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  • Originally posted by jrdrylie View Post
    If there are 4 super conferences, that is 64 teams. Right now, there are 66 BCS teams, so that means two are going to get screwed. TCU, Boise State, and UCF will likely get invites, which means at least five teams will get screwed, with Rutgers being one of them.
    I can easily see TCU being left out of the next wave of expansion especially if the ACC and Big East merge, like some predict. Only way they don't is if the Big East scoops up the remaining Big 12 members of K-State, Kansas, Iowa State, and Baylor.

    If the remaining Big East schools don't see that as a viable option and instead opt to merge with the ACC schools then I could see TCU forming their own conference with the remaining Big 12 members while inviting Boise State, BYU, Air Force, Nevada, Fresno State, Tulsa, Southern Miss, and Memphis to form a league that looks like this:

    TCU
    Kansas State
    Iowa State
    Kansas
    Baylor
    Southern Miss
    Houston
    Tulsa
    Air Force
    Boise State
    Nevada
    Fresno State

    If that happens and they want to keep the conference a little more contracted then any two of Memphis, UTEP, New Mexico, and Colorado State could be subbed for Nevada and Fresno State. Only reasons the Wolfpack and Bulldogs are mentioned is due to the competitive edge they offer over the other schools.
    Last edited by diabsoule; 08-30-2011, 02:21 PM.

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    • Originally posted by Smooth Criminal View Post
      Thats my problem with addin Rutgers. I'm much more worried about the Big Ten adding quality teams than the money they make. But of course, theyre biggest motivation is the money and exposure.

      I see Rutgers getting invited at some point, hopefully they'll use the jump to improve the programs and compete. Big Ten doesn't need any more bottom feeders.
      Rutgers has been improving very slowly the last 10 years. Last year was a huge bump in the road but we've come back strong recruiting wise. We're a consistent top 40 recruiting team the last few years and getting better so that should eventually translate onto the field. Also, if you look at our winning percentage the last 7-8 years it's not nearly as bad. Schiano had to rescue this program from a dumpster.
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      • Originally posted by Giantsfan1080 View Post
        Rutgers has been improving very slowly the last 10 years. Last year was a huge bump in the road but we've come back strong recruiting wise. We're a consistent top 40 recruiting team the last few years and getting better so that should eventually translate onto the field. Also, if you look at our winning percentage the last 7-8 years it's not nearly as bad. Schiano had to rescue this program from a dumpster.
        I've seen a lot of Rutgers living in Big East country. While improving, I dont think they'd fend well in the Big Ten at all. Unless they could use the jump to boost recruiting even higher, but theres no way to tell. It seems like its likely to happen, so I'll just have to hope they can bring something other than money to the Big Ten.

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        • Originally posted by Smooth Criminal View Post
          I've seen a lot of Rutgers living in Big East country. While improving, I dont think they'd fend well in the Big Ten at all. Unless they could use the jump to boost recruiting even higher, but theres no way to tell. It seems like its likely to happen, so I'll just have to hope they can bring something other than money to the Big Ten.
          Well the recruiting continually is getting better. We had a top 25 class last year and the talent we're bringing in this year is even better. We might get a top 5 player in the country which has never happened. I agree that right now we'd be a bottom of the barrel Big Ten team but in a few years we could easily be middle of the pack. Let's not forget that joining the Big Ten would also help out recruiting wise. Rutgers has a lot to offer besides money.
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          • people don't realize that Rutgers is on the cusp of becoming the greatest football powerhouse ever over the next 10 years.
            After our BCS bowl win this year, you'll see, YOU'LL ALL SEE

            but seriously, with Rutgers improvement over the last 10 years, they're coming ever so close to becoming a legit football school. Looking at our past win percentage is dumb, no offense Diab, because those 1 and 2 win teams in the 90's have nothing to do with the state of Rutgers right now.

            That, and just look at what happened when we had our good run a few years back, NYC jumped on Rutgers' back. They lit the Empire State building red for pete's sake.
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            • Originally posted by scottyboy View Post
              but seriously, with Rutgers improvement over the last 10 years, they're coming ever so close to becoming a legit football school. Looking at our past win percentage is dumb, no offense Diab, because those 1 and 2 win teams in the 90's have nothing to do with the state of Rutgers right now.

              How DARE those teams be compared to our 4-8 team last year that won 1 Big East game!


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              • Originally posted by Shane P. Hallam View Post
                How DARE those teams be compared to our 4-8 team last year that won 1 Big East game!
                LOL!

