Announcement

Collapse
No announcement yet.

The Conference Expansion Thread

Collapse
This is a sticky topic.
X
X
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • MWC needs to stop steeling my conference's schools.

    Comment


    • Fresno St and Nevada are headed to the MWC . Utah St is rumored as well and Hawaii is rumored to go indy...the WAC is out of Whack!

      Sig by Bone Krusher

      Comment


      • Villanova is reportedly strongly considering a move to the Big East and there is a mutual courtship going on...I think it would be an enormous mistake not to make the jump. There are some downsides but with the uncertainty of the current collegiate sports landscape having an FBS football program is critical, and the team is obviously very strong for their level. Given all of the chatter that's going on right now it seems like a definitely possibility. Would also be nice for the Big East since 'Nova does everything else in that conference basically so other sports stay intact and there's no 17th team in other sports and it would allow a more balanced football schedule with 9 teams.

        http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=5553575
        Last edited by derza222; 09-12-2010, 01:14 AM.

        Comment


        • http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=5756898 so looks like the big east is looking to expand the football and get 2 more programs... is anyone else amused that tcu(lol east?) and ucf(oh man i could go on forever about this mainly they have NO fans one of the largest schools in the country and they cant even half fill their stadium) are on the list cause i certainly am, but you all know where im going the obvious choice for one of them is ecu, huge fan base sells out 50+ thousand seat stadium for about every game, and a vast new tv market seeings how the fan/alumni base goes from charlotte nc to hampton roads /rant

          Comment


          • The MWC should go after Kansas and K ST. The Big East should merge with the MAC and form a Big Middle American East Conference.

            Comment


            • Originally posted by TitansCJftw View Post
              http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=5756898 so looks like the big east is looking to expand the football and get 2 more programs... is anyone else amused that tcu(lol east?) and ucf(oh man i could go on forever about this mainly they have NO fans one of the largest schools in the country and they cant even half fill their stadium) are on the list cause i certainly am, but you all know where im going the obvious choice for one of them is ecu, huge fan base sells out 50+ thousand seat stadium for about every game, and a vast new tv market seeings how the fan/alumni base goes from charlotte nc to hampton roads /rant
              All about markets for a TV deal. TCU gives you Dallas/Fort Worth, and UCF gives Orlando. Apparently the Big East thinks ECU doesn't offer as much for the TV deal that you do.

              Comment


              • ucf and usf are about 100 miles apart so as far as tv markets that doesnt make much sense to me and i would like to add
                "Today, our Board of Directors affirmed a set of key strategic initiatives, including expansion, designed to enhance membership stability and maximize our value," Big East commissioner John Marinatto said in a statement.

                Marinatto said the conference will refrain from commenting further on the expansion process. "
                aka this is reporter speculation about tcu/ucf/nova

                Comment


                • Originally posted by TitansCJftw View Post
                  ucf and usf are about 100 miles apart so as far as tv markets that doesnt make much sense to me and i would like to add
                  "Today, our Board of Directors affirmed a set of key strategic initiatives, including expansion, designed to enhance membership stability and maximize our value," Big East commissioner John Marinatto said in a statement.

                  Marinatto said the conference will refrain from commenting further on the expansion process. "
                  aka this is reporter speculation about tcu/ucf/nova
                  Still doesn't help the perceived lack of market at ECU. USF and UCF also cover two different "markets" - Tampa and Orlando. There's a ton of TV markets in Florida, so I think that's the rationale there.

                  Also, 'Nova isn't speculation, they were invited earlier in the year and have been working on coming up with a decision.
                  Last edited by derza222; 11-03-2010, 07:20 PM.

                  Comment


                  • Personally, I don't think it would be in Villanova's best interest to move up to FBS. A small school (9500 enrollment) that would have to increase it's current stadium or rent out the MLS stadium in Philadelphia as well as offer more scholarships to get to the FBS mandated level. If the Big East was targeting at gaining the Philadelphia market the obvious choice would be a team they voted out several years ago: Temple.

                    The Owls program has seen a resurgence since Al Golden has taken over, have a stronger and bigger alumni base, are a stronger draw then Villanova in Philadelphia, have an ironclad lease at Lincoln Financial Field, are a state-affiliated school much like most of the "football" schools currently in the Big East, and lastly they can be just as competitive in basketball in the Big East as Villanova.

