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  • Well the Big East needs to get a like TCU to keep it's AQ Bid. If they don't the AQ Bid should get taken away.

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    • Originally posted by dannyz View Post
      Well the Big East needs to get a like TCU to keep it's AQ Bid. If they don't the AQ Bid should get taken away.
      Here's a little data just for hell of it:

      Edited since news has broke of Hawaii's extended offer to join the MWC

      Since the creation of the BCS in 1998, the Big East has had every team, with the exception of Rutgers and Syracuse, maintain a winning percentage at or above .500 with the top team in the Big East, West Virginia, maintain the highest winning percentage. South Florida and Connecticut, the two teams in the Big East that have upgraded their football teams to the FBS level in 2000, rank near the top of the Big East's ranking despite competing in the conference for only five and six years respectively.

      Here is the total win/loss percentage of each team and the conference as a whole since 1998:

      West Virginia 98-50, .662
      Louisville 97-53, .647
      South Florida 75-44, .630
      Connecticut 62-58, .567
      Cincinnati 83-65, .560
      Pittsburgh 81-65, .555
      Rutgers 64-79, .447
      Syracuse 61-82, .426
      Total: 621-496 (.556)

      Since the Big East is looking to expand here is what the two of the more likely schools (UCF, ECU) would do for the conference's winning percentage.

      East Carolina (74-73, .503)
      Central Florida (70-73, .489)
      Total: 765-615 (.554)

      The Big East's total winning percentage does not take that much of a hit by adding ECU or UCF but they would be adding two teams that are right in the middle between Pittsburgh and Rutgers winning percentages. In the long run, however, it would add to the overall competitiveness of the league, boost membership to a more manageable 10 teams, and should help solidify their BCS status.

      On the flip side is the Mountain West, the top non-AQ conference, and their bid in trying to create and automatic BCS bid. TCU leads the pack in winning percentage for the conference while Utah, who is leaving for the Pac-10 this year, comes in second. There is no doubt that the top half of the conference is strong with traditional power team like TCU, Utah, and BYU maintaining strong W-L records but what drags the conference down as a whole is the weak bottom half. Wyoming, UNLV, San Diego State, and New Mexico have deplorable W-L records which significantly brings down the conference's strength as a whole.

      Here is a look at the conference with Utah and without:

      TCU (108-38, .740)
      Utah (102-43, .702)
      BYU (98-53. .649)
      Air Force (86-60, .589)
      Colorado State (77-70., .524)
      New Mexico (66-80, .452)
      Wyoming (57-83, .407)
      UNLV (44-96, .314)
      San Diego State (50-91, .355)
      Total: 688-614, .528 (w/ Utah
      Total: 586-571 (.506) (w/o Utah)

      In their efforts to boost their strength due to the departures of Utah (to the Pac-10) and BYU (to football independence), the Mountain West have added the best non-AQ team (Boise State) along with two solid football programs in Fresno State and Nevada. Now news has been issued that the University of Hawaii has been extended an offer to join the MWC as a football-only school which brings in one of the strongest non-AQ programs out there. By adding those schools, especially Boise State, their conference winning percentage improves as a whole but still falls short of what the Big East's percentage is.

      Boise State (102-15, .872)
      TCU (108-38, .740)
      Air Force (86-60, .589)
      Fresno State (94-60, .584, since 2000)
      Hawaii (89-67, .570)
      Colorado State (77-70., .524)
      Nevada (59-64, .480, since 2000)*
      Wyoming (57-83, .407)
      UNLV (44-96, .314)
      San Diego State (50-91, .355)
      New Mexico (66-80, .452)
      Total: 832-724 (.535)

      Despite those gains by adding those four schools, it still does not best the Big East's winning percentage. If the best non-AQ schools in the non-AQ leagues wanted to ban together to create a "power" conference, then this is what it would look like for W-L records and winning percentages.

      Boise State (102-15, .872, since 2001)*
      TCU (108-38, .740)
      BYU (98-53. .649)
      Southern Miss (90-60, .600)
      Air Force (86-60, .589)
      Fresno State (94-60, .584, since 2000)
      Hawaii (89-67, .570)
      Colorado State (77-70., .524)
      Nevada (59-64, .480, since 2000)*
      Houston (70-76, .479, since 2000)
      Total: 873-563 (.608)

      That is a 10 team conference, however, if they would like to expand to 12 teams in order to gain the ever lucrative conference championship game then Tulsa and Southern Methodist would probably be the front runners. Southern Methodist would be added for the Dallas/Forth worth market value and because of their cross-town rivalry with TCU. Despite their lack of success since 1998 and beyond, the Mustangs are heading in the right direction now with June Jones as their head coach. While it lowers their overall winning percentage by adding them, it would hopefully help out in the long run. Tulsa was added because of the geographic fit and strength in football and basketball.