                Yes, please just take a sample from the mid-to-late 2000's. Ignore the other decades of football that Rutgers has played. Thanks!

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                • Well the program is in a completely different place now as compared to 10 years ago. It's night and day but we still have a long way to go. The foundation of a good program has been built but like I said earlier the results do need to show on the field more. Another problem was when we were awesome in 2006 a lot of people felt as if we had arrived but that was still more of an outlier. In the end Rutgers is not where it wants to be yet but it is slowly improving.
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                  • Those winning percentages are taken into account by the Big Ten. Recent moderate success is good but for a tradition steeped conference like the Big Ten they would rather invite schools that have a history of being contenders unless you can offer one of the biggest television markets in the country (like NYC).

                    If Rutgers were to play Ohio State, Nebraska, Michigan, Notre Dame, and Penn State on a yearly/semi-annual basis then it would help boost recruiting and the Scarlet Knights could become better. However, as it stands, from the time Rutgers started playing conference football until now, a 20 year window, they have been pitiful and would be the only school besides Indiana with a conference winning percentage in roughly the same time frame below 30%.

                    I used 1993 as the starting point for the Big Ten schools since that is the year Penn State joined.
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                    • Originally posted by diabsoule View Post
                      If Rutgers were to play Ohio State, Nebraska, Michigan, Notre Dame, and Penn State on a yearly/semi-annual basis then it would help boost recruiting and the Scarlet Knights could become better.
                      Getting embarrassed by those schools probably wouldn't help recruiting very much.


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                      • If Syracuse, Rutgers, Boston College, and Notre Dame are added to the Big Ten here is likely what the divisions would look like as they preserve every rivalry in one way or another (only the Land Grant Trophy between Michigan State and Penn State isn't preserved on an annual basis).

                        Each division breaks down to be mathematically even in terms of overall conference winning percentage.

                        Michigan .674
                        Notre Dame .610
                        Wisconsin .608
                        Boston College .538
                        Iowa .524
                        Michigan State .490
                        Minnesota .319
                        Rutgers .290
                        .507

                        Ohio State .788
                        Nebraska .669
                        Penn State .625
                        Syracuse .511
                        Purdue .462
                        Northwestern .431
                        Illinois .344
                        Indiana .236
                        .508

                        Permanent crossover rivalries:
                        Ohio State/Michigan, Purdue/Notre Dame, Michigan State/Indiana, Iowa/Nebraska, Penn State/Minnesota, Rutgers/Illinois, Boston College/Syracuse, Northwestern/Wisconsin

                        Just food for thought.

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                        • Originally posted by JoeJoeBrown View Post
                          LOL!

                          Yes, please just take a sample from the mid-to-late 2000's. Ignore the other decades of football that Rutgers has played. Thanks!
                          you're so right! because the record of Rutgers in the 80s and 90s plays such a HUGE factor into their upcoming season and future. how silly of me.

                          and come on Shane, everyone who watched Rutgers last year knew we were so horrendous due to Schiano's boner love for the Wildcat.

                          Granted, if we're playing OSU and PSU right now, we'd get beat fairly badly, but we're a young team who've been getting better and better recruiting classes by the year.
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                          • http://espn.go.com/college-sports/st...at-delays-move

                            A&M accepted, only a matter of time till they get around Baylor's legal stuff.

                            14th team to SEC attractive candidates listed as West Virginia, North Carolina, and Missouri. I get Missouri because of the Big 12 collapse, but I think theres much better options to steal out of the ACC than those choices.

                            http://www.sbnation.com/ncaa-footbal...tgers-swofford

                            Also, ACC denies reports that they're linked to UConn, Rutgers, Syracuse, and Texas. Now Texas obviously won't happen, but adding those other 3 schools plus one more could be possible for the ACC. Adds to the NE market, and brings in New York and New Jersey, while adding quality basketball programs. This article also says Virginia Tech is an SEC target.

                            Next month or so should be interesting. If the SEC doesn't have its 14th member by then it probably won't have them on time for the 2012 season. If the Big 12 teams want to make a move to another conference by next year that will also need to happen in the next month.

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                            • Isn't the SEC going to be to strong of a conference? I know the almighty dollars talk but some teams that are going to the SC now will probably never compete for a national title. It just seems like there is to much talent there.
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                              • Florida State and Virginia Tech are the most competitive teams that they could get. I don't mind the additions of Missouri (if that happens) and Texas A&M but WVU, North Carolina, NC State, etc. just don't do much as far as football is concerned. FSU & VTech could come in and compete immediately and stay competitive (hopefully).

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