                    Also, I feel it is mutually beneficial for TCU to join the Big East. The Horned Frogs give the Big East credibility since they are one of the top non-AQ schools out there, have been ranked in the top 25 in eight of past ten years, ranked in the top 10 in four of the past five years, and expand the Big East's footprint. While at first they seem like a geographical anomaly for the Big East, the distance from Fort Worth, TX to Syracuse is 1500 miles and to Storrs, CT is roughly 1700. The distance from Syracuse to Tampa, FL where current Big East school USF is located is 1300 miles.

                    The other two schools that would seem to be the best fit in the Big East are UCF and Houston. UCF helps expand the television market by adding the Orlando area and helping secure a foothold in Florida for recruiting purposes. It also helps that the Big East is now affiliated with the Champs Sports Bowl which is located in Orlando. Houston would serve as a travel partner of sorts with TCU, has a strong tradition in basketball and is a solid football program, and again would help put a foothold in Texas recruiting while also offering the Houston market for Big East football and basketball.

                    Why not East Carolina who is one of the best teams in C-USA? While they are on the Big East's radar, they have to be towards the bottom of the list. The Pirates are very competitive in football, which is what is needed in the Big East, but they are wretched in basketball and don't offer much of a television market. Greenville, NC is the tenth largest city in North Carolina which doesn't say much, however, they still are on their radar but there are better choices that offer more than ECU can offer.

                    If Temple, TCU, Houston, and UCF are invited then the conference could be divided as such:

                    West
                    TCU
                    Houston
                    UCF
                    USF
                    Louisville
                    Cincinnatti

                    East
                    Syracuse
                    Rutgers
                    Pitt
                    UConn
                    West Virginia
                    Temple

                    To stay more in line with the Big East, they could invite UCF, ECU, Temple, and then ask for Villanova to secure the East coach but I don't see how that helps their case as a BCS conference which runs out in 2013. They need to make a splash and land a big name school and offering TCU does just that.
                    Last edited by diabsoule; 11-10-2010, 09:26 PM.

                    Beastly sig by BoneKrusher

                    Super Bowl XLIV Champions
                    WHO DAT!

                    Comment


                    • While at first they seem like a geographical anomaly for the Big East, the distance from Fort Worth, TX to Syracuse is 1500 miles and to Storrs, CT is roughly 1700. The distance from Syracuse to Tampa, FL where current Big East school USF is located is 1300 miles.
                      Whilst the distance difference is minimal it is the "stupidity" of considering TCU "East" that makes it a really poor match geographically. Tampa is 1300 miles south of the other places, meaning it is still firmly in the east of the US.

                      Also... did everyone see that San Antonio, Denver and Texas State are to join the WAC over the next few years, effectively saving the conference. Has a lot of work but they are at least in good area's to build strong teams.


                      Props to BK on the sig!

                      Comment


                      • Originally posted by wogitalia View Post
                        Whilst the distance difference is minimal it is the "stupidity" of considering TCU "East" that makes it a really poor match geographically. Tampa is 1300 miles south of the other places, meaning it is still firmly in the east of the US.

                        Also... did everyone see that San Antonio, Denver and Texas State are to join the WAC over the next few years, effectively saving the conference. Has a lot of work but they are at least in good area's to build strong teams.
                        If four teams are added to the Big East then I would think that conference would split along basketball schools and football schools. Right now only eight teams play football in the Big East while eight others plays basketball. A split between those would allow the football schools to grow by adding two to four teams while the basketball schools could grow as well by inviting other teams. A split would also allow the football schools to rename their conference and an idea that has been tossed around, which I like, is by taking the name of an older conference whose rights could more than likely be cheaply purchased: The Metro Conference.

                        The basketball only schools could retain the Big East name and also Madison Square Garden could be used to play their basketball tournament in. In order to become a signature basketball conference, the new Big East could invite teams such as Xavier, Dayton, Richmond, and UMass to go alongside mainstays Villanova, Georgetown, Marquette, and Notre Dame. The Metro Conference could in turn play their basketball tournament in Philadelphia at the Wells Fargo Center (current home of the Philadelphia 76ers).

