          • #58
                            Originally posted by Bob Sanders Dreadlock View Post
                            If athletes start getting paid would schools like Boise State all the way to the bottom feeders be able to pay their players? It would be a kick to the little guys, why go to a smaller school when you can get paid at a bigger school.
                            That is a good point. If it ever became anything it would probably just be a low, flat stipend kind of like what grad students get.

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                            • #59
                              hmm... are you sure these guys get free room and board? I remember Dwayne Jarrett getting busted for not having to pay rent to Leinart's dad for an apartment they were sharing.

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                              • #60
                                Originally posted by soybean View Post
                                hmm... are you sure these guys get free room and board? I remember Dwayne Jarrett getting busted for not having to pay rent to Leinart's dad for an apartment they were sharing.
                                Yes. Athletes on full scholarships are eligible to receive room and board. However, this doesn't mean the school will pay for them to live in some off campus apartment/house. It means living in the dorm or student housing. I'm pretty sure athletes can choose not to live in student housing, they just have to pay rent wherever they choose then. While not glamorous, having a place to live for 4-5 years for free is still pretty nice all things considered.

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