      Boise State (102-15, .872, since 2001)*
      TCU (108-38, .740)
      BYU (98-53. .649)
      Southern Miss (90-60, .600)
      Air Force (86-60, .589)
      Fresno State (94-60, .584, since 2000)
      Hawaii (89-67, .570)
      Colorado State (77-70., .524)
      Nevada (59-64, .480, since 2000)*
      Houston (70-76, .479, since 2000)
      Tulsa (68-80, .459)
      Southern Methodist (43-97, .307)
      Total: 984-740 (.571)

      A twelve team conference with those teams involved would look like such:

      East: Houston, SMU, Southern Miss, TCU, Tulsa, Air Force

      West: Boise State, BYU, Hawaii, Fresno State, Nevada, Colorado State

      Are these BCS conferences? That would remain to be seen, it would more than likely help if a name brand like BYU were to join such a conference as you would have marketable teams like the Cougars, TCU, and Boise State along with what could be a strong slew of games (TCU vs. Boise State, Boise State vs. BYU, Nevada vs. BYU, Fresno State vs. Boise State, Houston vs. TCU, etc...). Will this ever happen? That is doubtful but if it does they would more than likely be granted BCS status.
      Last edited by diabsoule; 11-18-2010, 11:28 PM.

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      • So for someone that has forgetten what happened..

        This all applies starting next season? Or in the 2012 season?

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        • Utah joins the Pac 10 next year and Nebraska joins the Big 10 next year. Boise State joins the MWC next year as well. Nevada and Fresno St. join the MWC in 2012, TCU joins the Big East in 2012, and Colorado joins the Pac-10 in 2012.

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          • There have been unconfirmed rumors/reports that Utah St. and the Mountain West are in discussions on adding them to the conference.

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            • UMass eyes move to join BC in FBS - BostonHerald.com

              UMass to the MAC......honestly though it would only be a matter of time before UMass was in the Big East.

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              • Originally posted by MassNole View Post
                UMass eyes move to join BC in FBS - BostonHerald.com

                UMass to the MAC......honestly though it would only be a matter of time before UMass was in the Big East.
                This means Villanova's FCS conference is falling apart, looks like they may have to move up to the Big East or downgrade their football program to a sub-D1 level.

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                • Originally posted by derza222 View Post
                  This means Villanova's FCS conference is falling apart, looks like they may have to move up to the Big East or downgrade their football program to a sub-D1 level.
                  CAA is taking a beating lately...Northeastern and Hofstra dropped football, UMass and Nova exploring FBS options, and Rhode Island and New Hampshire going to the Northeast for football. CAA is losing all of is New England schools.

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                  • Originally posted by devinhester=R.O.Y 2006 View Post
                    CAA is taking a beating lately...Northeastern and Hofstra dropped football, UMass and Nova exploring FBS options, and Rhode Island and New Hampshire going to the Northeast for football. CAA is losing all of is New England schools.
                    Yup, basically. This really leaves 'Nova with very few options. Move up, which I think they should but won't do, make a lateral move within the FCS (Patriot League with no scholarships?) which seems to be crumbling anyway, drop down to the NEC, or drop football completely again. I tend to think that given football runs everything in college athletics, you take the chance to move up to a BCS conference and run with it - but my gut says that won't happen. On the bright side for the Big East, UCF isn't bad and a conference with 18 teams and 10 football members works alright as far as numbers go. Houston would make a lot of sense too.

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                    • The WAC still clings to dear life as the Mountain West decides against inviting Utah State or San Jose State.


                      Nobody cares about your stupid fantasy team.

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                      • Does tv market really matter if there is basically no fan base...?

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                        • Originally posted by bearsfan_51 View Post
                          The WAC still clings to dear life as the Mountain West decides against inviting Utah State or San Jose State.
                          San Jose St's FB program made enough $ the last 3-4 yrs scheduling USC, Alabama, Wisconsin, Nebraska, etc. as the Visiting Cupcake opener they're revamping the Jeff Garcia Athletic Center & Spartan Stadium, a rare thing in these days of severe Cal St. system budget cutbacks, especially for SJ St. whose FB program was hanging on by its fingernails.

                          Not every big Pac 12 school can make enough $ from FB to pay for other varsity sports : it looks like Cal baseball will be the next victim of UC system cutbacks:

                          http://www.mercurynews.com/sports/ci...nclick_check=1
                          Last edited by LizardState; 02-14-2011, 10:48 AM.

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                          • Rumors are picking up that UMass will be invited to join the MAC. This could be a trial run for UMass considering the fact that if they do well then they would be a geographic fit for the Big East should they choose to expand to 12.

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                            • Originally posted by diabsoule View Post
                              Rumors are picking up that UMass will be invited to join the MAC. This could be a trial run for UMass considering the fact that if they do well then they would be a geographic fit for the Big East should they choose to expand to 12.
                              But they're already at 16 for basketball. I don't think the Big East can expand anymore without some kind of split.

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                              • Originally posted by GB12 View Post
                                But they're already at 16 for basketball. I don't think the Big East can expand anymore without some kind of split.
                                I think UMass would accept a football only invite. However, a football/basketball split is inevitable. I expect it to happen within the next couple of years especially if they experience greater success on the football field with TCU

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