                        Using the Metro Conference name would fit the former Big East football schools since most of the universities would exist in metro markets (Philadelphia, Fort Worth, Houston, Orlando, Tampa, Pittsburgh, etc.). I think this is the road that you will see the Big East eventually take since football is where the money is made an to maintain a BCS status then it will have to expand to make itself more viable in the market of big conferences.

                        With the Pac-10 and Big Ten expanded, the former Big XII and the Big East will be the only BCS conferences that lack a conference championship game. If the Big East wants to stay in the hunt then they need to be proactive and aggressively pursue at least two universities.

                        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metro_Conference

                        Beastly sig by BoneKrusher

                        Super Bowl XLIV Champions
                        WHO DAT!

                        Comment


                        • The New WAC

                          Looks like the new WAC as of 2012 will be the least desirable conference of college FB, new FB programs, a program moving up a division + a b-ball only program will be filling slots left by departing Boise St., Fresno St., & Nevada. All the schools with winning traditions & rcds. seem to be leaving.

                          It's an expensive goodbye, the 3 programs leaving are paying $900K each to the conference. Clearly the long term lucrative membership in the Mtn. West more than compensates for the fees in their estimation.

                          Montana has declined to join the WAC & move up to the FBS. New UM Pres. Royce Engstrom made the announcement in Missoula < a month after taking office, citing additional expenses & the need to maintain their cross-state rivalry with Montana St. In Butte. The Montana Griz, a longstanding FCS (formerly Div. II-A) FB powerhouse in the Big Sky Conference, had been the primary target for the WAC to add.

                          The new WAC (as of 2012) will be at this time:

                          Hawaii
                          Idaho
                          Louisiana Tech
                          New Mexico St.
                          San Jose St.
                          Texas-San Antonio
                          Texas St.
                          Utah St.
                          U. of Denver -- B-ball only

                          Texas St. (Bobcats) is the former Southwest Texas St. U. in San Marcos, 30 mi. SW of Austin & 55 mi. NE of San Antonio, & is in the FCS.

                          UTSA (Roadrunners) will begin FCS play next yr. & move into the FBS WAC in 2012. Former Miami Canes HC Larry Coker who won the 2001 NC with them will be the1st UTSA program HC.

                          http://www.examiner.com/headlines-in...onference-2012
                          Last edited by LizardState; 11-12-2010, 12:38 PM.

                          Comment


                          • I have to disagree with you on Villanova's interests diab. You are correct, Villanova would have to probably rent out PPL Park, but that's essentially the biggest downside. The upsides are money, protection of the basketball program, and national recognition. The Big East is interested in TV markets, if they don't get Villanova then they may look to get Temple, as you mentioned, as an all sports member. Temple in the Big East would certainly hurt basketball recruiting, and basketball at Villanova is a huge deal. 'Nova does not want Temple in the Big East, and if they decline that invite then the Big East may invite Temple. Villanova's football program also currently loses about $4 million annually, and no Big East football school loses more than $1 million on their program, and only 2 do lose money. Additionally, with conference expansion and the uncertainty that the college landscape has right now, having a FBS football program would make Villanova much more appealing to, say, the ACC if the Big East gets picked apart and has to disband. Wake Forest makes it work with about half the enrollment of Villanova, I'm sure 'Nova could make it work as well. It's tough to estimate the importance of protecting the basketball program for anyone who isn't a 'Nova student or alum, but I guarantee you if the Big East splits and 'Nova ends up in a Catholic schools basketball conference that's basically what the A-10 is now and Jay Wright leaves alums are going to be really, really upset.

                            That said, I think the administration is going to make, what in my opinion is the wrong move, and decline. Also, FWIW, based on what the Big East seems to want to do (increase markets, keep the conference at 16 schools, etc) if Villanova does join I hope they invite TCU even if they demand to have all sports invited, and kick out DePaul (or Seton Hall) to keep basketball membership at 16. Doing that and adding 2 other schools (ECU, UCF, Houston) to bring basketball to 18 and football to 12 wouldn't be a bad move either.

                            Comment


                            • The MWC needs to get Huston.

                              Comment


                              • Twitter rumors saying TCU will join the Big East tomorrow.
                                #Chop


                                sig by BoneKrusher

                                Comment

                                Working...
                                X

                                Debug Information